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Post by gregoliver on Jun 16, 2023 20:18:20 GMT
I really hope that when Greg Oliver did his sitdown interview with Mike Johnson, he asked why Mike doesn't write emails to himself but Dave does..... I made a couple of cracks about Dave S. but Mike J. never took the bait.
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Post by Superstar on Jun 16, 2023 21:26:52 GMT
I really hope that when Greg Oliver did his sitdown interview with Mike Johnson, he asked why Mike doesn't write emails to himself but Dave does..... I made a couple of cracks about Dave S. but Mike J. never took the bait. Awesome!
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Post by srossi on Jun 16, 2023 23:00:46 GMT
I made a couple of cracks about Dave S. but Mike J. never took the bait. Awesome! Mike is a very stoic and laid back guy, and he’s loyal to Scherer even though I don’t know why. I’m not surprised.
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Post by paulsosn on Jun 18, 2023 15:55:44 GMT
THE YOUNG BUCKS DON’T DESERVE THE STROKE THAT TONY KHAN GIVES THEM, HOW CAN EVPS REFUSE TO TALK TO A TOP STAR, PEOPLE WHO KEEP REPORTING LIES AND MORE By Dave Scherer on 2023-06-18 10:00:00 You can send us questions for the PWInsider.com Q and A at pwinsider@gmail.com.
The Elite once again tanked in the main event of Dynamite. When will Tony Khan learn that only the most hardcore of his fanbase like those guys and that a good chunk of the rest of the audience turn them off? Why does he think they are so important when the numbers show that they aren’t?
On the June 14 edition of Dynamite, the show opened with 918,000 viewers. It was the highest viewed segment of the show. By the end of the night, the last quarter hour did 699,000 viewers for The Elite vs. The Blackpool Combat Club. That is a loss of 219,000 viewers, a drop of 24% of the audience. It’s not the first time that The Bucks in the main event have lost over 200,000 viewers. It’s happened a number of times. I guess one could make the case that blame falls on the BCC as well, but the ratings trends that I have seen with the BCC in the final segment wouldn’t bear that out. Tony Khan is supposed to be an analytics guy and there is enough data there to establish a pattern. Unless he has suddenly forgotten how to do math, he knows the situation. With that said, I think it’s fair to say that there is a decent percentage of the AEW audience he don’t want to see The Elite wrestle. When 20 percent of the audience turns off your match, there is a message being sent. Why Tony doesn’t get that message? I can’t say.
First it was CM Punk got Colt Cabana fired. Then it was the mega TV deal that was never going to actually happen. Now it’s the CM Punk interview that upset the locker room where nothing upsetting was said. I have two questions. One, when are the sap reporters who keep getting worked with fake stories going to start actually doing their job and stop being gossip whores?
My gut feeling is that if they are still being clown hacks at this point, they like spreading disinformation and doing the dirty work for their friend sources and won’t become reputable any time soon. The fact that they never do mea culpas when they are repeatedly wrong tells me that they are clearly fine lying to their readers. They are an embarrassment to my profession.
The second question is a more serious one. When will Tony Khan finally grow a set and start reigning in the people that work for him that leak garbage to the media and continually make AEW like like a circus?
Much like the first question, I don’t think he ever will. He either likes the chaos that makes AEW look bad to people who aren’t its fans, or he at worst doesn’t mind it. At the end of the day, it just reflects poorly on AEW. We never hear about this kind of childish garbage from WWE workers. That company is run professionally. Tony Khan should take a page out of their book. The wrestlers who do the stuff like leak lies to poor journalists are not his friends. They think he’s a mark and they are taking advantage of him.
Do you think that The Young Bucks proved that they are a big part of the backstage problem if they, as CM Punk asserted, refused to talk to him and referred him to their lawyer?
Unless they have litigation pending against Punk, I see no reason for them to refer Punk to their lawyer. If they do, then I understand it. I am not aware of any litigation. So yes, I think Matt and Nick are acting like children here. Punk was right to call them that, just not in the venue that he chose to do it.
How can The Young Bucks be EVPs of AEW if they refuse to speak with one of the company’s stars?
They can be EVPs because Tony Khan wants them to be. To me, they should have lost their Titles when they went into Punk’s dressing room uninvited and put the company in an actionable situation. And, if Punk were an EVP he too should have been stripped for his actions as well.
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Post by srossi on Jun 18, 2023 16:25:03 GMT
I don’t read enough to know anymore, but do “fans” ever submit questions about WWE, or is it always about AEW and how Meltzer is an awful reporter now? I mean WWE is still the #1 company, you’d think Scherer, I mean “fans”, would write questions about them as often if not more often.
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Post by Kriss on Jun 18, 2023 16:44:54 GMT
I don’t read enough to know anymore, but do “fans” ever submit questions about WWE, or is it always about AEW and how Meltzer is an awful reporter now? I mean WWE is still the #1 company, you’d think Scherer, I mean “fans”, would write questions about them as often if not more often. Scherer writes some Q&As that seem completely normal, and all Mike Johnson's ones do. Scherer doesn't seem to ever mix the normal questions into the same page as the fake questions.
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Post by Superstar on Jun 19, 2023 17:44:05 GMT
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Post by Kriss on Jun 19, 2023 18:43:51 GMT
I'm gonna guess that some of this is that PWInsider isn't doing as well as it was, or as well as Scherer thinks it should be, and he's shaking his fists at the clouds because people who he perceives as lesser "journalists" are pulling in money with stories and opinions that he thinks are biased or incorrect. I'm surprised they're still in business. The PWInsider website hasn't changed since they started in 2004, and even then it was pretty much the same as the 1wrestling website, so apart from adding a paywall, they haven't changed anything in 25+ years. The Observer have their YouTube channel, so you can get a taste of what lies behind the paywall, and whatever your opinion on Meltzer, the newsletter archives have value to people interested in wrestling history. The younger guys in this game have a much better idea of how to monetize themselves on the internet in 2023. One thing that stands out. I know what Dave Meltzer, Bryan Alvarez, Sean Ross Sapp, Brandon Thurston, John Pollock, Wai Ting, Denise Salcedo and others look like. I have no idea what Dave Scherer and Mike Johnson look like. Time has passed poor Dave Scherer by and he's not coping well.
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Post by paulsosn on Jun 19, 2023 19:25:06 GMT
It's probably better to just post the whole thing instead of encouraging clicks to their site
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YOU WILL NEVER BELIEVE WHAT I JUST HEARD! By Dave Scherer on 2023-06-19 12:24:00
I am hearing WWE will be sold to the Saudis!
I am hearing that CM Punk got Colt Cabana fired!
am hearing AEW will get a new TV deal worth more than a billion dollars!
I am hearing that a lot of people in the AEW locker room are really upset with what will be said in the ESPN interview coming out on Friday!
These are just a few of the non-stories that have been reported recently by various members of the wrestling media. Obviously, there was nothing to the first three stories and while I am sure there are some people in the AEW locker room who were upset that CM Punk was interviewed by ESPN (hence their refusal to comment for the piece), is that really a news story? Guys that don’t like each other still don’t like each other? STOP THE PRESSES!
As these kinds of reports (I can’t call them stories because that would be giving them too much credit) keep finding their way into the wrestling universe, WWE and otherwise, being the curious type that I am, I started wondering why they happen in the first place. What are the motivations of people who release these kinds of reports?
The most innocent reason is that mistakes happen. No one is perfect, not even Mike Johnson and certainly not me. Every credible outlet that reports something erroneous will then do a mea culpa, and they will do it in an upfront way. They won’t bury it in a backdated article or do a “Yeah, but” to try and minimize their mistake. They will own it. So, why else does it happen?
Obviously, one major reason people do it is to get clicks on their website, podcast, whatever. If I am being honest, in this specific instance you could make the case that I am doing the same thing here with my headline and I would not argue with you. But, I could at least make the argument that the subject matter of that the headline was covered in the story in a factual way. In the case of the first three items above, that clearly was not the case as all three of them were not true in any way, shape or form. As bad as clickbaiting is, to me the bigger issue is the agenda of the reporter, and that leads to the ESPN story.
Obviously, we all have our likes and dislikes. We are all human. I think The Bloodline storyline is the best creative in wrestling while you may feel it’s The BCC vs. The Elite. From an opinion standpoint there’s no right or wrong there. But from a business standpoint? You can’t make the argument that the latter is better when the numbers tell the accurate story. To say that BCC-Elite is the best from a business standpoint is a lie. Period.
I think we are at a point in time where too many reporters are letting what they personally like affect what they “report”. Full disclosure, I prefer watching CM Punk over The Elite. With that said, I would never, ever sit here and act as if Punk wasn’t 100 percent completely out of line for blowing up at the press conference the way he did. He was 100 percent in the wrong for doing what he did, when he did it. The problem I see is that people who prefer The Elite to Punk don’t tell the whole story, such as someone feeding fake news to gullible sources that even Hangman Page believed and that precipitated the blow up, putting the blame on everyone and telling the story. When that doesn’t happen, biased headlines come to pass
As I said above, of course Hangman Page, The Young Bucks and Kenny Omega weren’t happy Punk got interviewed. They said no comment when asked to speak for the piece. But is them being unhappy really a story? Especially when the actually story would make it clear that they wouldn’t comment and hence weren’t happy about it?
I have been sent clips of some reporters saying, “The locker room doesn’t want Punk back”. That led to AEW wrestlers publicly stating that they like Punk. Then the narrative turned into, “The top talent doesn’t want Punk back”. That led to top wrestlers saying that they do want him back. Today, I was sent a clip where one person who stated that fourth item above defended his statement, even though he acknowledged that he didn’t know what Punk actually said. He also said, and I quote, “Everyone loves the Bucks” in AEW.
Just like no one wanted Punk was a false statement, so was saying everyone in AEW loves The Bucks. Any reporter with sources knows at least one AEW wrestler who does not love The Bucks. When that kind of bias is shown it galls me, not because it’s completely unprofessional (which it is of course), but because it’s clear as day what the intention of the person making the statement is. In the case of a statement like these, I also question why they were made in the first place? They aren’t true, so what’s the end goal? Is it to keep a source happy? Is it to smear someone that the reporter doesn’t like? Is it both? Whatever the case, they say what they say and the repeater site runs with since they can cite the original source, no matter how incorrect that source is, and get some clicks. And then, the muck is primed to be raked.
Now obviously I will look at this situation much differently than most people. For the average fan, they read the rumors and either laugh at their audacity or blindly believe them until they are proven false. Hell, there are people in my profession that do the latter. But for someone like me, who takes what we do here very seriously, facts matter. Truth matters. Fairness matters. Multiply sourcing a story matters, In every report listed about above, at least one of the those items were violated. People who do this job have a duty to the consumer to do everything within our power to confirm news before we report it as such. My hope is that the people in my industry that aren’t doing that now will have a change of heart and set their standards higher. If that happens, I can’t wait to do my next “you’ll never believe what I heard” op-ed.
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Post by paulsosn on Jun 19, 2023 19:29:29 GMT
And I don't think it matters if this was a press release or not, the House of Glory show was on Friday June 16th, not "LAST NIGHT"
HIROSHI TANAHASHI HEADING TO HOUSE OF GLORY IN NYC, CAGE MATCH SET FOR AUGUST AND MORE By Mike Johnson on 2023-06-19 08:20:00 House of Glory announced the following:
House of Glory returned last night in front of a PACKED house live from the NYC Arena for Plata O Plomo.
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Post by srossi on Jun 19, 2023 22:50:59 GMT
I'm gonna guess that some of this is that PWInsider isn't doing as well as it was, or as well as Scherer thinks it should be, and he's shaking his fists at the clouds because people who he perceives as lesser "journalists" are pulling in money with stories and opinions that he thinks are biased I was basically coming here to say this. Meltzer has made a fortune doing this over the decades and now some of the newer names seem to be monetizing it pretty well. I don’t know what the audience for PWInsider is anymore. Everyone knows that I used to link to them daily on these boards. Now I get my info from so many other sources. In fact, PWInsider never even reports on half the stuff I find elsewhere. Part of that is due to Scherer’s strange ethics about not reporting on personal issues, even when the wrestlers themselves post about it. If you’re into backstage gossip, all you really have to do is follow a bunch of wrestlers on Twitter, at least outside of WWE, and they’re sharing all sorts of drama that PWInsider won’t touch. Sometimes rumors are just fun. Even in baseball and “real sports”, people want to hear the trade rumors even if they’ll never actually happen. Scherer has become a pompous ass and takes himself even more seriously than Meltzer, without the zeroes in his bank account. My point is, if PWInsider lost me, I can’t imagine what their clicks look like these days. Too many other sources of info that aren’t bitter and political to deal with this asshole. Poor Mike Johnson. I guess it’s his own fault for not reining him in though.
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Post by srossi on Jun 20, 2023 17:10:16 GMT
It gets more comical. Scherer is now channeling Crimson Mask.
Q: I take it you don’t like the work of The Young Bucks. I am not a big fan of theirs either. I was wondering why you felt the way you do, if you do.
A: I generally do not like the AEW work of The Bucks, you are correct (and I am talking about their wrestling, not any backstage stuff here, just the wrestling). I am someone who has been in his share of fights in my life and my favorite kind of wrestling match is when it looks like two people are actually fighting, or at least competing. I find The Bucks to be extremely unrealistic, in a few ways. For one thing, they wrestle like they are super heavyweights, and that just doesn’t work for me when I know they are small guys who couldn’t really do the stuff that they do in a fight. A lot of the spots they do are super contrived, so I can’t believe I am watching a competition. I know that I am watching a performance. I also don’t like that they don’t sell much of anything. I get that a lot of people love them for those exact reasons and that’s awesome for them. They get a lot of action and performance in Bucks matches. It just doesn’t appeal to me. With that said, I have seen them have traditional matches where they are cognizant of their size and actually sell, like with FTR, and I enjoy those bouts.
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Post by Superstar on Jun 20, 2023 17:57:43 GMT
It gets more comical. Scherer is now channeling Crimson Mask. Q: I take it you don’t like the work of The Young Bucks. I am not a big fan of theirs either. I was wondering why you felt the way you do, if you do. A: I generally do not like the AEW work of The Bucks, you are correct (and I am talking about their wrestling, not any backstage stuff here, just the wrestling). I am someone who has been in his share of fights in my life and my favorite kind of wrestling match is when it looks like two people are actually fighting, or at least competing. I find The Bucks to be extremely unrealistic, in a few ways. For one thing, they wrestle like they are super heavyweights, and that just doesn’t work for me when I know they are small guys who couldn’t really do the stuff that they do in a fight. A lot of the spots they do are super contrived, so I can’t believe I am watching a competition. I know that I am watching a performance. I also don’t like that they don’t sell much of anything. I get that a lot of people love them for those exact reasons and that’s awesome for them. They get a lot of action and performance in Bucks matches. It just doesn’t appeal to me. With that said, I have seen them have traditional matches where they are cognizant of their size and actually sell, like with FTR, and I enjoy those bouts. Ric Flair is a consensus top-5 wrestler of all time, pretty much everybody in and out of the business believes that. So Scherer saying that he has been in fights (LOL) and the Bucks are extremely unrealistic, but he never once called out Flair for the Flair Flop, the off the top rope failures for 15 straight years, etc. etc that are just as unrealistic. I hate the Young Bucks much in the same way that Scherer does...I don't mind them on the mic, I think they can go toe to toe on the mic with any tag team. The Youtube series is not bad, and at times is really good. But once they get in the ring, it's flat. You cannot set up spots that take two minutes to set up only to go off in two seconds. Everything should be fluid. And they don't sell anywhere near enough, much like their king Kenny Omega. And they did more to ruin the superkick than any thigh slap over two decades. In the '80s, Chris Adams would kick your fucking head off. Now? It's a damn joke.
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Post by srossi on Jun 20, 2023 18:02:53 GMT
It gets more comical. Scherer is now channeling Crimson Mask. Q: I take it you don’t like the work of The Young Bucks. I am not a big fan of theirs either. I was wondering why you felt the way you do, if you do. A: I generally do not like the AEW work of The Bucks, you are correct (and I am talking about their wrestling, not any backstage stuff here, just the wrestling). I am someone who has been in his share of fights in my life and my favorite kind of wrestling match is when it looks like two people are actually fighting, or at least competing. I find The Bucks to be extremely unrealistic, in a few ways. For one thing, they wrestle like they are super heavyweights, and that just doesn’t work for me when I know they are small guys who couldn’t really do the stuff that they do in a fight. A lot of the spots they do are super contrived, so I can’t believe I am watching a competition. I know that I am watching a performance. I also don’t like that they don’t sell much of anything. I get that a lot of people love them for those exact reasons and that’s awesome for them. They get a lot of action and performance in Bucks matches. It just doesn’t appeal to me. With that said, I have seen them have traditional matches where they are cognizant of their size and actually sell, like with FTR, and I enjoy those bouts. Ric Flair is a consensus top-5 wrestler of all time, pretty much everybody in and out of the business believes that. So Scherer saying that he has been in fights (LOL) and the Bucks are extremely unrealistic, but he never once called out Flair for the Flair Flop, the off the top rope failures for 15 straight years, etc. etc that are just as unrealistic. I hate the Young Bucks much in the same way that Scherer does...I don't mind them on the mic, I think they can go toe to toe on the mic with any tag team. The Youtube series is not bad, and at times is really good. But once they get in the ring, it's flat. You cannot set up spots that take two minutes to set up only to go off in two seconds. Everything should be fluid. And they don't sell anywhere near enough, much like their king Kenny Omega. And they did more to ruin the superkick than any thigh slap over two decades. In the '80s, Chris Adams would kick your fucking head off. Now? It's a damn joke. Scherer's favorite angle is The Bloodline (as is mine), but show some fucking consistency. The Usos have stolen so much from the Bucks that pre-AEW, Michael Cole was literally calling "superkick parties" during their matches as a shout out to the Bucks. Essentially, The Usos are to the Bucks as the Hardys are to Sabu & RVD. One couldn't even exist without the other coming first. The Usos before the they started stealing from the Bucks were barely on TV. Criticize equally. I can't think of too many matches the past 30 years that look anything like "real fights". And to point out that's he personally a street fighting machine instead of just saying he wants more realism, Jesus Christ, the douchebaggery is on another level now with this guy.
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Post by paulsosn on Jun 20, 2023 19:13:39 GMT
OMG, you totally missed the best part, SRossi!!!!
I read a site where a writer obviously makes up fake reader questions so he can further his agenda against certain wrestlers and other wrestling reporters. My question is what do you think is more embarrassing: doing that and not thinking anyone notices, or CM Punk still whining about a shot taken at him during a promo and a stiff chop a year after they happened, yet dismissing his own behavior as "sh*t happens" when it comes to assaulting his co-workers?
Hmm, I will have to go with neither since I don’t know the writer that you are referring to and what you said about Punk isn’t true.
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