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Post by WongLee on Apr 3, 2024 12:25:45 GMT
Well, more than 91 I guess DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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Post by Michael Abrams on Apr 3, 2024 13:56:33 GMT
Couldn't help myself
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Post by Sexy Tom on Apr 3, 2024 14:51:54 GMT
Weren't 6 of those 91 dropped in the Fatti Willis case?
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Post by Franchise on Apr 3, 2024 15:31:38 GMT
The bootlicking is a result of Movies / TV / MSN pushing an agenda on the masses. Kids grow up being told police officers / fire fighters / soldiers are hero's. Some people never believe these things, some make up their own mind and some say ok and never challenge the notion.
Instant news and social media polarize the never believe group and never challenge group and pit them against each other.
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Post by srossi on Apr 3, 2024 15:39:51 GMT
The bootlicking is a result of Movies / TV / MSM pushing an agenda on the masses. Kids grow up being told police officers / fire fighters / soldiers are hero's. Some people never believe these things, some make up their own mind and some say ok and never challenge the notion. I think that changed a few decades ago though, long enough for a new generation to no longer be brainwashed. Many TV shows and movies have portrayed cops as corrupt or at least regular people with all the foibles that go along with it. "Serpico" started it all and that was a true story which made it even more compelling. "NYPD Blue" was a big early one on TV. The cops weren't all bad per se, but they had a lot of problems and the main character was an alcoholic and a bully who frequented prostitutes (with the proverbial heart of gold of course). Then you jump to "The Shield" and it's just outright mafia behavior from all the cops. There are plenty of others that probably show cops in a better light (I've never watched a single episode, but I presume "Law & Order" and "Blue Bloods" offer positive portrayals). So maybe it's mixed at best. Funny that so-called "liberal Hollywood" is very hesitant to go all in on what cops really are.
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Post by Franchise on Apr 3, 2024 15:48:20 GMT
I think liberal Hollywood toes the line because they want to outsource their personal protection when needed.
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Post by khawk on Apr 3, 2024 15:54:22 GMT
Hill street blues had its share of corrupt cops too, and also portrayed their cops as fallible human beings on and off the job.
Law and order criminal intent at least had its share of corrupt cops as well.
NYPD blue had fallible and corrupt cops and portrayed a fairly corrupt system through its whole run. It’s a high end example.
All of those shows are old…I have no idea about current cop shows. Pendulum has perhaps swept the other way? Rah rah go cops? No idea in terms of regular tv.
Exception (that I know of): true detective on hbo.
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Post by srossi on Apr 3, 2024 15:57:21 GMT
Hill street blues had its share of corrupt cops too, and also portrayed their cops as fallible human beings on and off the job. "Hill Street Blues" is a bit before my time, but it's basically the forerunner of "NYPD Blue", both Steven Bochco productions. You have to take it in context, I'm not sure if it holds up today, but at the time it was basically an elite streaming show in a sea of nothing but network garbage where everything wraps up nicely with a bow at the end of every episode. It was mind-blowing, no one had ever seen anything like it before.
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Post by Sexy Tom on Apr 3, 2024 16:02:23 GMT
The bootlicking is a result of Movies / TV / MSM pushing an agenda on the masses. Kids grow up being told police officers / fire fighters / soldiers are hero's. Some people never believe these things, some make up their own mind and some say ok and never challenge the notion. I think that changed a few decades ago though, long enough for a new generation to no longer be brainwashed. Many TV shows and movies have portrayed cops as corrupt or at least regular people with all the foibles that go along with it. "Serpico" started it all and that was a true story which made it even more compelling. "NYPD Blue" was a big early one on TV. The cops weren't all bad per se, but they had a lot of problems and the main character was an alcoholic and a bully who frequented prostitutes (with the proverbial heart of gold of course). Then you jump to "The Shield" and it's just outright mafia behavior from all the cops. There are plenty of others that probably show cops in a better light (I've never watched a single episode, but I presume "Law & Order" and "Blue Bloods" offer positive portrayals). So maybe it's mixed at best. Funny that so-called "liberal Hollywood" is very hesitant to go all in on what cops really are. Great assessment of NYPD Blue and The Shield. I'd say the first cop show that was pretty grey was Hill Street Blues. The characters on that show were pretty good. It showed that some of them were screw up in their personal lives. Sorry for maybe getting the thread a bit off track, but David Caruso screwed up by quitting NYPD to pursue the big screen. That whole show revolved around him. He wasn't above breaking the rules to get the job done, He had Sipowicz as a partner, he was mentoring Martinez, and he had the divorce and current girlfriend.
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Post by Sexy Tom on Apr 3, 2024 16:04:37 GMT
Hill street blues had its share of corrupt cops too, and also portrayed their cops as fallible human beings on and off the job. Law and order criminal intent at least had its share of corrupt cops as well. NYPD blue had fallible and corrupt cops and portrayed a fairly corrupt system through its whole run. It’s a high end example. All of those shows are old…I have no idea about current cop shows. Pendulum has perhaps swept the other way? Rah rah go cops? No idea in terms of regular tv. Exception (that I know of): true detective on hbo. JD Larue was such a great character. He was a drunk and somewhat shifty, but he did have a conscience.
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Post by srossi on Apr 3, 2024 16:19:58 GMT
I think that changed a few decades ago though, long enough for a new generation to no longer be brainwashed. Many TV shows and movies have portrayed cops as corrupt or at least regular people with all the foibles that go along with it. "Serpico" started it all and that was a true story which made it even more compelling. "NYPD Blue" was a big early one on TV. The cops weren't all bad per se, but they had a lot of problems and the main character was an alcoholic and a bully who frequented prostitutes (with the proverbial heart of gold of course). Then you jump to "The Shield" and it's just outright mafia behavior from all the cops. There are plenty of others that probably show cops in a better light (I've never watched a single episode, but I presume "Law & Order" and "Blue Bloods" offer positive portrayals). So maybe it's mixed at best. Funny that so-called "liberal Hollywood" is very hesitant to go all in on what cops really are. Great assessment of NYPD Blue and The Shield. I'd say the first cop show that was pretty grey was Hill Street Blues. The characters on that show were pretty good. It showed that some of them were screw up in their personal lives. Sorry for maybe getting the thread a bit off track, but David Caruso screwed up by quitting NYPD to pursue the big screen. That whole show revolved around him. He wasn't above breaking the rules to get the job done, He had Sipowicz as a partner, he was mentoring Martinez, and he had the divorce and current girlfriend. David Caruso takes the cake for the maybe the biggest fuck-up in TV history. After a couple of bombs, he wound up right back on TV, except with less successful shows. I though Sipowicz was the best part of the show, but there was something about them together that worked. I like Jimmy Smits more than Caruso, but it wasn't the same with him, and then he left too. On another note, the actor who played Sipowicz had the most hardline retirement after a successful show ever. That last episode of "NYPD Blue" was the last time he ever acted. He just walked away and never worked again. I'm sure he turned down a bunch of offers. He turned 65 and was just done. As far as I know, he's still alive and well.
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Post by srossi on Apr 3, 2024 16:31:23 GMT
Hill street blues had its share of corrupt cops too, and also portrayed their cops as fallible human beings on and off the job. Law and order criminal intent at least had its share of corrupt cops as well. NYPD blue had fallible and corrupt cops and portrayed a fairly corrupt system through its whole run. It’s a high end example. All of those shows are old…I have no idea about current cop shows. Pendulum has perhaps swept the other way? Rah rah go cops? No idea in terms of regular tv. Exception (that I know of): true detective on hbo. JD Larue was such a great character. He was a drunk and somewhat shifty, but he did have a conscience. Random fact: the actor who played JD Larue was married to the daughter of Dean Martin. He died very young from cancer though.
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Post by Sexy Tom on Apr 3, 2024 16:34:13 GMT
Great assessment of NYPD Blue and The Shield. I'd say the first cop show that was pretty grey was Hill Street Blues. The characters on that show were pretty good. It showed that some of them were screw up in their personal lives. Sorry for maybe getting the thread a bit off track, but David Caruso screwed up by quitting NYPD to pursue the big screen. That whole show revolved around him. He wasn't above breaking the rules to get the job done, He had Sipowicz as a partner, he was mentoring Martinez, and he had the divorce and current girlfriend. David Caruso takes the cake for the maybe the biggest fuck-up in TV history. After a couple of bombs, he wound up right back on TV, except with less successful shows. I though Sipowicz was the best part of the show, but there was something about them together that worked. I like Jimmy Smits more than Caruso, but it wasn't the same with him, and then he left too. On another note, the actor who played Sipowicz had the most hardline retirement after a successful show ever. That last episode of "NYPD Blue" was the last time he ever acted. He just walked away and never worked again. I'm sure he turned down a bunch of offers. He turned 65 and was just done. As far as I know, he's still alive and well. I agree with Caruso. He was the poster boy for not quitting your day job. I also loved the chemistry with him and Sipowicz. He was the only one who was able to reign him in. Dennis Franz, who played Sipowicz, played two different roles in Hill Street Blues. He was Officer Sal Bennadetto. Bennadetto was a rogue corrupt cop who got busted and ended up eating his gun. He did such a great job that they brought him back as Officer Buntz. Buntz was a tough street smart cop. Before Caruso, Ed Marinaro screwed up by quitting Hill Street Blues to join the big screen. His character was nowhere close to Caruso's but he played a decent role as Officer Coffee.
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Post by srossi on Apr 3, 2024 17:53:32 GMT
To get back on track, I'll answer the original question. I think it's because the far left really fucked up with their messaging behind the "defund the police" movement. There was a window where everyone was open to police reform because even some on the right were seeing how bad the cops were, and they blew it. Some of the ideas were fine, but first of all the name was never going to fly. 99% of this country never wants to defund everything, including blacks in inner-city neighborhoods, so the smallest degree of knowing your audience and knowing how to brand would've done wonders. Then the good ideas got co-opted by Marxists like BLM and everything else does and became something unrecognizable. And making it all about race was retarded, more innocent whites than blacks are killed by cops and some of the worst cops are black and hispanic. So the right goes even more far right to combat that, and many in the middle who kept hearing stories about rising crime went in that direction too, and then the left digs in deeper and becomes even more extreme, and *presto chango* you get high levels of bootlicking that has become hero worship again. I think that's the correct answer. Normal Clinton-type policy wonk liberals may have been able to get some real change, but these radical lefties destroy anything they touch even when they start out on the right path. Now we're at a point where you have to choose between authoritarian corrupt cops or the complete chaos of the "autonomous zones" of places like Capitol Hill. Everything gets polarized to the extremes.
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Post by Michael Abrams on Apr 3, 2024 18:16:23 GMT
Weren't 6 of those 91 dropped in the Fatti Willis case? Apr 2, 2024 10:32:18 GMT -7 Michael Abrams said: Correction/update: Well, more than 85 I guess
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