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Post by beejmi on Aug 15, 2023 18:52:13 GMT
My 'subordinate' copies my boss and myself on everything. Nothing wrong with that technically but it's his way of 'going to my boss' and side-stepping me although he isn't really ........ that is the intention or it feels that way
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Post by cookie on Aug 15, 2023 19:41:09 GMT
Yeah he’s absolutely doing that, without directly doing it. What a shitty dude. Surely other people see it, right?
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Post by wittman2 on Aug 15, 2023 20:28:57 GMT
Honestly, depends on when he does it. Is he copying your boss in on every single email he sends to you? Or only "important" emails?
I work for a large company and I often copy in people's managers with them if it's important or a major issue- it ensures that the issue gets resolved and not forgotten about.
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Post by beejmi on Aug 15, 2023 20:31:50 GMT
I never see anything before my boss does
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Post by beejmi on Aug 15, 2023 22:12:23 GMT
Let me talk to ya (yeah)
If I was a board member or just looking outside the fish bowl I would say to myself 'That beejmi must lack leadership skills at work. He has a co-wprker that works around him all the time, has no respect for beejmi, etc'
Well, that really isn't the case. In my opinion at least. My performance reviews are excellent. Last year when in the middle of a salary issue (I got moved to a unit an hour away and they did not want to compensate me for additional travel, talked to their competitor (Philadelphia Inquirer) and was hired in less than a half hour, etc) had excellent referrals etc. And they panicked. Out came a 20% raise.
In my opinion this 'Steve' simply wants my job. He isn't qualified for it (would need at least 5 years experience as a District Manager he has 1.5 years experience and some pretty obvious flaws) but he doesn't see that it sees it as 'political BS' and has told this to people that report to me.
My brain says half the issue is my boss.
Example: lets say someone that reports to someone that I oversee runs to me or emails me about everything. Eventually I'm either emailing him back or calling him.
What would be said (below)
It isn't that you 'can't' do that just our structure works much smoother if you run things past Joe first. But if you're not getting the answers and support from Joe that you need, by all means, let me know.
Am I seeing it wrong?
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Post by beejmi on Aug 15, 2023 22:13:21 GMT
Honestly, depends on when he does it. Is he copying your boss in on every single email he sends to you? Or only "important" emails? Everything that goes to me he sends to my boss. |
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Post by wittman2 on Aug 16, 2023 15:59:47 GMT
If everything he sends to you goes to your boss, then he's definitely trying to undermine you
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Post by Kriss on Aug 16, 2023 19:16:25 GMT
Could just ask him why he's doing it. Try and sort ot out man to man. If he doesn't have a good answer, you can tell him to stop. Even if he does have a good answer, you can still tell him to stop. It's a reasonable request from your manager, so you can take disciplinary action against him if he keeps doing it.
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Post by beejmi on Aug 17, 2023 1:34:32 GMT
Thanks for the replys. Truly appreciated.
After beating myself up asking myself how I can do better,etc I reached the conclusion that it can’t be fixed
Can’t be fixed ?
I actually believe at this point there is mental illness involved
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Post by cookie on Aug 17, 2023 20:11:20 GMT
It’s his issue that’s unfortunately affecting you, and to me it sounds intentional. I do understand beating yourself up over it but at this point it’s all on him and for your sake (and sanity) you should have a discussion and put an end to it.
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Post by Quattro on Aug 20, 2023 0:49:11 GMT
Is he a millenial? Or Gen Z? They all want everything without working for shit or actually working. Fuck em
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Post by Quattro on Aug 20, 2023 0:50:32 GMT
You can catch him in the parking lot horseman style and break his wrist.
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Post by beejmi on Aug 28, 2023 11:36:22 GMT
Another question
Most of these issues are not 'documentable' but if there is a blowup every two weeks - I dunno - after a year-plus of it all ....
At what point does the employer say 'hey these two can't work together' and move someone. Seriously.
The company is absolutely inept at hiring, etc - I can see the fear of turnover written all over the boss' face
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Post by srossi on Aug 28, 2023 22:01:35 GMT
Another question Most of these issues are not 'documentable' but if there is a blowup every two weeks - I dunno - after a year-plus of it all .... At what point does the employer say 'hey these two can't work together' and move someone. Seriously. The company is absolutely inept at hiring, etc - I can see the fear of turnover written all over the boss' face Sounds like the inmates are running the asylum. Is your boss Tony Khan? |
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Post by beejmi on Aug 29, 2023 0:05:08 GMT
There's a constant 'lets throw some dirt on this' and hope it all works out. It isn't.
I hate to tell my boss that I believe there are 'mental illness' issues as that will only extend the rope that Steve has
I have asked my boss the question if anyone else knows how long and to what extent this has been going on and added that a 'third party' opinion and monitoring might be beneficial.
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