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Post by Kriss on Dec 10, 2022 13:59:28 GMT
Posted: Sun Aug 15th, 2021 05:14 am PM Quote Reply 1501st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: So how did the taping work last night? Did they tape Dark or Elevation before? Matches for next week's Rampage? They didn't do all that for one hour. They taped Elevation before Dynamite on Wednesday and Dark before Rampage last night. Next week's Rampage? I'll let you think on that one! LOL I meant content for it, not the whole thing. Is Rampage supposed to be live every week or just at the beginning? Keeping a crowd hot for 1 good hour when they have to sit through 2+ hours of jobber matches can't be easy. They've said it will be taped after Dynamite some weeks. They also said that Dark will sometimes be filmed somewhere else because they can't do four shows on a Wednesday night, but they haven't said where that is yet. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Aug 15th, 2021 10:16 am PM Quote Reply 1502nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Kenny Omega defeated Andrade to retain the AAA Mega Title. The surprise of the match was Ric Flair appearing as Andrade's manager. Andrade was supposed to be managed by Konnan, but Andrade told him he had someone else. Konnan then came out with Omega. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Aug 15th, 2021 07:41 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1503rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Hiroshi Tanahashi also beat Lance Archer yesterday for the IWGP U.S. title, setting up a title match against Jon Moxley in AEW soon. Other Fordidden Door matches on the show, which were heavily promoted on Impact: - Tomohiro Ishii beat Moose - The Good Brothers beat Jon Moxley and Yuji Nagata (afterwards the winners were confronted by Guerillas of Destiny to set up that math) - Jay White retained the NEVER Openweight title against David Finlay (afterwards White said he was “the real belt collector” to continue to tease a match with Omega) ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Aug 15th, 2021 07:49 pm PM Quote Reply 1504th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Kenny Omega defeated Andrade to retain the AAA Mega Title. The surprise of the match was Ric Flair appearing as Andrade's manager. Andrade was supposed to be managed by Konnan, but Andrade told him he had someone else. Konnan then came out with Omega. According to Meltzer, Andrade was going to win the title until it was decided that Christian was going to beat him on Rampage. AEW have a veto over finishes for Omega and didn't want him losing twice in two days. All this chaos because Hangman Page wants time off when his kid is born. Last edited on Sun Aug 15th, 2021 07:50 pm by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Aug 15th, 2021 09:25 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1505th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Here it is, Flair chopping Omega and putting the figure-four on Konnan. That’s something you never thought you’d see. <A HREF="https://twitter.com/ricflairnatrboy/status/1426948733619642378?s=21" TARGET="_blank"> ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Aug 15th, 2021 09:43 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1506th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Here it is, Flair chopping Omega and putting the figure-four on Konnan. That’s something you never thought you’d see. <A HREF="https://twitter.com/ricflairnatrboy/status/1426948733619642378?s=21" TARGET="_blank"> And yes, Charlotte went down to Mexico too. Attached Image (viewed 43 times): B160A496-7403-4E92-B15D-7CADC796BE85.jpeg ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Aug 15th, 2021 10:21 pm PM Quote Reply 1507th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Snakeskin boots and double denim. Classy lady. Last edited on Sun Aug 15th, 2021 10:21 pm by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Aug 15th, 2021 11:31 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1508th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Last night CM Punk did guest commentary on a CFFC MMA show and he and his partner John Morgan had this exchange, which clearly seemed pre-planned: Morgan: “Like in the first round, Hoffman is just returning to his wrestling. You know what I’m saying, Punk? Returning to his wrestling.” Punk: “Yeah, he’s looking all elite, right now.” Morgan: “Punches being thrown and inside jokes being thrown all over the place!” Punk: “You gotta watch out for those inside jokes.” ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 02:00 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1509th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: On Renee Young’s podcast, Jungle Boy revealed that he’s tapping that with Anna Jay of the Dark Order. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 08:02 am PM Quote Reply 1510th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Charlotte Flair was advertised to be wrestling in Charlotte, NC (and had been for weeks). Instead she was in Mexico, while the fans in her hometown were chanting "We want Charlotte." That's WCW levels of incompetence. Last edited on Mon Aug 16th, 2021 08:02 am by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 08:11 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1511th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Charlotte Flair was advertised to be wrestling in Charlotte, NC (and had been for weeks). Instead she was in Mexico, while the fans in her hometown were chanting "We want Charlotte." That's WCW levels of incompetence. The fact that Vince would give her the night off to be with her boyfriend for a big show in Mexico is unthinkable. And if she just no-showed, that’s even more unthinkable. No one is going to convince me that Vince hasn’t lost control of his company and maybe his marbles. Every week it’s something that never would’ve happened before. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 12:48 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1512th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Poking the bear seems to be the norm these days. After almost 40 years of treating WWE like the mythology of Mount Olympus, it's clear that fearing a lightning bolt brought down from on high is lessened each time. The consequences of ...what? Being booked poorly? It's happening to a crush of people, regardless of their obedience. It's a game of Whack-a-Mole now, and instead of booking to the top, it becomes a race to the bottom as to who can find an infraction to be punished the most. The company has changed appearances for talent despite being advertised, and the idea that it's the brand that sells the tickets comes with a vocal reminder that it isn't the case. At least a name change is going to be easy in Flair's case, as she can just relocate by switching her name to Asheville. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 05:03 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1513th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Meltzer is reporting that Flair signing with AEW is a done deal, it’s just a matter of when he can legally appear on their TV. There’s some confusion over when and if he has a non-compete, but as soon as it’s straightened out he’ll be there. Although they can’t say it, through Andrade he was essentially signed before he even asked for his WWE release. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 05:07 pm PM Quote Reply 1514th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Meltzer is reporting that Flair signing with AEW is a done deal, it’s just a matter of when he can legally appear on their TV. There’s some confusion over when and if he has a non-compete, but as soon as it’s straightened out he’ll be there. Although they can’t say it, through Andrade he was essentially signed before he even asked for his WWE release. Hulk Hogan is probably asking everyone he knows for Tony Khan's number right now. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 05:42 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1515th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Meltzer is reporting that Flair signing with AEW is a done deal, it’s just a matter of when he can legally appear on their TV. There’s some confusion over when and if he has a non-compete, but as soon as it’s straightened out he’ll be there. Although they can’t say it, through Andrade he was essentially signed before he even asked for his WWE release. Hulk Hogan is probably asking everyone he knows for Tony Khan's number right now, brother. Fixed ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 06:41 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1516th Post Married Jo Joined: Fri Dec 21st, 2007 Location: Hickory NC Posts: 7327 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Meltzer is reporting that Flair signing with AEW is a done deal, it’s just a matter of when he can legally appear on their TV. There’s some confusion over when and if he has a non-compete, but as soon as it’s straightened out he’ll be there. Although they can’t say it, through Andrade he was essentially signed before he even asked for his WWE release. Hulk Hogan is probably asking everyone he knows for Tony Khan's number right now, n*****. Fixed Double fixed... ____________________ Well, Im of the opinion that one wouldnt actually have to eat the corn out of Chynas shit to know that nothing good could come of it. - Portalesman Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 06:42 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1517th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: OUCH! ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 07:06 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1518th Post tamalie HALL OF FAMER Joined: Mon Oct 22nd, 2007 Location: Posts: 5157 Status: Offline Mana: At what point does the WWE start to publicly (and possibly privately) take AEW seriously? At what point do we start hearing about AEW workers not liking the lack of upward mobility due to how loaded the roster is getting? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 07:27 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1519th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/72.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu72')">tamaliea> wrote: At what point does the WWE start to publicly (and possibly privately) take AEW seriously? At what point do we start hearing about AEW workers not liking the lack of upward mobility due to how loaded the roster is getting? Have we even heard of a single wrestler that's not happy in AEW? Have we heard of any possibly wanting to go back to WWE? Somebody interviewed Moxley and he said something to the effect of that in his mind he would never disqualify WWE from consideration as a place to work. So automatically, the non journalists on the internet started saying that "Moxley wants out and will go back to WWE when his contract is over". Which is bullshit. It was a direct question with an honest answer. But so far I've not heard of anybody bitching about how they are being treated. I know that at the end of the day Tony Khan is the boss, but I get the feeling that he truly cares about his roster, listens to their concerns, and tries to work towards a solution where everybody is happy and the wrestlers feel like they have input on their careers. And if the wrestlers make a fair wage, they won't bolt to work in the WWE machine unless they were guaranteed a better job. And we all know that WWE doesn't guarantee anything. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 07:32 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1520th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/72.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu72')">tamaliea> wrote: At what point does the WWE start to publicly (and possibly privately) take AEW seriously? At what point do we start hearing about AEW workers not liking the lack of upward mobility due to how loaded the roster is getting? Have we even heard of a single wrestler that's not happy in AEW? Have we heard of any possibly wanting to go back to WWE? Somebody interviewed Moxley and he said something to the effect of that in his mind he would never disqualify WWE from consideration as a place to work. So automatically, the non journalists on the internet started saying that "Moxley wants out and will go back to WWE when his contract is over". Which is bullshit. It was a direct question with an honest answer. But so far I've not heard of anybody bitching about how they are being treated. I know that at the end of the day Tony Khan is the boss, but I get the feeling that he truly cares about his roster, listens to their concerns, and tries to work towards a solution where everybody is happy and the wrestlers feel like they have input on their careers. And if the wrestlers make a fair wage, they won't bolt to work in the WWE machine unless they were guaranteed a better job. And we all know that WWE doesn't guarantee anything. Joey Janela is the only one, and he’ll never go to WWE. He does have an indy following though and claimed he was making money on his own. So he was very unhappy that he’s been mostly a job guy or Dark talent since signing with AEW, and he no-showed a taping once in protest. They must’ve straightened it out because he’s still being used in the same capacity and I haven’t heard him bitch in quite a few months. This will no doubt happen again one day, it’s inevitable in any company. Not everyone can get pushed. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 07:45 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1521st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Exclusive backstage footage of Fuego del Sol signing his actual contract and talking about being surprised when Sammy came out. <A HREF="https://twitter.com/aew/status/1427021026936844289?s=21" TARGET="_blank"> ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 08:06 pm PM Quote Reply 1522nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Colt Cabana was interviewed about being an agent. He said all they do is help the guys get everything they want into a match with the only constraint being the length of the match. He's never told anyone they can't or shouldn't do anything, and the most important part of his job is going over the match afterwards and seeing what worked and what didn't from the audience perspective. I think he only works on Dark and the top guys probably don't use agents. Seems a world away from WWE where I assume the agents spend most of their time telling guys what they can't do and that the finish will be a roll-up. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 09:05 pm PM Quote Reply 1523rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/72.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu72')">tamaliea> wrote: At what point does the WWE start to publicly (and possibly privately) take AEW seriously? At what point do we start hearing about AEW workers not liking the lack of upward mobility due to how loaded the roster is getting? There's two things to think about here. The first is that AEW wrestlers are allowed to work outside of AEW. On any given weekend, you'll find AEW wrestlers working for many different promotions, so they always have the chance to get some buzz about them outside of AEW, which would likely be noticed and probably rewarded. The second is that the AEW roster isn't as big as you think it is. Even on Dynamite, they use unsigned wrestlers every week. On this week's show we saw Mike Sydal, Daniel Garcia, 3.0, Wheeler Yuta and the Good Brothers. None of them are "All Elite." ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Aug 16th, 2021 09:30 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1524th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/72.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu72')">tamaliea> wrote: At what point does the WWE start to publicly (and possibly privately) take AEW seriously? At what point do we start hearing about AEW workers not liking the lack of upward mobility due to how loaded the roster is getting? There's two things to think about here. The first is that AEW wrestlers are allowed to work outside of AEW. On any given weekend, you'll find AEW wrestlers working for many different promotions, so they always have the chance to get some buzz about them outside of AEW, which would likely be noticed and probably rewarded. The second is that the AEW roster isn't as big as you think it is. Even on Dynamite, they use unsigned wrestlers every week. On this week's show we saw Mike Sydal, Daniel Garcia, 3.0, Wheeler Yuta and the Good Brothers. None of them are "All Elite." But Wheeler Yuta is a World champion according to Pro Wrestling Illustrated, so they better lock him up to a multi-million dollar contract ASAP. 3.0 will surely be signed. They have a ton of friends there, and the chubby one is a good promo. The Good Brothers would already be under contract if not for that pesky Impact contract that barely gets in the way of them hanging out with their friends. Daniel Garcia is the most generic guy with the most generic name that if he was re-cast by any other indy guy next week, no one would notice. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Aug 17th, 2021 03:10 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1525th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: The debut episode of Rampage drew 730,000 fans, which is pretty crazy for a Friday night at 10pm. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Aug 17th, 2021 03:16 am Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1526th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: The debut episode of Rampage drew 730,000 fans, which is pretty crazy for a Friday night at 10pm. I know it’s an unfair comparison because it ran from 8-10, but what kind of audience did Smackdown draw on Fridays? Also taking into account that WWE was drawing double the overall ratings back then. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Aug 17th, 2021 05:05 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1527th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: The debut episode of Rampage drew 730,000 fans, which is pretty crazy for a Friday night at 10pm. I know it’s an unfair comparison because it ran from 8-10, but what kind of audience did Smackdown draw on Fridays? Also taking into account that WWE was drawing double the overall ratings back then. Smackdown drew 2 million. Their first episode on FOX did 4 million, so they lost half their audience in 2 years. And obviously the comparison isn’t just 8-10 vs 10-11, but also network vs cable so I’d say this is pretty damn good. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Aug 19th, 2021 03:48 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1528th Post carpetbeggar The Ayatollah Of Rock And Rolla Joined: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 Location: Dangling From A Rope Of...CONFETTI!!! Posts: 12249 Status: Offline Mana: I'm about an hour behind watching 'Dynamite' tonight. I will tell you as much as I think the booking is really rotten IMO it's hard not to "mark out" for some of what they do. I know Sting shouldn't be taking bumps, blah, blah, blah, but that tag with him and "Darbs" tonight was pretty F'in cool. One thing I have to give Tony Khan and company,even though he still has a lot to learn about the intricacies of the business, he does bring the excitement. Too bad the WWE seems to have lost "it" when it comes to exciting television. I will say having the crowds back has got me interested even more than I was pre-covid. I am watching NXT now to and I am really looking forward to this 'Takeover' coming up. The Joe and Kross buildup is what got me into watching NXT as I can't say I ever really paid attention to them and only became invested when Joe was brought back and re-debuted. The Sammy-Spears match just ended. They worked hard, but the multiple false finish they did...and AEW does, is just too much. It's just becoming a standard part of their matches (mostly main events)in that it's just as normal as the lock up to begin matches. Blah.. sorry I had a couple beers after supper. Two beers nowadays and I'm half lit lol. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Aug 19th, 2021 04:00 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1529th Post carpetbeggar The Ayatollah Of Rock And Rolla Joined: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 Location: Dangling From A Rope Of...CONFETTI!!! Posts: 12249 Status: Offline Mana: Lol at Dan Lambert doing a quasi Jim Cornette shtick, but not getting too deep into some of Jim's legit (agree or not) issues with AEW. Actually Lambert is really just using typical "safe" cheap heat material,like AEW fans are D&D nerds, cancel culture, UFC guys tougher than the AEW roster, etc. Too bad they wouldn't let him get some real heat and just rip off Corny's rants word for word. The more I think about it, Lambert is more quasi Vince Russo than Jim Cornette. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Aug 19th, 2021 04:09 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1530th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I love the booking of MJF so much. They shouldn’t have him lose for a year or two. The booking with him and Jericho tonight was the perfect way to get everyone over while still having a clean finish. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Aug 19th, 2021 04:31 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1531st Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: From the bits I saw tonight, Moxley did a nice job with his promo in the bowels of the arena. No extraneous staffers for the sake of having layered background noise. It was a nice milestone moment, addressing both people recently joining, and serving notice to the impending arrivals that joining the AEW gravy train will come at a cost, so be prepared to pay the freight. Very natural come-at-me-bro delivery. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Aug 19th, 2021 04:35 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1532nd Post carpetbeggar The Ayatollah Of Rock And Rolla Joined: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 Location: Dangling From A Rope Of...CONFETTI!!! Posts: 12249 Status: Offline Mana: I had to pause it so I'm only at the Young Bucks entrance to their tag match with Sauras and Jungle Boy. OFG, did I miss Moxley's promo? Was it at the beginning of the show before him and his partner (lol I cannot remember his name at this time) made their entrance and got jumped? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Aug 19th, 2021 05:24 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1533rd Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/65.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu65')">carpetbeggara> wrote: I had to pause it so I'm only at the Young Bucks entrance to their tag match with Sauras and Jungle Boy. OFG, did I miss Moxley's promo? Was it at the beginning of the show before him and his partner (lol I cannot remember his name at this time) made their entrance and got jumped? No, it was midway through the show. Eddie Kingston is the partner. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Aug 19th, 2021 05:26 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1534th Post carpetbeggar The Ayatollah Of Rock And Rolla Joined: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 Location: Dangling From A Rope Of...CONFETTI!!! Posts: 12249 Status: Offline Mana: Jeez, Jungle Boy took all of that chair when he suplexed Pie Face. Well, I just rewound it and to be fair Matt's head and neck contact the chair, but Jungle Boy took the brunt of it. Nice crunching sound when it collapsed though. Again, false finish mania. I can't get into Omega and the Young Bucks being heels. They just do "heelish" stuff because they think that's what bad guys would do. Omega really didn't need to come out and do the chair shot..Just to setup getting speared by Christian. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Aug 19th, 2021 06:26 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1535th Post carpetbeggar The Ayatollah Of Rock And Rolla Joined: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 Location: Dangling From A Rope Of...CONFETTI!!! Posts: 12249 Status: Offline Mana: Brandon Cutler with the line of the night...or at least the first hour and twenty minutes of this week's 'Dynamite' that I have watched so far. Schiavone was in the interview area with all of The Elite to get their thoughts on the the Bucks win. Callis cuts Tony off and told the Bucks basically that since they are the greatest tag team ever, to go ahead and take the next two months off. Tells them to buy new shoes, and take the family to Hawaii for a vacation. Schiavone cuts Callis off and informs The Bucks that Tony Khan has had enough of the interference and put together an "eliminator tournament" between: The Lucha brothers, Varsity Blondes, Private Party and Jungle Boy and Luchasauras. The winners get a tag title shot in Chicago (at the PPV I assume since Schiavone didn't specify...he just said Chi-Town)...In a Steel Cage. Of course the Elite all flip out and storm off set with Cutler lingering on camera while Schiavone sends it back to the ring. Just before they cut, Cutler yells out to Callis "Hey, can I still go to Hawaii?" Schiavone didn't mention when the tourney matches are scheduled...If they will only be on 'Dynamite', 'Rampage', 'YouTube', or a combination. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Aug 19th, 2021 04:13 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1536th Post krazykid18 The Prophet Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: From the bits I saw tonight, Moxley did a nice job with his promo in the bowels of the arena. No extraneous staffers for the sake of having layered background noise. It was a nice milestone moment, addressing both people recently joining, and serving notice to the impending arrivals that joining the AEW gravy train will come at a cost, so be prepared to pay the freight. Very natural come-at-me-bro delivery. So i guess making sniffing noises and moving his neck erratically like he just came off a coke binge is a good promo nowadays. AEW needs to stop with the stupid kickouts also a top rope rko does nothing, a Canadian destroyer off the top rope just a regular move, but i am suppose to believe Jericho spinning lazy elbow or forearm is the death blow..... at least with Lugar we were told he had a metal plate but can't lie AEW crowd is amazing...and Young Bucks need to have a 2 on 1 tag team match with me in my bedroom.. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Aug 19th, 2021 05:02 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1537th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: From the bits I saw tonight, Moxley did a nice job with his promo in the bowels of the arena. No extraneous staffers for the sake of having layered background noise. It was a nice milestone moment, addressing both people recently joining, and serving notice to the impending arrivals that joining the AEW gravy train will come at a cost, so be prepared to pay the freight. Very natural come-at-me-bro delivery. So i guess making sniffing noises and moving his neck erratically like he just came off a coke binge is a good promo nowadays. Coming off an attack and brawl, I expected Moxley to be pissed off and rattled as he vented about the guys trying to make a name at his expense. After having the snot nearly beaten out of him, he sniffed to great effect so as to keep it from derailing his thoughts. The fact it was done solo was better than having some interviewer who would ask "how do you feel?", as if nobody wanted to approach him and he was still reeling a bit. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Aug 19th, 2021 11:16 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1538th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: 2.0 are officially All Elite. No surprise there. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 06:34 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1539th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/65.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu65')">carpetbeggara> wrote: Brandon Cutler with the line of the night...or at least the first hour and twenty minutes of this week's 'Dynamite' that I have watched so far. Schiavone was in the interview area with all of The Elite to get their thoughts on the the Bucks win. Callis cuts Tony off and told the Bucks basically that since they are the greatest tag team ever, to go ahead and take the next two months off. Tells them to buy new shoes, and take the family to Hawaii for a vacation. Schiavone cuts Callis off and informs The Bucks that Tony Khan has had enough of the interference and put together an "eliminator tournament" between: The Lucha brothers, Varsity Blondes, Private Party and Jungle Boy and Luchasauras. The winners get a tag title shot in Chicago (at the PPV I assume since Schiavone didn't specify...he just said Chi-Town)...In a Steel Cage. Of course the Elite all flip out and storm off set with Cutler lingering on camera while Schiavone sends it back to the ring. Just before they cut, Cutler yells out to Callis "Hey, can I still go to Hawaii?" Schiavone didn't mention when the tourney matches are scheduled...If they will only be on 'Dynamite', 'Rampage', 'YouTube', or a combination. Tony Khan obviously still reads this board - after you put this up, they put this exact same clip up on their Instagram page, and didn't cut away until after the line. It was an awesome line and if he ad-libbed it he's a genius. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 06:39 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1540th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Anyone who thinks that WWE really doesn’t consider AEW competition, Vince sent Roman Reigns out to give an interview with Ariel Helwani where he blasted CM Punk as not being as over as he thought he was and not being in Cena’s league, then he said Jon Moxley didn’t have what it took it be the top guy in WWE. It wasn’t really an in-character heel promo and came across as desperate, and not something that you’d think Reigns would say on his own. Mick Foley immediately posted to his social media that the comments were ludicrous and Punk was extremely over. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 06:56 pm PM Quote Reply 1541st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Meltzer is reporting that Ric Flair has signed with AEW. No real surprise there. I'm really intrigued at how Rampage is going to go down tonight. They have advertised four matches: Jamie Hayter vs. Red Velvet Malakai Black vs. Brock Anderson with Arn Anderson Varsity Blondes vs. Lucha Bros Orange Cassidy vs. Matt Hardy That seems like a lot for a one hour show. I'm guessing Black vs. Brock will be a 3 second match, but I'd usually expect a match like tag team match to get at least 10 minutes. If Punk comes out first, will people care about what comes after? If Punk is coming on last, will people just be chanting for Punk until he arrives? He has to come out first, right, so they don't risk messing up the timing? I have a feeling we get a second surprise tonight. Maybe Flair, maybe something else. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 06:58 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1542nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Meltzer is reporting that Ric Flair has signed with AEW. No real surprise there. I'm really intrigued at how Rampage is going to go down tonight. They have advertised four matches: Jamie Hayter vs. Red Velvet Malakai Black vs. Brock Anderson with Arn Anderson Varsity Blondes vs. Lucha Bros Orange Cassidy vs. Matt Hardy That seems like a lot for a one hour show. I'm guessing Black vs. Brock will be a 3 second match, but I'd usually expect a match like tag team match to get at least 10 minutes. If Punk comes out first, will people care about what comes after? If Punk is coming on last, will people just be chanting for Punk until he arrives? He has to come out first, right, so they don't risk messing up the timing? I have a feeling we get a second surprise tonight. Maybe Flair, maybe something else. If he comes out first, the rest of the show is irrelevant. If he comes out last, the fans will just chant “CM Punk” all night and the rest of the show is irrelevant. There’s really no point in even having a show tonight. Just send Punk out for a 15-minute segment and everyone will feel like it was better than an 8-hour Wrestlemania anyway. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 07:04 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1543rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: A number of Forbidden Door things on Impact last night. Impact got footage from both NJPW Strong and AAA Triplemania, the former showing clips of The Good Brothers beating Moxley and Nagata and then facing off with Guerrilas of Destiny, the latter showing clips of Deonna Purrazzo beating Faby Apache to win the AAA Reina de Reinas title. In addition to that, Christian made his Impact return and faced off with his next challenger Brian Myers. In the process, they retired the TNA title again and he will now only carry the Impact title. I feel like they just wanted Omega to hold as many belts as possible even though they never explained in AEW what the Impact vs. TNA title even was. Melina made her Impact debut representing the NWA and beat Brandi Lauren in a squash. I think Lauren is a recent NXT release, or maybe she was just there not under contract after WWE bought EVOLVE. Kenny Omega appears to be done with Impact now that Christian is the champ. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 08:24 pm PM Quote Reply 1544th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: By the way, if you haven't seen it yet, the Jericho entrance with no music and the fans singing his song was pretty awesome. You could see how happy Jericho was as well, that big smile was genuine. AEW still need to mic their crowds better, because people there are saying it was even more impressive live. Whoever came up with that stip gets a tip of the chapeau. <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cx8CyQkQxc" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cx8CyQkQxcA> ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 08:24 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1545th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: In addition to that, Christian made his Impact return and faced off with his next challenger Brian Myers. In the process, they retired the TNA title again and he will now only carry the Impact title. Damn shame - that TNA Title is one of the better looking World Title belts out, and they retired it for the Impact belt. It's similar to WCW using their World Title when Big Gold came back to town. The people still respected Big Gold much more than the WCW belt. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 08:38 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1546th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: By the way, if you haven't seen it yet, the Jericho entrance with no music and the fans singing his song was pretty awesome. You could see how happy Jericho was as well, that big smile was genuine. AEW still need to mic their crowds better, because people there are saying it was even more impressive live. Whoever came up with that stip gets a tip of the chapeau. <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cx8CyQkQxc" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cx8CyQkQxcA> My favorite part of it was how spontaneous it was. The ring announcer started to cut it off by announcing Jericho, and he gave her a quick throat slash gesture and she stopped and it was dead air with just the fans singing a capella. A moment of pure joy and fun you couldn't even fathom in WWE. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 08:50 pm PM Quote Reply 1547th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: By the way, if you haven't seen it yet, the Jericho entrance with no music and the fans singing his song was pretty awesome. You could see how happy Jericho was as well, that big smile was genuine. AEW still need to mic their crowds better, because people there are saying it was even more impressive live. Whoever came up with that stip gets a tip of the chapeau. <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cx8CyQkQxc" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cx8CyQkQxcA> My favorite part of it was how spontaneous it was. The ring announcer started to cut it off by announcing Jericho, and he gave her a quick throat slash gesture and she stopped and it was dead air with just the fans singing a capella. A moment of pure joy and fun you couldn't even fathom in WWE. WWE came close to this only twice. The first was Sandman's entrance at the first One Night Stand. Epic. But they were too cheap to pay for the song, or even for Motorhead's version of the song. The live broadcast was the only time they actually showed properly, if you want to watch it now, you have do a bit of digging. The other one was Fandango's theme, and the first thing they did was have Jerry Lawler cut a promo in the ring saying how cool it was, which instantly made it the least cool thing in the world. It's these kind of things that make people fans. You watch that Jericho entrance and you want to be there in the arena. You don't have to say anything, but I know some of you were singing along from your couches. Long term, this will sell tickets. The WWE crowds seem to be forcing themselves to enjoy the show, and I think they will be back to half-empty arenas once the novelty of going to any event is over. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 08:56 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1548th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: By the way, if you haven't seen it yet, the Jericho entrance with no music and the fans singing his song was pretty awesome. You could see how happy Jericho was as well, that big smile was genuine. AEW still need to mic their crowds better, because people there are saying it was even more impressive live. Whoever came up with that stip gets a tip of the chapeau. <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cx8CyQkQxc" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cx8CyQkQxcA> My favorite part of it was how spontaneous it was. The ring announcer started to cut it off by announcing Jericho, and he gave her a quick throat slash gesture and she stopped and it was dead air with just the fans singing a capella. A moment of pure joy and fun you couldn't even fathom in WWE. WWE came close to this only twice. The first was Sandman's entrance at the first One Night Stand. Epic. But they were too cheap to pay for the song, or even for Motorhead's version of the song. The live broadcast was the only time they actually showed properly, if you want to watch it now, you have do a bit of digging. The other one was Fandango's theme, and the first thing they did was have Jerry Lawler cut a promo in the ring saying how cool it was, which instantly made it the least cool thing in the world. It's these kind of things that make people fans. You watch that Jericho entrance and you want to be there in the arena. You don't have to say anything, but I know some of you were singing along from your couches. Long term, this will sell tickets. The WWE crowds seem to be forcing themselves to enjoy the show, and I think they will be back to half-empty arenas once the novelty of going to any event is over. One Night Stand is possibly the greatest wrestling show of all-time, and had nothing to do with Vince. He let them do their own thing, and it was spectacular. Even by the 2nd ECW reunion show, which was good, it wasn’t the same. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 09:49 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1549th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tony Khan all but confirming Punk tonight: "I don't like to let people down and I have no plans to disappoint anybody tonight." ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 09:58 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1550th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tony Khan all but confirming Punk tonight: "I don't like to let people down and I have no plans to disappoint anybody tonight." Here’s the thing, if Punk doesn’t show up tonight Khan and AEW will have dug themselves a hole they may never be able to get out of even though they have never even giving a hint of Punk coming in, just by never denying the rumors. He’s gonna be there tonight. We all know it. I don’t even know how much I care about Punk in 2021 but I will admit that I am intrigued and want to see what happens tonight and in the next few weeks with him and also with Danielson, who I am much more interested in signing with AEW. ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 10:13 pm PM Quote Reply 1551st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tony Khan all but confirming Punk tonight: "I don't like to let people down and I have no plans to disappoint anybody tonight." Here’s the thing, if Punk doesn’t show up tonight Khan and AEW will have dug themselves a hole they may never be able to get out of even though they have never even giving a hint of Punk coming in, just by never denying the rumors. He’s gonna be there tonight. We all know it. I don’t even know how much I care about Punk in 2021 but I will admit that I am intrigued and want to see what happens tonight and in the next few weeks with him and also with Danielson, who I am much more interested in signing with AEW. Do you watch AEW? They have been dropping hints for over a month. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 10:37 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1552nd Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tony Khan all but confirming Punk tonight: "I don't like to let people down and I have no plans to disappoint anybody tonight." Here’s the thing, if Punk doesn’t show up tonight Khan and AEW will have dug themselves a hole they may never be able to get out of even though they have never even giving a hint of Punk coming in, just by never denying the rumors. He’s gonna be there tonight. We all know it. I don’t even know how much I care about Punk in 2021 but I will admit that I am intrigued and want to see what happens tonight and in the next few weeks with him and also with Danielson, who I am much more interested in signing with AEW. Do you watch AEW? They have been dropping hints for over a month. Okay hints yes, but to run a show in Chicago basically promising him without outright ever saying it is another thing entirely. ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 10:44 pm PM Quote Reply 1553rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tony Khan all but confirming Punk tonight: "I don't like to let people down and I have no plans to disappoint anybody tonight." Here’s the thing, if Punk doesn’t show up tonight Khan and AEW will have dug themselves a hole they may never be able to get out of even though they have never even giving a hint of Punk coming in, just by never denying the rumors. He’s gonna be there tonight. We all know it. I don’t even know how much I care about Punk in 2021 but I will admit that I am intrigued and want to see what happens tonight and in the next few weeks with him and also with Danielson, who I am much more interested in signing with AEW. Do you watch AEW? They have been dropping hints for over a month. Okay hints yes, but to run a show in Chicago basically promising him without outright ever saying it is another thing entirely. They've had the "best in the world" comments from Darby Allin. Kenny Omega wearing a Cookie Monster shirt, then a Chick Magnet shirt. Making a huge deal out of having a show in Chicago, something they have never done for any other show. A recap putting the Darby comments and the Chicago announcement together. This would be the ultimate troll if they weren't bringing in Punk, and an error of such magnitude that it's inconceivable that he won't be there. The rumors only exists because they started the rumors themselves. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 11:07 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1554th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Probably nothing to this except for Braun Strowman going into business for himself to create some buzz, but he tweeted that he was looking for deep dish pizza for dinner and was sure he’d find some where he was. So he’s claiming to be in Chicago. If AEW could sneak in a second surprise on top of Punk, they’d really break the Internet. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2021 11:57 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1555th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: A new report has some details on how TNT views CM Punk’s rumored arrival in AEW. Fightful Select reports that they have spoken with several people involved with WarnerMedia and TNT, who said that the network is operating on the assumption that Punk is coming into the company. The site notes that there’s a lot of excitement about bringing Punk in and that Punk will have the network’s promotional machine behind him once he returns. While it isn’t clear what they will entail, the site says they were told that both TNT and WarnerMedia are “very aware” of the situation, with employees noting that many in the company were impressed with how AEW are selling the way they did while running four shows over the course of a few weeks in the same market. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 12:29 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1556th Post martini Wrestling Classics Owner Joined: Fri Aug 13th, 2010 Location: Posts: 4240 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: A new report has some details on how TNT views CM Punk’s rumored arrival in AEW. Fightful Select reports that they have spoken with several people involved with WarnerMedia and TNT, who said that the network is operating on the assumption that Punk is coming into the company. The site notes that there’s a lot of excitement about bringing Punk in and that Punk will have the network’s promotional machine behind him once he returns. While it isn’t clear what they will entail, the site says they were told that both TNT and WarnerMedia are “very aware” of the situation, with employees noting that many in the company were impressed with how AEW are selling the way they did while running four shows over the course of a few weeks in the same market. Good to see Turner is on the ball as usual... ____________________ Shaken, but not stirred. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 03:03 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1557th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: AEW has made a shirt with their letters in the style of CM Punk’s logo. Aubrey Edwards modeled it on Twitter today. Of course Punk’s logo is the flag of the city of Chicago, and they’re saying it’s a shirt for tonight’s event, so they’re not actually giving anything away, but they are. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 03:07 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1558th Post Blazer Head Auditor, CPA Joined: Sun Sep 4th, 2011 Location: Posts: 9544 Status: Offline Mana: I realize this is a ridiculously stupid question, but is Rampage available on tv? Or is this just a house show? Last edited on Sat Aug 21st, 2021 03:07 am by Blazer ____________________ "Well, maybe I like the nightlife just a little bit more than I like the damn gym, jack! And when you're makin' $500,000 a year, there ain't no reason to change what you're doing." - Dusty Rhodes, 1/4/1986 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 03:08 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1559th Post Blazer Head Auditor, CPA Joined: Sun Sep 4th, 2011 Location: Posts: 9544 Status: Offline Mana: Ok, I see it's on TNT. ____________________ "Well, maybe I like the nightlife just a little bit more than I like the damn gym, jack! And when you're makin' $500,000 a year, there ain't no reason to change what you're doing." - Dusty Rhodes, 1/4/1986 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 03:09 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1560th Post Blazer Head Auditor, CPA Joined: Sun Sep 4th, 2011 Location: Posts: 9544 Status: Offline Mana: The AEW website says, "Live Friday's on TNT". Not sure why Friday's is possessive with that apostrophe, but wrestling website editors probably get paid around the same as the Walmart greeter, with worse benefits. ____________________ "Well, maybe I like the nightlife just a little bit more than I like the damn gym, jack! And when you're makin' $500,000 a year, there ain't no reason to change what you're doing." - Dusty Rhodes, 1/4/1986 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 03:13 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1561st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Scott D’Amore has replied to a Tama Tonga tweet at Karl Anderson with this: “This sounds like something that should be hashed out in an @impactwrestling ring. Tama, nothing but respect for you and your family. The Forbidden Door is open and I personally invite you to walk through it.” ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:06 am Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1562nd Post Boz1515 Joined: Sat May 26th, 2012 Location: Posts: 3215 Status: Offline Mana: You guys watching this intro for Punk? Big crowd, great presentation with the intro stage, hot crowd obviously. I don't now how Vince can say he doesn't see this as competition. It looks as "big time" as I've ever seen AEW. Last edited on Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:07 am by Boz1515 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:11 am Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1563rd Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: Way to spoil it for us. LOL ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:13 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1564th Post Angelic Assassin Joined: Mon Dec 27th, 2010 Location: Home Of The Redskins, You Candy Asses. , Washington USA Posts: 10482 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/365.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu365')">Blazera> wrote: The AEW website says, "Live Friday's on TNT". Not sure why Friday's is possessive with that apostrophe, but wrestling website editors probably get paid around the same as the Walmart greeter, with worse benefits. Knowbahdee kan spel ore yews gramer anymorr ahnd noe on seams too kare. Goe awn da FaseBooks ahnd coment ahn ah purssons speling, grammer ore lak off punkedtuatian ahnd cee whut hapens. ____________________ This thread was great till Rossi posted that AA ruined it. Rossi=The Mouth That Bored Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:16 am Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1565th Post Boz1515 Joined: Sat May 26th, 2012 Location: Posts: 3215 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: Way to spoil it for us. LOL Ah, sorry. What, you're not watching this live? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:21 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1566th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Well that was just…perfect. That’s the closest thing I could get to marking out at my age. That’s the Austin-Tyson moment. I’d be scared if I was WWE. Sometimes you just get a feeling when the dam breaks, and that felt like it. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:30 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1567th Post martini Wrestling Classics Owner Joined: Fri Aug 13th, 2010 Location: Posts: 4240 Status: Offline Mana: I feel bad for the tag match. That opening segment was electric. ____________________ Shaken, but not stirred. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:31 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1568th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Well that was just…perfect. That’s the closest thing I could get to marking out at my age. That’s the Austin-Tyson moment. I’d be scared if I was WWE. Sometimes you just get a feeling when the dam breaks, and that felt like it. Great analogy, seriously that may be spot on a year or two from now. ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:34 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1569th Post Franchise Low key big hog Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Ohio , USA Posts: 6045 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Well that was just…perfect. That’s the closest thing I could get to marking out at my age. That’s the Austin-Tyson moment. I’d be scared if I was WWE. Sometimes you just get a feeling when the dam breaks, and that felt like it. My son was cautiously optimistic that Punk would be there and he was thrilled to see him. At this point AEW couldn't be doing more to draw him in. The E is a second thought for him; Monday night he went to bed early and said he would look up the highlights later. ____________________ Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:37 am Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1570th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/383.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu383')">Boz1515a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: Way to spoil it for us. LOL Ah, sorry. What, you're not watching this live? Are you kidding? When I told my wife what was coming up she watched just to prove me wrong. When his music hit and the roof came off, she burst out a “FUCK WWE” and a huge laugh. This is the first wrestling I’ve been able to get her to watch other than Ronda Rousey in six years. Possibly more, she tapped out 20 mins into the RAW the night after Taker lost the Streak to Lesnar. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:40 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1571st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/383.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu383')">Boz1515a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: Way to spoil it for us. LOL Ah, sorry. What, you're not watching this live? Are you kidding? When I told my wife what was coming up she watched just to prove me wrong. When his music hit and the roof came off, she burst out a “FUCK WWE” and a huge laugh. This is the first wrestling I’ve been able to get her to watch other than Ronda Rousey in six years. Possibly more, she tapped out 20 mins into the RAW the night after Taker lost the Streak to Lesnar. My wife watched it with me and she’s never seen a Punk wrestling match. She knows him from UFC. Her observations: he got old but that is the loudest crowd I’ve ever heard for wrestling. She was baffled by the ice cream bars comment and I had no idea how to explain it. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:46 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1572nd Post Franchise Low key big hog Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Ohio , USA Posts: 6045 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/383.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu383')">Boz1515a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: Way to spoil it for us. LOL Ah, sorry. What, you're not watching this live? Are you kidding? When I told my wife what was coming up she watched just to prove me wrong. When his music hit and the roof came off, she burst out a “FUCK WWE” and a huge laugh. This is the first wrestling I’ve been able to get her to watch other than Ronda Rousey in six years. Possibly more, she tapped out 20 mins into the RAW the night after Taker lost the Streak to Lesnar. My wife watched it with me and she’s never seen a Punk wrestling match. She knows him from UFC. Her observations: he got old but that is the loudest crowd I’ve ever heard for wrestling. She was baffled by the ice cream bars comment and I had no idea how to explain it. I told my wife and son he is straight edge so maybe its like buying a round of shots, then i went outside to drink and smoke. ____________________ Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:50 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1573rd Post martini Wrestling Classics Owner Joined: Fri Aug 13th, 2010 Location: Posts: 4240 Status: Offline Mana: I really haven't had wrestling that was appointment viewing in 9 or so years. I was on AEW live both Wednesday and tonight for the Sting match and Punk debut, respectively. That has to say something for what they're doing.. ____________________ Shaken, but not stirred. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:59 am Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1574th Post Boz1515 Joined: Sat May 26th, 2012 Location: Posts: 3215 Status: Offline Mana: It will be interesting to see how these ratings stack up to Smackdown, even being on later. Smackdown wasn't even on in my area because of Washington's preseason game. The Smackdown rating should be down again. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 05:15 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1575th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: “You guys really know how to make a kid feel like Britt Baker in Pittsburgh.” That was a great opening line, already putting over a young talent and showing product knowledge and that he would be a team player. It was a nice way to start. And as someone who was such a huge ROH fan during the mid-2000s, it was great to hear Punk put them over so huge and never directly bad-mouth WWE, but rather focus on the positive of how great wrestling was in ROH and leaving pro wrestling the day he left ROH. I don’t know if it will mean anything, but I hope it somehow helps ROH given when they are now. I know all the ROH guys on Twitter popped big. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 05:22 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1576th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: The Pro Wrestling Tees website crashed selling the new Punk merch. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 05:33 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1577th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: CM Punk giving a postgame press conference. He said he and Tony Khan had been talking for a year and half. He knew he wanted to do this almost as long, but wasn’t coming back until there were fans in the building. Covid obviously delayed this a lot, but he said “timing is everything” and it all worked out. He’s not here part-time, he plans to wrestle a full schedule. He’s been training in his basement to look good “in his underwear” again, but not doing anything in a ring. He said it’s like riding a bike and he just has to do it and it’ll feel authentic even if he’s rusty. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 05:40 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1578th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Yes, they all got their ice cream bars. Meltzer is comparing this to the Andy Kaufman at Radio City Music Hall stunt, and something that will be talked about for decades to come. <A HREF="https://twitter.com/abekanan/status/1428918253238296576?s=21" TARGET="_blank"> ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 06:10 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1579th Post Quattro Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: Posts: 4476 Status: Offline Mana: That crowd reaction was amazing. Not a pop, but a sustained reaction. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 06:12 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1580th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: CM Punk giving a postgame press conference. He said he and Tony Khan had been talking for a year and half. He knew he wanted to do this almost as long, but wasn’t coming back until there were fans in the building. Covid obviously delayed this a lot, but he said “timing is everything” and it all worked out. He’s not here part-time, he plans to wrestle a full schedule. He’s been training in his basement to look good “in his underwear” again, but not doing anything in a ring. He said it’s like riding a bike and he just has to do it and it’ll feel authentic even if he’s rusty. Punk says he’s watched every episode of Dynamite but hasn’t watched Dark or Elevation because he doesn’t use YouTube. He says he mostly watches old wrestling VHS tapes and DVDs and joked that he feels like Terry Funk now. He says going forward he’ll learn new technology so he can watch everything. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 06:30 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1581st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: CM Punk giving a postgame press conference. He said he and Tony Khan had been talking for a year and half. He knew he wanted to do this almost as long, but wasn’t coming back until there were fans in the building. Covid obviously delayed this a lot, but he said “timing is everything” and it all worked out. He’s not here part-time, he plans to wrestle a full schedule. He’s been training in his basement to look good “in his underwear” again, but not doing anything in a ring. He said it’s like riding a bike and he just has to do it and it’ll feel authentic even if he’s rusty. Punk says he’s watched every episode of Dynamite but hasn’t watched Dark or Elevation because he doesn’t use YouTube. He says he mostly watches old wrestling VHS tapes and DVDs and joked that he feels like Terry Funk now. He says going forward he’ll learn new technology so he can watch everything. “Going forward, I think my legacy is to help out the young guys the way Harley Race helped me, the way Terry Funk helped me, the way Eddie Guerrero helped me, Tracy Smothers…I think if I was a kid and I saw Darby Allin, he would be my favorite wrestler. I get excited about the prosect of me working with Pillman, Hobbs, Ricky Starks, Jungle Boy, Darby Allin. I’ve never done anything with the Young Bucks. I’ve never stepped in the ring with Kenny Omega. And who knows who else is coming.” When asked about the Fordidden Door, Punk says he signed with AEW but if Tony Khan asks him to compete in the G1 or something, they’ll talk about it and he’s open. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 07:14 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1582nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Bryan Alvarez: “Following CM Punk’s debut, the average secondary market ticket price for All Out is currently $993.00. Not a typo.” ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 09:24 am PM Quote Reply 1583rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: AEW and Punk hit it out of the park with that show. I've watched the Punk segment three times already. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:47 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1584th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: So here’s a question. Can a Punk/Omega match headline a stadium show for an AEW PPV? We’ve seen them sell 15000+ in Chicago last night and will again next month in NY. Wrestling is fun again for the first time in a long time in AEW and like with the Jericho a cappella on Wednesday, people want to be a part of things that are cool. Surely this has to be their biggest money match at least in the short term? Last edited on Sat Aug 21st, 2021 04:52 pm by cookie32723 ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 05:15 pm PM Quote Reply 1585th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Anyone who thinks that WWE really doesn’t consider AEW competition, Vince sent Roman Reigns out to give an interview with Ariel Helwani where he blasted CM Punk as not being as over as he thought he was and not being in Cena’s league, then he said Jon Moxley didn’t have what it took it be the top guy in WWE. It wasn’t really an in-character heel promo and came across as desperate, and not something that you’d think Reigns would say on his own. Mick Foley immediately posted to his social media that the comments were ludicrous and Punk was extremely over. Something that made me laugh was that in Roman's interview, and in a Seth Rollins interview this week, they were both asked the same question about promos, and they said they do their own promos, and Roman even tried to claim that his weren't scripted. That's a crock of shit. Maybe they get some input, but from the way they deliver their promos, and the language they use, those are scripted and rehearsed, and no one can tell me otherwise. Edge's opening promo on Smackdown last night was good, but it was clearly scripted, and when compared to Punk's promo two hours later, Edge gets a participation certificate at best. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 05:20 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1586th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Anyone who thinks that WWE really doesn’t consider AEW competition, Vince sent Roman Reigns out to give an interview with Ariel Helwani where he blasted CM Punk as not being as over as he thought he was and not being in Cena’s league, then he said Jon Moxley didn’t have what it took it be the top guy in WWE. It wasn’t really an in-character heel promo and came across as desperate, and not something that you’d think Reigns would say on his own. Mick Foley immediately posted to his social media that the comments were ludicrous and Punk was extremely over. Something that made me laugh was that in Roman's interview, and in a Seth Rollins interview this week, they were both asked the same question about promos, and they said they do their own promos, and Roman even tried to claim that his weren't scripted. That's a crock of shit. Maybe they get some input, but from the way they deliver their promos, and the language they use, those are scripted and rehearsed, and no one can tell me otherwise. Edge's opening promo on Smackdown last night was good, but it was clearly scripted, and when compared to Punk's promo two hours later, Edge gets a participation certificate at best. What turned Reigns’ career around was when Heyman started personally writing his promos. Heyman is 100% absorbed into the “WWE Way” now to the point that the ECW genius is dead, and even the guy who booked the last great era of Smackdown is too, but he has a way of putting the slightest spin on WWE drivel to make it palatable. The flip switched and Reigns really came into his own. I’m sure they’re still watered down by the time they go through the approval levels, but they’re on a different level than just about everyone else’s. But Reigns is still so clearly reciting lines it’s not even funny. Rollins is the worst promo in the business right now for me. Just channel-changing stuff every time he opens his mouth. Vince loves scripting the fake laugh, and no one’s is worse or more frequent than Rollins’. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 05:38 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1587th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Heyman is 100% absorbed into the “WWE Way” now to the point that the ECW genius is dead I don't believe this for a minute. Paul Heyman knows exactly what he can and cannot get away with in WWE, he's been fired at least three times by Vince at my count and he fully knows what he will be allowed to do and what he won't be allowed to do, so he adapted to mirror what his boss wants, but put his own finishing touches on it. I think if he were brought in to AEW to run the show, he would adapt to what Tony Khan wants from his product the same way. If he went to TNA all those years back, I think he would have run them in his own personal vision. The problem is that Heyman doesn't have the money to run a wrestling company and none of the companies that are little enough to let him run the show have the money to afford him. I think he and he alone is the only one that could turn ROH around, but Sinclair is a notoriously cheap company. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 06:13 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1588th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: Tony Khan and Punk had a press conference after the show and Bix called in via Zoom. Bix had muted himself and didn’t unmute and Punk said - “Not all professionals here”, and Khan said “He’s VERY professional, very well researched”, and Punk replied “…is he?”. Then Khan said “Did we lose Bix?”. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 07:06 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1589th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: Tony Khan and Punk had a press conference after the show and Bix called in via Zoom. Bix had muted himself and didn’t unmute and Punk said - “Not all professionals here”, and Khan said “He’s VERY professional, very well researched”, and Punk replied “…is he?”. Then Khan said “Did we lose Bix?”. Bix will be crying through his skin cream all weekend. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 07:09 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1590th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Heyman is 100% absorbed into the “WWE Way” now to the point that the ECW genius is dead I don't believe this for a minute. Paul Heyman knows exactly what he can and cannot get away with in WWE, he's been fired at least three times by Vince at my count and he fully knows what he will be allowed to do and what he won't be allowed to do, so he adapted to mirror what his boss wants, but put his own finishing touches on it. I think if he were brought in to AEW to run the show, he would adapt to what Tony Khan wants from his product the same way. If he went to TNA all those years back, I think he would have run them in his own personal vision. The problem is that Heyman doesn't have the money to run a wrestling company and none of the companies that are little enough to let him run the show have the money to afford him. I think he and he alone is the only one that could turn ROH around, but Sinclair is a notoriously cheap company. You might be right. It’s been so long since he’s done anything outside of WWE, and he’s almost completely renounced his time in ECW as “not living in the past”, that it’s impossible to say what he’d be capable of at this point. I’d love to find out. I really wouldn’t want to see him in AEW, but I’d give anything to see him book ROH for a year and see what he could do with it. It’s an exhausting prospect for someone his age to start from scratch at such a low level though right now, even if he was released tomorrow. I doubt he’d be interested. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 07:13 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1591st Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: Tony Khan and Punk had a press conference after the show and Bix called in via Zoom. Bix had muted himself and didn’t unmute and Punk said - “Not all professionals here”, and Khan said “He’s VERY professional, very well researched”, and Punk replied “…is he?”. Then Khan said “Did we lose Bix?”. Bix will be crying through his skin cream all weekend. Then Punk was fucking with him asking if his computer was "a Commodore, or a Tandy?". Which made me almost spit coffee on my laptop ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 08:00 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1592nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: Tony Khan and Punk had a press conference after the show and Bix called in via Zoom. Bix had muted himself and didn’t unmute and Punk said - “Not all professionals here”, and Khan said “He’s VERY professional, very well researched”, and Punk replied “…is he?”. Then Khan said “Did we lose Bix?”. Bix will be crying through his skin cream all weekend. Then Punk was fucking with him asking if his computer was "a Commodore, or a Tandy?". Which made me almost spit coffee on my laptop And to think, Bix got to ask a question and Izzy (Bayley Girl) didn’t get called on. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Aug 21st, 2021 08:51 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1593rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: The man now dubbed “Crying CM Punk Fan” caught a lot of shit online last night and will probably be turned into a meme, but dozens of wrestlers have come to his defense. Tommy Dreamer topped them all by saying that once identified, he will fly the fan to Impact for a TV taping and arrange with Tony Khan and Punk a backstage meet & greet at a future AEW show in Chicago. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Aug 22nd, 2021 12:28 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1594th Post beejmi THE BIG KAHUNA Joined: Sat Oct 13th, 2007 Location: Philly Posts: 52271 Status: Offline Mana: Ok now I want AJ back Gimme AJ vs Brit Baker gimme two girls that can do a promo Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Aug 22nd, 2021 12:31 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1595th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1')">beejmia> wrote: Ok now I want AJ back Gimme AJ vs Brit Baker gimme two girls that can do a promo I’d take that. I was actually looking for AJ in the crowd when Punk was hugging some friends, but she wasn’t there. I guess she was backstage. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Aug 22nd, 2021 08:06 am PM Quote Reply 1596th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Meltzer is reporting that Bray Wyatt is very close to signing with AEW. I hope he proves me wrong, but I'm not interested in seeing Wyatt in AEW. Everything he did after the Wyatt Family was kinda interesting, but impossible to translate into anything resembling a good in-ring product. The guy has been so immersed in gimmick for about 8 years now that I don't know what they can get out of him that is fresh and interesting to watch. With Daniel Bryanson coming in, I think AEW have enough fresh matches to keep them going for a couple of years without gambling on Wyatt. If he's being brought in to be a manager and occasional wrestler (tag matches ONLY) then that could work. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Aug 22nd, 2021 08:58 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1597th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Meltzer is reporting that Bray Wyatt is very close to signing with AEW. I hope he proves me wrong, but I'm not interested in seeing Wyatt in AEW. Everything he did after the Wyatt Family was kinda interesting, but impossible to translate into anything resembling a good in-ring product. The guy has been so immersed in gimmick for about 8 years now that I don't know what they can get out of him that is fresh and interesting to watch. With Daniel Bryanson coming in, I think AEW have enough fresh matches to keep them going for a couple of years without gambling on Wyatt. If he's being brought in to be a manager and occasional wrestler (tag matches ONLY) then that could work. There’s no way you don’t sign Wyatt when he becomes available. Let him run his ideas his way and see what happens. You have to take a chance. If you don’t take Strowman because you have too much talent, then I get that. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Aug 22nd, 2021 09:34 am PM Quote Reply 1598th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Meltzer is reporting that Bray Wyatt is very close to signing with AEW. I hope he proves me wrong, but I'm not interested in seeing Wyatt in AEW. Everything he did after the Wyatt Family was kinda interesting, but impossible to translate into anything resembling a good in-ring product. The guy has been so immersed in gimmick for about 8 years now that I don't know what they can get out of him that is fresh and interesting to watch. With Daniel Bryanson coming in, I think AEW have enough fresh matches to keep them going for a couple of years without gambling on Wyatt. If he's being brought in to be a manager and occasional wrestler (tag matches ONLY) then that could work. There’s no way you don’t sign Wyatt when he becomes available. Let him run his ideas his way and see what happens. You have to take a chance. If you don’t take Strowman because you have too much talent, then I get that. I guess so. I'd make him prove his ideas on Dark, though. He has been involved in some of the worst WWE pay per view matches in recent memory. At least five all time stinkers. Not sure what Strowman offers apart from his size, and the only company that values size doesn't want him. It's quite hilarious that Strowman is too big to be just a guy in WWE, but not big enough to be their giant. Last edited on Sun Aug 22nd, 2021 09:37 am by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Aug 22nd, 2021 06:10 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1599th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Even Jim Cornette loved it: “It wasn’t the way I would have done it, it was a lot better. It was perfect. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. 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With Daniel Bryanson coming in, I think AEW have enough fresh matches to keep them going for a couple of years without gambling on Wyatt. If he's being brought in to be a manager and occasional wrestler (tag matches ONLY) then that could work. There’s no way you don’t sign Wyatt when he becomes available. Let him run his ideas his way and see what happens. You have to take a chance. If you don’t take Strowman because you have too much talent, then I get that. As dumb as this may sound…I would program Wyatt to immediately go after Big Money Matt Hardy, just to break him. Matt Hardy has no room on Dynamite or Rampage with any gimmick but with Dark and Elevation, it could become like WCW Saturday Night was at the end - separate storylines that don’t really get covered on the main shows but will draw you in and make you want to watch. And Broken Matt Hardy still has fans. And I would think Jeff will be coming in eventually. Bray Wyatt’s weakest facet so far has been wrestling, but that could be intentional based on how they booked his character. Another thing - Wyatt and Strowman could come in and clean out the Dark Order of some of the hangers on, make it a four person group - and keep paying respect to -1 on those days that the kid is in the house - and then the Dark Order could become what it was going to under Brodie Lee. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017
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Posted: Mon Aug 23rd, 2021 09:34 am PM Quote Reply 1601st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Short version: the Bucks last night gave a strong hint that Adam Cole is heading to AEW.
Long version: In a very early episode of BTE, when Adam Cole signed for WWE, the story on BTE was that he had died. The Bucks posted a link to a YouTube video about seances.
The story doing the rounds is that Cole did not sign a new WWE contract after his meeting with Vince.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Short version: the Bucks last night gave a strong hint that Adam Cole is heading to AEW.
Long version: In a very early episode of BTE, when Adam Cole signed for WWE, the story on BTE was that he had died. The Bucks posted a link to a YouTube video about seances.
The story doing the rounds is that Cole did not sign a new WWE contract after his meeting with Vince.
Let’s spend the last month denigrating indy wrestlers and everything they stand for and making it clear we don’t respect them and they have no future here.
Also, let’s see if we can re-sign Adam Cole.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Adam Cole also used his wife’s Lockjaw finisher last night, which is probably the ultimate “I don’t give a fuck” moment. I didn’t even catch it, but it lit Twitter up.
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Posted: Mon Aug 23rd, 2021 06:48 pm PM Quote Reply 1604th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Adam Cole also used his wife’s Lockjaw finisher last night, which is probably the ultimate “I don’t give a fuck” moment. I didn’t even catch it, but it lit Twitter up.
I assume he took his inspiration from Edge doing the Glam Slam on Rollins.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Adam Cole also used his wife’s Lockjaw finisher last night, which is probably the ultimate “I don’t give a fuck” moment. I didn’t even catch it, but it lit Twitter up.
I assume he took his inspiration from Edge doing the Glam Slam on Rollins.
That was shouted from the rooftops by the announcers, who were probably clued in that he was going to do it so they would call it right. Surprisingly, there was no mention of Brittsburgh in NXT though. In fact, I’m pretty sure the entire cities of Pittsburgh and Chicago will be banned from the vernacular now like they’re hospitals or belts.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Final ratings aren’t in yet but all signs point to Rampage doing over 1 million. Punk’s segment in the first 15 minutes could match Smackdown’s typical 2 million, but breakdowns and final numbers aren’t available yet.
Also, in 72 hours CM Punk’s new AEW shirt shattered every record on ProWrestlingTees, despite the site crashing Friday night due to the servers being unable to handle the demand. The previous record was the Bullet Club Bone Soldier shirt, and this easily surpassed that.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Final ratings aren’t in yet but all signs point to Rampage doing over 1 million. Punk’s segment in the first 15 minutes could match Smackdown’s typical 2 million, but breakdowns and final numbers aren’t available yet.
Also, in 72 hours CM Punk’s new AEW shirt shattered every record on ProWrestlingTees, despite the site crashing Friday night due to the servers being unable to handle the demand. The previous record was the Bullet Club Bone Soldier shirt, and this easily surpassed that.
Meltzer now reporting the official numbers. Rampage did 1,129,000, up from 740,000 the week before. It did a 0.53 in the 18-49 demo, the 2nd best number for any AEW show ever, and a number that would beat most Raws. In the Chicago market, it did a 1.70 in that demo, which basically is not anything that any market has seen for wrestling in more than 20 years. Social media activity was at an all-time high in AEW history during and following the show, with millions watching clips on YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook. Obviously this brings ratings down for anything these days, but if you add up all the various ways fans could’ve seen Punk’s return, it exceeds 8 million.
I didn't see the quarterly numbers though and would be very curious about them in this case.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Final ratings aren’t in yet but all signs point to Rampage doing over 1 million. Punk’s segment in the first 15 minutes could match Smackdown’s typical 2 million, but breakdowns and final numbers aren’t available yet.
Also, in 72 hours CM Punk’s new AEW shirt shattered every record on ProWrestlingTees, despite the site crashing Friday night due to the servers being unable to handle the demand. The previous record was the Bullet Club Bone Soldier shirt, and this easily surpassed that.
Meltzer now reporting the official numbers. Rampage did 1,129,000, up from 740,000 the week before. It did a 0.53 in the 18-49 demo, the 2nd best number for any AEW show ever, and a number that would beat most Raws. In the Chicago market, it did a 1.70 in that demo, which basically is not anything that any market has seen for wrestling in more than 20 years. Social media activity was at an all-time high in AEW history during and following the show, with millions watching clips on YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook. Obviously this brings ratings down for anything these days, but if you add up all the various ways fans could’ve seen Punk’s return, it exceeds 8 million.
I didn't see the quarterly numbers though and would be very curious about them in this case.
The first quarter hour did 1,341,000 so AEW actually didn’t lose that many after the Punk segment.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Britt Baker gave an interview talking about how much she’d like AJ Lee to join the AEW roster. She said she was a big fan and had her trainer teach her the Black Widow when she was just getting started. She teased a mixed tag match of Punk and AJ vs. her and Adam Cole, without ever mentioning her husband by name.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: The current story is that Adam Cole has not signed a new WWE contract and that his contract ends at the end of the week, which could mean the end of August. Hw won't have a no compete, so he could appear as early as next week's Dynamite. Surely it's lock that he joins AEW.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24th, 2021 08:11 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1611th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: The current story is that Adam Cole has not signed a new WWE contract and that his contract ends at the end of the week, which could mean the end of August. Hw won't have a no compete, so he could appear as early as next week's Dynamite. Surely it's lock that he joins AEW.
AEW seems like a done deal. If he was going to re-sign, he would've before Takeover and been ready to appear on Raw or SD! this week or next, probably as early as last night. All reports indicate that he personally met with Vince, and they couldn't come to terms. I can't see them revisiting that. I can also see Vince saying, "Fuck that midget, let him go."
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Video from AEW previewing tonight's Dynamite:
<A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjWoThIDLTU" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjWoThIDLTUA>
It's mostly backstage stuff about the production of Punk's debut, but there's an interesting bit in the middle promoting Omega and Christian. They got the old footage that Don Callis has been talking from Canada, and there are also interviews with Lance Storm and Tony Condello in there. A nice deep dive that they didn't really need to do unless they wanted to please wrestling nerds like us.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Video from AEW previewing tonight's Dynamite:
<A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjWoThIDLTU" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjWoThIDLTUA>
It's mostly backstage stuff about the production of Punk's debut, but there's an interesting bit in the middle promoting Omega and Christian. They got the old footage that Don Callis has been talking from Canada, and there are also interviews with Lance Storm and Tony Condello in there. A nice deep dive that they didn't really need to do unless they wanted to please wrestling nerds like us.
AEW is starting to find their sweet spot between booking for the mainstream and placating the super hardcores. Nothing will ever be perfect and even I never would’ve found this if it wasn’t pointed out because there’s too much content online, but they make a good effort.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: The rumor is that Raw’s 24/7 skit involving the ice cream truck was somehow a shot at Punk and his ice cream bars. If it was, it’s incomprehensible as to what the shot was, but that’s Raw writing for you. They can’t even throw shade right.
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Posted: Thu Aug 26th, 2021 03:05 pm PM Quote Reply 1616th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Last night's show was unspectacular, average even for Dynamite. It still flew by and was way easier to watch than Raw. It was actually a great storyline builder for the PPV, but nothing can compete with Punk debuting. Punk pretty much told everyone that Danielson is coming in soon. AEW has had some epic moments recently, and there were none on this show, but if this is the baseline, I can happily watch 4 shows a week of this and happily fill my wrestling belly.
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On his Fangin' N Bangin' podcast, Gangrel mentioned that he was supposed to appear on last night's AEW Dynamite in Milwaukee, but it got cancelled because of Edge's Brood revival on Smackdown and SummerSlam.
Gangrel said that AEW called him last week about appearing, and he was getting ready to fly out to Milwaukee on Tuesday, but got the call on Monday that they were going in a different direction due to "WWE media stuff." He said he was happy that Edge got to do the homage, but he was worried about losing the opportunity at the same time. He knew the Edge entrance at SummerSlam was the "final nail in the coffin".
He said he called Edge after SummerSlam, and how he was excited that Gangrel might get more bookings and make merch money out of that angle. But once he revealed that AEW cancelled, Edge felt bad and was very apologetic. But he did not hold a grudge against him, and just chalked it up to bad timing.
Gangrel said Edge had been trying to do the Bloodbath angle for nearly three months, and WWE would not approve it because of their PG status. He wanted "red blood" but was told that if it wasn't black, it was not happening. The host asked him that if AEW did get to do a bloodbath angle, if they would also have an issue with doing blood. He replied of course not, bringing up the pizza slice cutter, and people like Cody bleeding on Dynamite.
Gangrel didn't state who his appearance on Dynamite was supposed to be with, but one would assume it would be something to do with Christian given their past.
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On his Fangin' N Bangin' podcast, Gangrel mentioned that he was supposed to appear on last night's AEW Dynamite in Milwaukee, but it got cancelled because of Edge's Brood revival on Smackdown and SummerSlam.
Gangrel said that AEW called him last week about appearing, and he was getting ready to fly out to Milwaukee on Tuesday, but got the call on Monday that they were going in a different direction due to "WWE media stuff." He said he was happy that Edge got to do the homage, but he was worried about losing the opportunity at the same time. He knew the Edge entrance at SummerSlam was the "final nail in the coffin".
He said he called Edge after SummerSlam, and how he was excited that Gangrel might get more bookings and make merch money out of that angle. But once he revealed that AEW cancelled, Edge felt bad and was very apologetic. But he did not hold a grudge against him, and just chalked it up to bad timing.
Gangrel said Edge had been trying to do the Bloodbath angle for nearly three months, and WWE would not approve it because of their PG status. He wanted "red blood" but was told that if it wasn't black, it was not happening. The host asked him that if AEW did get to do a bloodbath angle, if they would also have an issue with doing blood. He replied of course not, bringing up the pizza slice cutter, and people like Cody bleeding on Dynamite.
Gangrel didn't state who his appearance on Dynamite was supposed to be with, but one would assume it would be something to do with Christian given their past.
Gangrel should have been with Edge at SummerSlam.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: After Rampage went off the, Punk came out to send the fans home happy with Christian and Kazarian.
<A HREF="https://youtu.be/MdBK4GX_xDY" TARGET="_blank">https://youtu.be/MdBK4GX_xDYA>
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I liked Christian's comment about Punk being a good surprise.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Ringside News has an exclusive reporting that Jim Ross is about to semi-retire and transition out of a full-time commentary role. He will be used for some big matches to add gravitas, but he will mostly host sit-down interviews, provide comments for the mini-documentaries that AEW airs before PPVs, and promote the company on social media and in personal appearances. According to AEW, this is Ross' decision as he recognizes that AEW has a bunch of talented, young commentators who are probably better suited for the role right now. Ross will still be backstage most weeks to help produce them, particularly Paul Wight and Mark Henry. Both sides are supposedly very happy with this arrangement and Ross is expected to sign a contract extension for his new role, so he is not returning to WWE. Ross will turn 70 in January and wants to lighten his load around that time.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Some reports circulating that Daniel Bryan’s debut will be moved up to All Out. For months it had been assumed that Bryan would debut at the Queens show, but that may have changed. Either way, he’s a lock to show up in September.
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Posted: Sat Aug 28th, 2021 09:59 pm PM Quote Reply 1623rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Some reports circulating that Daniel Bryan’s debut will be moved up to All Out. For months it had been assumed that Bryan would debut at the Queens show, but that may have changed. Either way, he’s a lock to show up in September.
I think Bryan needs to debut wrestling. Not that he's a bad promo, but his legacy will always be his in-ring work. Before he signed for WWE, he won the Observer "best technical wrestler" award for five years straight. They should have a match with a "mystery opponent" but do the same not-really-a-secret build that Punk got. Can't have another debut where the guy just talks. Fans would lose their shit if Final Countdown started playing when a mystery opponent was announced to be coming to the ring. I say that in full knowledge that he hasn't used that music in over ten years, and never on national television.
While I'm being loser and fantasy booking... Have Adam Cole debut as a heel on Wednesday and issue an open challenge for the PPV, answered by Bryan Danielson. Last edited on Sat Aug 28th, 2021 10:05 pm by Kriss
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Posted: Mon Aug 30th, 2021 10:54 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1624th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Ringside News has an exclusive reporting that Jim Ross is about to semi-retire and transition out of a full-time commentary role. He will be used for some big matches to add gravitas, but he will mostly host sit-down interviews, provide comments for the mini-documentaries that AEW airs before PPVs, and promote the company on social media and in personal appearances. According to AEW, this is Ross' decision as he recognizes that AEW has a bunch of talented, young commentators who are probably better suited for the role right now. Ross will still be backstage most weeks to help produce them, particularly Paul Wight and Mark Henry. Both sides are supposedly very happy with this arrangement and Ross is expected to sign a contract extension for his new role, so he is not returning to WWE. Ross will turn 70 in January and wants to lighten his load around that time.
Jim Ross is saying “this is news to me”.
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Posted: Thu Sep 2nd, 2021 05:41 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1625th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I assume Adam Cole has signed. Britt Baker tonight teased a big new signing, then said it was herself because she signed a contract extension. The announcers coyly remarked about it and asked, “Were you expecting someone else?” I think we know that AEW isn’t teasing people that aren’t a lock at this point.
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Posted: Thu Sep 2nd, 2021 08:57 am PM Quote Reply 1626th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Based on nothing but my own hunch, I think Tony Khan is regretting bringing in Andrade. Just from watching the guy, he doesn't have the same attitude as the rest of the locker room. He's much more of the selfish old-school mentality. I've very rarely seen him have a good match, but the fact that I have seen him have a few great matches tells me a lot about him (he's lazy and doesn't want to put anyone over). His desire to bring in his whole family is no good either. I have no desire to see Charlotte Flair in AEW, and I don't even see the value in bringing in Ric Flair for more than a one-shot nostalgia pop. Ric won't want to have the background role that Sting, Jake, Tully and Arn are doing (extremely well), and AEW shouldn't be building angles around Flair. I doubt Chavo fits into the AEW locker room either.
The past couple of weeks, the build for Pac vs Andrade has taken place on Dark, making this the only PPV match that AEW have ever built up on that show. They have also put very little effort into the build.
I know Tony Khan is a big fan of Meltzer and reads the observer. The Observer has championed a few wrestlers from Mexico who turned out to be only mediocre talents when they came to the US (Konnan, Vampiro, Calisto, and now La Sombra come to mind).
Maybe my judgment is clouded because I have never liked Andrade, but I don't think we'll see much of him in AEW after Sunday.
EDIT: The Andrade vs Pac match has been taken off the PPV due to Pac having travel issues. If Pac went back to the UK recently, this would be valid, but also stupid on his part, since the advice to Green Card holders was not to leave the US, since the Green Card doesn't allow you automatic re-entry into the US. Last edited on Thu Sep 2nd, 2021 02:11 pm by Kriss
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Posted: Thu Sep 2nd, 2021 02:57 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1627th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Based on nothing but my own hunch, I think Tony Khan is regretting bringing in Andrade. Just from watching the guy, he doesn't have the same attitude as the rest of the locker room. He's much more of the selfish old-school mentality. I've very rarely seen him have a good match, but the fact that I have seen him have a few great matches tells me a lot about him (he's lazy and doesn't want to put anyone over). His desire to bring in his whole family is no good either. I have no desire to see Charlotte Flair in AEW, and I don't even see the value in bringing in Ric Flair for more than a one-shot nostalgia pop. Ric won't want to have the background role that Sting, Jake, Tully and Arn are doing (extremely well), and AEW shouldn't be building angles around Flair. I doubt Chavo fits into the AEW locker room either.
The past couple of weeks, the build for Pac vs Andrade has taken place on Dark, making this the only PPV match that AEW have ever built up on that show. They have also put very little effort into the build.
I know Tony Khan is a big fan of Meltzer and reads the observer. The Observer has championed a few wrestlers from Mexico who turned out to be only mediocre talents when they came to the US (Konnan, Vampiro, Calisto, and now La Sombra come to mind).
Maybe my judgment is clouded because I have never liked Andrade, but I don't think we'll see much of him in AEW after Sunday.
EDIT: The Andrade vs Pac match has been taken off the PPV due to Pac having travel issues. If Pac went back to the UK recently, this would be valid, but also stupid on his part, since the advice to Green Card holders was not to leave the US, since the Green Card doesn't allow you automatic re-entry into the US.
NXT built an angle around Andrade being lazy and selfish, which I assume was a rib on him for being lazy and selfish. They were doing very little with him at that point, but the angle led to him getting Zelina Vega as his manager and having the best series of matches he's ever had in WWE with Johnny Gargano. He never came close to replicating those, but he also hasn't been given much of a chance. The only really high profile match he's had in all those years where you'd expect him to have his working shoes on and being able to do what he wanted was that Triplemania main event against Kenny Omega, and that one was average and Andrade got into it with Meltzer for saying so. But I'd like to see how that PAC match and a few others go in AEW before judging him too much.
And not wanting Charlotte is ridiculous. She's 100x more valuable than Andrade to the average fan, or to a lot of the former WWE talents for that matter. She's considered by far the best women's wrestler in the world over the past few years to the mainstream, so regardless of personal opinions, you clearly bring her in and push her to the moon at the first opportunity. It's not like AEW has any other female options other than Britt Baker anyway. The division has gotten much better, but not to the point where any of the other women are that over.
I don't see Ric Flair the same way as you either. He'll have his big debut and then do whatever you want him to do. He can be a background player and mostly has for years, and I think he understands that. Sting has been used great as just a mentor to Darby after an early push that made me worry how much they'd use him, and I'm sure Flair will be more of the same.
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Posted: Thu Sep 2nd, 2021 03:27 pm PM Quote Reply 1628th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I think the AEW women's division got a major shot in the arm with Anna Jay returning. A genuine pop when she came out, so the people in the arena knew who she was and weren't just there to see Punk. I think it may have been a surprise to Tay Conti as well, or that was great acting, because she seemed so happy to see her friend.
Not to post a spoiler for those who don't know, but the Joker in the casino battle royal on Sunday will be another great addition to the women's division.
I think the AEW women's roster is stronger, and definitely deeper than either Raw or Smackdown. If you combined all the women in WWE across the 4 brands, then yeah, they have a better roster though.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Very good Ruby Soho teaser video, very professionally produced presumably by AEW. The band Rancid gave her the rights to the name and song for free.
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Back in my days doing audio production, I loved using a filter effect of hearing sounds or music muffled but audible, like a concert playing in a club as you approach, then switching to normal as a door gets opened. Love the subtlety of the graffiti messages and the use of the ID cards, especially the Ruby Soho card which EXPIRES: NEVER.
Aside from AEW being a vehicle for artists to get exposure for their songs, are there a lot of examples of bands aligning with talent to secure deals as a trend? I noticed Moxley channeling Rick Vaughn with the Wild Thing entrance and Cult of Personality for sure, but I'm old, so I don't recognize a lot of the modern music straight away. Contrasted with the perception that WWE doesn't want to pay for artist royalties, I can see where fans of an artist might check out the AEW shows just to see how the music is utilized. I can't say I'm a huge enthusiast of Ruby but the music seems to fit her presentation and maybe that's why some of these video packages resonate with me, more than WWE's attempts to take unique performers and pasteurize them equally, and then serve up as canned hams.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Back in my days doing audio production, I loved using a filter effect of hearing sounds or music muffled but audible, like a concert playing in a club as you approach, then switching to normal as a door gets opened. Love the subtlety of the graffiti messages and the use of the ID cards, especially the Ruby Soho card which EXPIRES: NEVER.
Aside from AEW being a vehicle for artists to get exposure for their songs, are there a lot of examples of bands aligning with talent to secure deals as a trend? I noticed Moxley channeling Rick Vaughn with the Wild Thing entrance and Cult of Personality for sure, but I'm old, so I don't recognize a lot of the modern music straight away. Contrasted with the perception that WWE doesn't want to pay for artist royalties, I can see where fans of an artist might check out the AEW shows just to see how the music is utilized. I can't say I'm a huge enthusiast of Ruby but the music seems to fit her presentation and maybe that's why some of these video packages resonate with me, more than WWE's attempts to take unique performers and pasteurize them equally, and then serve up as canned hams.
Tony Khan personally bought the '80s hit "Tarzan Boy" by Baltimora for Jungle Boy for his birthday since he always used it on the indies.
All the companies, even WWE, have collaborated with some smaller artists over the years on theme songs. The Indiana-based rock band Downstait have done a ton of great theme songs. They've worked with Cody Rhodes on both his WWE and AEW songs and are responsible for the songs of The Miz, Dolph Ziggler, Zack Ryder, and tons of others. If it's good and not done by Jim Johnston, it was probably Downstait. If it sucks and is generic, it's probably the new in-house team. WWE also used the duo CFO$ for a few years before issues with their publisher forced that relationship to end.
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All Elite Wrestling has hired Shane Emerson for the position of Head of Global Programming and Partnerships. Emerson started with the company this week.
In that role, Emerson will be spearheading the company's international expansion on all fronts, including licensing, partnerships and strategies.
Emerson held a similar role for Impact Wrestling from 2011 to 2017 and in recent years had been with Ramsey Solutions, a financial counseling company.
Emerson was very well liked during his time with Impact as someone who got a lot of international business done.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Back in my days doing audio production, I loved using a filter effect of hearing sounds or music muffled but audible, like a concert playing in a club as you approach, then switching to normal as a door gets opened. Love the subtlety of the graffiti messages and the use of the ID cards, especially the Ruby Soho card which EXPIRES: NEVER.
Aside from AEW being a vehicle for artists to get exposure for their songs, are there a lot of examples of bands aligning with talent to secure deals as a trend? I noticed Moxley channeling Rick Vaughn with the Wild Thing entrance and Cult of Personality for sure, but I'm old, so I don't recognize a lot of the modern music straight away. Contrasted with the perception that WWE doesn't want to pay for artist royalties, I can see where fans of an artist might check out the AEW shows just to see how the music is utilized. I can't say I'm a huge enthusiast of Ruby but the music seems to fit her presentation and maybe that's why some of these video packages resonate with me, more than WWE's attempts to take unique performers and pasteurize them equally, and then serve up as canned hams.
Tony Khan personally bought the '80s hit "Tarzan Boy" by Baltimora for Jungle Boy for his birthday since he always used it on the indies.
All the companies, even WWE, have collaborated with some smaller artists over the years on theme songs. The Indiana-based rock band Downstait have done a ton of great theme songs. They've worked with Cody Rhodes on both his WWE and AEW songs and are responsible for the songs of The Miz, Dolph Ziggler, Zack Ryder, and tons of others. If it's good and not done by Jim Johnston, it was probably Downstait. If it sucks and is generic, it's probably the new in-house team. WWE also used the duo CFO$ for a few years before issues with their publisher forced that relationship to end.
I think WWE (more like WWF) was more interested in working with different artists to make entrance music when selling compilation CDs was still something to make some money with. Hits and misses with Kid Rock, Motorhead, Uncle Cracker, Rob Zombie and Alter Bridge off the top of my head. In more recent times, they have kept the entrance themes in-house (with one or two notable exceptions - Punk with Killswitch Engage then Living Colour, and Rhonda Rousey come to mind), but the NXT TakeOver "official themes" were quite often decent (and brand new) alternative music songs. That'll all be over now, of course. I thought CFO$ were pretty decent, at least they made entrance music from a wide range of genres. Bobby Roode's Glorious theme even managed to chart. Shasha Banks' theme before the heel remix was a decent tune, and when Blake & Murphy came out to some dub-step, it's not my thing, but I liked the variety. I always enjoyed Poppy's live performances as well. At his best, Vince has always jumped onto pop culture at least 5 years late since the 90s. Maybe he got stuck in the 80s, because he was right on the money with MTV and Mr. T. Last edited on Sat Sep 4th, 2021 02:40 pm by Kriss
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Posted: Mon Sep 6th, 2021 10:45 am PM Quote Reply 1634th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I haven't watched any AEW in a long, long time so I was going into this knowing Punk was wrestling Darby Allin and not much else. ***SOME SPOILERS BELOW***
Miro v Kingston was good aside from the finish. I thought both guys looked very good. I hated the ending where the referee stopped them using the turnbuckle as it's out of kilter with nearly all referee behavior for the rest of the show. I didn't like Jon Moxley v Kojima at all, but I don't like Jon Moxley at all.The after match shit with Suzuki was not good either but the crowd was into it. Britt Baker v Kris Statlander was pretty good too I thought. I almost turned off the tagteam cage match after about 30 seconds as I hate the Young Bucks and there was plenty to hate in this- lots of contrived stupid shit. But... I did get into it , there were great bits when they weren't doing incredibly choreographed garbage and I did get into the Lucha brothers who looked GREAT. The crowd went bananas for the finish. Glad I stuck with it. Women's battle royal I skipped Jericho v MJF- Jericho is a face now, apparently. Awful ring intro from Fozzy's guitarist. Match was ok, Jericho didn't look quite as bloated and old as last time I saw him. MJF is fucking brilliant though. Outstanding. Punk v Allin was very good from start to finish. Punk looked like he hadn't lost a step. Allin came out of it looking great too I thought. Big Show v QT Marshall: Awful. the match went about 4 minutes, and if it had been a straight squash I wouldn't have minded. Marshall's goosn were both thrown out at the start, BWight was kocked off his feet after 2 minutes, bey the end the the two goons had been brought BACK in and thrown out again and Wight won. Paul Wight looked ok until he started moving and then he looked terrible. Omega v Christian : Christian is still very good. I don't like Omega but this was not the worst match I've seen of him. It wasn't great. HUUUUUUUGE pops for the surprises at the end. I think it's hotshotting to do it like that but it was good in the moment.
To be honest it's the best PPV I've seen in a long time, the crowd was great and I might tune in to the next TV to see what happens. Things I didn't like: Excalibur is awful. I used to think he was pretty good but i couldn't stick him tonight. Several times I said 'what the fuck are you talking about?' when he was babbling on and on instead of focusing on what was in front of him. Stables: why so many? It seemed everyone came out with their friends, who then disappeared some came back at the end to congratulate/commiserate . Is EVERYONE in a stable? Agenting: Maybe the wrong word for it but I don't know what the right word is. Example: Britt Baker does a Canadian Destroyer in a match, gets a huge pop. Lucha Brothers do one in the very next match off the top rope. Maybe I'm nitpicking and maybe that move is now run-of-the-mill (I doubt it, based on the pops) but it strikes me as a little disjointed to see it twice in a row. This was a good/very good show overall I thought.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I guess no one watched All Out. You didn't miss much. A couple of dives. Jim Cornette is right. AEW sucks.
Maybe the best PPV ever. I usually consider WM 17 the bar but last night was pretty damn close if it didn’t surpass that.
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Posted: Mon Sep 6th, 2021 04:22 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1639th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I guess no one watched All Out. You didn't miss much. A couple of dives. Jim Cornette is right. AEW sucks.
And not that anyone is booking for Cornette, but if he doesn’t RAVE about that Punk-Allin match then he’s too biased to continue doing this. That was as good a match at combining old school wrestling in the modern environment that you’ll ever see. And because it was Punk in Chicago, he had the fans captivated and no one complained about the slower pace.
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And not that anyone is booking for Cornette, but if he doesn’t RAVE about that Punk-Allin match then he’s too biased to continue doing this. That was as good a match at combining old school wrestling in the modern environment that you’ll ever see. And because it was Punk in Chicago, he had the fans captivated and no one complained about the slower pace. The Punk/Allin match was the best match I’ve seen in I don’t know how long. Absolutely perfect. That’s real pro wrestling.
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To Srossi, WM 17 gets my vote for best ever but as I mentioned I went into this AEW one cold, didn't know anything about angles or who's who and thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 6th, 2021 04:55 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1644th Post srossi
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To Srossi, WM 17 gets my vote for best ever but as I mentioned I went into this AEW one cold, didn't know anything about angles or who's who and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Multiple angles were wrapped up last night and then they started a huge new one at the end. One of the things that struck me was how well each match was built and the meaning behind it. Jericho-MJF was the culmination of an angle that started on the earliest episodes of Dynamite 2 years ago, and everything else had a reason and a purpose too. It very much reminded me of old ECW. You also could’ve legitimately ended that PPV with 4 different main events, and I thought they chose the wrong one, but obviously the reason that match went on last was to set-up the post-match surprises. But that’s a well-built show when so many matches can close.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I guess no one watched All Out. You didn't miss much. A couple of dives. Jim Cornette is right. AEW sucks.
Maybe the best PPV ever. I usually consider WM 17 the bar but last night was pretty damn close if it didn’t surpass that.
I was facetious, if that wasn't obvious. I was just surprised that there wasn't a single post after the event. I was expecting a few people to be be posting live along with the show.
I thought the show was awesome. The only match that wasn't great was the Paul Wight-QT Marshall match, and no one was expecting anything from that. I thought the show was perfectly pitched at every level. If you are a super-hardcore fan, there were lots of nice references. If you only watch Dynamite, these matches were all important matches within the overall AEW story. And if you are new to AEW, there were familiar faces and great introductions to people you wouldn't know if you only watch WWE. WM 17 has a few matches that are easily skippable, but AEW haven't had their Rock-Austin moment yet so I'll say they are equally excellent examples of wrestling PPVs from their own era. WM 17 was certainly a bookend of one era of wrestling, and I wonder if this show will be equally important.
ironically, I think this show will boost Raw tonight, because people will want to see if Vince will react.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I guess no one watched All Out. You didn't miss much. A couple of dives. Jim Cornette is right. AEW sucks.
Maybe the best PPV ever. I usually consider WM 17 the bar but last night was pretty damn close if it didn’t surpass that.
I was facetious, if that wasn't obvious.
You sure had me fooled.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Cornette goes over the top on some of his criticism but he won't with Allin and Punk. Really good match.
To Srossi, WM 17 gets my vote for best ever but as I mentioned I went into this AEW one cold, didn't know anything about angles or who's who and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Multiple angles were wrapped up last night and then they started a huge new one at the end. One of the things that struck me was how well each match was built and the meaning behind it. Jericho-MJF was the culmination of an angle that started on the earliest episodes of Dynamite 2 years ago, and everything else had a reason and a purpose too. It very much reminded me of old ECW. You also could’ve legitimately ended that PPV with 4 different main events, and I thought they chose the wrong one, but obviously the reason that match went on last was to set-up the post-match surprises. But that’s a well-built show when so many matches can close.
As someone who gave up on AEW ages ago and just tuned in for Punk it does make me want to watch more. I'm sure I'm not the only one who either came back or tried AEW for the first time due to Punk. I recently watched that NXT PPV which was great only to be informed that it was the worst possible time to start watching NXT. I think AEW might really be going in the right direction now. The production side of things in AEW seems better than the last time I watched it, which was well over a year ago. The buildup clip packages are great (and brought me up to speed on those angles). They've got a good mix of known stars and 'homegrown' (non-WWE) wrestlers. They've got a hot, engaged crowd, which I don't think can be said for WWE anymore. There was great energy last night.
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Joined: Mon Dec 27th, 2010 Location: Home Of The Redskins, You Candy Asses. , Washington USA Posts: 10482 Status: Offline Mana: This was the first AEW PPV I watched start to finish, uninterrupted at least and I was impressed. AEW still has a ways to go and hopefully they won't become the bloated joke that WCW became.
What I will say and realized it as I was making my picks in the PPV pool is that I felt that the winners of each match might have been a little too predictable. I like being swerved from time to time but this card felt a little something like watching the weekly AWA TV show in my area and knowing the winners of each match before they started. Better quality matches obviously as was pointed out in the AEW pool thread Punk wasn't going to lose in his return, Jericho wasn't retiring, Paul Wight was for all intents and purposes given a TV squash match, TBA was winning the women's Battle Royale in all likelihood , Omega wasn't going to lose to Christian and even in the Tag Title match it was time for Lucha Bros. to win, even if they only hold the belts for a short time.
For those who did not watch and would like to see the PPV it is apparently up on YouTube in it's entirety.
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Posted: Mon Sep 6th, 2021 06:29 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1649th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Meltzer says the placement of the Wight-QT match wasn’t just a cool-down, it was also a timing issue. If the show was running long, it could’ve ended in 30 seconds. If it was running short, they could drag it out a bit with the outside interference bells and whistles. So the 4-minute match was slightly long IMO but really not a big deal either way. It was strategically done.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: So the opening exchange from Punk-Allin was an homage to Bret-123 Kid from Raw I 1994! That's a hell of a deep cut.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: More than a couple of dozen WWE talents were tweeting along with All Out last night, expressing happiness over their friends joining AEW. In particular, they seemed most happy for Ruby Soho and the reception she got after her release, but there were lots of comments about Danielson and Cole too. Only Pat McAfee stayed in character, saying he chased Cole out of WWE, which is a bit of a late reference considering how long ago their feud was. Everyone rise was very complimentary. I have to wonder if Vince starts feeling the heat and starts to see how many of his stars are jealous of greener pastures, if he won’t issue a mandate about tweeting about AEW.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: More than a couple of dozen WWE talents were tweeting along with All Out last night, expressing happiness over their friends joining AEW. In particular, they seemed most happy for Ruby Soho and the reception she got after he release, but there were lots of comments about Danielson and Cole too. Only Pat McAfee stayed in character, saying he chased Cole out of WWE, which is a bit of a late reference considering how long ago their feud was. Everyone rise was very complimentary. I have to wonder if Vince starts feeling the heat and starts to see how many of his stars are jealous of greener pastures, if he won’t issue a mandate about tweeting about AEW.
McAfee offered Cole a job as his his personal assistant when he became a free agent last week.
Speaking of decrees, I wonder if Tony Khan asked his new signings not to badmouth WWE. There have been a few veiled references from Punk, but we haven't had anything close to the promos we got when people were jumping during the Monday Night War. I hate myself that I really want to watch Raw tonight to see if they reference All Out at all.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: More than a couple of dozen WWE talents were tweeting along with All Out last night, expressing happiness over their friends joining AEW. In particular, they seemed most happy for Ruby Soho and the reception she got after he release, but there were lots of comments about Danielson and Cole too. Only Pat McAfee stayed in character, saying he chased Cole out of WWE, which is a bit of a late reference considering how long ago their feud was. Everyone rise was very complimentary. I have to wonder if Vince starts feeling the heat and starts to see how many of his stars are jealous of greener pastures, if he won’t issue a mandate about tweeting about AEW.
McAfee offered Cole a job as his his personal assistant when he became a free agent last week.
Speaking of decrees, I wonder if Tony Khan asked his new signings not to badmouth WWE. There have been a few veiled references from Punk, but we haven't had anything close to the promos we got when people were jumping during the Monday Night War. I hate myself that I really want to watch Raw tonight to see if they reference All Out at all.
They won’t.
And McAfee is just about the only good thing about WWE right now, but Graves started out with so much potential too until Michael Cole and Kevin Dunn “trained him” and made him insufferable. McAfee would probably just walk out before that happened to him because he has money and outside ventures, but I hope they just leave him be.
As for Khan, don’t poke the bear. WWE is comatose and in their own world, and Vince probably legitimately has no idea about half of what’s going on, so don’t say anything too bad to wake him up. He should be smart enough to see the momentum turn, but I don’t think he is, so keep letting it sneak up on him. I think Punk probably didn’t want to directly mention them though, and the shot with him saying he left wrestling when he left ROH was more than enough. Danielson won’t knock WWE either, and has no reason to.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: One negative from last night. Fozzy's guitarist is fucking awful. Not his full that he was too loud, but when he started improvising over the tune, it really fucked up the fans singing. Jericho looked a bit annoyed at this. After the amazing a capella version a couple of weeks ago, this was a bad call. Last edited on Mon Sep 6th, 2021 08:17 pm by Kriss
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Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote:
Speaking of decrees, I wonder if Tony Khan asked his new signings not to badmouth WWE. There have been a few veiled references from Punk, but we haven't had anything close to the promos we got when people were jumping during the Monday Night War. I hate myself that I really want to watch Raw tonight to see if they reference All Out at all. No need to mention WWE at all - makes AWE look as if it is not even thinking of WWE as a rival. You don't need to take potshots at an inferior, you treat it with contempt. That should be the attitude.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: One negative from last night. Fozzy's guitarist is fucking awful. Not his full that he was too loud, but when he started improvising over the tune, it really fucked up the fans singing. Jericho looked a bit annoyed at this. After the amazing a capella version a couple of weeks ago, this was a bad call.
There’s a story there. Rich Ward certainly was supposed to have that gig. He’s the lead guitarist and has been forever. Ward missed these recent Fozzy shows, I can’t remember why. So that was someone else, the rhythm guitarist or the touring fill-in. He’s playing the concerts and so was asked to do the PPV. Unfortunate and without Ward there they should’ve skipped that special entrance, but Jericho wanted to do it. Ward is fantastic and would’ve killed it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 6th, 2021 09:14 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1657th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: So the opening exchange from Punk-Allin was an homage to Bret-123 Kid from Raw I 1994! That's a hell of a deep cut.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: ironically, I think this show will boost Raw tonight, because people will want to see if Vince will react.
In the opening minutes it seems that Vince reacted by going to an old Saturday Night's Main Event opening with the series of promos, which was actually a nice change of pace. That was followed by Matt Riddle doing open mic night in the ring and dying a slow death. Now that crowds are back, it's becoming more obvious how dead WWE crowds are compared to AEW crowds, even though WWE knows how to mic their crowds better. I think most disturbing is the fact that WWE fans don't try to hijack the shows anymore. They don't do anything at all. They don't cheer, they don't boo, they don't laugh, they don't chant boring, they don't chant for CM Punk or Daniel Bryan, they don't bring signs, they don't act like smartasses, they don't act interested, they don't act alive. Raw is like a 3 hour calculus lecture and is utterly devoid of joy or interaction.
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Posted: Tue Sep 7th, 2021 04:41 pm PM Quote Reply 1659th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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In the opening minutes it seems that Vince reacted by going to an old Saturday Night's Main Event opening with the series of promos, which was actually a nice change of pace. That was followed by Matt Riddle doing open mic night in the ring and dying a slow death. Now that crowds are back, it's becoming more obvious how dead WWE crowds are compared to AEW crowds, even though WWE knows how to mic their crowds better. I think most disturbing is the fact that WWE fans don't try to hijack the shows anymore. They don't do anything at all. They don't cheer, they don't boo, they don't laugh, they don't chant boring, they don't chant for CM Punk or Daniel Bryan, they don't bring signs, they don't act like smartasses, they don't act interested, they don't act alive. Raw is like a 3 hour calculus lecture and is utterly devoid of joy or interaction.
Vince brought back Drake Maverick to the main roster, and Jeff Hardy was added to the 24/7 goofs. Who needs Adam Cole?
Vince wasn't at Raw last night, so Bruce Prichard was running the show with Vince on the phone. They probably thought that the gauntlet match was a solid answer to AEW's claim to having the best tag team division in wrestling. Then they had their world champion and his manager win to become number one contenders, just to set up one half of the tag champions challenging for the world title. So they buried their tag team division instead. Maybe their point was that tag teams suck... Last edited on Tue Sep 7th, 2021 04:43 pm by Kriss
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Internal reports indicate that Vince will no longer allow public domain or licensed music that could be used by the competition. He feels like he was burned twice with both CM Punk and Bryan Danielson being able to use their WWE entrance music in AEW, which he feels helped get them over. Danielson's music was the classical piece "Ride of the Valkyries", and in AEW he used a remix version of that song which has been named "Born for Greatness". The new song includes the lyrics "You’re gonna get your fucking head kicked in", one of his old catchphrases in ROH, over a remixed version of "Ride of the Valkyries".
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Internal reports indicate that Vince will no longer allow public domain or licensed music that could be used by the competition. He feels like he was burned twice with both CM Punk and Bryan Danielson being able to use their WWE entrance music in AEW, which he feels helped get them over. Danielson's music was the classical piece "Ride of the Valkyries", and in AEW he used a remix version of that song which has been named "Born for Greatness". The new song includes the lyrics "You’re gonna get your fucking head kicked in", one of his old catchphrases in ROH, over a remixed version of "Ride of the Valkyries".
LOL. He's completely ignoring three things here. Ruby Soho got over huge with a song that she used for the first time, and Tony Khan wanted to buy the rights to Final Countdown but they wanted too much for the license. He's also forgetting all the huge pops that he got when he debuted people with new music. I'm thinking Tazz and Chris Jericho off the top of my head.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: AEW just announced a show for the brand new (not even open yet) UBS Arena in New York, the new home for the New York Islanders, for the December 8 Dynamite. Wikipedia says it holds 18,853 for concerts, so that's another huge show they are running in the New York market. I wonder if/when they will go for a big stadium show. You know Punk wants to wrestle at Wrigley Field, and he spoke about it after the PPV. Last edited on Tue Sep 7th, 2021 05:40 pm by Kriss
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Adam Cole didn't even shout them out
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And as bad as everyone looks same in WWE, they do here as well.
I dunno. They have had a couple moments but this show is still a struggle.
Really need to trim these factions and some of these low level guys out of here. Focus on the good ones.
Cut the fat
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Another good episode but a disappointing main event with Suzuki not being given the time he deserved. It was an Impact type of move to bring in a huge star from Japan and job him so quickly. The blood helped at least. I was expecting a lot more from those 2.
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Of course he is.
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Of course he is.
He is old, but he can still have brutally stiff 20-minute matches on a regular basis.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: The biggest botch last night was cutting off Suzuki's music before the big crowd sing-a-long. Hopefully he gets another match without being squeezed for time at the end of the show.
I thought that was a great show, the only problem being they squeezed too much into one show. One thing you can say is that it the two hours fly by and leave you wanting more. The crowd was amazing again. If they can keep up these crowd reactions, they will be able to build an audience on the back of that.
I really like that they are announcing matches for future episodes, and you know that if they announce a match, it's going to happen. I also like that they use the city they are in to make the most of hometown fans. They have done it in Pittsburgh, Chicago and now Cincinnati. They will be doing it in New York, and it looks like the current Dark Order angle is building to something happening at the show in Rochester, Brodie Lee's hometown. It must make a huge difference for anyone who came from WWE, where they probably dreaded wrestling in their hometown. I hope they do a show in Oklahoma so that JR can get a show where he doesn't get humiliated. Speaking of JR, he has upped his game recently, and he's back to being an excellent announcer.
As far as Moxley, and the criticism that he's been wrestling old Japanese guys recently. I'm pretty sure they are building to a Tanahashi match when they can get all their ducks in a row, and that should be worth the wait. Last edited on Thu Sep 9th, 2021 10:37 am by Kriss
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I really like that they are announcing matches for future episodes, and you know that if they announce a match, it's going to happen. I also like that they use the city they are in to make the most of hometown fans. They have done it in Pittsburgh, Chicago and now Cincinnati. They will be doing it in New York, and it looks like the current Dark Order angle is building to something happening at the show in Rochester, Brodie Lee's hometown. It must make a huge difference for anyone who came from WWE, where they probably dreaded wrestling in their hometown. I hope they do a show in Oklahoma so that JR can get a show where he doesn't get humiliated. Speaking of JR, he has upped his game recently, and he's back to being an excellent announcer.
I noticed that as well and it really makes all the difference, for so many reasons. When you showcase the local talent correctly, you ensure a hot crowd. Plus, you spread the wealth and get to highlight different guys so no one is crammed down anyone's throat. After a couple of weeks of the CM Punk Show in Chicago, he was allowed to be more of a secondary player last night to put over the Pillman family and subtly lead up to the MJF promo. Of course that was fantastic, and then Pillman, Jr., almost forgotten in recent months, got his moment to shine. This is how you keep everyone involved and over. When fans at home hear guys getting big pops, it's human nature to think they're a big deal and then in turn give them a pop when you see them live. Britt Baker is over for the next year based on how Pittsburgh received her alone.
Negatives last night (aside from bringing in Suzuki to sqieeze into a show running long, which is just unacceptable) include an angle that still seems directionless with The Elite and Danielson. Too much star power crammed into one short segment that didn't particularly go anywhere. If the focus will be Omega vs. Danielson going forward, then Cole shouldn't be used as a supporting player in that build-up when his first angle should be something big. And he shouldn't be fed to Danielson on his way to Omega, which I don't think they're doing, but there's too much going on there.
But as always, attention to detail is spot on, with Cole basically targeting Tony Schiavone first and foremost for being too chummy with his wife, which is something I called 2 months ago. Knowing AEW, they might not do anything with that again for 16 months, and then all of a sudden it could be a call-back if they move in the direction of creating friction between Cole and Baker, leading to Baker's eventual babyface turn. They could just let something like that simmer forever, like they did before pulling the trigger on Jericho-MJF.
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Meltzer said it was either Vince McMahon or Bruce Prichard's idea.
Cole became a free agent at the end of August after his already extended NXT contract expired. In an effort to keep him and promote him to the main roster after a four year run in NXT where he had done it all, Cole met with McMahon. It's believed that is where the idea was proposed.
Meltzer said they were looking for a similar dynamic to what Bobby Lashley and Lio Rush had where Rush (the manager) would talk big but hide behind the bigger Lashley when things got physical.
Cole debuted with AEW at All Out, rejoining The Elite at the end of the pay-per-view. He made his Dynamite on-screen debut Wednesday and will take on Frankie Kazarian in his in-ring debut on next week's Dynamite in Newark, New Jersey.
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Posted: Thu Sep 9th, 2021 06:00 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1676th Post srossi
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Meltzer said it was either Vince McMahon or Bruce Prichard's idea.
Cole became a free agent at the end of August after his already extended NXT contract expired. In an effort to keep him and promote him to the main roster after a four year run in NXT where he had done it all, Cole met with McMahon. It's believed that is where the idea was proposed.
Meltzer said they were looking for a similar dynamic to what Bobby Lashley and Lio Rush had where Rush (the manager) would talk big but hide behind the bigger Lashley when things got physical.
Cole debuted with AEW at All Out, rejoining The Elite at the end of the pay-per-view. He made his Dynamite on-screen debut Wednesday and will take on Frankie Kazarian in his in-ring debut on next week's Dynamite in Newark, New Jersey.
I can never follow Meltzer's tweets because there's never any context. Maybe it's him, maybe it's Twitter (which I still don't really get). Meltzer will write something like "Yes" and there will be 500 comments below asking what he's saying "Yes" to, and seemingly no way to know. So what is the actual idea he's talking about here? Was he being put with a particular wrestler?
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One of the ideas for Adam Cole to move up to the WWE main roster was to become a manager for a heel Keith Lee, according to Dave Meltzer on Wrestling Observer Radio.
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I think you're asking why they are in the Elite. The Elite are born from the Bullet Club who are were/are an homage to the nWo. Lots of members at various levels of the card. Also, Omega are such prices that they need a big entourage to male themselves feel important. In matches, it allows the Elite to lose multi-man matches without having one of the top guys being pinned, as happened last week.
Outside of kayfabe, if you could get your best friends a job where you could all hang out together, have fun and get paid well, wouldn't you do it?
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I think you're asking why they are in the Elite. The Elite are born from the Bullet Club who are were/are an homage to the nWo. Lots of members at various levels of the card. Also, Omega are such prices that they need a big entourage to male themselves feel important. In matches, it allows the Elite to lose multi-man matches without having one of the top guys being pinned, as happened last week.
Outside of kayfabe, if you could get your best friends a job where you could all hang out together, have fun and get paid well, wouldn't you do it?
At this point, as contracted Impact talents, it doesn't make any sense for AEW to push them. When their contracts are up and they come to AEW full-time, as they surely will, then they will be used much differently. Right now, it's absolutely just a hang-out among friends. And why not put it on TV for the hardcore fans that remember the glory days of BC?
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And as bad as everyone looks same in WWE, they do here as well.
I dunno. They have had a couple moments but this show is still a struggle.
Really need to trim these factions and some of these low level guys out of here. Focus on the good ones.
Cut the fat
I recently watched the NXT PPV, loved it. Watched their show the next week and haven't watched since, it was bad. I hadn't watched AEW in at least a year and I watched and enjoyed the PPV the other night. I just watched Dynamite after work and enjoyed it for the most part. I'll continue to watch.
Dustin V Black was good, though the finish was botched.
Hobbs looks great. I wondered how old the guy he was wrestling was, he looked like a child. Then an even younger looking guy interfered. Again Hobbs looked great, the opponent looked like his stuff wouldn't hurt a fly.
The CM Punk promo was good, as expected.
MJF reminds me so much of Roddy Piper, despite being very different in many ways. He is gold. And he went pretty far with the promo stuff tonight.
The women's match was also good I thought.
Main event: Bullshit to me. Trading forearms, kicks, bites, etc. Susuki did do one of the better blade jobs I can remember. I had to rewind a couple of times to see where he did it. Is Moxley actually any good? Isn't his move a DDT? The last two match he's tried to get more height to it and turned it into a suplex and it looks like shit.
Other things I liked: -Tazz on commentary. Loved him. -Brian Pillman Jr. I had seen him wrestle but hadn't heard him talk. He's got it. -Announcing matches for future shows. -Under 2 hours!!!
Other things I didn't like: -Schiavone and others swearing sounds very contrived or out of place or something. -Is the Canadian Destroyer used by everyone these days? 2 people did it on the PPV in consecutive matches, Duston Rhodes did one tonight. I'm not crazy about the move anyway but using it all the time really exposes it. Caveat: the crowd loved it each time it was done. -Stables and run ins- there's too much for my liking. Last edited on Thu Sep 9th, 2021 07:59 pm by Jim_Irish
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Forgot to mention the Danielson bit. He was good but I agree with Srossi. Back to my point about too many run-ins, stables, etc.
Also, I thought he'd just slipped up when I recently listened to his podcast but someone needs to tell Jim Ross how to pronounce 'hyperbole'.
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Posted: Thu Sep 9th, 2021 08:59 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1684th Post Angelic Assassin
Joined: Mon Dec 27th, 2010 Location: Home Of The Redskins, You Candy Asses. , Washington USA Posts: 10482 Status: Offline Mana: Have they reached the point where the roster is a little bloated?
They seem to be doing a decent job keeping most people involved and relevant to varying degrees but at some point are they not going to have to cut bait on some people.
The number of factions and the size of them is beginning to remind me(though I am not faithfully watching every second of AEW programming of the mess WCW made with having way too many different NWO groups.
Somebody mentioned cramming a ton of content into a 2 hour program. Has there been talk of going to 3 hours and would that not be a mistake?
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I won't, and it did seem to finish up out of nowhere. It was a bad match and Moxley really does nothing for me.
Good show though, I'll keep tuning in.
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Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/336.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu336')">Angelic Assassina> wrote: Have they reached the point where the roster is a little bloated?
They seem to be doing a decent job keeping most people involved and relevant to varying degrees but at some point are they not going to have to cut bait on some people.
The number of factions and the size of them is beginning to remind me(though I am not faithfully watching every second of AEW programming of the mess WCW made with having way too many different NWO groups.
Somebody mentioned cramming a ton of content into a 2 hour program. Has there been talk of going to 3 hours and would that not be a mistake?
No wrestling show can go three hours weekly it is not possible and not smart..AEW is doing it the right way with 2 shows and the youtube show
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I think you're asking why they are in the Elite. The Elite are born from the Bullet Club who are were/are an homage to the nWo. Lots of members at various levels of the card. Also, Omega are such prices that they need a big entourage to male themselves feel important. In matches, it allows the Elite to lose multi-man matches without having one of the top guys being pinned, as happened last week.
Outside of kayfabe, if you could get your best friends a job where you could all hang out together, have fun and get paid well, wouldn't you do it?
Yesterday they got played when Adam Cole did the rundown and didn't even mention them and then if i am Impact my tag team champs are right there but the young bucks are constantly referred to as the greatest tag team in the planet and my tag champs are right there clapping like a stupid ass baby seal would piss me off...but then again Impact seems to have no problem with their roster looking second rate to AEW...
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They seem to be doing a decent job keeping most people involved and relevant to varying degrees but at some point are they not going to have to cut bait on some people.
The number of factions and the size of them is beginning to remind me(though I am not faithfully watching every second of AEW programming of the mess WCW made with having way too many different NWO groups.
Somebody mentioned cramming a ton of content into a 2 hour program. Has there been talk of going to 3 hours and would that not be a mistake?
No wrestling show can go three hours weekly it is not possible and not smart..AEW is doing it the right way with 2 shows and the youtube show
Yeah. I think with last night's show they wanted to follow up all the hype of the PPV. They don't usually have every top guy on Dynamite every week. I don't know why people are so desperate for AEW to start releasing people.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I forgot to mention this, but Taz was awful last night in his segment with Punk, and then refused to allow it to be saved. I don't know if it was a miscommunication or just one of those things that happens when things are less scripted, but Taz interrupts Punk to tell him not to call out Team Taz members. Punk says no one ever mentioned Team Taz. Taz off-handedly refers to something he said in the press. After a commercial break, someone from the back seems to have fed Schiavone some lines to have the segment make sense, and Schiavone says Taz was referring to some list Punk tweeted out of opponents he wanted to wrestle in AEW, which included Hobbs and Starks. To which Taz, for some bizarre reason, refuted and started arguing with Schiavone. Schiavone just laughed and said "I love you Taz" and the attempt to salvage the feud was ruined. Taz is a pro so for the life of me I can't figure out how he screwed that up twice.
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Posted: Thu Sep 9th, 2021 09:26 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1691st Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Yes that bit was awkward. I didn't mimd it prior to the attempted save, even if it didn't make much sense.
I did like Taz overall.
On the length of the show: they don't need to nor should they go three hours. There were too many top guys on it last night but they had to feature all the new guys. Shouldn't do that each week.
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Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: I forgot to mention this, but Taz was awful last night in his segment with Punk, and then refused to allow it to be saved. I don't know if it was a miscommunication or just one of those things that happens when things are less scripted, but Taz interrupts Punk to tell him not to call out Team Taz members. Punk says no one ever mentioned Team Taz. Taz off-handedly refers to something he said in the press. After a commercial break, someone from the back seems to have fed Schiavone some lines to have the segment make sense, and Schiavone says Taz was referring to some list Punk tweeted out of opponents he wanted to wrestle in AEW, which included Hobbs and Starks. To which Taz, for some bizarre reason, refuted and started arguing with Schiavone. Schiavone just laughed and said "I love you Taz" and the attempt to salvage the feud was ruined.
Man stop nitpicking, i didn't even notice that but you are right it was weird but i still liked the promo and the fued too see what Team Taz can do they have kind of been a jobber faction and wasting time with Cage since they have been formed... so lets see what they can really do
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Posted: Thu Sep 9th, 2021 09:29 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1693rd Post srossi
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Man stop nitpicking, i didn't even notice that but you are right it was weird but i still liked the promo and the fued too see what Team Taz can do they have kind of been a jobber faction and wasting time with Cage since they have been formed... so lets see what they can really do
I thought I was on AEW's payroll, now I'm nitpicking them. lol It's no small thing, Taz fucked up huge twice.
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They seem to be doing a decent job keeping most people involved and relevant to varying degrees but at some point are they not going to have to cut bait on some people.
The number of factions and the size of them is beginning to remind me(though I am not faithfully watching every second of AEW programming of the mess WCW made with having way too many different NWO groups.
Somebody mentioned cramming a ton of content into a 2 hour program. Has there been talk of going to 3 hours and would that not be a mistake?
No wrestling show can go three hours weekly it is not possible and not smart..AEW is doing it the right way with 2 shows and the youtube show
Yeah. I think with last night's show they wanted to follow up all the hype of the PPV. They don't usually have every top guy on Dynamite every week. I don't know why people are so desperate for AEW to start releasing people.
It's not so much about releasing people, but right now it seems like someone new is coming in every week.
It just might get difficult to keep everyone in a storyline. AEW is doing a far better job than WWE obviously who run the same 12 wrestlers out there every week while others sit around doing nothing only to eventually get released.
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Man stop nitpicking, i didn't even notice that but you are right it was weird but i still liked the promo and the fued too see what Team Taz can do they have kind of been a jobber faction and wasting time with Cage since they have been formed... so lets see what they can really do
I thought I was on AEW's payroll, now I'm nitpicking them. lol It's no small thing, Taz fucked up huge twice. Taz isn't always perfect, and I have a gut feeling that Punk's response wasn't what Taz was expecting, either that or he thought something else was going to happen that didn't. Taz rarely looks as bad as he did last night. And he's smart so it's not like he's slipping, something just happened that is out of the ordinary. I hope.
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Posted: Thu Sep 9th, 2021 11:01 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1697th Post srossi
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He's a very good announcer when motivated. I thought last night he got a little too combative at times playing up his heel character, but often on Dark he's playing it straight and is really good.
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Posted: Thu Sep 9th, 2021 11:48 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1698th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I liked the heel bits last night. Each to their own I guess. And I'm conscious that there's something of a novelty factor with all this for me as I haven't been watching. I've just realised it's well over fifteen years since I watched any wrestling on a weekly basis. NXT was dogshit, as you told me. This AEW has promise. Looking forward to next week.
Does Tony Schiavobe wear those earrings every week?
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Posted: Sat Sep 11th, 2021 02:23 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1699th Post srossi
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Not competition my ass. The very first line of the very first show back at MSG was Reigns saying that WWE runs sports entertainment in NYC.
And who wouldn't agree with that? If he had used the w word, then people might have taken him seriously. Also noteworthy that there was no wrestling on the first hour if the show. Whatever that tag match was, it wasn't a wrestling match.
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Posted: Sat Sep 11th, 2021 06:28 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1701st Post srossi
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And who wouldn't agree with that? If he had used the w word, then people might have taken him seriously.
That’s the obvious comeback line that someone in AEW will surely say. This is like the opposite of Vince’s favorite story where Ted Turner calls him to say he’s in the rasslin business. Vince got the punchline there, this one is so easily set up for someone like Danielson to come out in Queens and land the punchline.
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Woo? Last edited on Sat Sep 11th, 2021 06:45 pm by Kriss
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“It’s great to see wrestlers winning in their hometowns! The odds are we won’t see those storybook endings every week, but those were some really great main event moments on Wednesday at #AEWDynamite & now tonight on Friday #AEWRampage, congratulations @jonmoxley & @flyinbrianjr!”
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Brian Pillman, Jr.: “In a bizarre turn of events, the encounter between my pregnant sister and Maxwell Jacob Friedman sent my sister into contractions late last night and she is expected to have a baby today or tomorrow!!! My nephew is about to have the same birthday as me! Surreal week!!!”
MJF: “I Destroyed this inbred family so bad even the fetus wanted to be as far away from it as possible!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!”
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I can't help but notice that when you look at your cable guide for AEW, it describes the specific matches you'll see on that episode.
When you look at it for Raw, every week it says the same thing: "The superstars of the WWE square off in the ring and behind the scenes. For more than 25 years, WWE's greatest -- such as The Undertaker, "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, Becky Lynch and others -- have competed inside the squared circle on 'Raw'."
It literally might as well say, "Absolutely nothing will happen on this show, but remember back when shit did?"
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/142.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu142')">brokea> wrote: The roster is getting extremely bloated - even with 4 weekly shows. They could lend out 10 guys to TNA and still have another 10 guys sinning their wheels.
The problem is that Rampage being only an hour doesn't help much, and Dark and Elevation are probably only watched by the diehards and is pigeon-holed as a jobber show. Stuff does happen on the show, unlike say Main Event or 205 Live, but it's hard to keep up with and I can't dedicate that much time to watch unsigned indy wrestlers and undercard angles. They probably are at the point where after Bray Wyatt they need to stop signing new guys for a long time. There's 100 guys like J.D. Drake who are talented but have had maybe 1 match on Dynamite in the past year.
I like how AEW keeps everyone fresh by rotating guys off and on the shows. No one gets stale, no one gets shove down your throat. I don't care who you are - Jericho, Moxley, etc.- you might not be on Dynamite some weeks, and that's great. But there absolutely are too many virtual unknown floating around now with no chance of getting a mainstream audience to care about them. That said, I'm astounded by the live reaction to almost everyone on a weekly basis. Fuego del Sol seems more over than 95% of the WWE roster, and he's won like 1 match. So they're doing something right.
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Posted: Tue Sep 14th, 2021 04:12 pm PM Quote Reply 1708th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/142.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu142')">brokea> wrote: The roster is getting extremely bloated - even with 4 weekly shows. They could lend out 10 guys to TNA and still have another 10 guys sinning their wheels.
Let's have a look at the AEW roster page, which is everyone who is officially "All Elite" and signed to a contract (**wrestlers who are out long-term). There are 88 men listed:
Main Event: Adam Cole **Adam Page Bryan Danielson Chris Jericho Christian Cage CM Punk Jon Moxley Kenny Omega Matt Jackson & Nick Jackson MJF Penta El Zero M & Rey Fenix
Pushed (under the loosest definition): Andrade el Idolo **Anthony Agogo Brian Cage Cody Rhodes (not full time right now) Darby Allin Dustin Rhodes Eddie Kingston Frankie Kazarian Jake Hager **Kip Sabian Lance Archer Matt Hardy Matt Sydal Miro Malakai Black Orange Cassidy PAC Powerhouse Hobbs Preston "10" Vance QT Marshall Ricky Starks Sammy Guevara Shawn Spears Wardlow
Tag Teams: Alex Reynolds & John Silver Anthony Bowens & Max Caster Angelico & Jack Evans Brian Pillman Jr. & Griff Garrison Chuck Taylor & **Trent (Wheeler Yuta is not signed) Cash Wheeler & Dax Harwood Dante Martin & **Darius Martin Ethan Page & Scorpio Sky Evil Uno & Stu Grayson Isiah Cassidy & Marq Quen Jeff Parker & Matt Lee Jungle Boy & Luchasaurus Luther (& Serpentico who is not signed) Ortiz & Santana The Butcher & The Blade
Not pushed: Aaron Solo Alan "5" Angels Austin Gunn Brandon Cutler Chavo Guerrero Jr. Christopher Daniels Colt Cabana Colten Gunn Fuego del Sol Joey Janela Lee Johnson Mark Henry (commentator) Marko Stunt Michael Nakazawa Mr. Brodie Lee Jr. (a kid)Mr. Brodie Lee (R.I.P.) Nick Comorotto Paul Wight (commentator) Peter Avalon Shawn Dean Sonny Kiss Sting (manager)
Women: Abadon The Bunny Anna Jay Big Swole **Brandi Rhodes (probably not coming back to wrestle full-time) Britt Baker Emi Sakura Hikaru Shida Jade Cargill Jamie Hayter Kris Staatlander Leva Bates (not pushed) Leyla Hirsch Nyla Rose Penelope Ford Rebel (manager) Red Velvet Riho Ruby Soho Serene Deeb Tay Conti Thunder Rosa Yuka Sakazaki
As long as they don't have the same people on every show, which they haven't done for the past two years, this doesn't seem like too many people. I think a lot of the perception of the big roster is because they use a lot of unsigned wrestlers. Last edited on Tue Sep 14th, 2021 04:28 pm by Kriss
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Posted: Tue Sep 14th, 2021 04:16 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1709th Post kargol
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I like how AEW keeps everyone fresh by rotating guys off and on the shows. No one gets stale, no one gets shove down your throat. I don't care who you are - Jericho, Moxley, etc.- you might not be on Dynamite some weeks, and that's great. And safer. Fewer long-term injuries.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: The match on Dark: Elevation between Daniel Garcia and Lee Moriarty was fantastic. A straight up grappling match, no flips or dives. They didn't air Moriarty being offered a contract, though. Makes me think he either refused it, or at least hasn't signed it yet.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: The match on Dark: Elevation between Daniel Garcia and Lee Moriarty was fantastic. A straight up grappling match, no flips or dives. They didn't air Moriarty being offered a contract, though. Makes me think he either refused it, or at least hasn't signed it yet.
Moriarty fulfilled his obligation to appear at ROH's Death Before Dishonor this weekend, and they talked at length about him going to AEW. First the announcers mentioned it, then Jay Lethal came out to put over a few guys on the mic and when he got to Moriarty he said he really wished he could've been full-time with ROH but wished him well in AEW. It seemed like a done deal.
ROH has generally not talked about AEW, but at this show they did a lot. They even mentioned the Young Bucks and Adam Page by name. I wouldn't read anything into it though because they spoke at length about WWE and NXT too. It seems to be a new direction where they talk about other companies now, not that they ever avoided that before, but they never specifically did either.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Meltzer: “We don’t have full PPV numbers but right now they already have more than 205,000 buys accounted for at press time. At 200,000 to 220,000 buys, it would be the largest PPV number for a non-WWE show since the April 11, 1999 Spring Stampede, and more likely, the March 14, 1999, Uncensored show headlined by Ric Flair vs. Hulk Hogan for the WCW title.”
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I love how “The Suzuki Incident” made it to TV and was turned into an angle. This stuff isn’t hard to do if you care at all, and AEW shows that weekly.
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Posted: Thu Sep 16th, 2021 12:54 pm PM Quote Reply 1714th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: The match on Dark: Elevation between Daniel Garcia and Lee Moriarty was fantastic. A straight up grappling match, no flips or dives. They didn't air Moriarty being offered a contract, though. Makes me think he either refused it, or at least hasn't signed it yet.
Moriarty fulfilled his obligation to appear at ROH's Death Before Dishonor this weekend, and they talked at length about him going to AEW. First the announcers mentioned it, then Jay Lethal came out to put over a few guys on the mic and when he got to Moriarty he said he really wished he could've been full-time with ROH but wished him well in AEW. It seemed like a done deal.
ROH has generally not talked about AEW, but at this show they did a lot. They even mentioned the Young Bucks and Adam Page by name. I wouldn't read anything into it though because they spoke at length about WWE and NXT too. It seems to be a new direction where they talk about other companies now, not that they ever avoided that before, but they never specifically did either.
Moriarty has been announced for the MLW Opera Cup tournament, so if he is going to be All Elite, I guess they will wait until that is over.
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Posted: Thu Sep 16th, 2021 01:03 pm PM Quote Reply 1715th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Balls. I missed the first paragraph in my c and p.
One of the ideas for Adam Cole to move up to the WWE main roster was to become a manager for a heel Keith Lee, according to Dave Meltzer on Wrestling Observer Radio.
Cole was asked about this, and he said it wasn't mentioned in the 30 minute discussion he had with Vince.
30 minutes? I'm sure Vince was cordial, maybe even feigning enthusiasm, but he had no intention of doing anything serious with Cole (apparently, they wanted Adam Cole to change his name, because they already have a Michael Cole). A tall rookie with large arms, though...
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Meltzer says the plan is for Bray Wyatt to show up at the Dynamite in Rochester on Sep. 29. The Dark Order is fracturing under a lack of leadership and Wyatt will reunite them. Rochester is also the hometown of Brodie Lee, so it will all tie together and Lee’s son and wife will likely be on camera as well to pass the torch to Wyatt.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17th, 2021 01:26 pm PM Quote Reply 1717th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: So, Dynamite beat Raw in "the demo" again this week. Pretty impressive, since Raw all but told everyone that Big E was going to win the title on Monday night. Dynamite, on the other hand, drew on the strength of the brand, because they didn't have anything out of the ordinary announced.
And in a completely different story, based on last night's Dark Side of the Ring, I can't see how AEW can put Ric Flair on TV any time soon. Flair was almost certainly coming in. He's been backstage and appeared in the backstage blogs of a number of wrestlers in the past couple of weeks.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17th, 2021 02:55 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1718th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: So, Dynamite beat Raw in "the demo" again this week. Pretty impressive, since Raw all but told everyone that Big E was going to win the title on Monday night. Dynamite, on the other hand, drew on the strength of the brand, because they didn't have anything out of the ordinary announced.
Meltzer says the entire reason Big E won the title on Raw was because they had lost in the demo to Dynamite. They hot-shotted it. It’s the first time I can remember them truly counter-programming since Bret came back opposite the first Monday night Impact.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tonight’s Smackdown was such a simultaneous rip-off and screw you to AEW. They build a show around Bianca’s “homecoming”, but then at the very end lay her out again. This is so Vince saying “Fuck AEW, we can do a show based around a hometown too, but we’re gonna do it my way!”
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tonight’s Smackdown was such a simultaneous rip-off and screw you to AEW. They build a show around Bianca’s “homecoming”, but then at the very end lay her out again. This is so Vince saying “Fuck AEW, we can do a show based around a hometown too, but we’re gonna do it my way!”
They had Bianca beat Becky in non-title dark match after the show, so at least they sent the live crowd home happy. Whatever the television ratings are, the AEW crowd looks like they have way more fun than the WWE crowd. I know which show I would want to attend.
Case in point, from Meltzer: "The next New York battle is AEW vs. WWE at the UBS Arena. WWE tickets were put on sale to the public today and are less than 1,000 for Raw on 11/29. AEW was about 5,500 first day for its 12/9 Dynamite. To say this is shocking is an understatement." AEW announced their show first, so WWE clearly went in 10 days earlier to try to get a jump on them, and it looks like it has failed miserably. Last edited on Sat Sep 18th, 2021 11:40 am by Kriss
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Posted: Sat Sep 18th, 2021 04:39 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1723rd Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tonight’s Smackdown was such a simultaneous rip-off and screw you to AEW. They build a show around Bianca’s “homecoming”, but then at the very end lay her out again. This is so Vince saying “Fuck AEW, we can do a show based around a hometown too, but we’re gonna do it my way!”
They had Bianca beat Becky in non-title dark match after the show, so at least they sent the live crowd home happy. Whatever the television ratings are, the AEW crowd looks like they have way more fun than the WWE crowd. I know which show I would want to attend.
Case in point, from Meltzer: "The next New York battle is AEW vs. WWE at the UBS Arena. WWE tickets were put on sale to the public today and are less than 1,000 for Raw on 11/29. AEW was about 5,500 first day for its 12/9 Dynamite. To say this is shocking is an understatement." AEW announced their show first, so WWE clearly went in 10 days earlier to try to get a jump on them, and it looks like it has failed miserably.
It’s cute that Vince still cares about the NY market so much, even out on Long Island. He wouldn’t have done something desperate like this in Dallas or San Francisco. It gives me the slightest shred of hope that the old Vince is still in there and he’ll see these ticket sales and hear the MSG crowd shit all over NXT 2.0 and he’ll realize he’s making some terrible mistakes. I know that’s a pipe dream, but I can hope.
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September 20, 2021 – All Elite Wrestling (AEW) and The Owen Hart Foundation (OHF), a nonprofit charity which provides a vast range of assistance and opportunities to individuals in-need across the world, are collaborating to honor the legacy of late wrestler Owen Hart, a beloved figure in the professional wrestling community and beyond. This collaboration includes launching the annual Owen Hart Cup Tournament within AEW, which will see the winner receive a Cup known as “The Owen,” as well as the production and distribution of unique and original Owen Hart merchandise, including specified retail goods as well as the upcoming AEW console video game.
This alliance incorporates opportunities to develop Owen Hart action figures via AEW’s partnership with Jazwares, apparel, posters, and additional collectable merchandise. Owen Hart is survived by his wife, Dr. Martha Hart, who spearheads The Owen Hart Foundation with a mission of providing global aid to at-risk communities (e.g., scholarships, housing, various forms international assistance, food drives, backpack giveaways and Christmas projects).
“AEW’s relationship with the Hart family dates back to our inaugural pay-per-view event, Double or Nothing in 2019, and Owen’s influence is still felt today,” said Tony Khan, AEW CEO, GM and Head of Creative. “To extend his memory and his legacy even further through this agreement is a powerful and meaningful moment for the entire wrestling community.”
“The Owen Hart Foundation is extremely pleased to partner with AEW in this wonderful joint venture to honor Owen’s substantial international wrestling career and the lasting influence he and his craft has had in the sport. AEW’s Owen Hart Cup Tournament serves as a tremendous tribute to Owen and provides an incredible way for professional wrestling enthusiasts to celebrate his work in a most fitting way. We trust that Tony Khan and his amazing AEW team will do a brilliant job with this highly anticipated project. This OHF/AEW partnership is my special gift to all of Owen’s magnificent loyal fans who forever remember him and his inspiring repertoire of talents,” said Dr. Martha Hart.
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Posted: Mon Sep 20th, 2021 06:28 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1725th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Owen Hart is All Elite:
September 20, 2021 – All Elite Wrestling (AEW) and The Owen Hart Foundation (OHF), a nonprofit charity which provides a vast range of assistance and opportunities to individuals in-need across the world, are collaborating to honor the legacy of late wrestler Owen Hart, a beloved figure in the professional wrestling community and beyond. This collaboration includes launching the annual Owen Hart Cup Tournament within AEW, which will see the winner receive a Cup known as “The Owen,” as well as the production and distribution of unique and original Owen Hart merchandise, including specified retail goods as well as the upcoming AEW console video game.
This alliance incorporates opportunities to develop Owen Hart action figures via AEW’s partnership with Jazwares, apparel, posters, and additional collectable merchandise. Owen Hart is survived by his wife, Dr. Martha Hart, who spearheads The Owen Hart Foundation with a mission of providing global aid to at-risk communities (e.g., scholarships, housing, various forms international assistance, food drives, backpack giveaways and Christmas projects).
“AEW’s relationship with the Hart family dates back to our inaugural pay-per-view event, Double or Nothing in 2019, and Owen’s influence is still felt today,” said Tony Khan, AEW CEO, GM and Head of Creative. “To extend his memory and his legacy even further through this agreement is a powerful and meaningful moment for the entire wrestling community.”
“The Owen Hart Foundation is extremely pleased to partner with AEW in this wonderful joint venture to honor Owen’s substantial international wrestling career and the lasting influence he and his craft has had in the sport. AEW’s Owen Hart Cup Tournament serves as a tremendous tribute to Owen and provides an incredible way for professional wrestling enthusiasts to celebrate his work in a most fitting way. We trust that Tony Khan and his amazing AEW team will do a brilliant job with this highly anticipated project. This OHF/AEW partnership is my special gift to all of Owen’s magnificent loyal fans who forever remember him and his inspiring repertoire of talents,” said Dr. Martha Hart.
I can't believe Martha would do this after everything she's said about the industry over the past 25 years. She didn't seem just mad at Vince, but the entire business. This is a real fuck you though, that's for sure.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: WFAN interview with Bryan Danielson promoting the NY shows. The main thing that vibes out of the interview is Bryan saying that WWE’s doctors wouldn’t clear him because he lied to them and they felt they couldn’t trust him with his body, more than because of the severity of the medical issues.
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Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: WFAN interview with Bryan Danielson promoting the NY shows. The main thing that vibes out of the interview is Bryan saying that WWE’s doctors wouldn’t clear him because he lied to them and they felt they couldn’t trust him with his body, more than because of the severity of the medical issues.
<A HREF="https://www.pwinsider.com/article/150980/complete-bryan-danielson-wfan-interview-now-available.html?p=1" TARGET="_blank">https://www.pwinsider.com/article/150980/complete-bryan-danielson-wfan-interview-now-available.html?p=1A> The biggest thing I got out of this is that he signed with AEW for 3 years. He will spend almost half of that time on a farewell tour, including Japan and Mexico I'm sure. I wouldn't even be stunned if he showed up in TNA for a match or two if someone is there that he wants to wrestle. I also wouldn't be shocked if when all is said and done he ends up returning to WWE for his final match. Of everybody, he's probably the one that's been most complimentary of how they treated him. I'm sure he made a couple of truckloads of cash from WWE and will get a farewell at least at Summerslam in a few years.
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<A HREF="https://www.pwinsider.com/article/150980/complete-bryan-danielson-wfan-interview-now-available.html?p=1" TARGET="_blank">https://www.pwinsider.com/article/150980/complete-bryan-danielson-wfan-interview-now-available.html?p=1A> The biggest thing I got out of this is that he signed with AEW for 3 years. He will spend almost half of that time on a farewell tour, including Japan and Mexico I'm sure. I wouldn't even be stunned if he showed up in TNA for a match or two if someone is there that he wants to wrestle. I also wouldn't be shocked if when all is said and done he ends up returning to WWE for his final match. Of everybody, he's probably the one that's been most complimentary of how they treated him. I'm sure he made a couple of truckloads of cash from WWE and will get a farewell at least at Summerslam in a few years.
In a few years, Danielson won’t know anyone in WWE leadership anymore, so there will be little reason on either side for him to return. The NBC or Disney execs who will be in charge don’t know who he is, and he owes them nothing.
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Srossi you want to sell some of your ETH you have remaining and get me some late tickets so i can see this live...
i can't lie i am kind of excited for this Omega is good and Danielson is the best wrestler in the last 20yrs
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Srossi you want to sell some of your ETH you have remaining and get me some late tickets so i can see this live...
i can't lie i am kind of excited for this Omega is good and Danielson is the best wrestler in the last 20yrs I would bet you all of SRossi's ETH that Omega is more excited than you. Of all of the newer wrestlers, he seems to be the one that most wants to be in there with the absolute best so he can show off. And he is good enough to show off...that's a fact, and he's earned the right to show off with the best wrestlers in the ring. I hope that the TV match is not the six star and they just get a program started. This needs to play out over a few months.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23rd, 2021 03:12 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1734th Post srossi
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My only complaint is that they telegraphed the draw by announcing the time limit at the beginning and doing time checks throughout. They never do that, so I immediately knew it would end in a draw. But it was a MOTY candidate with a ridiculously hot crowd, so I enjoyed the hell out of it anyway.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23rd, 2021 03:36 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1735th Post Franchise Low key big hog
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My only complaint is that they telegraphed the draw by announcing the time limit at the beginning and doing time checks throughout. They never do that, so I immediately knew it would end in a draw. But it was a MOTY candidate with a ridiculously hot crowd, so I enjoyed the hell out of it anyway.
I wondered about the calls but I'm not familiar enough with the product to have known they never do it.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23rd, 2021 04:29 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1736th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tonight’s Dynamite was just spectacular. It would be silly to even say it was better than any Raw of the past 20 years because they’re not even on the same level. You need different scales to measure them at this point. This show wouldn’t have been out of place during the Monday Night Wars.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23rd, 2021 09:11 am PM Quote Reply 1737th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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My only complaint is that they telegraphed the draw by announcing the time limit at the beginning and doing time checks throughout. They never do that, so I immediately knew it would end in a draw. But it was a MOTY candidate with a ridiculously hot crowd, so I enjoyed the hell out of it anyway.
I wondered about the calls but I'm not familiar enough with the product to have known they never do it.
Sorry to correct our esteemed POTY. I can't say they do it for every match, but they definitely do announce the time limit for matches on Dynamite. Usually 20 minutes or TV time remaining. I've definitely heard Roberts announce the ten minute mark during matches. The announcers rarely talk about it though.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23rd, 2021 02:50 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1738th Post srossi
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My only complaint is that they telegraphed the draw by announcing the time limit at the beginning and doing time checks throughout. They never do that, so I immediately knew it would end in a draw. But it was a MOTY candidate with a ridiculously hot crowd, so I enjoyed the hell out of it anyway.
I wondered about the calls but I'm not familiar enough with the product to have known they never do it.
Sorry to correct our esteemed POTY. I can't say they do it for every match, but they definitely do announce the time limit for matches on Dynamite. Usually 20 minutes or TV time remaining. I've definitely heard Roberts announce the ten minute mark during matches. The announcers rarely talk about it though.
I can't say I have EVER heard time checks on a Dynamite match before. They do sometimes throw out that it's a 20-minute time limit for a standard match, an hour for a title match, and they gave Baker vs. Riot an hour time limit last night with 20 minutes left in the show. I've never heard of a 30-minute time limit in AEW before. But to me, everything about the introductions screamed this was going the distance, I knew it immediately. I've never felt that way about any other AEW match before, and draws are extremely rare, so I'm not buying that they didn't telegraph it unless I've developed a sixth sense about these things.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23rd, 2021 03:23 pm PM Quote Reply 1739th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Definitely the first 30 minute time limit I have heard. The funny thing is, I didn't catch that when I was watching it, and thought he said 20. When the match finished, I thought the 20 minutes had flown by. I think they had to do a draw here. Maybe the first time that AEW had booked themselves into the proverbial corner where you don't want either man to lose, and I'm so glad they didn't go with a dq or co, not that I thought they would. Also loved seeing Britt main event with a mid-carder. Hopefully she can take that on tour soon.
Would love to know the opinion of a WWE or lapsed fan who has just started watching AEW. That show was PPV quality in every regard. Very few interviews or angles. Actually, I don't think they've ever done less to set up the next week's show.
Did Cody know he was going to get booed before that match? Brandi is definitely a much better heel than face. For all his patriotic BS, he's very much hated outside of the US, but in New York that was a bit of a surprise. Only a bit though, because Cody is not a great preformer. I don't miss him one bit when he's not on the shows.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23rd, 2021 04:13 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1740th Post krazykid18 The Prophet
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Would love to know the opinion of a WWE or lapsed fan who has just started watching AEW. That show was PPV quality in every regard. Very few interviews or angles. Actually, I don't think they've ever done less to set up the next week's show.
Did Cody know he was going to get booed before that match? Brandi is definitely a much better heel than face. For all his patriotic BS, he's very much hated outside of the US, but in New York that was a bit of a surprise. Only a bit though, because Cody is not a great preformer. I don't miss him one bit when he's not on the shows.
It was a cool show but besides the Omega vs Danielson and Tag team match the rest of the show was blah if we are honest....
CM Punk didn't need to do another pandering speech , they could have use CM Punk time and gave it to MJF so he could get the crowd hype for his match and shit on the crowd so they could be interested in Pillman Jr, because Pillman ain't ready for primetime yet and that match had no juice.....
Cody vs Black blah blah lets end this fued please
Britt and Ruby Riott blah blah , but can't lie i want to Hulk Smash Rebel not Reba all night long...
and Srossi is right about Danielson vs Omega from the early pace and then how it never kicked into next gear with both trying to win the match you knew it was going to a draw but i give AEW credit for hinting at it but not going overboard obvious with it til the last minute.
tag team match was joy to watch Sting brought the nostalgia and FTR are tag team idiots they can get a good match while sleeping and Darby brings the chaotic style that AEW is starting to be known for as in ring style
Also this was a case maybe it was different live then on TV but i think Omega vs Danielson should have went last because it seemed to drain the crowd and i know Khan used CM Punk promo to fire the crowd up after that match but it really killed MJF vs Pillman Jr and i would have used MJF and let him shit on the hometown crowd which then could have translated to a better energy for Pillman Jr.
but i am excited to see Omega vs Danielson again since they held back and teased with this match and it still was good quality.. so with more storyline attachment and more at stake it can be truly special match. Last edited on Thu Sep 23rd, 2021 04:13 pm by krazykid18
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Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: They have definitely announced time limits before because I remember thinking "that means we're not going to expect a TLD when it happens". Should be compulsory to announce the time limit in matches.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23rd, 2021 05:19 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1742nd Post krazykid18 The Prophet
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I personally think on tv show if there is not title on the line it should be a 15 min time limit ..i just don't understand wrestling shows where matches are 25 mins and nothing is at stake and it is not in the main event....even boxing has round limits from 4,8,10 to of course 12 rounds
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Posted: Thu Sep 23rd, 2021 05:47 pm PM Quote Reply 1743rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I think they had to put Omega-Danielson on first for the timing and because there was no winner. They didn't want to risk not having enough time for the match. I'm pretty sure that was a legit 30 minutes and not a 17 minute MSG 20 minute draw. And they knew the immediate reaction might be negative. People were booing because they wanted more, not because the result was bad, but it's still boos. No one could follow that match, so thy sent out Punk 5o talk. Can't complain about that. AEW will always start with a big match because their biggest audience is at the start and they are trying to keep them.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23rd, 2021 08:05 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1744th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I think they had to put Omega-Danielson on first for the timing and because there was no winner. They didn't want to risk not having enough time for the match. I'm pretty sure that was a legit 30 minutes and not a 17 minute MSG 20 minute draw. And they knew the immediate reaction might be negative. People were booing because they wanted more, not because the result was bad, but it's still boos. No one could follow that match, so thy sent out Punk 5o talk. Can't complain about that. AEW will always start with a big match because their biggest audience is at the start and they are trying to keep them.
I looked at the clock and that match ended at 8:33, so given 3 minutes for introductions, it was a legit 30. And as you said, you don't end a hot show on a draw, and you can't risk timing issues and another Minoru Suzuki situation.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23rd, 2021 09:46 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1745th Post cookie32723
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I looked at the clock and that match ended at 8:33, so given 3 minutes for introductions, it was a legit 30. And as you said, you don't end a hot show on a draw, and you can't risk timing issues and another Minoru Suzuki situation.
While a draw wasn’t a surprise to a lot of us here, starting the show with the match instead of ending with it also doesn’t telegraph it as much.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2021 01:48 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1746th Post srossi
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First-Ever NBA-Drafted Player from India Signs with AEW
-- Former Dallas Mavericks Center Satnam Singh Begins Training at The Nightmare Factory --
September 23, 2021 – All Elite Wrestling (AEW) today announced the signing of Satnam Singh, an international phenom best known as the first-ever player from India to be drafted by the National Basketball Association. The 7’3” Singh was drafted by the Dallas Mavericks in 2015, and now brings his natural athleticism, charisma and daunting stature to AEW.
Singh follows in the footsteps of NBA legend Shaquille O’Neal, who squared off alongside Jade Cargill in a mixed tag team match against Cody Rhodes and Red Velvet on “AEW: Dynamite” in March. Singh will begin training at the world-class, Atlanta-based Nightmare Factory, run by QT Marshall and Cody Rhodes.
“While we’ve recently secured some of the hottest free agents on the planet, I’m also deeply committed to cultivating our own homegrown stars and the next generation of extraordinary professional wrestlers,” said Tony Khan, CEO, GM and Head of Creative of AEW. “In addition to Satnam’s commanding 7’3” stature, I was impressed with his high level of athleticism and charisma. He’s an exciting addition to our roster, and I’m looking forward to our fans getting to know Satnam’s personality and watching his development.”
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Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2021 06:05 am PM Quote Reply 1747th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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It’s cute that Vince still cares about the NY market so much, even out on Long Island. He wouldn’t have done something desperate like this in Dallas or San Francisco. It gives me the slightest shred of hope that the old Vince is still in there and he’ll see these ticket sales and hear the MSG crowd shit all over NXT 2.0 and he’ll realize he’s making some terrible mistakes. I know that’s a pipe dream, but I can hope.
Ticket sales right now are AEW: 6,629; WWE: 2,721.
We're over two months away from these shows (and WWE are slowly catching up), but it gives an idea of the demand. WWE may have shot themselves in the foot by making this move, though. They also have Raw at the Barclays Center on 11/22, which was already on sale. The two venues are only 20 miles apart, so it's pretty much exactly the same New York fans they are trying to sell tickets to. They set themselves up to fail here, but when people look at the numbers, they'll see AEW sold more than WWE and ignore all the mitigating circumstances.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2021 12:20 pm PM Quote Reply 1748th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2021 01:14 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1749th Post srossi
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It’s cute that Vince still cares about the NY market so much, even out on Long Island. He wouldn’t have done something desperate like this in Dallas or San Francisco. It gives me the slightest shred of hope that the old Vince is still in there and he’ll see these ticket sales and hear the MSG crowd shit all over NXT 2.0 and he’ll realize he’s making some terrible mistakes. I know that’s a pipe dream, but I can hope.
Ticket sales right now are AEW: 6,629; WWE: 2,721.
We're over two months away from these shows (and WWE are slowly catching up), but it gives an idea of the demand. WWE may have shot themselves in the foot by making this move, though. They also have Raw at the Barclays Center on 11/22, which was already on sale. The two venues are only 20 miles apart, so it's pretty much exactly the same New York fans they are trying to sell tickets to. They set themselves up to fail here, but when people look at the numbers, they'll see AEW sold more than WWE and ignore all the mitigating circumstances.
Miles doesn’t mean anything in NY. Brooklyn and Long Island fan bases are completely different. That part isn’t an issue.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Meltzer is reporting that AEW is starting to pass on a lot of good wrestlers who are now available who they simply don’t have a spot for. Buddy Murphy was trying to get in and there was no room at the inn, so he’s rumored to start with Impact shortly. Many others are going to find themselves in the same situation as AEW is finally at capacity. Bray Wyatt is probably the last one. A ton of “good hands” like Tony Nese who would’ve been gobbled up even 6 months ago are now on the outside looking in.
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This is a good thing, the last thing AEW needs is to gobble up every guy or girl WWE releases anyway. Big names sure but even Braun Strowman doesn’t look like he has a spot in AEW. They’ve built an impressive roster of ex WWE stars and home grown talent, work with that and bring in guys that fit and not just because they are available.
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This is a good thing, the last thing AEW needs is to gobble up every guy or girl WWE releases anyway. Big names sure but even Braun Strowman doesn’t look like he has a spot in AEW. They’ve built an impressive roster of ex WWE stars and home grown talent, work with that and bring in guys that fit and not just because they are available.
I'm just curious, what defines home grown talent? Are the Young Bucks and Kenny considered home grown because they aren't/weren't as well known in the US or to the majority of fans? Or are we talking someone like Hook and Powerhouse Hobbs?
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This is a good thing, the last thing AEW needs is to gobble up every guy or girl WWE releases anyway. Big names sure but even Braun Strowman doesn’t look like he has a spot in AEW. They’ve built an impressive roster of ex WWE stars and home grown talent, work with that and bring in guys that fit and not just because they are available.
I'm just curious, what defines home grown talent? Are the Young Bucks and Kenny considered home grown because they aren't/weren't as well known in the US or to the majority of fans? Or are we talking someone like Hook and Powerhouse Hobbs?
To me a homegrown talent can't have a decade plus of major international experience. I'd say some of these Dark guys, even a few of the vets, might have some claim to being homegrown because everyone has to come from somewhere, but Omega and the Bucks came in as stars. Sammy Guevera, Britt Baker, and Darby Allin are to me the three big homegrown success stories and what all the others aspire to be. And yes, I know they all had minor reps coming in too, but nothing substantial.
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This is a good thing, the last thing AEW needs is to gobble up every guy or girl WWE releases anyway. Big names sure but even Braun Strowman doesn’t look like he has a spot in AEW. They’ve built an impressive roster of ex WWE stars and home grown talent, work with that and bring in guys that fit and not just because they are available.
Braun looks like he's going to Impact too. Impact seem to be the big winners in all of this, because not everyone can go to AEW, but Impact at least has a working relationship with AEW, so guys find them attractive.
The big losers appear to be ROH, who just aren't even an option for anyone anymore, and sometimes I even forget to watch the show for weeks at a time, and I don't miss anything. They were selling out MSG with NJPW 2 years ago.
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This is a good thing, the last thing AEW needs is to gobble up every guy or girl WWE releases anyway. Big names sure but even Braun Strowman doesn’t look like he has a spot in AEW. They’ve built an impressive roster of ex WWE stars and home grown talent, work with that and bring in guys that fit and not just because they are available.
I'm just curious, what defines home grown talent? Are the Young Bucks and Kenny considered home grown because they aren't/weren't as well known in the US or to the majority of fans? Or are we talking someone like Hook and Powerhouse Hobbs?
To me a homegrown talent can't have a decade plus of major international experience. I'd say some of these Dark guys, even a few of the vets, might have some claim to being homegrown because everyone has to come from somewhere, but Omega and the Bucks came in as stars. Sammy Guevera, Britt Baker, and Darby Allin are to me the three big homegrown success stories and what all the others aspire to be. And yes, I know they all had minor reps coming in too, but nothing substantial.
Homegrown is always going to be subjective because they will always be hardcore fans who knew about this guy or that guy and he was here first, per se. I was referring to guys like Sammy, Britt, Darby, and MJF who people knew of but had not really made a splash anywhere yet outside of smaller shows. Of course you have the Bucks and Kenny but they’re running the show and like others said had made their names already. You also have guys like Penta and Fenix who are killer and obviously are not home grown in AEW but may not necessarily have been names many outside of Mexico would know. Last edited on Fri Sep 24th, 2021 07:13 pm by cookie32723
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Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2021 07:16 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1757th Post srossi
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This is a good thing, the last thing AEW needs is to gobble up every guy or girl WWE releases anyway. Big names sure but even Braun Strowman doesn’t look like he has a spot in AEW. They’ve built an impressive roster of ex WWE stars and home grown talent, work with that and bring in guys that fit and not just because they are available.
I'm just curious, what defines home grown talent? Are the Young Bucks and Kenny considered home grown because they aren't/weren't as well known in the US or to the majority of fans? Or are we talking someone like Hook and Powerhouse Hobbs?
To me a homegrown talent can't have a decade plus of major international experience. I'd say some of these Dark guys, even a few of the vets, might have some claim to being homegrown because everyone has to come from somewhere, but Omega and the Bucks came in as stars. Sammy Guevera, Britt Baker, and Darby Allin are to me the three big homegrown success stories and what all the others aspire to be. And yes, I know they all had minor reps coming in too, but nothing substantial.
Homegrown is always going to be subjective because they will always be hardcore fans who knew about this guy or that guy and he was here first, per se. I was referring to guys like Sammy, Britt, Darby, and MJF who people knew of but had not really made a splash anywhere yet outside of smaller shows. Of course you have the Bucks and Kenny but they’re running the show and like others said had made their names already. You also have guys like Penta and Fenix who are killer and obviously are not home grown in AEW but may not necessarily have been names many outside of Mexico would know.
Penta and Fenix got bigger pushes in America in Impact, Lucha Underground, and MLW then they have in AEW though, so I’m going to say no to them. I still think they’re underutilized in AEW, but at least they finally got the belts. MJF is an excellent one I forgot though.
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This is a good thing, the last thing AEW needs is to gobble up every guy or girl WWE releases anyway. Big names sure but even Braun Strowman doesn’t look like he has a spot in AEW. They’ve built an impressive roster of ex WWE stars and home grown talent, work with that and bring in guys that fit and not just because they are available.
Braun looks like he's going to Impact too. Impact seem to be the big winners in all of this, because not everyone can go to AEW, but Impact at least has a working relationship with AEW, so guys find them attractive.
The big losers appear to be ROH, who just aren't even an option for anyone anymore, and sometimes I even forget to watch the show for weeks at a time, and I don't miss anything. They were selling out MSG with NJPW 2 years ago. Does ROH not pay their talent a living wage? Because you'd think that somebody would go there. I mean, with all the talent and almost none of them signing with ROH, and the one that I can think of off the top of my head (Chelsea Green) is not signed to an exclusive deal. She's working wherever she wants right now.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2021 09:05 pm PM Quote Reply 1759th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2021 09:13 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1760th Post srossi
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This is a good thing, the last thing AEW needs is to gobble up every guy or girl WWE releases anyway. Big names sure but even Braun Strowman doesn’t look like he has a spot in AEW. They’ve built an impressive roster of ex WWE stars and home grown talent, work with that and bring in guys that fit and not just because they are available.
Braun looks like he's going to Impact too. Impact seem to be the big winners in all of this, because not everyone can go to AEW, but Impact at least has a working relationship with AEW, so guys find them attractive.
The big losers appear to be ROH, who just aren't even an option for anyone anymore, and sometimes I even forget to watch the show for weeks at a time, and I don't miss anything. They were selling out MSG with NJPW 2 years ago. Does ROH not pay their talent a living wage? Because you'd think that somebody would go there. I mean, with all the talent and almost none of them signing with ROH, and the one that I can think of off the top of my head (Chelsea Green) is not signed to an exclusive deal. She's working wherever she wants right now.
The Briscoes and Jay Lethal are making a nice living. I don't know about the others.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2021 09:14 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1761st Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: EC3 went to ROH. Some of the NXT/205 Live rejects were on the last ROH PPV.
Pretty sure none of them are signed to ROH. EC3 might have a short-term non-exclusive contract, but they bring in a lot of guys on a per appearance basis.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2021 09:20 pm PM Quote Reply 1762nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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Pretty sure none of them are signed to ROH. EC3 might have a short-term non-exclusive contract, but they bring in a lot of guys on a per appearance basis.
OK. Looking at the ROH roster on their website, the only ex-WWE people are EC3, Mike Bennett are Maria Kannelis Last edited on Fri Sep 24th, 2021 09:20 pm by Kriss
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Pretty sure none of them are signed to ROH. EC3 might have a short-term non-exclusive contract, but they bring in a lot of guys on a per appearance basis.
OK. Looking at the ROH roster on their website, the only ex-WWE people are EC3, Mike Bennett are Maria Kannelis Bennett and Kanellis did almost nothing in WWE. They got paid for two years, one went to rehab, the other got pregnant I believe twice. They took a nice salary to do almost nothing and then bitched at the storyline they were put into. EC3 got concussed a couple of times with WWE and by the time he got healthy, they forgot why they wanted him in the first place and that was that.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2021 09:43 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1764th Post srossi
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Pretty sure none of them are signed to ROH. EC3 might have a short-term non-exclusive contract, but they bring in a lot of guys on a per appearance basis.
OK. Looking at the ROH roster on their website, the only ex-WWE people are EC3, Mike Bennett are Maria Kannelis Bennett and Kanellis did almost nothing in WWE. They got paid for two years, one went to rehab, the other got pregnant I believe twice. They took a nice salary to do almost nothing and then bitched at the storyline they were put into. EC3 got concussed a couple of times with WWE and by the time he got healthy, they forgot why they wanted him in the first place and that was that.
They made out like bandits. No one will ever convince me that Maria didn't specifically decide to get pregnant as soon as the contract was signed. It's fucking math. She's 39 and said she wanted 2 kids. Well how the hell is that going to happen if she didn't start exactly when she did? I'm willing to bet that wasn't mentioned during the interview. I've had a few of those in my career too, one announced she was pregnant between the offer and the start date. These bitches be slick.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2021 11:52 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1765th Post Jim_Irish
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My only complaint is that they telegraphed the draw by announcing the time limit at the beginning and doing time checks throughout. They never do that, so I immediately knew it would end in a draw. But it was a MOTY candidate with a ridiculously hot crowd, so I enjoyed the hell out of it anyway. Watching the show now. It was one of the best matches I've seen in several years and the only match I've seen of Kenny in AEW that I really liked. For a half hour match it flew by, made sense and was really great. And yeah, the crowd was tremendous. Punk promo a good break between the matches. MJF v Pillman next. One thing I don't like and have a feeling I'm gonna have to get used to. After the first match the ring filled up with guys. And I've a feeling it will happen again after this. Its one used in AEW.
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Posted: Sat Sep 25th, 2021 12:04 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1766th Post Jim_Irish
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Not much of a match. MJF is a marvel. Pillman could be really good but he's so goofy when he should be trying to kill this guy. Not sure if that's the end of this angle but it didn't do much for Pillman. He didn't do as well as he should.
I used to love Jericho. That promo was bad, the stuff he did on the mic in the last show was even worse. Jake Hager is one guy I never got.
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Posted: Sat Sep 25th, 2021 12:25 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1767th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Black and Rhodes was decent. I thought they crammed in too much, or went too fast or something but aside from the Arn botch and Rhodes' wife sitting in the ring it was good. And I'm glad Black won. The crowd really don't like Cody.
Tag match was great! Sting looked surprisingly good and Darby is one of the only scrawny looking wrestlers I've ever seen who I can buy into. Only bum note: if you have a manager who can't bump (Arn, Tully) either get different managers or don't have them bump.
Women's match really good too
Great show, plenty of wrestling minimal nonsense. Really enjoyed it. Last edited on Sat Sep 25th, 2021 12:39 am by Jim_Irish
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Posted: Sat Sep 25th, 2021 04:18 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1768th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Although the atmosphere was electric and the show was great, the fans in attendance had nothing but negative feedback about the staff at Arthur Ashe Stadium, who somehow were not expecting a large crowd despite the advance ticket sales and were completely unprepared for one. The merch and concession stands had 30-minute lines and everything sold out early, leaving hundreds of fans missing matches and still not being able to get a shirt or a beer. They also charged $50 for parking, which is not unheard of for a football game or big concert at MetLife Stadium, but is really on the very high end for anywhere else. Entering and exiting the venue was a nightmare as no one could move and there wasn’t enough staff to direct people.
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Posted: Sat Sep 25th, 2021 07:13 am PM Quote Reply 1769th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I've seen a few people complaining about the run-ins at the end of Omega-Danielson. Here's my take. If they didn't do that, what do they do? The fans would have chanted five more minutes or restart the match. Unless you are going to restart the match, that's something that has to be avoided, so they had the run-ins. Last edited on Sat Sep 25th, 2021 10:11 am by Kriss
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Posted: Sat Sep 25th, 2021 09:15 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1770th Post Jim_Irish
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On the ending and the run-ins. It was too quick after the bell. They could have had the two guy fight a little longer.
There are other alternatives but none make sense because they have made it the norm for these run - ins all the time. I don't like it.
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Posted: Sun Sep 26th, 2021 02:02 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1771st Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Just watched the Rampage show. It was as bad as the Dynamite was good. Even the Punk match wasn't any good and the crowd was flat.
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Posted: Wed Sep 29th, 2021 03:56 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1772nd Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Jake Roberts has been having health issues and has recently been seen in a wheelchair with an oxygen tank. Obviously he’s been off TV for some time because of this.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Ahead of tonight’s Brodie Lee memorial show in his hometown of Rochester, which is heavily rumored to feature the debut of Bray Wyatt, AEW has announced the formation of the Jon Huber Legacy Foundation.
ROCHESTER, NY, September 29 – On the same day All Elite Wrestling (AEW) makes its debut in Jon Huber’s hometown of Rochester, NY, his family and friends are announcing the creation of the Jon Huber Legacy Foundation.
The Foundation will focus on providing support to people in creative fields who have not taken the next step in their career because of family obligations.
“Jon almost gave up on his dream of wrestling because of his family,” said Amanda Huber, “But he got the call to move up to WWE while we were in the hospital with our first child. I can’t think of a better way of honoring his commitment to family and his career than to help other people who are facing the same dilemma.”
Beginning in 2022, the Foundation will select a group of creative individuals to support with resources, connections, practical skills, and direct funding. The cohort will meet throughout the year to learn from experts in areas including business planning, artist management, public relations, brand management, finances, and IP law. These skills and connections will help them provide for their families while also helping them pursue their dreams.
“Many artists and wrestlers are never taught how to manage their finances, investments, and assets in a way to make sure their family is secure,” said Chris Huber, “Like our father, Jon always wanted to make sure he was making decisions that were the right decision not only for his career, but also for his family.”
The foundation will announce its first application round in early 2022.
For more information, please visit <A HREF="http://www.jonhuberlegacyfoundation.org" TARGET="_blank">http://www.jonhuberlegacyfoundation.orgA> and/or email info@jonhuberlegacyfoundation.org.
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Posted: Thu Sep 30th, 2021 09:51 am PM Quote Reply 1774th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: It seems that if you format your show like a WWE show, the fans turn into WWE fans. You can't have wrestling without *some* in-ring promos, by the crowd weren't interested and kept chanting for CM Punk, and even brought out the ancient What? chant. Great work by Ethan Page on the mic to shut that down though. And then the "We want Lana" "No we don't" stuff in the main event. I guess these guys got lost on the way to a WWE show. A good Dynamite that could have been great if it was in a different city. AEW might need to turn Punk heel if this happens everywhere they go.
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Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: During that Cody Rhodes to the Top show immediately following Dynamite, they did a live commercial cutaway segment of Tony Schiavone interviewing Sammy Guevara and his entourage where Sammy said he received a congratulatory text from Bobby Fish, and accepted a challenge from him for a match next week. Then Dan Lambert and his crew interrupted, who interjected themselves as the next in-house challengers. Last edited on Thu Sep 30th, 2021 12:43 pm by One Fan Gang
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Posted: Thu Sep 30th, 2021 01:15 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1776th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: It seems that if you format your show like a WWE show, the fans turn into WWE fans. You can't have wrestling without *some* in-ring promos, by the crowd weren't interested and kept chanting for CM Punk, and even brought out the ancient What? chant. Great work by Ethan Page on the mic to shut that down though. And then the "We want Lana" "No we don't" stuff in the main event. I guess these guys got lost on the way to a WWE show. A good Dynamite that could have been great if it was in a different city. AEW might need to turn Punk heel if this happens everywhere they go.
It was just because Punk was actually out there on commentary, but yes, it was annoying. A few of the heels were great at shutting them up, and no one really let it distract them too much.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Lio Rush un-retired (again) and announced that he has signed with AEW (again). Rush was a surprise entrant in the Casino Battle Royle at Double or Nothing in May and had a deal that he either did or did not sign at the time, but he immediately retired following the match. He had also retired after being released from WWE and a few more times when he left MLW and backed out of indy dates.
I know Tony Khan has a savior complex and wants to help the mentally ill, but bringing Lio Rush back again is going to be a huge headache with no reward. AEW has such a crowded roster, do you really need a 150 pound nutcase running around backstage not sure if he can compete that night and calling everyone a racist?
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Posted: Thu Sep 30th, 2021 05:51 pm PM Quote Reply 1778th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Gotta say that AEW don't need Lio Rush and his new gimmick where he explains financial terminology. I don't see a Lio Rush sized hole in the AEW roster, and his reliability has to be questioned seeing as he retired recently.
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Posted: Thu Sep 30th, 2021 05:53 pm PM Quote Reply 1779th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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Posted: Thu Sep 30th, 2021 05:55 pm PM Quote Reply 1780th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I wonder if Tony Khan is taking to heart the criticisms about All White Dynamite?
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Posted: Thu Sep 30th, 2021 06:04 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1781st Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I wonder if Tony Khan is taking to heart the criticisms about All White Dynamite?
I've never even heard that. AEW has tons of hispanic and Japanese wrestlers, but I guess that doesn't count. As far as black wrestlers go, there's Powerhouse Hobbs and Private Party. Must be more.
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Posted: Thu Sep 30th, 2021 06:11 pm PM Quote Reply 1782nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I wonder if Tony Khan is taking to heart the criticisms about All White Dynamite?
I've never even heard that. AEW has tons of hispanic and Japanese wrestlers, but I guess that doesn't count. As far as black wrestlers go, there's Powerhouse Hobbs and Private Party. Must be more.
Last week's Dynamite was 100% white, while Raw had a main event with two black guys and a Samoan. As far as a male singles push of any description, I think Hobbs is the only black wrestler to get one, and he hasn't been pushed very far. I wouldn't be surprised if Mark Henry is trying to get some movement on this.
I don't personally think AEW has an issue with diversity, but it's definitely getting some attention online.
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Posted: Fri Oct 1st, 2021 12:39 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1783rd Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Bryan Danielson on the creative freedom in AEW: "I was actually a little bit blown away. My first time I had to talk or anything was in Cincinnati, and I was like, so what are we doing? ‘I don’t know, what do you want to do?’ Wait, what? Last week in Newark, it was the same thing. I was never handed a sheet of paper. I was never told what we’re doing. We kind of sit down and decide what we’re doing, and I was just like, oh. And then there’s this overarching fear for me a little bit because some people don’t like working with the writers. I love working with the writers. I like collaborating. I had a really good time with that.”
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: So even AEW's reality shows focus on wrestling more than WWE. "Rhodes to the Top" centered on backstage stuff and appeared less scripted than WWE's zany reality capers, which rarely mention wrestling at all.
It's really all about Cody and Brandi though, and let's face it, they're extremely unlikable for whatever reason and this show will only make that worse.
The wrestling-related storylines on episode #1 revolved around Jade Cargill getting heat with Red Velvet for slapping her too hard (what a pussy), and Ricky Starks breaking his neck and having to transition to a non-wrestling role for a while. Of course, Cody and Brandi are there to save the day each time.
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It's really all about Cody and Brandi though, and let's face it, they're extremely unlikable for whatever reason and this show will only make that worse.
The wrestling-related storylines on episode #1 revolved around Jade Cargill getting heat with Red Velvet for slapping her too hard (what a pussy), and Ricky Starks breaking his neck and having to transition to a non-wrestling role for a while. Of course, Cody and Brandi are there to save the day each time.
Got my wife to watch the full Dynamite on Wednesday. She absolutely hates the Elite gimmick and that shitty song. She said if that's what wrestling has turned into, she's glad she doesn't watch anymore. But she liked the Jungle Boy match. Penelope Ford and Allie Bunny? Who are those two whores was the response. And she had fun shitting all over Miro and Sammy Guevara, who she decided is a Spanish Cod. But where her real commentary kicked in was when Rhodes to the Top started. The part that hit home was that she said it's painfully obvious that he wants to be HHH and she wants to be Stephanie. She also said there is zero doubt that he is Dusty's son.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Great to see Christopher Daniels back in Impact last night through the Forbidden Door. He beat Madman Fulton in his first singles victory since May 2020, when he beat Sonny Kiss on Dark. Daniels is pretty much retired at this point and is working as an AEW agent now, so this is likely his last run and it’s appropriate that it’s in Impact.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Lots of reports this week that Tony Khan has stripped all creative control from his EVPs, and if happened a long time ago although it’s just now being talked about. Omega is overseeing logistics with the video game and Cody and the Young Bucks have other logistical duties, but none of them have any say in creative or who gets hired anymore.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: On last night’s Smackdown, WWE did a home invasion angle where Seth Rollins was at Edge’s house. During the segment, Edge tells his wife Beth Phoenix to get help and to call their friends “Daniel and David”. Those are the real names of Dax Harwood and Cash Wheeler, who are good friends of Edge and do live in his neighborhood.
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Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Does that not defeat the main premise of Cody's reality show? I saw the replay Friday night and while I know there's a lot of repetition of segments on this type of program, there was a constant shot of the sign denoting Cody and Brandi's office. The scales of work-life balance can't shift that severely and affect the main crux. There is gonna be a need to bring in Uncle Fred Ottman to be the Cousin Oliver fall guy for the series.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote:
Does that not defeat the main premise of Cody's reality show? I saw the replay Friday night and while I know there's a lot of repetition of segments on this type of program, there was a constant shot of the sign denoting Cody and Brandi's office. The scales of work-life balance can't shift that severely and affect the main crux. There is gonna be a need to bring in Uncle Fred Ottman to be the Cousin Oliver fall guy for the series.
I don’t remember what the sign said. Cody is still an EVP and Brandi is the Chief Brand Officer. It looks like Cody handles a lot of talent relations issues like JR used to do in WWE, but he no longer has creative or hiring power.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Late to the party, but Cornette reviews Danielson vs. Omega and says it’s the best AEW has ever been and WWE is in trouble. He’s effusive in his compliments while completely bashing Omega at the same time, which is something to behold.
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Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: The Miro vs Sammy match was good til the end like these agents have to come up with better endings ..Miro just ripping off the turnbuckle for no reason you already knew what the finish was going to be.....
Also i understand AEW views Sammy as a big deal and needs to get the title off Miro since to some people the TNT champ shouldn't come across like a top guy over the world champion , but they did a horrible job in building Sammy up to this moment especially with how good Miro reign was... the last we saw of sammy he was crying like a bitch in war games and lost to MJF and now he soundly thrashes Miro like that...could have been done better imo
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Joined: Mon Oct 22nd, 2007 Location: Posts: 5157 Status: Offline Mana: <A HREF="/users/16.html" TARGET="_blank">srossiA> wrote: Lots of reports this week that Tony Khan has stripped all creative control from his EVPs, and if happened a long time ago although it’s just now being talked about. Omega is overseeing logistics with the video game and Cody and the Young Bucks have other logistical duties, but none of them have any say in creative or who gets hired anymore.
Cody, Omega, and the Bucks were vital to getting AEW off the ground. To get them on board and committed to the company, it made sense to let them hire their friends and the friends of their friends while giving them say in the booking. As the promotion graduates from start up to established, it no longer makes sense to keep them in positions of power.
Although Tony Khan says there’s no cap on how many guys AEW can have on its roster, it makes little sense to overload the promotion with guys who don’t get used, whether much or at all. Some guys will drift out on their own but eventually a WWE style mass firing will occur. Those clear outs are bad for morale but guys getting upset over a lack of a push and upward mobility is as bad or worse.
When the time comes for releases, getting the Elite guys out of a position to protect their friends helps the company and it helps the Elite because they won’t have to fire their buddies or take heat for not protecting them when guys do get the axe.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/72.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu72')">tamaliea> wrote: <A HREF="/users/16.html" TARGET="_blank">srossiA> wrote: Lots of reports this week that Tony Khan has stripped all creative control from his EVPs, and if happened a long time ago although it’s just now being talked about. Omega is overseeing logistics with the video game and Cody and the Young Bucks have other logistical duties, but none of them have any say in creative or who gets hired anymore.
Cody, Omega, and the Bucks were vital to getting AEW off the ground. To get them on board and committed to the company, it made sense to let them hire their friends and the friends of their friends while giving them say in the booking. As the promotion graduates from start up to established, it no longer makes sense to keep them in positions of power.
Although Tony Khan says there’s no cap on how many guys AEW can have on its roster, it makes little sense to overload the promotion with guys who don’t get used, whether much or at all. Some guys will drift out on their own but eventually a WWE style mass firing will occur. Those clear outs are bad for morale but guys getting upset over a lack of a push and upward mobility is as bad or worse.
When the time comes for releases, getting the Elite guys out of a position to protect their friends helps the company and it helps the Elite because they won’t have to fire their buddies or take heat for not protecting them when guys do get the axe.
I could be wrong, but I feel like the switch happened just when Matt Cardona came in and couldn't get signed. Cody brought him for 2 dates due to a personal relationship, and not being able to get him signed was a clear indication that Cody had just lost that power. Cardona has been asked about this and he basically just said that he thought he was in but then there wasn't a spot for him, and he was shifted to Impact with the promise that they would try to work something out later. I think that was also behind Cardona getting himself so much buzz with the King of Hardcore stuff, he's trying to get a spot in AEW when his Impact deal expires and knows he has to bust his ass to do it.
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Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/72.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu72')">tamaliea> wrote: <A HREF="/users/16.html" TARGET="_blank">srossiA> wrote: Lots of reports this week that Tony Khan has stripped all creative control from his EVPs, and if happened a long time ago although it’s just now being talked about. Omega is overseeing logistics with the video game and Cody and the Young Bucks have other logistical duties, but none of them have any say in creative or who gets hired anymore.
Cody, Omega, and the Bucks were vital to getting AEW off the ground. To get them on board and committed to the company, it made sense to let them hire their friends and the friends of their friends while giving them say in the booking. As the promotion graduates from start up to established, it no longer makes sense to keep them in positions of power.
Although Tony Khan says there’s no cap on how many guys AEW can have on its roster, it makes little sense to overload the promotion with guys who don’t get used, whether much or at all. Some guys will drift out on their own but eventually a WWE style mass firing will occur. Those clear outs are bad for morale but guys getting upset over a lack of a push and upward mobility is as bad or worse.
When the time comes for releases, getting the Elite guys out of a position to protect their friends helps the company and it helps the Elite because they won’t have to fire their buddies or take heat for not protecting them when guys do get the axe.
I could be wrong, but I feel like the switch happened just when Matt Cardona came in and couldn't get signed. Cody brought him for 2 dates due to a personal relationship, and not being able to get him signed was a clear indication that Cody had just lost that power. Cardona has been asked about this and he basically just said that he thought he was in but then there wasn't a spot for him, and he was shifted to Impact with the promise that they would try to work something out later. I think that was also behind Cardona getting himself so much buzz with the King of Hardcore stuff, he's trying to get a spot in AEW when his Impact deal expires and knows he has to bust his ass to do it.
and what buzz does Shawn Spears have or ever had,
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/72.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu72')">tamaliea> wrote: <A HREF="/users/16.html" TARGET="_blank">srossiA> wrote: Lots of reports this week that Tony Khan has stripped all creative control from his EVPs, and if happened a long time ago although it’s just now being talked about. Omega is overseeing logistics with the video game and Cody and the Young Bucks have other logistical duties, but none of them have any say in creative or who gets hired anymore.
Cody, Omega, and the Bucks were vital to getting AEW off the ground. To get them on board and committed to the company, it made sense to let them hire their friends and the friends of their friends while giving them say in the booking. As the promotion graduates from start up to established, it no longer makes sense to keep them in positions of power.
Although Tony Khan says there’s no cap on how many guys AEW can have on its roster, it makes little sense to overload the promotion with guys who don’t get used, whether much or at all. Some guys will drift out on their own but eventually a WWE style mass firing will occur. Those clear outs are bad for morale but guys getting upset over a lack of a push and upward mobility is as bad or worse.
When the time comes for releases, getting the Elite guys out of a position to protect their friends helps the company and it helps the Elite because they won’t have to fire their buddies or take heat for not protecting them when guys do get the axe.
I could be wrong, but I feel like the switch happened just when Matt Cardona came in and couldn't get signed. Cody brought him for 2 dates due to a personal relationship, and not being able to get him signed was a clear indication that Cody had just lost that power. Cardona has been asked about this and he basically just said that he thought he was in but then there wasn't a spot for him, and he was shifted to Impact with the promise that they would try to work something out later. I think that was also behind Cardona getting himself so much buzz with the King of Hardcore stuff, he's trying to get a spot in AEW when his Impact deal expires and knows he has to bust his ass to do it.
and what buzz does Shawn Spears have or ever had,
He was signed before there was even a Dynamite.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Shawn Spears is the luckiest man in pro wrestling. We've talked about this more than once I this thread. At a time when WWE were still hoarding, he was probably the highest profile recently ex-WWE that was available. It was long after Dynamite started that the first mass release happened. Plenty of wrestlers better than Spears have been passed on now.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: One thing with AEW's roster is that I think the idea was that guys would be cycled in an out and would go out on tour to Japan, Mexico and China. Covid screwed all that, obviously, but I think they will get back to that eventually.
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Posted: Tue Oct 5th, 2021 08:48 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1799th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: One thing with AEW's roster is that I think the idea was that guys would be cycled in an out and would go out on tour to Japan, Mexico and China. Covid screwed all that, obviously, but I think they will get back to that eventually.
This is true, but it also looked like they would do more with Impact. They've settled into a routine of booking one of their top stars to be Impact champion and then he carries that company for a while, and that's it. But at the beginning they sent Private Party there too for more seasoning, and it looked like it would be a place for some other guys to work more against vets in real programs instead of just doing jobs on Dark. Then they stopped that. It's a missed opportunity.
And ROH is hurting so bad right now that for the life of me I can't figure out why they can't come to an agreemment to send guys there to work. Guys like J.D. Drake and Bear Country are completely lost in AEW but could do something in ROH in at least stay fresh.
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This is true, but it also looked like they would do more with Impact. They've settled into a routine of booking one of their top stars to be Impact champion and then he carries that company for a while, and that's it. But at the beginning they sent Private Party there too for more seasoning, and it looked like it would be a place for some other guys to work more against vets in real programs instead of just doing jobs on Dark. Then they stopped that. It's a missed opportunity.
And ROH is hurting so bad right now that for the life of me I can't figure out why they can't come to an agreemment to send guys there to work. Guys like J.D. Drake and Bear Country are completely lost in AEW but could do something in ROH in at least stay fresh.
J.D. Drake and Bear Country aren't under contract to AEW, though.
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Posted: Tue Oct 5th, 2021 09:35 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1801st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: One thing with AEW's roster is that I think the idea was that guys would be cycled in an out and would go out on tour to Japan, Mexico and China. Covid screwed all that, obviously, but I think they will get back to that eventually. This is true, but it also looked like they would do more with Impact. They've settled into a routine of booking one of their top stars to be Impact champion and then he carries that company for a while, and that's it. But at the beginning they sent Private Party there too for more seasoning, and it looked like it would be a place for some other guys to work more against vets in real programs instead of just doing jobs on Dark. Then they stopped that. It's a missed opportunity. And ROH is hurting so bad right now that for the life of me I can't figure out why they can't come to an agreemment to send guys there to work. Guys like J.D. Drake and Bear Country are completely lost in AEW but could do something in ROH in at least stay fresh. J.D. Drake and Bear Country aren't under contract to AEW, though. I thought they were, but there are certainly plenty of examples of guys who are under contract and in the same situation. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Oct 6th, 2021 10:30 am PM Quote Reply 1802nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: One thing with AEW's roster is that I think the idea was that guys would be cycled in an out and would go out on tour to Japan, Mexico and China. Covid screwed all that, obviously, but I think they will get back to that eventually. This is true, but it also looked like they would do more with Impact. They've settled into a routine of booking one of their top stars to be Impact champion and then he carries that company for a while, and that's it. But at the beginning they sent Private Party there too for more seasoning, and it looked like it would be a place for some other guys to work more against vets in real programs instead of just doing jobs on Dark. Then they stopped that. It's a missed opportunity. And ROH is hurting so bad right now that for the life of me I can't figure out why they can't come to an agreemment to send guys there to work. Guys like J.D. Drake and Bear Country are completely lost in AEW but could do something in ROH in at least stay fresh. J.D. Drake and Bear Country aren't under contract to AEW, though. I thought they were, but there are certainly plenty of examples of guys who are under contract and in the same situation. I think the way AEW uses so much uncontracted talent makes the roster look much bigger than it actually is. Also, none of us have a clue what an AEW contract looks like. They certainly aren't barred from working outside of AEW (obviously they have to get it cleared, but pretty much every weekend is free). Those that choose not to are probably just happy with their AEW deal. We know that some of them have other jobs as well, either inside or or outside of AEW. The fact that AEW use uncontracted talent, and gives some of them somewhat of a push, tells me that there is no imminent mass release coming, because they are still giving spots, and good spots, to outside talent. And anyway, unless someone wanted to join WWE, if someone wasn't being used and was unhappy about it, it seems that they could look for outside opportunities without having to cut ties with AEW. On the Matt Cardona deal. I'm guessing that he wanted a full time deal, and got upset when he didn't get one straight away. I'm sure that if he had been happy to work on an ad hoc basis, they would have kept him around and he could have worked his way into a good spot. Last edited on Wed Oct 6th, 2021 10:30 am by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 05:04 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1803rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: AEW Dark in Philly brought back a lot of familiar faces who live in the area, including former WCW star “Crowbar” Devon Storm, ROH original Cheech, former Impact star Kevin “KM” Mathews, former WWE star Colin Delaney, and a special cameo appearance from the Blue Meanie. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 02:11 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1804th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Bobby Fish has signed with AEW following his match on Dynamite last night. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 02:30 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1805th Post martini Wrestling Classics Owner Joined: Fri Aug 13th, 2010 Location: Posts: 4240 Status: Offline Mana: Was it me or did the finish of the ladder match just seem anticlimactic? ____________________ Shaken, but not stirred. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 02:45 pm PM Quote Reply 1806th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/297.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu297')">martinia> wrote: Was it me or did the finish of the ladder match just seem anticlimactic? I guess it just depends on how invested you are in the Omega-Page story. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 02:57 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1807th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/297.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu297')">martinia> wrote: Was it me or did the finish of the ladder match just seem anticlimactic? I guess it just depends on how invested you are in the Omega-Page story. Page is still super over but it'll be interesting to see where he fits in with all the new top guys that have come since he's been on paternity leave. Do they really jump him over Danielson and Punk and give him the AEW title now? Or has that window closed? He's obviously getting the title shot so I'm inclined to believe they have to go back to the original plan and put the strap on him. That was clearly always the plan since he lost the match to Jericho to crown the first champion. It just seems like a lot changed since then and I wasn't expecting him to come right back into that spot. Punk and Danielson don't need the belt and Punk isn't even in the title picture right now, so it probably makes sense to go with Page. Maybe the thought is that the Danielson-Omega re-matches can draw without the title on the line, but then Omega really needs to win. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 03:03 pm PM Quote Reply 1808th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I don't think Punk wants the title. He seems to be happy fighting the younger guys at the moment. They have to put the title on Page, because it's all going to be part of Omega's redemption story. Danielson's story right now is that he needs to work his way up the rankings to get a title shot. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 03:32 pm PM Quote Reply 1809th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Is anyone enjoying the Dan Lambert story? I have zero interest in MMA so I have no idea who all those goofs who don't know how to work are. They're not going to have good pro wrestling matches, so what's the point? Lambert has good delivery, but his promos suck. He's not Jim Cornette, he's your friend who keeps telling you that wrestling is fake, and that just doesn't work inside a wrestling angle. I can't tell whether he has real heat or go away heat from the live crowds. Probably a bit of both. And he's not going going wrestle anyone, so his promos are all mis-directed. Watch an old school manager's promo, they get the heat on their charges, not on themselves. He's doing nothing for Sky and Pahe, who would be better off without him, since Sky is a decent promo, and Pahe is good to great. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 05:39 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1810th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Is anyone enjoying the Dan Lambert story? I have zero interest in MMA so I have no idea who all those goofs who don't know how to work are. They're not going to have good pro wrestling matches, so what's the point? Lambert has good delivery, but his promos suck. He's not Jim Cornette, he's your friend who keeps telling you that wrestling is fake, and that just doesn't work inside a wrestling angle. I can't tell whether he has real heat or go away heat from the live crowds. Probably a bit of both. And he's not going going wrestle anyone, so his promos are all mis-directed. Watch an old school manager's promo, they get the heat on their charges, not on themselves. He's doing nothing for Sky and Pahe, who would be better off without him, since Sky is a decent promo, and Pahe is good to great. I like Lambert, although I thought he was better in Impact. Junior Dos Santos, Paige Van Zandt, and Andrei Arlovski are 3 legit big names from the UFC, although all past their primes by a good bit. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 05:55 pm PM Quote Reply 1811th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Is anyone enjoying the Dan Lambert story? I have zero interest in MMA so I have no idea who all those goofs who don't know how to work are. They're not going to have good pro wrestling matches, so what's the point? Lambert has good delivery, but his promos suck. He's not Jim Cornette, he's your friend who keeps telling you that wrestling is fake, and that just doesn't work inside a wrestling angle. I can't tell whether he has real heat or go away heat from the live crowds. Probably a bit of both. And he's not going going wrestle anyone, so his promos are all mis-directed. Watch an old school manager's promo, they get the heat on their charges, not on themselves. He's doing nothing for Sky and Pahe, who would be better off without him, since Sky is a decent promo, and Pahe is good to great. I like Lambert, although I thought he was better in Impact. Junior Dos Santos, Paige Van Zandt, and Andrei Arlovski are 3 legit big names from the UFC, although all past their primes by a good bit. I guess they are going for the "if this was a shoot" marks. It's a big thumbs down from me. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 08:03 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1812th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Cornette on Lio Rush: “ He has retired at least twice right from wrestling. Every time he gets fired, or he gets hurt, he retires. Now he is back signed with another company. It's not like there’s been popular demand or an outcry from the populace of the country. But he’s unretired more than Terry Funk did. And now, apparently, he's rich, he’s made money on investments, he’s made money on leveraged buyouts and he’s now Leveraged Buyout Rush, L.B.O Rush. So we are expected to believe that this mental case is the Wolf of Wall Street. If they had made him a manager, he would have been the hottest thing in the world, but he insists on wrestling and it's embarrassing because he’s the size of a small child.” ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 08:16 pm PM Quote Reply 1813th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Cornette on Lio Rush: “ He has retired at least twice right from wrestling. Every time he gets fired, or he gets hurt, he retires. Now he is back signed with another company. It's not like there’s been popular demand or an outcry from the populace of the country. But he’s unretired more than Terry Funk did. And now, apparently, he's rich, he’s made money on investments, he’s made money on leveraged buyouts and he’s now Leveraged Buyout Rush, L.B.O Rush. So we are expected to believe that this mental case is the Wolf of Wall Street. If they had made him a manager, he would have been the hottest thing in the world, but he insists on wrestling and it's embarrassing because he’s the size of a small child.” Was Jim Cornette's mother rich. Can he even play tennis? ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 9th, 2021 11:27 am PM Quote Reply 1814th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: From last night's Rampage, it looks like Lio Rush is being brought in as a manager. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 9th, 2021 02:12 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1815th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Saw a post-show segment where Tony Khan thanked the Philly fans and put over his fandom of the ECW days, calling Taz and Chris Jericho to the ring to be recognized, along with Dean Malenko and Jerry Lynn out of the back where each had a few words to the crowd. CM Punk limped out and admitted he wasn't invited, but wanted to join the fun as a former ECW champ, acknowledging the other talents for paving the way for him. Seemed like the segment was a good way to send the crowd home happy. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 9th, 2021 03:24 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1816th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Saw a post-show segment where Tony Khan thanked the Philly fans and put over his fandom of the ECW days, calling Taz and Chris Jericho to the ring to be recognized, along with Dean Malenko and Jerry Lynn out of the back where each had a few words to the crowd. CM Punk limped out and admitted he wasn't invited, but wanted to join the fun as a former ECW champ, acknowledging the other talents for paving the way for him. Seemed like the segment was a good way to send the crowd home happy. AEW has done a good job of not shoving anyone down the fans’ throats, but it’s getting close already with Punk. I know it was only a dark segment, but Punk didn’t need to be involved in that and that version of the ECW title is best left forgotten. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Oct 12th, 2021 07:04 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1817th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tony Khan gave a radio interview where he said all rumors about Bray Wyatt coming in imminently are false and they’ve never spoken. He did say “you never know” when it comes to a future deal. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2021 09:37 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1818th Post krazykid18 The Prophet Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: Danielson vs Minuro nice but Tony has to start writing some good storylines with these matches Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2021 09:53 pm PM Quote Reply 1819th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: Danielson vs Minuro nice but Tony has to start writing some good storylines with these matches The story is that Danielson wants to show Suzuki what he has learned since they last met. That's really enough for a pre-show match between these two guys. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2021 10:16 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1820th Post krazykid18 The Prophet Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: Danielson vs Minuro nice but Tony has to start writing some good storylines with these matches The story is that Danielson wants to show Suzuki what he has learned since they last met. That's really enough for a pre-show match between these two guys. That is the bs story Danielson put out on twitter ... we are talking about real storyline in the course of TV of why this match is being made... Danielson is fueding with the Elite and seems to have his hand full with that but he can now get his revenge on Minoru cmon AEW has to do better, Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2021 10:22 pm PM Quote Reply 1821st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: Danielson vs Minuro nice but Tony has to start writing some good storylines with these matches The story is that Danielson wants to show Suzuki what he has learned since they last met. That's really enough for a pre-show match between these two guys. That is the bs story Danielson put out on twitter ... we are talking about real storyline in the course of TV of why this match is being made... Danielson is fueding with the Elite and seems to have his hand full with that but he can now get his revenge on Minoru cmon AEW has to do better, Well, the shoot reason is that they want to sell more tickets for the Friday night show, and it also gives them an opportunity to maybe steal some viewers from SmackDown. It's basically a dark match (pardon the pun). Just don't watch it if you're not interested. If this match was on Dynamite or Rampage, I would agree with you. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2021 10:25 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1822nd Post Franchise Low key big hog Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Ohio , USA Posts: 6045 Status: Offline Mana: Where is this pre show match going to air? ____________________ Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2021 10:26 pm PM Quote Reply 1823rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/22.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu22')">Franchisea> wrote: Where is this pre show match going to air? YouTube. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2021 10:36 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1824th Post krazykid18 The Prophet Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: Danielson vs Minuro nice but Tony has to start writing some good storylines with these matches The story is that Danielson wants to show Suzuki what he has learned since they last met. That's really enough for a pre-show match between these two guys. That is the bs story Danielson put out on twitter ... we are talking about real storyline in the course of TV of why this match is being made... Danielson is fueding with the Elite and seems to have his hand full with that but he can now get his revenge on Minoru cmon AEW has to do better, Well, the shoot reason is that they want to sell more tickets for the Friday night show, and it also gives them an opportunity to maybe steal some viewers from SmackDown. It's basically a dark match (pardon the pun). Just don't watch it if you're not interested. If this match was on Dynamite or Rampage, I would agree with you. but how does a youtube show hurt WWE, it is the same audience who will watch on FS1, they will probably watch both at the same time ..relax with your don't watch just trying to see the logic i know Tony pays well for you to defend some of his decisions LMAO Last edited on Wed Oct 13th, 2021 10:36 pm by krazykid18 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2021 10:48 pm PM Quote Reply 1825th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: Danielson vs Minuro nice but Tony has to start writing some good storylines with these matches The story is that Danielson wants to show Suzuki what he has learned since they last met. That's really enough for a pre-show match between these two guys. That is the bs story Danielson put out on twitter ... we are talking about real storyline in the course of TV of why this match is being made... Danielson is fueding with the Elite and seems to have his hand full with that but he can now get his revenge on Minoru cmon AEW has to do better, Well, the shoot reason is that they want to sell more tickets for the Friday night show, and it also gives them an opportunity to maybe steal some viewers from SmackDown. It's basically a dark match (pardon the pun). Just don't watch it if you're not interested. If this match was on Dynamite or Rampage, I would agree with you. but how does a youtube show hurt WWE, it is the same audience who will watch on FS1, they will probably watch both at the same time ..relax with your don't watch just trying to see the logic i know Tony pays well for you to defend some of his decisions LMAO There must be a few people who would watch SmackDown but will now watch this match on YouTube because they want to watch it live. Not many, but the main reason for this match, I think, is to sell some last minute tickets for the Friday show in Miami. And sometimes it's enough to just book a match that people know will be good. I think Suzuki is going back to Japan soon, so it just works out for everyone to do the match now. And as I said... the bit in bold. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2021 10:59 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1826th Post krazykid18 The Prophet Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: Danielson vs Minuro nice but Tony has to start writing some good storylines with these matches The story is that Danielson wants to show Suzuki what he has learned since they last met. That's really enough for a pre-show match between these two guys. That is the bs story Danielson put out on twitter ... we are talking about real storyline in the course of TV of why this match is being made... Danielson is fueding with the Elite and seems to have his hand full with that but he can now get his revenge on Minoru cmon AEW has to do better, Well, the shoot reason is that they want to sell more tickets for the Friday night show, and it also gives them an opportunity to maybe steal some viewers from SmackDown. It's basically a dark match (pardon the pun). Just don't watch it if you're not interested. If this match was on Dynamite or Rampage, I would agree with you. but how does a youtube show hurt WWE, it is the same audience who will watch on FS1, they will probably watch both at the same time ..relax with your don't watch just trying to see the logic i know Tony pays well for you to defend some of his decisions LMAO There must be a few people who would watch SmackDown but will now watch this match on YouTube because they want to watch it live. Not many, but the main reason for this match, I think, is to sell some last minute tickets for the Friday show in Miami. And sometimes it's enough to just book a match that people know will be good. I think Suzuki is going back to Japan soon, so it just works out for everyone to do the match now. And as I said... the bit in bold. That's a good point actually it is not on TV so you have a good point about Danielson explanation why... Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2021 11:25 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1827th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Miami is selling much more poorly than the other markets so if this is only on YouTube it has more to do with the gate than Smackdown. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Oct 15th, 2021 12:27 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1828th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: In Dynamite’s usual time slot, NHL hockey drew 817,000 viewers, less than AEW usually gets but higher than TNT was expecting and considered a win for the NHL. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 12:09 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1829th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: The Bucks have to stop reacting to every WWE jobber. WrestlingHeadlines.com: AEW’s The Young Bucks and WWE’s “Top Dolla” AJ Francis of Hit Row have been trending on social media due to a few jabs between the two sides. Top Dolla took to Twitter this week and made a tweet about wrestlers and sneakers. He did not name Matt Jackson or Nick Jackson, but they are two of the biggest sneaker-heads in pro wrestling. “Some of y’all favorite wrestlers only wear sneakers on-camera to seem “cool & hip” but in real life they rock vans and ASICS exclusively… but y’all not ready for that conversation [zipper lips emoji],” Dolla wrote. MVP responded and asked Dolla to name names. Dolla wrote back, “I prefer not to mention members of the competition. But if you watch they show, they tell on themselves [laughing emoji]” The Bucks apparently took this personal as they changed their Twitter bios to take a shot at the WWE NXT roster. They wrote as their bio, “Spent more on sneakers in September than the entire NXT roster did.” ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 12:56 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1830th Post kargol Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: I wear ASICS almost exclusively. What's the conversation about that? ____________________ superfunkymean Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 12:58 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1831st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/46.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu46')">kargola> wrote: I wear ASICS almost exclusively. What's the conversation about that? I know nothing about sneakers and care even less, but I’m assuming they’re nowhere near as cool and expensive as the limited edition Jordans the Bucks wear on TV. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 10:06 am PM Quote Reply 1832nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: CM Punk sucks in 2021. It's all been downhill since his debut. Comes out every week to deliver a promo about nothing. Fights random people with little or no build. He gets blown up after 3 minutes and looks every bit the middle aged man he is with his white beard. He's not elevating his opponents, they are carrying him. The crowd still love him, but will that last? I'm exaggerating, but only a little. The guy needs a feud and needs to be cutting promos on... something. Danielson-Suzuki was fucking awesome. Punk-Sydal was pretty ordinary, and left me feeling that the wrong guy won. They need to do more than just wheel him out every week. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 05:32 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1833rd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Did anyone watch Rampage? Junior Dos is pretty terrible and to book him and not try to really protect his many weaknesses is pretty stupid, if there was any money in him in the first place. Punk's match was good and the women's match was decent. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 06:29 pm PM Quote Reply 1834th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Did anyone watch Rampage? Junior Dos is pretty terrible and to book him and not try to really protect his many weaknesses is pretty stupid, if there was any money in him in the first place. Punk's match was good and the women's match was decent. I really wanted more from that Punk match. Where were Lio Rush and Dante Martin? Punk isn't having the 5* matches that Danielson is, so he needs to start a program with someone. Sydal should have won the match. The match itself was fine in a vaccum. I enjoyed the main event until the end. I was just about okay with 2 random MMA goofs, but then three more appeared from the crowd. Even after watching the previews, I have no idea who any of these guys are. Why did Santana & Ortiz wait so long to make the save? I hope that's part of the story. I shouldn't really complain. That was a very good 2 hours of wrestling. But with that Danielson-Suzuiki match, the other 90 minutes could have been all Randy Orton vs Sheamus and I would still have been happy. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 06:50 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1835th Post Franchise Low key big hog Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Ohio , USA Posts: 6045 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/46.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu46')">kargola> wrote: I wear ASICS almost exclusively. What's the conversation about that? Do you also wear cargo shorts? ____________________ Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 07:11 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1836th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Punk v Sydal was fine in a vacuum, I can sort of agree with . I have no idea why Sydal winning would be a good idea, on Rampage. You're right that he needs to have something to cut a promo on, a reason to exist beyond just loving being back. I don't like six man tag matches and all this hoopla with half dozen other people was shit. But Dos Santos was the stand out, for all the wrong reasons. Last edited on Sat Oct 16th, 2021 07:13 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 07:14 pm PM Quote Reply 1837th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Punk v Sydal was fine in a vacuum. I have no idea why Sydal winning would be a good idea, on Rampage. Sydal was the better man in the match. Would have been a nice story for Punk to lose in an upset. Have an angle that he needs to up his game to compete in 2021, which is also a shoot. What does he do now? Move onto the next one-off match? ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 07:20 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1838th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Punk v Sydal was fine in a vacuum. I have no idea why Sydal winning would be a good idea, on Rampage. Sydal was the better man in the match. Would have been a nice story for Punk to lose in an upset. Have an angle that he needs to up his game to compete in 2021, which is also a shoot. What does he do now? Move onto the next one-off match? Punk doing his first job to Sydal, a near-40 year old journeyman, makes no sense. He’ll job to someone younger who needs the rub and who AEW has plans for. And he’ll get involved in feuds in due time also. It’s been a few weeks, they’re using him exactly as they should right now. My biggest complaint about last night was that the YouTube show was better than Rampage, but then never even mentioned on Rampage. AEW still provides way too much content for the diehards only that is even hard for someone like me to keep up with. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 07:25 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1839th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Punk v Sydal was fine in a vacuum. I have no idea why Sydal winning would be a good idea, on Rampage. Sydal was the better man in the match. Would have been a nice story for Punk to lose in an upset. Have an angle that he needs to up his game to compete in 2021, which is also a shoot. What does he do now? Move onto the next one-off match? I think that would have been insane. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 07:25 pm PM Quote Reply 1840th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Punk can't keep beating guys who are outwrestling him though. He can't keep using the wily veteran sneaking in his finisher gimmick. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 07:29 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1841st Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: He's only had four(?) matches though. Beating him now, and on the B show against a guy who is good but who they are never gonna do anything with is a bad idea. They need to have a proper angle before he loses. Making an angle out of him losing by surprise on TV isn't good IMO Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 07:33 pm PM Quote Reply 1842nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: He's only had four(?) matches though. Beating him now, and on the B show against a guy who is good but who they are never gonna do anything with is a bad idea. They need to have a proper angle before he loses. Making an angle out of him losing by surprise on TV isn't good IMO What's his story. The long-term booking is usually very good in AEW, but I can't see where this is going at all. Maybe TK will prove me wrong, we'll see. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 07:42 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1843rd Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: I saw a replay of Rhodes to the Top which was part of their back to back episodes airing last week. Cody references Paul Wight as "Show" in discussing the weigh-in segment with Agogo. It's a meaningless point in today's landscape, but us oldtimers remember the naming rights kerfuffles from Hall and Nash, even using Kevin Wacholz as The Prisoner. I don't when it specifically crossed over but I used to watch wrestling with an eye for the competition, and somewhere along the way it became scrutiny of whatever offhanded comment might lead to litigation. Rooting for businesses to profit was not what made me a fan in my wide-eyed youth. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 07:46 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1844th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: I saw a replay of Rhodes to the Top which was part of their back to back episodes airing last week. Cody references Paul Wight as "Show" in discussing the weigh-in segment with Agogo. It's a meaningless point in today's landscape, but us oldtimers remember the naming rights kerfuffles from Hall and Nash, even using Kevin Wacholz as The Prisoner. I don't when it specifically crossed over but I used to watch wrestling with an eye for the competition, and somewhere along the way it became scrutiny of whatever offhanded comment might lead to litigation. Rooting for businesses to profit was not what made me a fan in my wide-eyed youth. Bobby Heenan once called Meng Haku on Nitro, and when they came back from commercial Eric Bischoff apologized for what he called “an honest mistake” and semi-sarcastically said “don’t sue us.” That was at a time when Vince legitimately might’ve though. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2021 07:52 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1845th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: AEW has officially signed Brodie Lee’s widow Amanda Huber to a contract. She’ll be doing a community outreach type of job. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 17th, 2021 01:25 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1846th Post cheapseats Joined: Thu Jul 8th, 2010 Location: Eastern Panhandle , West Virginia USA Posts: 1249 Status: Offline Mana: Punk looked like he was blown up in no time. His offense had no oomph. His plodding movements made Harley Race look like a spot monkey. It was embarrassing to be honest. Sydal looked great . Offense was crisp. Timing was good. He looked great despite taking the loss. Last edited on Sun Oct 17th, 2021 01:26 am by cheapseats ____________________ Never said that I could 100 % substantiate it. And convincing you 100 % is not a concern of mine. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 17th, 2021 03:00 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1847th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: FTR have won the AAA Tag titles from the Lucha Bros on Dynamite. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 17th, 2021 03:02 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1848th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Punk with a callback, noting after a Serena Deeb interview backstage which turned into a brawl, that Deeb had an impressive head of hair. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 17th, 2021 03:05 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1849th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Also when talking about the Bucks/Cole attack on Luchasaurus/Jungle Boy in another backstage brawl, Punk asked "When you are fighting a dinosaur, don't you want to bring your very best?" Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 17th, 2021 04:27 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1850th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Also when talking about the Bucks/Cole attack on Luchasaurus/Jungle Boy in another backstage brawl, Punk asked "When you are fighting a dinosaur, don't you want to bring your very best?" "Jon Moxley sporting some fresh battle wounds from a previous war, coming in here like he's still in it." - CM Punk referencing Moxley's death match with Nick Gage last weekend ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 17th, 2021 05:14 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1851st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: I saw a replay of Rhodes to the Top which was part of their back to back episodes airing last week. Cody references Paul Wight as "Show" in discussing the weigh-in segment with Agogo. It's a meaningless point in today's landscape, but us oldtimers remember the naming rights kerfuffles from Hall and Nash, even using Kevin Wacholz as The Prisoner. I don't when it specifically crossed over but I used to watch wrestling with an eye for the competition, and somewhere along the way it became scrutiny of whatever offhanded comment might lead to litigation. Rooting for businesses to profit was not what made me a fan in my wide-eyed youth. Bobby Heenan once called Meng Haku on Nitro, and when they came back from commercial Eric Bischoff apologized for what he called “an honest mistake” and semi-sarcastically said “don’t sue us.” That was at a time when Vince legitimately might’ve though. Perfect timing for this conversation. Just tonight on Dynamite, Punk said, "Every time you see Daniel Bryan, uh, Bryan Danielson, you know I'm just gonna call him American Dragon from now on...(to Jim Ross) I hope I'm making you feel better because it's proven that it's not just you." ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 17th, 2021 12:10 pm PM Quote Reply 1852nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: If we are talking callbacks, there was some significance to the Conti-Garrett match on Friday night. The first 15 minute segment that NXT ever won in the Wednesday night wars was when a Conti-Garrett match on NXT outdrew a Dark Order match by 4,000 viewers. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 17th, 2021 04:18 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1853rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Lee Moriatty has signed with AEW…again. It seemed this was a done deal a month ago but maybe they just waited until he finished all his ROH and MLW dates to give him the “Elite” label. It was made official after his loss to Bobby Fish on Rampage. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 17th, 2021 05:58 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1854th Post Big Garea Fan MR BASKETBALL Joined: Wed Mar 4th, 2009 Location: Posts: 4686 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/22.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu22')">Franchisea> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/46.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu46')">kargola> wrote: I wear ASICS almost exclusively. What's the conversation about that? Do you also wear cargo shorts? Hold on a sec - what's wrong with cargo shorts? I live in cargo shorts / cargo pants. Love the side pockets so I don't have to sit on my wallet. Pockets are big so they can hold my cell phone, wallet, etc. If you are a father with a small child, cargo shorts / pants are a godsend. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 17th, 2021 07:34 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1855th Post Franchise Low key big hog Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Ohio , USA Posts: 6045 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/233.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu233')">Big Garea Fana> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/22.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu22')">Franchisea> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/46.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu46')">kargola> wrote: I wear ASICS almost exclusively. What's the conversation about that? Do you also wear cargo shorts? Hold on a sec - what's wrong with cargo shorts? I live in cargo shorts / cargo pants. Love the side pockets so I don't have to sit on my wallet. Pockets are big so they can hold my cell phone, wallet, etc. If you are a father with a small child, cargo shorts / pants are a godsend. It's a rough look but I'm sure you pull it off well. ____________________ Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 17th, 2021 09:59 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1856th Post hammettime Joined: Mon Mar 8th, 2010 Location: Posts: 568 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/233.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu233')">Big Garea Fana> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/22.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu22')">Franchisea> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/46.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu46')">kargola> wrote: I wear ASICS almost exclusively. What's the conversation about that? Do you also wear cargo shorts? Hold on a sec - what's wrong with cargo shorts? I live in cargo shorts / cargo pants. Love the side pockets so I don't have to sit on my wallet. Pockets are big so they can hold my cell phone, wallet, etc. If you are a father with a small child, cargo shorts / pants are a godsend. “No ones gotten a handjob in cargos since ‘Nam!” -Jonah hills character, “Superbad” 🤣😂 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Oct 18th, 2021 12:43 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1857th Post kargol Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/22.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu22')">Franchisea> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/46.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu46')">kargola> wrote: I wear ASICS almost exclusively. What's the conversation about that? Do you also wear cargo shorts? God no. Truth be told I only wear ASICS because I get them cheap from the outlet and I know they fit me. ____________________ superfunkymean Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Oct 19th, 2021 02:52 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1858th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: "Look, Roman can talk about me all he wants. He's a WWE backed puppet with his head so far up Vince McMahon's ass that he can probably see the Saudi Crown Prince up there. I run pro wrestling, Shiny Teeth can keep my name out his mouth. I preferred Leakee anyway.” - CM Punk ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Oct 19th, 2021 07:10 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1859th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: SBNation: The final television numbers are in for Fri., Oct. 15, and everyone wins! The segment breakdowns will come later, but we have the final numbers for Rampage and SmackDown. They’re such that everyone can declare victory. As the overnights told us, WWE had more viewers. The official tally ended up with 866,000 people watching SmackDown on FS1 from 8 - 10:30pm ET, and 578,000 watching Rampage on TNT from 10 - 11pm ET. What the numbers from the weekend didn’t give us an accurate look at were the ratings. The overall 18 - 49 year old demographic was a dead heat at .24. AEW won men in that demo (.34 to .32); WWE was watched by more 18 - 49 year old women (.16 to .14). In the 18 - 34 overalls, Rampage scored a .17, better than the .15 SmackDown pulled. The shows finished in third and fourth among cable originals on the night, behind only ESPN’s college football coverage. Courtesy of Wrestlenomics’ Brandon Thurston & Pro Wrestling Torch, we have the quarter hours, which tell the story of the half-hour both shows were on the air. It’s a similarly mixed picture, with SmackDown winning in viewers and the older half of the key demo. Rampage drew better in overall 18 - 49 and overall 18 - 34. Tony Khan is excited. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 21st, 2021 12:30 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1860th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: MJF on Roman Reigns (of course he’s always in character so take it with a grain of salt): "Roman Reigns lost in the key demographic to Ruby Soho, and Ruby Soho sucks so I don't know what to tell you. Don't get me wrong, that's not me shitting on Roman Reigns. I think Roman Reigns is a hell of a performer, he really is. I think he's absolutely incredible. Am I better than him on the mic and in the ring? Sure, but I'm not gonna go out of my way and talk shit about him because I respect him. I respect what he does. I respect the hard work that goes into putting out that product that is WWE. Again, someday I might work there. I'm also sure if he sees this, he'll pretend he doesn't know who I am because that's what they do over there. When in reality I know that they're all watching our stuff. Again, I cannot stress this enough, a huge fan of Roman Reigns. I think he's great. Would love to work with him one day." ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 21st, 2021 01:05 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1861st Post WongLee HALL OF FAMER Joined: Fri Oct 19th, 2007 Location: East Patchogue, New York USA Posts: 8988 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/292.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu292')">cheapseatsa> wrote: His plodding movements made Harley Race look like a spot monkey. Thanks for my new sig. ____________________ ...quite frankly, who the fuck is Ad Santel? - srossi. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 21st, 2021 02:01 pm PM Quote Reply 1862nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I read the Young Bucks' "Killing the Business" book this past week. As is the case with most wrestling autobiographies, the writing is terrible, at a children's reading age level, and with awful grammar. It also includes my pet peeve of over explaining every wrestling term, as if anyone who doesn't know wrestling will ever read this book. So, for style it gets 2/10, but for content, I'd give it a 7/10. If you are interested in their careers or the birth of AEW, it's a decent read. They may be overselling quite how important they were/are in the world of wrestling, but's their book. Some interesting takeaways that I got though as relates to this AEW thread: 1) These guys are genuine good guys. Pretty much everyone who helped them along the way now works for AEW, or is still with WWE. I'm now 99% confident that we'll see Kevin Steen in AEW sooner rather than later. 2) AEW isn't going anywhere unless Tony Khan gets bored of it all and closes it down. This company is never going to run out of money. AEW pays all the travel and hotels for the wrestlers when they are on the road, along with paying people something that is comparable to a WWE contract. Khan is money mark, but he's a good booker and his pockets are unfathomably deep. Side story: back during the pandemic era, those Dark tapings were so long because he wanted to bring in enough extras to fill the ringside area and make some noise. It's been reported that he paid all their expenses plus way more money than they would have worked for. They then all got to wrestle because he wanted to give everyone some exposure, and those tapings sometimes went on until 3am. 3) Triple H first offered Kenny and the Bucks half a mil each a year for three years, with an option to walk away after a year. He then came back with 3 mil each over three years with a reduced schedule and also wanted to buy All In for the Network. They suspect that Triple H might have known they were talking Khan (who had said that he would walk away from the project without Kenny and the Bucks) and that this was a last ditch effort to stop AEW before it started. Maybe this started Triple H falling out of favor with Vince. If he could have signed Kenny and the Bucks, AEW might never have bene a thing. Then he went on to lose the Wednesday night war, and there hasn't been a word about him since his operation. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 21st, 2021 04:52 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1863rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I read the Young Bucks' "Killing the Business" book this past week. As is the case with most wrestling autobiographies, the writing is terrible, at a children's reading age level, and with awful grammar. It also includes my pet peeve of over explaining every wrestling term, as if anyone who doesn't know wrestling will ever read this book. So, for style it gets 2/10, but for content, I'd give it a 7/10. I'm surprised and disappointed to hear that. I imagine they didn't get a good ghost writer or one that knew much about wrestling and the publisher made them over-explain things. This is such a niche book that only super hardcores are reading it, the same audience that watches BTE. The best wrestling books are always the ones written by the talents themselves, like Foley and Bret. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 21st, 2021 05:14 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1864th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I read the Young Bucks' "Killing the Business" book this past week. As is the case with most wrestling autobiographies, the writing is terrible, at a children's reading age level, and with awful grammar. It also includes my pet peeve of over explaining every wrestling term, as if anyone who doesn't know wrestling will ever read this book. So, for style it gets 2/10, but for content, I'd give it a 7/10. I'm surprised and disappointed to hear that. I imagine they didn't get a good ghost writer or one that knew much about wrestling and the publisher made them over-explain things. This is such a niche book that only super hardcores are reading it, the same audience that watches BTE. The best wrestling books are always the ones written by the talents themselves, like Foley and Bret. The Young Bucks are as cheap as Foley - they probably wrote it themselves on a yellow pad and sent it to the publisher. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 21st, 2021 05:21 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1865th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I read the Young Bucks' "Killing the Business" book this past week. As is the case with most wrestling autobiographies, the writing is terrible, at a children's reading age level, and with awful grammar. It also includes my pet peeve of over explaining every wrestling term, as if anyone who doesn't know wrestling will ever read this book. So, for style it gets 2/10, but for content, I'd give it a 7/10. I'm surprised and disappointed to hear that. I imagine they didn't get a good ghost writer or one that knew much about wrestling and the publisher made them over-explain things. This is such a niche book that only super hardcores are reading it, the same audience that watches BTE. The best wrestling books are always the ones written by the talents themselves, like Foley and Bret. The Young Bucks are as cheap as Foley - they probably wrote it themselves on a yellow pad and sent it to the publisher. If that makes Foley cheap then I wish every celebrity would be so cheap. That's an odd thing to say. Foley's books are the gold standard of wrestling books, and the publisher would pay for the ghostwriter anyway. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 21st, 2021 05:41 pm PM Quote Reply 1866th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I read the Young Bucks' "Killing the Business" book this past week. As is the case with most wrestling autobiographies, the writing is terrible, at a children's reading age level, and with awful grammar. It also includes my pet peeve of over explaining every wrestling term, as if anyone who doesn't know wrestling will ever read this book. So, for style it gets 2/10, but for content, I'd give it a 7/10. I'm surprised and disappointed to hear that. I imagine they didn't get a good ghost writer or one that knew much about wrestling and the publisher made them over-explain things. This is such a niche book that only super hardcores are reading it, the same audience that watches BTE. The best wrestling books are always the ones written by the talents themselves, like Foley and Bret. The Young Bucks are as cheap as Foley - they probably wrote it themselves on a yellow pad and sent it to the publisher. The epilogue of the books says they wrote the entire book on their iPhones while travelling. The structure of the book is that each brother writes alternating chapters, but you never get two different sides of the same story. I found my self constantly going back to see which brother had written a particular part because there is no concept of two different voices writing the book. I assume that this was all done by whoever put the book together. It reads like one person wrote the whole thing, and it's an awkward stylistic choice. It would have been better written as a biography with a competent writer interviewing the brothers and putting it together that way. It's almost a great insight into the indie wrestling boom of the 2010s, the start of NXT and creation of AEW. Almost. It all depends on your tolerance for wrestling book. If you read 5 or more a year, then go for it. If you read one or two, give it a miss. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 23rd, 2021 07:11 pm PM Quote Reply 1867th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: WWE are airing an encore presentation of SmackDown on Fox opposite Dybamite tonight. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Oct 23rd, 2021 07:12 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1868th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: WWE are airing an encore presentation of SmackDown on Fox opposite Dybamite tonight. Well it was so great the first time… ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 24th, 2021 02:27 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1869th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: What a tremendous match by 2 old pros in Dustin Rhodes and Bryan Danielson. Just a great, basic match. And you knew Danielson would win but he even fooled me into thinking he wasn’t kicking out a couple of times. There was more wrestling in that one match than in 2 hours of Smackdown last night. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 24th, 2021 02:36 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1870th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: MJF to Sting: “It’s your fault that your new pal Darby Allin has wound up in the same place as your old pal Lex Luger, in a wheel…” (Sting punches him in the face) Just fantastic. And earlier in the promo, MJF made a crack about the snow that accompanies Sting to the ring being his left-over coke from the ‘80s. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 24th, 2021 03:18 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1871st Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Lance Hoyt/Archer just spiked himself doing a moonsault designed to miss his opponent, Eddie Kingston. After some uneasy moments of being checked by the referee and doctor, he placed himself in position to do a cradle finish so Kingston could advance in the tournament. I don't think Archer ever looked back going up to the top, and Kingston had even moved closer to the corner to give him plenty of room. Just an ugly scene all around. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 24th, 2021 04:17 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1872nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Lance Hoyt/Archer just spiked himself doing a moonsault designed to miss his opponent, Eddie Kingston. After some uneasy moments of being checked by the referee and doctor, he placed himself in position to do a cradle finish so Kingston could advance in the tournament. I don't think Archer ever looked back going up to the top, and Kingston had even moved closer to the corner to give him plenty of room. Just an ugly scene all around. It was as well done as something like that could be. It looked like a legit roll up, unlike to Steve Austin-Owen Hart thing. I think Archer just needs to stop doing moonsaults since he’s a lot older and a lot heavier than he was when he first started. Hopefully he’s ok. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 24th, 2021 03:50 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1873rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: PWInsider: For those who have asked about Lance Archer, we are told that he has been checked out by the AEW medical team and the early word is that he's OK after that scary moonsault on Dynamite while wrestling Eddie Kingston. Archer did leave the ring and walk out unassisted. One would think he's going to be getting some additional tests to confirm there's no issues. We will update if there is anything else that comes about. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 24th, 2021 05:26 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1874th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: PWInsider: For those who have asked about Lance Archer, we are told that he has been checked out by the AEW medical team and the early word is that he's OK after that scary moonsault on Dynamite while wrestling Eddie Kingston. Archer did leave the ring and walk out unassisted. One would think he's going to be getting some additional tests to confirm there's no issues. We will update if there is anything else that comes about. He is a tough son of a bitch, and must have a strong ass neck. That looked almost as bad as when Lesnar spiked himself at Wrestlemania 19 (?) against Angle. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Oct 25th, 2021 01:52 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1875th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: PWInsider: For those who have asked about Lance Archer, we are told that he has been checked out by the AEW medical team and the early word is that he's OK after that scary moonsault on Dynamite while wrestling Eddie Kingston. Archer did leave the ring and walk out unassisted. One would think he's going to be getting some additional tests to confirm there's no issues. We will update if there is anything else that comes about. He is a tough son of a bitch, and must have a strong ass neck. That looked almost as bad as when Lesnar spiked himself at Wrestlemania 19 (?) against Angle. Lance Archer tweeted: “Listen. We choose to do this and take our health n lives in our hands every night. I’ve done that move hundreds of times over my career. Just under rotated. Coulda been MUCH worse. Thank you to ALL at <A HREF="http://www.pwinsider.com%2Farticle%2F152171%2Faew-updates-on-moxley-lance-archer-tony-nese-and-more.html%3Fp%3D1" TARGET="_blank">@aewa> for taking AMAZING care of me and protecting me. I’ll BE BACK!” ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Oct 25th, 2021 02:21 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1876th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: I don't think the result makes any difference in the grand scheme of the tournament, but if the original plan was to match Archer vs. Danielson, the injury to Archer's neck led to a fairly good post-show interview where Kingston was called out by Danielson as always underachieving and not putting the work in necessary to be at the top echelon. Kingston gave it right back to Danielson and it built up a reason to watch it next week. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Oct 25th, 2021 02:30 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1877th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: I don't think the result makes any difference in the grand scheme of the tournament, but if the original plan was to match Archer vs. Danielson, the injury to Archer's neck led to a fairly good post-show interview where Kingston was called out by Danielson as always underachieving and not putting the work in necessary to be at the top echelon. Kingston gave it right back to Danielson and it built up a reason to watch it next week. That was a fantastic promo segment in 60 seconds. WWE’s last 20 minutes and don’t achieve half as much. But Danielson vs. Kingston was always the plan. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Oct 27th, 2021 11:19 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1878th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Multiple sites are reporting that the AEW-Impact working relationship ended with Christian’s loss at Bound For Glory. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 28th, 2021 03:01 am Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1879th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Multiple sites are reporting that the AEW-Impact working relationship ended with Christian’s loss at Bound For Glory. So does it mean the Good Brothers are AEW talent, or Impact talent? Because I think the whole reason they had this relationship was so Anderson and Gallows could hang with their buddies. I think Impact got a tremendous rub with Omega and Christian working their shows and probably not drawing a paycheck from them for it. AEW had to get something out of it, even if Callis may have fucked over Impact on the way out the door. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 28th, 2021 03:16 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1880th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Multiple sites are reporting that the AEW-Impact working relationship ended with Christian’s loss at Bound For Glory. So does it mean the Good Brothers are AEW talent, or Impact talent? Because I think the whole reason they had this relationship was so Anderson and Gallows could hang with their buddies. I think Impact got a tremendous rub with Omega and Christian working their shows and probably not drawing a paycheck from them for it. AEW had to get something out of it, even if Callis may have fucked over Impact on the way out the door. The Good Brothers are still signed to Impact but their contracts expire soon and they’re expected to sign with AEW. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 28th, 2021 08:58 am PM Quote Reply 1881st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Multiple sites are reporting that the AEW-Impact working relationship ended with Christian’s loss at Bound For Glory. So does it mean the Good Brothers are AEW talent, or Impact talent? Because I think the whole reason they had this relationship was so Anderson and Gallows could hang with their buddies. I think Impact got a tremendous rub with Omega and Christian working their shows and probably not drawing a paycheck from them for it. AEW had to get something out of it, even if Callis may have fucked over Impact on the way out the door. The Good Brothers are still signed to Impact but their contracts expire soon and they’re expected to sign with AEW. The Good Brothers haven't been on AEW TV for a few weeks now. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 28th, 2021 09:00 am PM Quote Reply 1882nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: That Dynamite main event was fucking hilarious. I think JR being obviously unimpressed made it even better. One of the fun police at Classics was even moved to question if this was the end of AEW. LOL Last edited on Thu Oct 28th, 2021 01:34 pm by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 28th, 2021 05:36 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1883rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Multiple sites are reporting that the AEW-Impact working relationship ended with Christian’s loss at Bound For Glory. So does it mean the Good Brothers are AEW talent, or Impact talent? Because I think the whole reason they had this relationship was so Anderson and Gallows could hang with their buddies. I think Impact got a tremendous rub with Omega and Christian working their shows and probably not drawing a paycheck from them for it. AEW had to get something out of it, even if Callis may have fucked over Impact on the way out the door. The Good Brothers are still signed to Impact but their contracts expire soon and they’re expected to sign with AEW. The Good Brothers haven't been on AEW TV for a few weeks now. Their Impact contracts expire in July 2022. I had originally thought at the end of the year, but they still have some time. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Oct 28th, 2021 05:39 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1884th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: That Dynamite main event was fucking hilarious. I think JR being obviously unimpressed made it even better. One of the fun police at Classics was even moved to question if this was the end of AEW. LOL Between that and Cody’s promo, it seems like they were intentionally trolling Cornette last night. And JR needs to get the stick out of his ass. It’s one thing to shit on the antics of The Elite I guess since they’re heels, but then he decided to mock Sammy Guevara for his “Spanish God” nickname and he’s a babyface now. JR seemed miserable last night and can barely hide his contempt for the product at times. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Oct 29th, 2021 12:01 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1885th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Couple of good matches in the first hour. I'm currently watching Cody Rhodes cutting a terrible, bizarre, work-shoot bullshit promo. And now mushmouth Andrade is out. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Oct 29th, 2021 12:04 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1886th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Main event entrances now. Fuck me. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Oct 29th, 2021 12:15 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1887th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: The crowd loved that. It's as bad as anything I've watched in a while (aside from Cody's promo) but the crowd loved it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Oct 29th, 2021 09:11 am PM Quote Reply 1888th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: The crowd loved that. It's as bad as anything I've watched in a while (aside from Cody's promo) but the crowd loved it. Those crowd are the biggest thing that AEW has in their favor. It's so much fun to watch a show that the crowd are enjoying so much. Very reminiscent of an ECW crowd, but with 5x the number of people. It's probably a big factor in making people want to sign with AEW as well. If you're in WWE, delivering scripted promos to 1/4 full arenas you might get quite jealous when watching Dynamite. Dynamite is by no means perfect, but it's definitely fun, and the shows fly by. There are about a dozen AEW vlogs right now, and the one common thing is how happy everyone backstage is. Getting the big bucks from Tony Khan probably helps, but you can see why everyone wants to work there. I get the feeling that backstage at WWE is grim as fuck with everyone walking on eggshells. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Oct 29th, 2021 02:25 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1889th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: You're probably spot on there. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Oct 29th, 2021 05:18 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1890th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: The crowd loved that. It's as bad as anything I've watched in a while (aside from Cody's promo) but the crowd loved it. Those crowd are the biggest thing that AEW has in their favor. It's so much fun to watch a show that the crowd are enjoying so much. Very reminiscent of an ECW crowd, but with 5x the number of people. It's probably a big factor in making people want to sign with AEW as well. If you're in WWE, delivering scripted promos to 1/4 full arenas you might get quite jealous when watching Dynamite. Dynamite is by no means perfect, but it's definitely fun, and the shows fly by. There are about a dozen AEW vlogs right now, and the one common thing is how happy everyone backstage is. Getting the big bucks from Tony Khan probably helps, but you can see why everyone wants to work there. I get the feeling that backstage at WWE is grim as fuck with everyone walking on eggshells. I would bet money that Tony Khan doesn't rewrite the whole script two hours before airtime. I would bet money that Tony Khan's only script is the order and timesheet for the advertised matches and the promos. Cody can ramble on as long as he cuts it off on his mark and doesn't go over time. The matches can be spotfests, as long as they get to the finish on his mark and not later. It's pretty easy to keep a locker room happy if you are paying them to do what they love and letting them have a say in how they perform. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Oct 29th, 2021 05:27 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1891st Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: The crowd loved that. It's as bad as anything I've watched in a while (aside from Cody's promo) but the crowd loved it. Those crowd are the biggest thing that AEW has in their favor. It's so much fun to watch a show that the crowd are enjoying so much. Very reminiscent of an ECW crowd, but with 5x the number of people. It's probably a big factor in making people want to sign with AEW as well. If you're in WWE, delivering scripted promos to 1/4 full arenas you might get quite jealous when watching Dynamite. Dynamite is by no means perfect, but it's definitely fun, and the shows fly by. There are about a dozen AEW vlogs right now, and the one common thing is how happy everyone backstage is. Getting the big bucks from Tony Khan probably helps, but you can see why everyone wants to work there. I get the feeling that backstage at WWE is grim as fuck with everyone walking on eggshells. I would bet money that Tony Khan doesn't rewrite the whole script two hours before airtime. I would bet money that Tony Khan's only script is the order and timesheet for the advertised matches and the promos. Cody can ramble on as long as he cuts it off on his mark and doesn't go over time. The matches can be spotfests, as long as they get to the finish on his mark and not later. It's pretty easy to keep a locker room happy if you are paying them to do what they love and letting them have a say in how they perform. But how is the AEW crowd supposed to know what they want without Tony telling them what they want? ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Oct 29th, 2021 05:39 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1892nd Post krazykid18 The Prophet Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: The crowd loved that. It's as bad as anything I've watched in a while (aside from Cody's promo) but the crowd loved it. Those crowd are the biggest thing that AEW has in their favor. It's so much fun to watch a show that the crowd are enjoying so much. Very reminiscent of an ECW crowd, but with 5x the number of people. It's probably a big factor in making people want to sign with AEW as well. If you're in WWE, delivering scripted promos to 1/4 full arenas you might get quite jealous when watching Dynamite. Dynamite is by no means perfect, but it's definitely fun, and the shows fly by. There are about a dozen AEW vlogs right now, and the one common thing is how happy everyone backstage is. Getting the big bucks from Tony Khan probably helps, but you can see why everyone wants to work there. I get the feeling that backstage at WWE is grim as fuck with everyone walking on eggshells. I would bet money that Tony Khan doesn't rewrite the whole script two hours before airtime. I would bet money that Tony Khan's only script is the order and timesheet for the advertised matches and the promos. Cody can ramble on as long as he cuts it off on his mark and doesn't go over time. The matches can be spotfests, as long as they get to the finish on his mark and not later. It's pretty easy to keep a locker room happy if you are paying them to do what they love and letting them have a say in how they perform. This will change soon as keep growing ..tony khan is learning as he grows in this business... and when AEW starts turning serious profit and the business people come in ...remember as the facebook scandal is happening right now there is no such thing as a happy billion dollar company Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Oct 29th, 2021 05:42 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1893rd Post krazykid18 The Prophet Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: The crowd loved that. It's as bad as anything I've watched in a while (aside from Cody's promo) but the crowd loved it. Those crowd are the biggest thing that AEW has in their favor. It's so much fun to watch a show that the crowd are enjoying so much. Very reminiscent of an ECW crowd, but with 5x the number of people. It's probably a big factor in making people want to sign with AEW as well. If you're in WWE, delivering scripted promos to 1/4 full arenas you might get quite jealous when watching Dynamite. Dynamite is by no means perfect, but it's definitely fun, and the shows fly by. There are about a dozen AEW vlogs right now, and the one common thing is how happy everyone backstage is. Getting the big bucks from Tony Khan probably helps, but you can see why everyone wants to work there. I get the feeling that backstage at WWE is grim as fuck with everyone walking on eggshells. I would bet money that Tony Khan doesn't rewrite the whole script two hours before airtime. I would bet money that Tony Khan's only script is the order and timesheet for the advertised matches and the promos. Cody can ramble on as long as he cuts it off on his mark and doesn't go over time. The matches can be spotfests, as long as they get to the finish on his mark and not later. It's pretty easy to keep a locker room happy if you are paying them to do what they love and letting them have a say in how they perform. But how is the AEW crowd supposed to know what they want without Tony telling them what they want? idk but if tony khan was paying some of the members in the crowd like he is paying kriss... i too would be cheering and clapping like a seal for Elite,Orange Cassidy and Dark order nonsense as if they were Hogan in 87.... Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Oct 29th, 2021 05:58 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1894th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: The crowd loved that. It's as bad as anything I've watched in a while (aside from Cody's promo) but the crowd loved it. Those crowd are the biggest thing that AEW has in their favor. It's so much fun to watch a show that the crowd are enjoying so much. Very reminiscent of an ECW crowd, but with 5x the number of people. It's probably a big factor in making people want to sign with AEW as well. If you're in WWE, delivering scripted promos to 1/4 full arenas you might get quite jealous when watching Dynamite. Dynamite is by no means perfect, but it's definitely fun, and the shows fly by. There are about a dozen AEW vlogs right now, and the one common thing is how happy everyone backstage is. Getting the big bucks from Tony Khan probably helps, but you can see why everyone wants to work there. I get the feeling that backstage at WWE is grim as fuck with everyone walking on eggshells. I would bet money that Tony Khan doesn't rewrite the whole script two hours before airtime. I would bet money that Tony Khan's only script is the order and timesheet for the advertised matches and the promos. Cody can ramble on as long as he cuts it off on his mark and doesn't go over time. The matches can be spotfests, as long as they get to the finish on his mark and not later. It's pretty easy to keep a locker room happy if you are paying them to do what they love and letting them have a say in how they perform. But how is the AEW crowd supposed to know what they want without Tony telling them what they want? idk but if tony khan was paying some of the members in the crowd like he is paying kriss... i too would be cheering and clapping like a seal for Elite,Orange Cassidy and Dark order nonsense as if they were Hogan in 87.... I fucking hate The Elite. So I guess they are good at their job. But my hatred is more like XPac heat than hatred for them being heels. The Young Bucks are more full of themselves than Cody ever will be. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Oct 29th, 2021 05:59 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1895th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: The crowd loved that. It's as bad as anything I've watched in a while (aside from Cody's promo) but the crowd loved it. Those crowd are the biggest thing that AEW has in their favor. It's so much fun to watch a show that the crowd are enjoying so much. Very reminiscent of an ECW crowd, but with 5x the number of people. It's probably a big factor in making people want to sign with AEW as well. If you're in WWE, delivering scripted promos to 1/4 full arenas you might get quite jealous when watching Dynamite. Dynamite is by no means perfect, but it's definitely fun, and the shows fly by. There are about a dozen AEW vlogs right now, and the one common thing is how happy everyone backstage is. Getting the big bucks from Tony Khan probably helps, but you can see why everyone wants to work there. I get the feeling that backstage at WWE is grim as fuck with everyone walking on eggshells. I would bet money that Tony Khan doesn't rewrite the whole script two hours before airtime. I would bet money that Tony Khan's only script is the order and timesheet for the advertised matches and the promos. Cody can ramble on as long as he cuts it off on his mark and doesn't go over time. The matches can be spotfests, as long as they get to the finish on his mark and not later. It's pretty easy to keep a locker room happy if you are paying them to do what they love and letting them have a say in how they perform. But how is the AEW crowd supposed to know what they want without Tony telling them what they want? That’s funny because most of the criticism of Tony Khan is that he lets the fans dictate too much what he does and how the show is booked. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 31st, 2021 05:53 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1896th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: MLW featured Bobby Fish vs. Lee Moriarty on TV last night as part of the Opera Cup Tournament. They billed it as an AEW match as part of “The Forbidden Door”, but it was taped before either signed. Coincidentally, Fish would beat Moriarty again in one of their first AEW matches. Fish now faces Davey Richards in the semifinals in what should be a good match, but everyone knows who’s winning that one. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Oct 31st, 2021 08:33 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1897th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Thunder Rosa revealed that she hasn't been around for a while due to a serious concussion. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Nov 3rd, 2021 10:12 pm PM Quote Reply 1898th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: FTR's opponents tonight for the AAA tag titles are Samuray Del Sol and Aero Star. So that's the former Kalisto making his AEW debut. I thought he was a phenomenal in ring performer before he joined WWE, so let's see how much he can remember. This has the potential to be an awesome match. Last edited on Wed Nov 3rd, 2021 10:13 pm by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 4th, 2021 02:32 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1899th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Excalibur started Dynamite off tonight by saying that their thoughts and prayers are with Jon Moxley and his family and they’re rooting for his recovery. It’s impossible to not think he is seriously ill or injured if you haven’t been online today. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 4th, 2021 04:04 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1900th Post Quattro Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: Posts: 4476 Status: Offline Mana: AEW just has too damn many people.
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Posted: Thu Nov 4th, 2021 04:33 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1901st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tonight there was a bit too much talking and some matches were shorter than they should’ve been because of it. That’s a little too Raw-like for my tastes. I also don’t need to hear CM Punk’s thoughts on everyone and everything. Did he need to be the one to go out there and cut the promo about Moxley? AEW has done such a great job of not shoving anyone down our throats, until Punk showed up and now they have to shoehorn him into every show. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 4th, 2021 05:00 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1902nd Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Punk's 7-year theme of work/life balance is one promo that few others could do to show a parallel to Moxley and have any gravity behind it, and also do any kind of transition for Eddie Kingston. Eddie is probably going to get a bump up to being the one filling the Moxley position right now, a short-term way to then bring a few others along. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 4th, 2021 06:21 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1903rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: FTR's opponents tonight for the AAA tag titles are Samuray Del Sol and Aero Star. So that's the former Kalisto making his AEW debut. I thought he was a phenomenal in ring performer before he joined WWE, so let's see how much he can remember. This has the potential to be an awesome match. It was too short and the luchadores blew too many spots. Wound up not being good. According to Cagematch, this was Kalisto's first match, not counting battle royals, in more than 13 months, and it showed. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 4th, 2021 01:43 pm PM Quote Reply 1904th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: FTR's opponents tonight for the AAA tag titles are Samuray Del Sol and Aero Star. So that's the former Kalisto making his AEW debut. I thought he was a phenomenal in ring performer before he joined WWE, so let's see how much he can remember. This has the potential to be an awesome match. It was too short and the luchadores blew too many spots. Wound up not being good. According to Cagematch, this was Kalisto's first match, not counting battle royals, in more than 13 months, and it showed. That was definitely Kalisto and not Samuray Del Sol. A WWE parody version of lucha. He needs to watch Rey Fenix and take some notes. Probably should have had some more practise before going live on TV. Given how upset he was with how he was portrayed in WWE, it was kind of sad to see him bring his WWE character to AEW. I was half hoping he'd wrestle without the mask to keep his story arc going. (He unmasked before joining WWE, probably anticipating that they wouldn't want him to wrestle under a mask.) ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Nov 5th, 2021 02:09 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1905th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: FTR's opponents tonight for the AAA tag titles are Samuray Del Sol and Aero Star. So that's the former Kalisto making his AEW debut. I thought he was a phenomenal in ring performer before he joined WWE, so let's see how much he can remember. This has the potential to be an awesome match. It was too short and the luchadores blew too many spots. Wound up not being good. According to Cagematch, this was Kalisto's first match, not counting battle royals, in more than 13 months, and it showed. That was definitely Kalisto and not Samuray Del Sol. A WWE parody version of lucha. He needs to watch Rey Fenix and take some notes. Probably should have had some more practise before going live on TV. Given how upset he was with how he was portrayed in WWE, it was kind of sad to see him bring his WWE character to AEW. I was half hoping he'd wrestle without the mask to keep his story arc going. (He unmasked before joining WWE, probably anticipating that they wouldn't want him to wrestle under a mask.) Somehow Kalisto seems to have gotten major heat for tweeting that he prayed to Brodie Lee before his AEW debut. In doing so, he wrote “John” instead of Jon. Chris Jericho curtly replied that he spelled his name wrong. Someone mentioned English isn’t his first language and then Brodie’s widow Amanda Huber jumped in to say there’s no excuse to spell his name wrong while he was “name dropping”. Then she got into it with fans who tried to defend him and accused him of being disrespectful. I have no idea why such an innocent mistake led to all that, but I guess the petty bullshit isn’t always limited to WWE. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Nov 5th, 2021 04:15 am PM Quote Reply 1906th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: To me sounds like he was getting Hest for the name-dropping and not the spelling. Maybe he had no connection to Brodie Lee and he was seen as trying to get himself over using the guy's name. Maybe he did or said something backstage. I doubt we'll ever see him again in AEW. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Nov 5th, 2021 04:40 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1907th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: To me sounds like he was getting Hest for the name-dropping and not the spelling. Maybe he had no connection to Brodie Lee and he was seen as trying to get himself over using the guy's name. Maybe he did or said something backstage. I doubt we'll ever see him again in AEW. They worked in WWE together for 5 years. If he says they were friends I don’t know why anyone would doubt that unless he went home to his wife and specifically said he was a dick, which seems unlikely. There was nothing wrong with that tweet. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Nov 5th, 2021 02:01 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1908th Post wittman2 Joined: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 Location: Posts: 938 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Somehow Kalisto seems to have gotten major heat for tweeting that he prayed to Brodie Lee before his AEW debut. In doing so, he wrote “John” instead of Jon. Chris Jericho curtly replied that he spelled his name wrong. Someone mentioned English isn’t his first language and then Brodie’s widow Amanda Huber jumped in to say there’s no excuse to spell his name wrong while he was “name dropping”. Then she got into it with fans who tried to defend him and accused him of being disrespectful. I have no idea why such an innocent mistake led to all that, but I guess the petty bullshit isn’t always limited to WWE. The best part was someone pulled an old tweet from Jericho, where he called Eddie Gurrero "Eddy". This whole thing is just stupid. John, Jon, Juan, its not like they didn't know who he was talking about. Amanda sounds like a raging bitch because of this. ____________________ "Poor Zack Gibson. He was the most hated heel in all of WWE a few years ago. Now he's Joe Gacy's goon and without the beard he somehow looks like a baby owl and Baron Von Raschke at the same time." - Kriss Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Nov 5th, 2021 02:14 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1909th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/155.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu155')">wittman2a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Somehow Kalisto seems to have gotten major heat for tweeting that he prayed to Brodie Lee before his AEW debut. In doing so, he wrote “John” instead of Jon. Chris Jericho curtly replied that he spelled his name wrong. Someone mentioned English isn’t his first language and then Brodie’s widow Amanda Huber jumped in to say there’s no excuse to spell his name wrong while he was “name dropping”. Then she got into it with fans who tried to defend him and accused him of being disrespectful. I have no idea why such an innocent mistake led to all that, but I guess the petty bullshit isn’t always limited to WWE. The best part was someone pulled an old tweet from Jericho, where he called Eddie Gurrero "Eddy". This whole thing is just stupid. John, Jon, Juan, its not like they didn't know who he was talking about. Amanda sounds like a raging bitch because of this. I always have and always will write it "Eddy" just like Jericho. That's how it was spelled for years in ECW and WCW. It was WWE that changed it. Same thing with Misterio vs. Mysterio, I will always use the "i" because the "y" is a WWE creation from years later. But in Eddy's case, it's just a nickname for Eduardo and you can really spell it however you want. But the whole things with Kalisto is crazy. If there wasn't a real-life incident or some reason why they don't like him and they're really raking him over the coals on social media just over that tweet, it's as petty as Vince's most petty moment. Not a good luck for the company at all, and Amanda just got a job there too so she officially represents the company with this bullshit. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2021 05:11 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1910th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: “I’m gonna put you in poverty dog, because I end careers quicker than your father-in-law” - Max Caster’s rap before his match with Bryan Danielson tonight “Caster might get back into Tony Khan’s good graces after that.” - Taz ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2021 05:33 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1911th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Eddie Kingston shower again that he’s the best promo in the past 15 years, even if no one knew it for 14 years. Amazing segment tonight with Punk. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2021 12:24 pm PM Quote Reply 1912th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Eddie Kingston shower again that he’s the best promo in the past 15 years, even if no one knew it for 14 years. Amazing segment tonight with Punk. Kingston managed to turn Punk heel for this crowd. Amazing stuff. Were they deliberately giving us too much Punk to facilitate this heel turn? Maybe I'm giving them too much credit. <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO0j3xaZ53E " TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO0j3xaZ53E A> ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2021 02:23 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1913th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Eddie Kingston shower again that he’s the best promo in the past 15 years, even if no one knew it for 14 years. Amazing segment tonight with Punk. Kingston managed to turn Punk heel for this crowd. Amazing stuff. Were they deliberately giving us too much Punk to facilitate this heel turn? Maybe I'm giving them too much credit. Maybe, and heel Punk isn’t the worst idea in the world if so. He sure had been force fed onto tv every week unlike virtually every other wrestler in AEW. Probably is giving them too much credit though, I agree. Two things I don’t like though. These guys are two of the best on the mic and I wish there was more time for these guys to cut promos on each other because their mic work last night was so good. And also I don’t like how their pull apart wasn’t even over the Tony Khan had already signed the match for Full Gear even though Kingston just challenged Punk minutes earlier. Let it breathe a bit and announce it later on, even if it’s just on the other side of a commercial break. ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2021 06:48 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1914th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: Heel Punk is the best Punk. The only time Face Punk was incredible was when he was truly Heel Punk but the de facto face because he was going up against Cena. Also loved his match against Lesnar at Wrestlemania or whatever PPV it was on, Punk worked his ass off to make Lesnar look great. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2021 10:52 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1915th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tonight there was a bit too much talking and some matches were shorter than they should’ve been because of it. That’s a little too Raw-like for my tastes. I also don’t need to hear CM Punk’s thoughts on everyone and everything. Did he need to be the one to go out there and cut the promo about Moxley? AEW has done such a great job of not shoving anyone down our throats, until Punk showed up and now they have to shoehorn him into every show. I'm watching it now. Unnecessary and it's getting annoying. But... the fans love everything he does. It's turning me off the show a bit recently. I'd much rather to see MJF cut a promo on Moxley instead of this shit. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2021 10:54 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1916th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: To me sounds like he was getting Hest for the name-dropping and not the spelling. Maybe he had no connection to Brodie Lee and he was seen as trying to get himself over using the guy's name. Maybe he did or said something backstage. I doubt we'll ever see him again in AEW. They worked in WWE together for 5 years. If he says they were friends I don’t know why anyone would doubt that unless he went home to his wife and specifically said he was a dick, which seems unlikely. There was nothing wrong with that tweet. Lou Thez would agree. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Nov 8th, 2021 05:22 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1917th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Bills wide receiver Stefon Diggs wore AEW cleats in today’s game against the Jaguars to troll them. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Nov 8th, 2021 10:57 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1918th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Eddie Kingston shower again that he’s the best promo in the past 15 years, even if no one knew it for 14 years. Amazing segment tonight with Punk. Kingston managed to turn Punk heel for this crowd. Amazing stuff. Were they deliberately giving us too much Punk to facilitate this heel turn? Maybe I'm giving them too much credit. <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO0j3xaZ53E " TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO0j3xaZ53E A> I'm watching the show now. This was the best thing on a wrestling show in a long time. Kingston is scary good. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Nov 8th, 2021 11:22 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1919th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I never saw John Silver wrestle singles before. He's got a weird bodyshape but he really impressed me. Decent match. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 11th, 2021 01:05 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1920th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Fozzy has announced a U.S. tour for April and May with local Jacksonville band Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh opening. They play just about every day except Wednesdays, so I guess the plan is for Jericho to fly back and forth to Dynamite every week. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 11th, 2021 03:13 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1921st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tonight’s Max Caster super inside rap against Jungle Boy - “You’re so progressive, I gotta emphasize, because you leave your girlfriend alone with 7 guys” His girlfriend is Anna Jay of the Dark Order. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 11th, 2021 04:02 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1922nd Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Contract signing with Omega and Hangman Page was pretty well executed and has a great conclusion, even though you could see the angle within it coming. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 13th, 2021 02:41 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1923rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tonight on Rampage, former 205 Live star Ariya Daivari will make his AEW debut in his hometown against fellow Minnesota native Dante Martin. This will only be Daivari’s 4th match since his WWE release, with 2 of the others happening on NJPW Strong. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 13th, 2021 03:22 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1924th Post Franchise Low key big hog Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Ohio , USA Posts: 6045 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Contract signing with Omega and Hangman Page was pretty well executed and has a great conclusion, even though you could see the angle within it coming. I watched this segment and was impressed it ended clean and then it didn’t; I still liked it though. ____________________ Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 13th, 2021 08:30 am PM Quote Reply 1925th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: On TV this week, AEW dropped heavy hints that Okada will be involved with them at some point in the future. They've also been dropping lots of Undisputed Era references, so I'd be very surprised if we don't see Kyle O'Reilly before the end of the year. Roderick Strong signed a new WWE contract this year, so unless he gets released, he's not coming in any time soon. I think we'll end up with a feud between Cole, Fish & O'Reilly and Omega & the Bucks. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 13th, 2021 09:42 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1926th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Anyone else notice when there is post AEW match activity where someone new runs in to branch off a rivalry or connect two people in an alliance, that suddenly the referees are nowhere to be seen for the rest of the segment? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 13th, 2021 10:50 am PM Quote Reply 1927th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Anyone else notice when there is post AEW or WWE etc. match activity where someone new runs in to branch off a rivalry or connect two people in an alliance, that suddenly the referees are nowhere to be seen for the rest of the segment or try to separate the wrestlers because wrestling isn't consistent and has never been since its inception? Yes. I often notice this. Last edited on Sat Nov 13th, 2021 10:51 am by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 13th, 2021 12:26 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1928th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: I think WWE refs are working from a different playbook where they angle themselves in the background just for the visualization that they are just "out of position" but AEW refs ouright vanish, like a "not in my job description" boycott. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 13th, 2021 12:34 pm PM Quote Reply 1929th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: I think WWE refs are working from a different playbook where they angle themselves in the background just for the visualization that they are just "out of position" but AEW refs ouright vanish, like a "not in my job description" boycott. They do both. This week we had Bobby Fish attack Jungle Boy and the refs disappeared, but when Red Velvet attacked Jade Cargill, the refs all came out. It's a valid point, but I think it serves the story. It's like the Bond villain explaining his evil plan, it doesn't make sense, but it serves the greater story. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 13th, 2021 03:24 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1930th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: On TV this week, AEW dropped heavy hints that Okada will be involved with them at some point in the future. They've also been dropping lots of Undisputed Era references, so I'd be very surprised if we don't see Kyle O'Reilly before the end of the year. Roderick Strong signed a new WWE contract this year, so unless he gets released, he's not coming in any time soon. I think we'll end up with a feud between Cole, Fish & O'Reilly and Omega & the Bucks. O’Reilly’s deal supposedly expires at the end of the year and I don’t think there’s any chance he re-signs. He’d be lost on the main roster and is already out of place on NXT: Rainbow Bright Edition. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 13th, 2021 06:26 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1931st Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Just watched Dynamite and am watching Rampage now. The inconsistencies with refs doing nothing or breaking up everything is annoying to me too. But whay is really, REALLY annoying to me is Chris Jericho on commentary. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 13th, 2021 07:01 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1932nd Post kargol Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: Refs have always annoyed me. You could put out a much better product by having them actually enforce the rules. E.g. someone interrupts a pin in a tag match; so disqualify them. It would open up new vistas for feuds and programmes. ____________________ superfunkymean Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 13th, 2021 07:40 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1933rd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Yes, they have devalued the role of the refs but then expect you to buy into it when the ref is needed for something specific. Also I'm not a fan of women refereeing mens matches. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 13th, 2021 08:42 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1934th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Also I'm not a fan of women refereeing mens matches. I love it when a woman referees a men’s match…it completely eliminates the chance of a ref bump. And if they ever do have a female ref bump, that ref will sell it like she’s dead and it will mean something. When AEW started, Aubrey Edwards was the ref in all of the Chris Jericho matches, and he made sure in every one of them to start shit with her and she put him in his place. That was his way of getting her over and it worked. Edge recently threw the spotlight on “Jess”, sorry I don’t know her name but she was in NXT and they transitioned her to being a ref and she got extremely good at it and got promoted to the main roster. Edge asked that she be the ref in all of his matches with Rollins and put her over as being the first female ref in Hell In A Cell, and said she earned her spot. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 13th, 2021 08:47 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1935th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Also I'm not a fan of women refereeing mens matches. I love it when a woman referees a men’s match…it completely eliminates the chance of a ref bump. And if they ever do have a female ref bump, that ref will sell it like she’s dead and it will mean something. When AEW started, Aubrey Edwards was the ref in all of the Chris Jericho matches, and he made sure in every one of them to start shit with her and she put him in his place. That was his way of getting her over and it worked. Edge recently threw the spotlight on “Jess”, sorry I don’t know her name but she was in NXT and they transitioned her to being a ref and she got extremely good at it and got promoted to the main roster. Edge asked that she be the ref in all of his matches with Rollins and put her over as being the first female ref in Hell In A Cell, and said she earned her spot. I believe her name is Jessica Carr. I hate ref bumps involving refs who are big or former wrestlers because they take the tiniest bump and have to play dead for 5 minutes. At least with the women it’s more realistic, and with Earl Hebner, who’s smaller than a woman. AEW will do male-female bumps occasionally, but WWE never will anymore. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Nov 14th, 2021 03:03 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1936th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: The ref should have at least some level of physical authority. If they need to separate the fighters, etc. Women don't ref men's boxing matches or mma matches, as far as I've ever seen, and they shouldn't. That's my opinion. Though Aubrey in AEW is their best ref, which is problematic. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Nov 14th, 2021 05:34 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1937th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <A HREF="https://www.facebook.com/messenger_media/?thread_id=534630465&attachment_id=473372600783707&message_id=mid.%24cAAAAAH_4Y-yDTfa0TF9HKgJIOvp1" TARGET="_blank">Ethan Page meets Baron Von RaschkeA> Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Nov 14th, 2021 11:52 am PM Quote Reply 1938th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: <A HREF="https://www.facebook.com/messenger_media/?thread_id=534630465&attachment_id=473372600783707&message_id=mid.%24cAAAAAH_4Y-yDTfa0TF9HKgJIOvp1" TARGET="_blank">Ethan Page meets Baron Von RaschkeA> Baron Von Raschke hasn't changed in 40 years. Which is to say he looks great for 81, but looked awful for 41. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Nov 14th, 2021 03:10 pm PM Quote Reply 1939th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Another great PPV last night with an awesome feel good ending. I'm so glad they didn't have a heel come out to spoil the party. Pretty much great wrestling in many different styles from top to bottom. You can nit-pick and complain about things here and there. Three different matches had Eddie Guerrero tributes. Not really a bad thing, but it seemed a little odd for some reason. I thought that Danielson vs Miro looked like a WWE match, a good WWE match, but it shows that guys who are trained in the WWE Performance Center can only wrestle in the WWE style. I thought they match was very slow with far too much selling, but looking at reviews, I seem to be in a minority. I thought the first match and last match were the best. One thing that really stands out is that Jim Ross has to go. He's doesn't enjoy most of the matches, and his negativity and general grumpiness are bringing the product down. He's great when he's enjoying the matches, but his negativity is becoming a problem now. Maybe the 4 hour show was too much, or he doesn't like working more than one day a week, but he's becoming a big minus to the show. AEW's best commentators are Excalibur, Tony Schiavone and Taz. That should be their A team. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Nov 14th, 2021 03:36 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1940th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I thought every match was good across the board. Everything came a bit short of great. A couple of matches were heading there and then just ended. It wasn’t at the level of a few past shows, but was still one of the best shows of the year because AEW doesn’t seem to know how to do a bad PPV. When you just let great wrestlers go out there and wreaths for 4 hours with no bullshit and mostly logical finishes, it’s hard to go wrong. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Nov 14th, 2021 03:36 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1941st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I thought every match was good across the board. Everything came a bit short of great. A couple of matches were heading there and then just ended. It wasn’t at the level of a few past PPVs, but was still one of the best shows of the year because AEW doesn’t seem to know how to do a bad PPV. When you just let great wrestlers go out there and wrestle for 4 hours with no bullshit and mostly logical finishes, it’s hard to go wrong. It really just goes to show how easy it is and the extraordinary lengths WWE goes to to fuck it up and make it seem hard. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Nov 14th, 2021 04:23 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1942nd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: I thought every match was good across the board. Everything came a bit short of great. A couple of matches were heading there and then just ended. It wasn’t at the level of a few past PPVs, but was still one of the best shows of the year because AEW doesn’t seem to know how to do a bad PPV. When you just let great wrestlers go out there and wrestle for 4 hours with no bullshit and mostly logical finishes, it’s hard to go wrong. It really just goes to show how easy it is and the extraordinary lengths WWE goes to to fuck it up and make it seem hard. Broadly agree with you, thought I thought the six man tag was not good and I thought the streetfight was absolutely terrible. I loved Danielson and Miro, thought the finish was maybe just a second to two top quick. I really liked the title match. Kingston and Punk was a little disappointing but was good. I thought MJF and Darby was a masterpiece. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Nov 14th, 2021 06:34 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1943rd Post cheapseats Joined: Thu Jul 8th, 2010 Location: Eastern Panhandle , West Virginia USA Posts: 1249 Status: Offline Mana: It was the wife's idea to get Full Gear and we loved it. Great from start to finish. The MJF v Darby match was my favorite. Those two have that Flair and Steamboat chemistry that just draws you in. My only grumble is that 4 hours is a lot to sit through. ____________________ Never said that I could 100 % substantiate it. And convincing you 100 % is not a concern of mine. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Nov 14th, 2021 07:56 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1944th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: On a personal note, Adam Page might be the first person I ever saw truly go from obscurity in his first matches to World champion. I saw other guys as early as their first dozen matches in the business period, like Low-Ki, Homicide, Red, and Mike Mondo, but they never made it to that level. Page I started watching as an unsigned job guy in ROH in 2011, about a year and a half into his career. He would come out to generic music wearing flannel and a green John Deere baseball cap and was billed as a tobacco farmer from Virginia, which he was. He was the blandest promo around and had no look to speak of. I watched him go from that to getting signed by ROH, becoming a "young boy" for Roderick Strong's group The Decade, finally turning on them and becoming a babyface, getting opportunities to go to NJPW through ROH, befriending The Young Bucks, becoming a member of Bullet Club when it was still hot, and then defecting to AEW with everyone else as the least heralded member of The Elite. And now he's the World champion of a company that has nowhere to go but up. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Nov 15th, 2021 06:25 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1945th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Meltzer is reporting that Omega worked Full Gear with a badly injured shoulder and wasn’t able to lift his arm above his head. He may be taking some time away from the ring to heal. It makes the match that much more remarkable that he was able to perform to the level while hurt. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Nov 17th, 2021 09:20 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1946th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Ric Flair went on Mark Maddon’s podcast and called Kenny Omega the best wrestler of the last 20 years, along with AJ Styles and Randy Orton. He said Omega has wrestled every style in every country and that’s what it takes to become an all-time great. He said he only met him briefly in Mexico when he wrestled Andrade but he seems like a great kid who’s very respectful to the business. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Nov 17th, 2021 10:34 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1947th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Meltzer is reporting that Omega worked Full Gear with a badly injured shoulder and wasn’t able to lift his arm above his head. He may be taking some time away from the ring to heal. It makes the match that much more remarkable that he was able to perform to the level while hurt. There's a video I saw Monday where he's talking about problems with his shoulder and neck and that he has also suffered from vertigo or similar symptoms for a few years. I'm not his biggest fan but he is very good and I've seen in several times in AEW. Of the last 20 years I can't argue with Styles either. Orton, meh, maybe. I'd have Lesnar miles ahead but can see a strong argument against that. I think Danielson is actually THE BEST in the ring in the last 15 years or so, which is about as long as I've been watching him. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 01:04 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1948th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <A HREF="https://www.cagesideseats.com/aew/2021/11/15/22783235/kenny-omega-neck-problems-vertigo-during-matches-video-chiropractor" TARGET="_blank">https://www.cagesideseats.com/aew/2021/11/15/22783235/kenny-omega-neck-problems-vertigo-during-matches-video-chiropractorA> Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 03:19 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1949th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Omega kicked off Dynamite by basically walking away, so he’s taking a hiatus. The break will be good for him to freshen up and he’ll come back hotter. AEW certainly has enough talent to go a couple of months without him. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 03:27 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1950th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Bryan Danielson in full blown heel mode tonight on Virginia and Adam Page. You can tell he loves it after so many years as a babyface. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 03:58 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1951st Post Principal_Raditch Joined: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 Location: Posts: 8144 Status: Offline Mana: Good match with Guevara and Lethal Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 04:21 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1952nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Orange Cassidy and Tomohiro Ishii is the tag team we never knew we needed. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 08:20 am PM Quote Reply 1953rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Omega kicked off Dynamite by basically walking away, so he’s taking a hiatus. The break will be good for him to freshen up and he’ll come back hotter. AEW certainly has enough talent to go a couple of months without him. They have been low-key teasing Cole vs Omega for a while now, so that's something to look forward to. Probably also getting reDRagon vs Young Bucks to build up to it as well. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 08:42 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1954th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Bryan Danielson in full blown heel mode tonight on Virginia and Adam Page. You can tell he loves it after so many years as a babyface. I probably won't watch this until tomorrow but he's been kind of wrestling like a heel a little. I'm a huge fan of him but I prefer him as a heel. When he heeled last in WWE I thought it was some of his best work. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 08:43 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1955th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Although it's way to early here to actually turn him heel. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 10:44 am PM Quote Reply 1956th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Although it's way to early here to actually turn him heel. He's been doing a lot of his old ROH heel tactics, especially the "I've got until 5" gimmick. I think it's okay to heel another wrestler and just see where the audience takes you. His character hasn't really changed, it's just that's he's now in a program with the number one babyface. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 12:02 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1957th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I agree. He can be popular, work semi-heel style and it can still be good. Keep him away from all these stupid stables as well. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 03:37 pm PM Quote Reply 1958th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Bryan Danielson vs Colt Cabana has the potential to be a classic World of Sport style match if they decide to go that way. It'll be nice for Cabana to get some shine in Chicago seeing how many times they have run there this year. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 06:32 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1959th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Although it's way to early here to actually turn him heel. He's been doing a lot of his old ROH heel tactics, especially the "I've got until 5" gimmick. I think it's okay to heel another wrestler and just see where the audience takes you. His character hasn't really changed, it's just that's he's now in a program with the number one babyface. I didn't necessarily see last night as a full heel turn since he was in Page's hometown, but now they're going to do it 2 weeks in a row in Cabana's home town too, so maybe they are going that way. I think Danielson can easily survive one program as a heel before switching back to face in a couple of months without anyone caring. Normally I would hate that, but Danielson can easily pull it off. Page ultimately has to win, and Danielson will show him respect after that and be a face again. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 07:23 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1960th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: He can pull it off but I don't like it either. And with Omega gone they don't have too many top heels to go. MJF is the best but they need to be careful with him and his Darby program should continue if there's any sense (though AEW doesn't tend to keep programs going). The other guy that I genuinely think could work, but I'd definitely don't think it will work, is Cody Rhodes. He seems to be living on another planet but they hate him so much that if he could get his head out of the clouds/his ass he could be a great heel. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 07:39 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1961st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: They started an MJF-Punk program last night, and I liked that they did the big tease for a promo battle between the best in the business and then...Punk refused to talk and just walked away. It was a great build to what will come, and it also will solidly move Punk back into the babyface camp after hearing some boos in recent weeks. No one can get Punk back harder as a face than MJF, who cuts killer promos without pandering for cool points like Nash and Hall. When they have the eventual match, MJF should be the one to hand Punk his first defeat, by cheating, but he needs to go over. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 08:22 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1962nd Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: They started an MJF-Punk program last night, and I liked that they did the big tease for a promo battle between the best in the business and then...Punk refused to talk and just walked away. It was a great build to what will come, and it also will solidly move Punk back into the babyface camp after hearing some boos in recent weeks. No one can get Punk back harder as a face than MJF, who cuts killer promos without pandering for cool points like Nash and Hall. When they have the eventual match, MJF should be the one to hand Punk his first defeat, by cheating, but he needs to go over. If they are going in the direction of Danielson being the heel - which by the look of things is how he wants to work - then Punk has to be a face. Because somewhere down the line those two will cross paths. Plus Danielson needs to be heel if he's going to be facing Hangman Page because they do not want Page getting booed. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 11:45 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1963rd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: He can pull it off but I don't like it either. And with Omega gone they don't have too many top heels to go. MJF is the best but they need to be careful with him and his Darby program should continue if there's any sense (though AEW doesn't tend to keep programs going). The other guy that I genuinely think could work, but I'd definitely don't think it will work, is Cody Rhodes. He seems to be living on another planet but they hate him so much that if he could get his head out of the clouds/his ass he could be a great heel. I take back my first sentence. I love it. Decent show, I just finished it. Loved the Page - Danielson interaction. Loved most of match too. I don't like these goofs hanging around Page but it's set up a nice story for Danielson to run through them. I'm hating this quick finish though, no tap, no delay, the hold is put in and the ref IMMEDIATELY calls for the bell. Otherwise : I did not like either tag match. Overbooked and nonsensical. I think I'll skip tag matches anymore. Women's match was OK. Billy Gunn still exists. Jay Letahl loses first match. A very good match but I'm not sure why they would job him on night one. Jericho is fuckin poison at this stage. Punk and MJF was great and they'll have a great match. I'd like to see some matches each week where there's just two guys wrestling, no run ins, no 'factions' coming to the ring with either guy, just have a match. And sometimes let the match start the angle, or lead to something next week. Last edited on Thu Nov 18th, 2021 11:48 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 11:48 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1964th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: He can pull it off but I don't like it either. And with Omega gone they don't have too many top heels to go. MJF is the best but they need to be careful with him and his Darby program should continue if there's any sense (though AEW doesn't tend to keep programs going). The other guy that I genuinely think could work, but I'd definitely don't think it will work, is Cody Rhodes. He seems to be living on another planet but they hate him so much that if he could get his head out of the clouds/his ass he could be a great heel. I take back my first sentence. I love it. Decent show, I just finished it. Loved the Page - Danielson interaction. Loved most of match too. I don't like these goofs hanging around Page but it's set up a nice story for Danielson to run through them. I'm hating this quick finish though, no tap, no delay, the hold is put in and the ref IMMEDIATELY calls for the bell. That finish was fine, Evil Uno had been knocked unconscious by the elbows and the ref probably should've stopped it there. By the time Danielson locked in the triangle choke, he was completely out and it was a good MMA style stoppage. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 11:54 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1965th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: You mean the kicks to the head knocked him out? If that's what they are going for the announcers need to sell it. Excalibur said 'immediately Uno goes out'. If he's knocked out when the hold is being put on then that should clearer and the announcers should say it. I didn't like it. And I didn't like the finish with Miro either. I loved Danielson's promo after the match too. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 11:56 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1966th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: You mean the kicks to the head knocked him out? If that's what they are going for the announcers need to sell it. Excalibur said 'immediately Uno goes out'. If he's knocked out when the hold is being put on then that should clearer and the announcers should say it. I didn't like it. And I didn't like the finish with Miro either. I loved Danielson's promo after the match too. It might’ve been kicks, I remember elbow strikes but might’ve forgotten from last night. Danielson was showing a brutal side where he knocked him out and locked in the submission even though he could’ve pinned him. I thought Excalibur sold that at least a little. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Nov 19th, 2021 12:02 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1967th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Nope, the way Excalibur said it was that he passed out as soon as the hold was applied. If he had done that it would have been better. If the guy is knocked out before the hold then the ref should stop it. If the ref doesn't stop it the ref should give it even 1 or 2 second longer I'd like it. Just my opinion. The crowd liked it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Nov 19th, 2021 02:08 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1968th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Ariel Helwani interview with Paul Heyman on AEW: <A HREF="https://twitter.com/jedigoodman/status/1461488288263331841?s=21" TARGET="_blank"> ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2021 01:13 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1969th Post Vintage Wrestling Joined: Wed Jan 30th, 2008 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1105 Status: Offline Mana: Aside from the tag and girls nonsense, I thought Dynamite was fantastic. ____________________ HUSS HUSS HUSS HUSS HUSS HUSS HUSS HUSS Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2021 04:04 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1970th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: The Butcher tore his triceps on Dynamite while wrestling Tomohiro Ishii, so he’s on the shelf again. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2021 04:38 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1971st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Meltzer has made the case for Omega being the biggest draw in wrestling in decades and certainly the only guy who moves the needle today. Now that Omega is done for the year, his 2021 may have been the best drawing year by modern standards that you can have. As AEW champion, he led AEW to its 4 biggest drawing shows in history with PPV buys of 145,000, 135,000, 205,000, and 155,000, an annual increase of 44.3% and revenue generated estimated at just shy of $30 million before splits with cable companies. His title defense in Impact against Rich Swann gave that company its highest number since a Hogan vs. Sting match during the days of Spike TV more than a decade ago (which is remarkable when you compare the visibility of the company and the network then vs. now), and the social media hits of his segments dwarfed anything in Impact history other than the “Broken Universe” skits. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2021 03:38 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1972nd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Watching Rampage. Chris Jericho on commentary is disgraceful. There's nothing good about it and it's really making me not want to watch. First match was entertaining with Billy Gunn v Allin. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2021 04:07 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1973rd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I wish they would actually enforce rules in their tag matches because I think I'd enjoy a lot of them then. Anyone can come on anytime and do anything and there's never a dq and the ref often doesn't even bother trying to get the illegal wrestler out. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2021 04:18 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1974th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Meltzer has made the case for Omega being the biggest draw in wrestling in decades and certainly the only guy who moves the needle today. Now that Omega is done for the year, his 2021 may have been the best drawing year by modern standards that you can have. As AEW champion, he led AEW to its 4 biggest drawing shows in history with PPV buys of 145,000, 135,000, 205,000, and 155,000, an annual increase of 44.3% and revenue generated estimated at just shy of $30 million before splits with cable companies. His title defense in Impact against Rich Swann gave that company its highest number since a Hogan vs. Sting match during the days of Spike TV more than a decade ago (which is remarkable when you compare the visibility of the company and the network then vs. now), and the social media hits of his segments dwarfed anything in Impact history other than the “Broken Universe” skits. What a load of bullshit this is. Biggest draw in decades because people bought PPVs? They didn't buy them to see Kenny Omega - they bought them to see AEW. I understand that calculating draws changed a dozen or more years ago with Floyd Mayweather and how he sold boxing PPVs, but you can't tell me that Omega and Omega alone drew those buys for AEW. It was based on the total product and how people have reacted to it. I would say Kenny Omega is a decent draw. Did he sell out Arthur Ashe Stadium? No. Did he sell out the United Center? No. Did he sell out Brittsburgh? Nope. Was he part of the group that did both of those? Yes. I think Kenny Omega is a good wrestler, perhaps a great wrestler, and maybe even a 'generational talent'. But biggest draw in decades? Crater Face needs to calm himself down. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2021 04:26 pm PM Quote Reply 1975th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I wish they would actually enforce rules in their tag matches because I think I'd enjoy a lot of them then. Anyone can come on anytime and do anything and there's never a dq and the ref often doesn't even bother trying to get the illegal wrestler out. I don't think there's ever been a DQ in AEW, and it's not going to change any time soon. That's probably the ECW influence on Tony Khan. I 100% agree. I'd much rather see some bending of the tag rules to allow for more exciting matches. Of course "exciting" is subjective. If you like DQs, I know just the wrestling promotion for you. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2021 04:41 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1976th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Meltzer has made the case for Omega being the biggest draw in wrestling in decades and certainly the only guy who moves the needle today. Now that Omega is done for the year, his 2021 may have been the best drawing year by modern standards that you can have. As AEW champion, he led AEW to its 4 biggest drawing shows in history with PPV buys of 145,000, 135,000, 205,000, and 155,000, an annual increase of 44.3% and revenue generated estimated at just shy of $30 million before splits with cable companies. His title defense in Impact against Rich Swann gave that company its highest number since a Hogan vs. Sting match during the days of Spike TV more than a decade ago (which is remarkable when you compare the visibility of the company and the network then vs. now), and the social media hits of his segments dwarfed anything in Impact history other than the “Broken Universe” skits. What a load of bullshit this is. Biggest draw in decades because people bought PPVs? They didn't buy them to see Kenny Omega - they bought them to see AEW. I understand that calculating draws changed a dozen or more years ago with Floyd Mayweather and how he sold boxing PPVs, but you can't tell me that Omega and Omega alone drew those buys for AEW. It was based on the total product and how people have reacted to it. I would say Kenny Omega is a decent draw. Did he sell out Arthur Ashe Stadium? No. Did he sell out the United Center? No. Did he sell out Brittsburgh? Nope. Was he part of the group that did both of those? Yes. I think Kenny Omega is a good wrestler, perhaps a great wrestler, and maybe even a 'generational talent'. But biggest draw in decades? Crater Face needs to calm himself down. It’s a year-over-year comparison of AEW with Omega as a mid-carder vs. Omega headlining these shows. The buy rates certainly exploded, although of course you can make the case that AEW as a whole is just gaining momentum. But you have to give Omega a decent share of the credit. And with Impact, it was 100% him. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2021 04:50 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1977th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I wish they would actually enforce rules in their tag matches because I think I'd enjoy a lot of them then. Anyone can come on anytime and do anything and there's never a dq and the ref often doesn't even bother trying to get the illegal wrestler out. I don't think there's ever been a DQ in AEW, and it's not going to change any time soon. That's probably the ECW influence on Tony Khan. I 100% agree. I'd much rather see some bending of the tag rules to allow for more exciting matches. Of course "exciting" is subjective. If you like DQs, I know just the wrestling promotion for you. And at least in ECW it was consistent. The rules in AEW appear and disappear as a match or story needs them and it's really weak, I think. It's more blatant in tag matches and it ruins them. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2021 04:51 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1978th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Omega certainly is a big part of it, and I'm not his greatest fan. He was good guy to have a champ for a year. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2021 07:00 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1979th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tony Khan says WWE doesn’t offer contracts, they have temporary arrangements. “Anyone who signs a contract with them these days, is not signing a real contract. It's a temporary arrangement. People who come wrestle with me, a lot of these people are frankly lifers and they know that. There are some people who are here, who work really hard and there are some people who come in and work more than really hard and I feel like is their actual life and will be with me for the rest of my life. I don't know if everybody who works for my competition can say that. I think there are people who work there and they aren't sure they will be there next week. There is a lot more security with a contract here. I can't say I'm going to extend every contract or bring every person back, but I also haven't been doing mass layoffs. I'm not the most profitable company of all time, I don't brag about being the most profitable company of all time. I do brag about bringing in a lot of revenue for a start up and being a real success story. What I will brag about is we haven't been doing mass layoffs and we haven't fired 15 people last week or 18 people the week before that. It's not something to be proud of when a company lets all those people go and you're putting press releases out like that frequently, I don't think it's a good thing. I don't want to make light of that kind of thing ever. When you talk about a bidding war, each person is their own individual case and there may be multiple people coming for his services, but we've seen most of the talent going in one direction and, I think that's for a variety of reasons, but I've been very selective in the people I've signed and every time there has been a mass layoff on the other side it's terrible and I can't say I would be able to take on every one of these people. I take a lot of pride in all the people that work here and I know that not everyone is going to work here forever, but if somebody is not going to work here, please know that I'm going to feel really bad about it. That's one of the reasons why we haven't let a lot of people go yet and I've eaten some of those costs, especially through the pandemic when there was really no where else to get work in wrestling." ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Nov 23rd, 2021 02:34 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1980th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Omega has vacated the AAA Mega title due to his injuries. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Nov 23rd, 2021 07:22 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1981st Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: The situation through the years with WWE and the 'independent contractors' has really baffled me. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 25th, 2021 04:28 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1982nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Punk and MJF kicked off Dynamite with bar none the greatest promo segment in wrestling history. To think that WWE has started every show for 25 years with these long, boring 20-minute segments and the first time AEW does it they do it better than it’s ever been done. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 25th, 2021 04:44 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1983rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: JR throwing out this gem when agents stepped in to break up a backstage fight: “Where’s Tony Garea when you need him?” Everyone’s on fire tonight. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 25th, 2021 05:27 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1984th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: AEW bought the rights to use footage that Colt Cabana owns to put together a really nice hype video for their match tonight. <A HREF="https://twitter.com/coltcabana/status/1463290373325926403?s=21" TARGET="_blank"> ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 25th, 2021 05:41 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1985th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Punk and MJF kicked off Dynamite with bar none the greatest promo segment in wrestling history. To think that WWE has started every show for 25 years with these long, boring 20-minute segments and the first time AEW does it they do it better than it’s ever been done. I came here to post this in case nobody else had. Fucking incredible back and forth 20 minute promo segment. MJF is the best promo in the business right now, and if he keeps it up nobody else will even be close for a long time. They’re giving him the ball and he’s absolutely running with it. ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 25th, 2021 06:32 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1986th Post Principal_Raditch Joined: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 Location: Posts: 8144 Status: Offline Mana: <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPAAKVDDEUU" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPAAKVDDEUUA> Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 25th, 2021 08:03 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1987th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Thanks for the link; I slept till 25 past the hour and thus I only missed this segment. I'm glad I didn't find it halfway thru its live airing. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Nov 25th, 2021 01:14 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1988th Post kargol Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: This is what happens when you don't tie people to scripts and are able to improvise to the audience. They're bringing the audience along rather than talking at them. ____________________ superfunkymean Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Nov 26th, 2021 04:10 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1989th Post BuddyPSHayes Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: Anywhere I Damn Well Please Posts: 4320 Status: Offline Mana: Jim Ross is taking a leave of absence due to his cancer treatments. From his Facebook: Due to my skin cancer care totaling 22 radiation treatments starting Monday, I will hopefully return to the announce desk on December 29th in Jacksonville.Tony Khan supports me on this strategy which has been a blessing. My thanks for all your support. ____________________ "The only area I can think of to avoid in Houston is Houston." - srossi Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Nov 26th, 2021 10:51 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 1990th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: Radio ads running on WFAN for AEW Live at Belmont Park in the new UBS arena. Let’s be honest here - in it’s history, NWA/WCW was able to put on shows at Nassau and the Meadowlands, paying top price for an arena that they pretty much only were going to fill 1/3 at best. AEW is now coming back to town after dual sellouts at Arthur Ashe, now doing Belmont (where I think the Islanders play). This should really bother WWE as it’s the first time ever that they can be challenged in their own backyard and their competitor isn’t paying some crazy vig to play NYC like NJPW had to just to play the Garden. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Nov 26th, 2021 11:09 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1991st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: Radio ads running on WFAN for AEW Live at Belmont Park in the new UBS arena. Let’s be honest here - in it’s history, NWA/WCW was able to put on shows at Nassau and the Meadowlands, paying top price for an arena that they pretty much only were going to fill 1/3 at best. AEW is now coming back to town after dual sellouts at Arthur Ashe, now doing Belmont (where I think the Islanders play). This should really bother WWE as it’s the first time ever that they can be challenged in their own backyard and their competitor isn’t paying some crazy vig to play NYC like NJPW had to just to play the Garden. UBS is brand new and has a ton of hype. It’s also really conveniently located by Long Island standards. It’s really a Queens venue, barely across the border by literally 2 minutes or so. And AEW is about to sell it out and probably make it it’s NY home for years to come. It’s also really only a matter of time before they run MSG just to say they did it. WWE has almost abandoned MSG in favor of Barclays because it’s a little cheaper and lost their exclusivity there. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 27th, 2021 06:56 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1992nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Someone found old tweets from Austin Gunn back in 2013 in which he used the works “niggas” on more than one occasion. Gunn has thrown himself at the mercy of the Twitter mob and says he was 17 at the time and has attended some of AEW’s sensitivity trainings. So now we wait to see if he survives. He is 1/3 of The Gunn Club with father Billy and brother Colten. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 27th, 2021 09:05 am PM Quote Reply 1993rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: Radio ads running on WFAN for AEW Live at Belmont Park in the new UBS arena. Let’s be honest here - in it’s history, NWA/WCW was able to put on shows at Nassau and the Meadowlands, paying top price for an arena that they pretty much only were going to fill 1/3 at best. AEW is now coming back to town after dual sellouts at Arthur Ashe, now doing Belmont (where I think the Islanders play). This should really bother WWE as it’s the first time ever that they can be challenged in their own backyard and their competitor isn’t paying some crazy vig to play NYC like NJPW had to just to play the Garden. UBS is brand new and has a ton of hype. It’s also really conveniently located by Long Island standards. It’s really a Queens venue, barely across the border by literally 2 minutes or so. And AEW is about to sell it out and probably make it it’s NY home for years to come. It’s also really only a matter of time before they run MSG just to say they did it. WWE has almost abandoned MSG in favor of Barclays because it’s a little cheaper and lost their exclusivity there. The latest ticket sales numbers (from Nov 24) in the Long Island Dick Waving Contest are WWE for Nov 29: 4,849; AEW for Dec 8: 8,573. I don't know if AEW will sell out, since there are 11,641 total seats available. While AEW has put pretty much every seat on sale, WWE are only selling upper bowl seats on the side facing the camera. It's not looking great for WWE in New York right now. Once upon a time, they could pretty much sell out four nights in a Row at the Barclays for TakOver Brooklyn, SummerSlam, Raw and SmackDown. They claimed a sell-out for Survivor Series of over 15,000. The sell-out claim was more-or-less legit, but they added over 2,000 to the attendance. Monday night's Raw had less that 5,500 in attendance. Anyone who had upper bowl tickets was moved to the lower bowl, as they tried to get as many people on camera as possible. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 27th, 2021 09:13 am PM Quote Reply 1994th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Someone found old tweets from Austin Gunn back in 2013 in which he used the works “niggas” on more than one occasion. Gunn has thrown himself at the mercy of the Twitter mob and says he was 17 at the time and has attended some of AEW’s sensitivity trainings. So now we wait to see if he survives. He is 1/3 of The Gunn Club with father Billy and brother Colten. Not defending the guy, but it's some coincidence that this comes out at the exact same time that the Gunn club are getting their first real push on Dynamite. It's not the first time this has happened. People are going through Twitter histories, then holding onto this kind of stuff and putting it out there when it can do maximum damage. The company really should be searching through these histories themselves so they can get out ahead of these stories. The graphic for their match on Wednesday was Billy and Colton with no mention of Austin. I think they will just keep him off TV for a while, but they won't fire him. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Nov 27th, 2021 05:24 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1995th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Someone found old tweets from Austin Gunn back in 2013 in which he used the works “niggas” on more than one occasion. Gunn has thrown himself at the mercy of the Twitter mob and says he was 17 at the time and has attended some of AEW’s sensitivity trainings. So now we wait to see if he survives. He is 1/3 of The Gunn Club with father Billy and brother Colten. Not defending the guy, but it's some coincidence that this comes out at the exact same time that the Gunn club are getting their first real push on Dynamite. It's not the first time this has happened. People are going through Twitter histories, then holding onto this kind of stuff and putting it out there when it can do maximum damage. The company really should be searching through these histories themselves so they can get out ahead of these stories. The graphic for their match on Wednesday was Billy and Colton with no mention of Austin. I think they will just keep him off TV for a while, but they won't fire him. The party line from the trolls is that based on what Tony Khan said about Hulk Hogan not being welcome in AEW, they have to fire Gunn. But there’s never any context to these old tweets and it took me a long time to even figure out he used the “a” version instead of the “er”. Was he calling a black person that out of anger like Hogan or was he posting some of his shitty white boy rap lyrics that he’s been known to do? It’s likely the latter, and of course that doesn’t matter to the woke, but it’s an important distinction to the sane. I do, however, think he should be fired for attending sensitivity trainings. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Nov 28th, 2021 12:15 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1996th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Punk and MJF kicked off Dynamite with bar none the greatest promo segment in wrestling history. To think that WWE has started every show for 25 years with these long, boring 20-minute segments and the first time AEW does it they do it better than it’s ever been done. Just watched the show now. Tremendous. I couldn't believe I watched 20 mimutes of two guys talking and I was glued to every second of it. Couldn't believe it was as long as it was. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Nov 28th, 2021 12:59 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1997th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: And now I'm watching Rampage which is decent too but Chris Jericho needs to go from commentary. Instead he's gonna fuck up Kingstons heat. Last edited on Sun Nov 28th, 2021 01:00 am by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Nov 28th, 2021 08:10 am PM Quote Reply 1998th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: And now I'm watching Rampage which is decent too but Chris Jericho needs to go from commentary. Instead he's gonna fuck up Kingstons heat. AEW's best commentary team is Excalibur, Tony and Tazz, although I don't think we've ever had that combination without JR also in the mix. JR over Tazz when JR is on his his game, which seems to be only once a month right now. After that, with all the different people they have tried, only Ricky Starks and Anthony Agogo get pass marks from me. Jericho comes off too forced. He was great during the early pandemic era, and he does come up with some great one one-liners as a fourth man, but in his recent work on Rampage, I haven't enjoyed him. Big Show might get better, but he needs a lot of work. He had about four things to say, and he repeats them every week, multiple times a week. Mark Henry just speaks far too slowly, and I think they all agreed commentary wasn't for him, since he was taken off Rampage very early. The other person doing regular commentary on Dark is Eddie Kingston. He's a strange one, because you'd think he'd be great, but the his usual persona is probably too intense, and on commentary, we get what I assume is closer to Eddie Moore, who seems more like a crazy goofball than a crazy lunatic (something you see in all his appearances on the backstage vlogs). I think he'll be good, but he needs more work. Maybe AEW should look at some of the ROH commentators, but I don't watch enough to comment on that, maybe srossi can chime in there. Colt Cabana could be another option, but maybe that's too many hats for him to wear, and they haven't even used him once Last edited on Sun Nov 28th, 2021 08:11 am by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Nov 28th, 2021 12:29 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 1999th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I'm really not a fan of Tony either. JR is finished for at least a month so it will be interesting to see how they do without him. I assume they'll not go with a two man booth but I'd like to see that for a while. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Nov 28th, 2021 03:17 pm PM Quote Reply 2000th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I'm really not a fan of Tony either. JR is finished for at least a month so it will be interesting to see how they do without him. I assume they'll not go with a two man booth but I'd like to see that for a while. Tony has been an absolute revelation these past two years, you must have impossibly high standards. The idea that a three man booth sucks only comes from WWE three man teams being the drizzling shits. Excalibur, Tony and JR have been excellent whenever JR is in a good mood, but I'd still pick Tazz over JR. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain
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Posted: Sun Nov 28th, 2021 04:28 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2001st Post srossi
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AEW's best commentary team is Excalibur, Tony and Tazz, although I don't think we've ever had that combination without JR also in the mix. JR over Tazz when JR is on his his game, which seems to be only once a month right now. After that, with all the different people they have tried, only Ricky Starks and Anthony Agogo get pass marks from me. Jericho comes off too forced. He was great during the early pandemic era, and he does come up with some great one one-liners as a fourth man, but in his recent work on Rampage, I haven't enjoyed him. Big Show might get better, but he needs a lot of work. He had about four things to say, and he repeats them every week, multiple times a week. Mark Henry just speaks far too slowly, and I think they all agreed commentary wasn't for him, since he was taken off Rampage very early. The other person doing regular commentary on Dark is Eddie Kingston. He's a strange one, because you'd think he'd be great, but the his usual persona is probably too intense, and on commentary, we get what I assume is closer to Eddie Moore, who seems more like a crazy goofball than a crazy lunatic (something you see in all his appearances on the backstage vlogs). I think he'll be good, but he needs more work. Maybe AEW should look at some of the ROH commentators, but I don't watch enough to comment on that, maybe srossi can chime in there. Colt Cabana could be another option, but maybe that's too many hats for him to wear, and they haven't even used him once
Colt was an excellent color commentator for ROH for a long time and really doesn’t do much on-camera in AEW, so I think he’d be great. The current play-by-play man is Ian Riccaboni, who’s pretty bland and a huge step down from his mentor Kevin Kelly, who they obviously lost to NJPW, which was an underrated hit to the company and really sucked considering they were in a working relationship and wound up getting poached. Caprice Coleman is the current color man, also nothing good or bad about him. Like everything else in ROH, even their commentators are just there, being consistent but completely missable. Ian said on Twitter he has a day job and will be fine if this is the end of his wrestling career.
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AEW's best commentary team is Excalibur, Tony and Tazz, although I don't think we've ever had that combination without JR also in the mix. JR over Tazz when JR is on his his game, which seems to be only once a month right now. After that, with all the different people they have tried, only Ricky Starks and Anthony Agogo get pass marks from me. Jericho comes off too forced. He was great during the early pandemic era, and he does come up with some great one one-liners as a fourth man, but in his recent work on Rampage, I haven't enjoyed him. Big Show might get better, but he needs a lot of work. He had about four things to say, and he repeats them every week, multiple times a week. Mark Henry just speaks far too slowly, and I think they all agreed commentary wasn't for him, since he was taken off Rampage very early. The other person doing regular commentary on Dark is Eddie Kingston. He's a strange one, because you'd think he'd be great, but the his usual persona is probably too intense, and on commentary, we get what I assume is closer to Eddie Moore, who seems more like a crazy goofball than a crazy lunatic (something you see in all his appearances on the backstage vlogs). I think he'll be good, but he needs more work. Maybe AEW should look at some of the ROH commentators, but I don't watch enough to comment on that, maybe srossi can chime in there. Colt Cabana could be another option, but maybe that's too many hats for him to wear, and they haven't even used him once
Colt was an excellent color commentator for ROH for a long time and really doesn’t do much on-camera in AEW, so I think he’d be great. The current play-by-play man is Ian Riccaboni, who’s pretty bland and a huge step down from his mentor Kevin Kelly, who they obviously lost to NJPW, which was an underrated hit to the company and really sucked considering they were in a working relationship and wound up getting poached. Caprice Coleman is the current color man, also nothing good or bad about him. Like everything else in ROH, even their commentators are just there, being consistent but completely missable. Ian said on Twitter he has a day job and will be fine if this is the end of his wrestling career.
Isn't that YouTube dude Brian Zane an ROH commentator?
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Posted: Sun Nov 28th, 2021 04:47 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2003rd Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: And now I'm watching Rampage which is decent too but Chris Jericho needs to go from commentary. Instead he's gonna fuck up Kingstons heat.
AEW's best commentary team is Excalibur, Tony and Tazz, although I don't think we've ever had that combination without JR also in the mix. JR over Tazz when JR is on his his game, which seems to be only once a month right now. After that, with all the different people they have tried, only Ricky Starks and Anthony Agogo get pass marks from me. Jericho comes off too forced. He was great during the early pandemic era, and he does come up with some great one one-liners as a fourth man, but in his recent work on Rampage, I haven't enjoyed him. Big Show might get better, but he needs a lot of work. He had about four things to say, and he repeats them every week, multiple times a week. Mark Henry just speaks far too slowly, and I think they all agreed commentary wasn't for him, since he was taken off Rampage very early. The other person doing regular commentary on Dark is Eddie Kingston. He's a strange one, because you'd think he'd be great, but the his usual persona is probably too intense, and on commentary, we get what I assume is closer to Eddie Moore, who seems more like a crazy goofball than a crazy lunatic (something you see in all his appearances on the backstage vlogs). I think he'll be good, but he needs more work. Maybe AEW should look at some of the ROH commentators, but I don't watch enough to comment on that, maybe srossi can chime in there. Colt Cabana could be another option, but maybe that's too many hats for him to wear, and they haven't even used him once
Colt was an excellent color commentator for ROH for a long time and really doesn’t do much on-camera in AEW, so I think he’d be great. The current play-by-play man is Ian Riccaboni, who’s pretty bland and a huge step down from his mentor Kevin Kelly, who they obviously lost to NJPW, which was an underrated hit to the company and really sucked considering they were in a working relationship and wound up getting poached. Caprice Coleman is the current color man, also nothing good or bad about him. Like everything else in ROH, even their commentators are just there, being consistent but completely missable. Ian said on Twitter he has a day job and will be fine if this is the end of his wrestling career.
Isn't that YouTube dude Brian Zane an ROH commentator?
I think he does Future of Honor shows and fills in on occasion. I’ve barely ever heard the guy.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I listened to Cornette's review of Punk-MJF because I was really curious if he would finally like something in AEW that everyone else did. He was over the moon for it. He went so far as to agree with Brian Last who said that this segment and the work of Bryan Danielson is the closest thing to Mid-South that we've seen since Mid-South.
Cornette made a couple of good observations. The first was the physical distance they started with, and then they moved closer as the segment got more heated until they were nose-to-nose at the end. Cornette loved that psychology and I think it's a great point. They knew they had 20 minutes to work with and they worked it like a long match instead of just a promo segment, building to a climax. As the comments get more heated, they step closer to each other. If they were face-to-face at the beginning, there would be nowhere to go and someone would throw a punch long before it was over. Great observation from Cornette and an extra thing to love about the segment.
The other thing Cornette praised was that the segment was inside but not business-exposing. Wrestling could be 100% real and none of the comments would be out of place. Dropping backstage references or talking about guys from the other company isn't the same thing as making it clear to fans that everything they're watching is fake and that wins and losses don't matter. So Cornette really liked that AEW managed to put together a segment that appealed to smarts while not embarrassing the business.
The other comments were obvious and everything already said, like how those 20 minutes flew by unlike the slog of a WWE promo segment, and how it seemed completely unscripted and natural and wasn't guys fumbling to remember their lines perfectly so they wouldn't get yelled at backstage.
Cornette got in his digs at the Young Bucks (surprisingly he refrained from ever mentioning Omega this time), but the conclusion was that for all the goofy shit he thinks AEW does, lately when they've been doing the right thing, they do it better than we've seen in decades, and he thinks they're improving.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Edge to The Miz: “You have people on other shows saying your name just to get a cheap reaction. You live rent free in their heads.”
So WWE fired back.
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JR is finished for at least a month so it will be interesting to see how they do without him. I assume they'll not go with a two man booth but I'd like to see that for a while.
Tony has been an absolute revelation these past two years, you must have impossibly high standards.
The idea that a three man booth sucks only comes from WWE three man teams being the drizzling shits. Excalibur, Tony and JR have been excellent whenever JR is in a good mood, but I'd still pick Tazz over JR. There's been nothing revelatory about Tony for me since I've been watching regularly over the past three months or so. I don't necessarily think a three man booth is bad, but I don't think this one is working. JR is hit and miss, as you allude to. Excalibur is pretty good usually. Tazz is good when jericho isn't screaming over him. I've not heard Colt Cabana.
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So WWE fired back.
The only thing that does is get people who haven't seen Punk-MJF to go and look for it.
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So WWE fired back.
The only thing that does is get people who haven't seen Punk-MJF to go and look for it. Correct. And AEW is so much better now than WWE, anyone who takes a look at AEW has as a good chance of staying. The gulf between both shows is amazing. Last edited on Tue Nov 30th, 2021 04:37 pm by Jim_Irish
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Edge to The Miz: “You have people on other shows saying your name just to get a cheap reaction. You live rent free in their heads.”
So WWE fired back.
So WWE's official Twitter account posted this quote with a still shot picture, but their "quote" was as follows: "You have people saying your name just to get a cheap reaction."
They were called out by hundreds for omitting the three words that made the quote worth sharing, and you really have to wonder why since this was clearly an approved line. Maybe the social media guys are just terrified of doing the wrong thing, but the whole company just repeatedly makes itself look bad.
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The AEW booth has a flow to it for the basic premnise that they are there to discuss what's on screen and they direct the dialogue with the simple act of directing their thoughts to another announcer. The flow continues because Tony or JR, Excalibur or whoever gets that basic verbal cue and nobody else steps on someone else's spot. It's common courtesy in a discussion back and forth, and the audience is privy to it. Excalibur has assumed the role as the guy who gives the viewers the shills for special events and such, and no matter which combination they use, the vibe is better overall. I like that AEW shows a rapport between the talent and announcers that never gets presented as two worlds colliding. There's no benefit to talk down to an interviewer, and in WWE the segments always get produced where none of their reporters ever get to establish themselves in any way, ending with the thousand yard stare as a standard reaction. My favorite AEW segments are Mark Henry's prelude to the main event. He is placed on-screen in the middle as a moderator but in the smallest inset box. Mark's personality can come through and he doesn't literally overshadow the talent like Jules Strongbow from L.A. back 60 years ago.
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So WWE fired back.
The only thing that does is get people who haven't seen Punk-MJF to go and look for it. Correct. And AEW is so much better now than WWE, anyone who takes a look at AEW has as a good chance of staying. The gulf between both shows is amazing. Ratings say otherwise...... both products sucks at what they are trying to accomplish if we are honest...
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Joined: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 Location: Posts: 938 Status: Offline Mana: I don't understand AEWs logic in booking some of their talent. You get Orange Cassidy red hot and then he goes back to lower mid-card again. You get Darby Allin red hot with great matches against Sting and MJF, and now he's feuding with the Gunn Club. I realize that with a stacked roster you can't keep everyone on top all the time, but they could have gotten more from the MJF/Darby feud for sure. Other than a select few, it seems that AEW doesn't want people to stay over.
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So WWE fired back.
The only thing that does is get people who haven't seen Punk-MJF to go and look for it. Correct. And AEW is so much better now than WWE, anyone who takes a look at AEW has as a good chance of staying. The gulf between both shows is amazing. Ratings say otherwise...... both products sucks at what they are trying to accomplish if we are honest...
Don't know about the ratings but the food stuff in AEW is tremendousThere's still a lot of shit but the good stuff is great and better than anything I've seen in WWE in decades.
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Erm........ They are still over, very over. I'd be very surprised if you actually watch the show from this post. There are people who watch AEW only to see Orange Cassidy. His positioning actually serves his gimmick much better. People just want to see his stuff, so as long as he on the show, it doesn't matter where he is on the card.
To Darby Allin, one notable thing about AEW is that they don't do many of the things that people complain about in WWE. No scripted promos. No prescribed wrestling style. No wobbly cameras. No zooming in and out. No filling the show with recaps. No commentators talking all over each other. No endless rematches. MJF and Darby had their match, MJF won, he moved onto CM Punk. Darby lost, he had to take what he was given, and accepted a challenge from Billy Gunn. Not that I'm a Billy Gunn fan, but this will be done in a week or two and Darby will work his way back up the card, because wins and losses do matter here. And watching last week's show, Darby is still very much over.
You're judging AEW by WWE standards. Just watch the show.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/155.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu155')">wittman2a> wrote: I don't understand AEWs logic in booking some of their talent. You get Orange Cassidy red hot and then he goes back to lower mid-card again. You get Darby Allin red hot with great matches against Sting and MJF, and now he's feuding with the Gunn Club. I realize that with a stacked roster you can't keep everyone on top all the time, but they could have gotten more from the MJF/Darby feud for sure. Other than a select few, it seems that AEW doesn't want people to stay over.
I agree they could have and still should get more out of Allin v MJF. Orange Cassidy isn't for me but he was over huge and probably still is. There's too many stables for my liking and it's hurting some of the better talents I think.
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Erm........ They are still over, very over. I'd be very surprised if you actually watch the show from this post. There are people who watch AEW only to see Orange Cassidy. His positioning actually serves his gimmick much better. People just want to see his stuff, so as long as he on the show, it doesn't matter where he is on the card.
To Darby Allin, one notable thing about AEW is that they don't do many of the things that people complain about in WWE. No scripted promos. No prescribed wrestling style. No wobbly cameras. No zooming in and out. No filling the show with recaps. No commentators talking all over each other. No endless rematches. MJF and Darby had their match, MJF won, he moved onto CM Punk. Darby lost, he had to take what he was given, and accepted a challenge from Billy Gunn. Not that I'm a Billy Gunn fan, but this will be done in a week or two and Darby will work his way back up the card, because wins and losses do matter here. And watching last week's show, Darby is still very much over.
You're judging AEW by WWE standards. Just watch the show.
The most amazing thing about AEW is their ability to get and keep everyone over, even when they're not featured in main event spots for a while. It's like old NWA where Dusty and Arn could feud over the TV title for a month and you felt like you were watching the main event anyway. Jericho is a mid-carder now and no one noticed. Darby can move back into a title shot and have the fans believing he can win it on any episode. MJF has never been the main event but seems like he always has. What they're doing with this roster is nothing short of miraculous. There are a few misses of course, like Adam Cole who debuted at the worst time and hasn't quite gotten there yet, but you know he will.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Yeah Cole, who I saw very little of prior to AEW has been a letdown so far. As you say, bad timing has a lot to do with it.
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I'm not so sure. It's pretty clear to me that they have building towards Adam Cole vs Kenny Omega since day one.
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I'm not so sure. It's pretty clear to me that they have building towards Adam Cole vs Kenny Omega since day one.
Yes it is obvious and i am excited because Cole is really a great promo person and doesn't have to do the 4th wall BS like a lot of his contemporaries and Omega promo style is kind of awkward but the matches will be good..
but that community theater bs they did with Hangman Page and one of the Jackson boys giving him the nod was stupid and dumb shit in my opinion ....
and i don't want to hear how it is storyline callback it is stupid Hollywood bullshit, that defeats the whole purpose of the past six months with the elite making his life hell ...
Also on Cole i will wait and see ...AEW has decent will with how they reinvented Miro and he was great character with his Redeemer character and his promos felt big time... So i will let it play out with Cole before i judge..
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but that community theater bs they did with Hangman Page and one of the Jackson boys giving him the nod was stupid and dumb shit in my opinion ....
and i don't want to hear how it is storyline callback it is stupid Hollywood bullshit, that defeats the whole purpose of the past six months with the elite making his life hell ...
Well you already know the answer then. It was the payoff to a 2-year long angle building up their respect, and might lead elsewhere once Omega returns.
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Posted: Tue Nov 30th, 2021 08:06 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2021st Post Jim_Irish
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I'm not so sure. It's pretty clear to me that they have building towards Adam Cole vs Kenny Omega since day one. Yes, I just don't really like how they are doing it. Granted, many (most?) fans know all the back story here and I don't. But Cole has not looked strong since starting with AEW and he's picked Bobby Fish as partner, a guy who's already looking like a jobber. I'm sure he will do fine with time.
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I'm not so sure. It's pretty clear to me that they have building towards Adam Cole vs Kenny Omega since day one. Yes, I just don't really like how they are doing it. Granted, many (most?) fans know all the back story here and I don't. But Cole has not looked strong since starting with AEW and he's picked Bobby Fish as partner, a guy who's already looking like a jobber. I'm sure he will do fine with time.
Fish is another one who's come in and they put him over verbally, but if you haven't followed his career for 10 years you have no reason to care about him. He's brand new and he loses all the time. And his best teammate is O'Reilly, not Cole, anyway. As a singles or when teaming with others, outside of a 6-month period in ROH where he was TV champ, he's never really been pushed hard. He's sorta the weak link of the group in ROH, NXT, and now AEW. So they needed to put him over strong at first, and that's impossible with the depth of talent they have and lack of TV time to give to them all. And when/if O'Reilly comes in, do they reform ReDragon and revisit their Young Bucks feud from ROH and FTR feud from NXT, or has O'Reilly outgrown that and will he want a big singles push at this point in his career? Because honestly, all the dream matches have already been done elsewhere, except maybe with the Lucha Bros.
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Erm........ They are still over, very over. I'd be very surprised if you actually watch the show from this post. There are people who watch AEW only to see Orange Cassidy. His positioning actually serves his gimmick much better. People just want to see his stuff, so as long as he on the show, it doesn't matter where he is on the card.
To Darby Allin, one notable thing about AEW is that they don't do many of the things that people complain about in WWE. No scripted promos. No prescribed wrestling style. No wobbly cameras. No zooming in and out. No filling the show with recaps. No commentators talking all over each other. No endless rematches. MJF and Darby had their match, MJF won, he moved onto CM Punk. Darby lost, he had to take what he was given, and accepted a challenge from Billy Gunn. Not that I'm a Billy Gunn fan, but this will be done in a week or two and Darby will work his way back up the card, because wins and losses do matter here. And watching last week's show, Darby is still very much over.
You're judging AEW by WWE standards. Just watch the show.
So I do watch the shows, and I generally enjoy them. But some of their booking moves just have me shaking my head. Darby and MJF was a great match. Why end it there, especially since MJF won by nefarious means? Why not have Darby challenge him to a rematch with a No DQ stipulation or something? I'm not saying they need to go until the next PPV, but it would fill out some TV time and give another great match. I'm sorry, but if losing to MJF drops you down to working with the fucking Gunn Club, well that's a hell of a drop, considering the Gunn Club haven't been on one of the main shows in such a long time, if at all, other than being in the crowd during the COVID lockdowns. As far as Orange goes, he's still over, but not like he was earlier in the year. He was molten hot and now he's working with Wheeler Yuta in tag matches against an unknown Bobby Fish and Adam Cole. And since Cole is with the Elite, its a solid assumption that he's going over. They could have pushed Orange into the main event scene and instead they let that heat slip to where he's now pretty much where he was at the beginning- a good worker with an unusual gimmick who's solid in the ring but won't ever get above mid card level. Also, what happened to Flyin' Brian Jr? He/his team was getting the beginnings of a push and then they vanished. Are they still being used? Or was there a hold up with their MLW contracts or something?
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Also, what happened to Flyin' Brian Jr? He/his team was getting the beginnings of a push and then they vanished. Are they still being used? Or was there a hold up with their MLW contracts or something?
Pillman is back on Dark teaming with Griff Garrison. I'm not sure why thy took him off the main shows, but again I'm sure it has to do with talent glut.
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I'm not so sure. It's pretty clear to me that they have building towards Adam Cole vs Kenny Omega since day one. Yes, I just don't really like how they are doing it. Granted, many (most?) fans know all the back story here and I don't. But Cole has not looked strong since starting with AEW and he's picked Bobby Fish as partner, a guy who's already looking like a jobber. I'm sure he will do fine with time.
Fish is another one who's come in and they put him over verbally, but if you haven't followed his career for 10 years you have no reason to care about him. He's brand new and he loses all the time. And his best teammate is O'Reilly, not Cole, anyway. As a singles or when teaming with others, outside of a 6-month period in ROH where he was TV champ, he's never really been pushed hard. He's sorta the weak link of the group in ROH, NXT, and now AEW. So they needed to put him over strong at first, and that's impossible with the depth of talent they have and lack of TV time to give to them all. And when/if O'Reilly comes in, do they reform ReDragon and revisit their Young Bucks feud from ROH and FTR feud from NXT, or has O'Reilly outgrown that and will he want a big singles push at this point in his career? Because honestly, all the dream matches have already been done elsewhere, except maybe with the Lucha Bros. I'd not seen Fish but I really like him. He's got a good look and looks great in the ring. Only heard him talk once or twice and it wasn't anything to write home about. But he's buried already.
I'm not sure why they had Pullman Jr pushed pretty hard and then disappeared from the two main shows right after losing to MJF. He looks pretty good but is still very green and some of his stuff with MJF didn't come across well, he wasn't angry enough or something. But I thought that may have been a stepping stone and instead he's relegated to Dark. He's still got a big future ahead I think. Last edited on Tue Nov 30th, 2021 10:40 pm by Jim_Irish
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I just do not get it.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I couldn’t figure out what was going on with Cody’s back until the flaming table finish and then it became obvious he was wrestling the whole match with some sort of flame retardant coated on that started to peel off with his sweat. And maybe it peeled too much because he was pretty badly burnt, and managed to accidentally set Andrade’s chest on fire during the pin too.
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That stage was ready to claim a victim tonight; Danielson turned to walk away from the staredown with Adam Page and he gingerly corrected his stride which was about to take him to almost the same spot as Arn landed later. I wonder if what they had planned with Arn and Jose the Assistant was severely modified; there were lots of elements already loaded up for this match and they didn't need one more.
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That stage was ready to claim a victim tonight; Danielson turned to walk away from the staredown with Adam Page and he gingerly corrected his stride which was about to take him to almost the same spot as Arn landed later. I wonder if what they had planned with Arn and Jose the Assistant was severely modified; there were lots of elements already loaded up for this match and they didn't need one more.
I think they were just supposed to fight to the back as they did, but Jose very obviously had to help Arn up first (and it took forever) before fighting him. It looked really bad. But I was glad when Arn was able to walk on his own because I thought he might’ve been badly hurt.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: That table spot was weird. It looked like the table had some kind of plastic veneer that melted when it was on fire. Cody gave Andrade the suplex, with Andrade clearing the table and Cody taking the bump through the flaming table. But that was clearly the planned finish, since Cody had the fire-resistant gel on his back. So it was just a regular super-plex, but the guy doing the move deliberately put himself through a flaming table. They really should stop with this death match stuff, because they aren't crazy enough to do it "properly" and every time they have tried it, it's looked kind of lame, and any time anyone talks about it, they discuss how fake it looked rather than how cool it looked.
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Posted: Thu Dec 2nd, 2021 01:38 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2035th Post Quattro
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: Posts: 4476 Status: Offline Mana: It was awful. Cody putting himself on the table at one point. Waiting on spots. I just do not get it.
I know I am an old fuddy but dang
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: So I watched a few other flaming table spots, including the one at Onw Night Stand because I presumed that WWE would do it in as safe a way as possible. From what I can tell, the lighter fluid is supposed to catch on fire, but not the table, so when the fluid is all burned through, the fire goes out. I didn't see a single time from watching about 10 other flaming tables when the actual table caught on fire. So I'm guessing they used the wrong kind of table. I know there have been plenty of fire accidents in wrestling, but I was specifically looking for a table catching fire rather than the fluid and i couldn't find it.
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Joined: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 Location: Posts: 938 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: So I watched a few other flaming table spots, including the one at Onw Night Stand because I presumed that WWE would do it in as safe a way as possible. From what I can tell, the lighter fluid is supposed to catch on fire, but not the table, so when the fluid is all burned through, the fire goes out. I didn't see a single time from watching about 10 other flaming tables when the actual table caught on fire. So I'm guessing they used the wrong kind of table. I know there have been plenty of fire accidents in wrestling, but I was specifically looking for a table catching fire rather than the fluid and i couldn't find it.
Good point. Even in ECW when the wrestler would go through the table the fire almost immediately went out. This just kept burning
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: AEW champion Adam Page will fill in for JR on commentary tonight.
I'm watching it now and on the picture-in-picture part of the Punk match. My take so far, Danielson is a genius. And I said at the time it was too soon to turn him heel, before I'd seen it. I was wrong then and time is making me even more wrong. This guy is doing incredible stuff. He's turned a crowd on him completely in 3 weeks by doing some very simple things very, very well.
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The show was mainly very good up to that. I like the Wardlow squash and that they didn't overdo it with corner finish.
Women's match was OK though either the crowd was dead for most of it (and I think it was) or the sound was screwed up. Punk match was good again.
That main event was the shits. Its a pity because I think they could have a very good match if they just had a match and cut out all the props and stopped over-complicating everything. Last edited on Fri Dec 3rd, 2021 12:29 am by Jim_Irish
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I really didn’t like how MJF was booked in Long Island. The whole thing just felt off to me, even though the fans seemed to enjoy it. It wasn’t for me. And although Punk was having the time of his life feeling LI, I hated them doing that right after they did something similar with Danielson. I just thought the whole thing was confusing.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I just watched and it was their worst show on quite a while. Danielson's match was good as always, and three weeks of 'kicking heads in' is probably about enough.
The rest of the show had some decent moments. I liked the women's match, the tag match was OK. I skipped most of the 8 man tag. But it was a mess of a show with lots of shit thrown at the wall. I didn't like the CM Punk bit either though I'm looking forward to the match. The bits with the varsity club guys was fuckin terrible, the Guevara non-interview was awful too, and nonsensical. Pity, it's been good for the last few months. Hopefully just a blip. Last edited on Thu Dec 9th, 2021 10:47 pm by Jim_Irish
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Rampage had the AEW debut of Hook who defeated Fuego del Sol with the katahajime which Taz says has been rebranded as "Redrum". Everything that could have showcased Hook as something unique was done well but he didn't squash Fuego so much as give himself a position as someone people would want to see. He's in a good place with Taz doing the mic work to explain who he is and in that faction, he can grow without being overexposed too quickly.
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Rampage had the AEW debut of Hook who defeated Fuego del Sol with the katahajime which Taz says has been rebranded as "Redrum". Everything that could have showcased Hook as something unique was done well but he didn't squash Fuego so much as give himself a position as someone people would want to see. He's in a good place with Taz doing the mic work to explain who he is and in that faction, he can grow without being overexposed too quickly.
Hook looked amazing. I had no interest in him from what he had been doing looking like a 12-year old and taking cheap shots, but damn that debut was impressive. He also did the head-and-arm Tazplex and the crossfaces that his father used to do.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I hope they notice that the shows have been better for not having Jim Ross and Justin Roberts this past week. Last week they overdid it with having 101 guest commentators, but Excalibur, Tony and Taz are their best commentators, and that's all they should be using on their main shows. Bring in JR for big matches that he's going be invested in, but keep him away from stuff that he doesn't like. Justin Roberts isn't as annoying as he was when AEW started, but I still think Dasha is a better announcer. She's not so over the top, and she can pronounce Spanish names without sounding like a goof.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Hook looked great. Really good debut.
The two tag matches were dogshit, the backstage attack was sort of nonsensical. Then Hook came along and stole the show.
I actually watched the match twice, which is rare.
Also, I agree with the ring announcer, less annoying than Justin Roberts. I assume he has had a family bereavement? Last edited on Sun Dec 12th, 2021 03:27 pm by Jim_Irish
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: While the Omega-Danielson draw was predictable to me, I wasn’t expecting Danielson-Page to go 60 minutes. I kept expecting Page to pull it out with only a few minutes left. It was a great match but I thought Page should’ve won it. This sets up a rematch and I wonder where they go from here. Will they go longer than 60 next time?
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I hadn’t thought about it much before last night, but just a few minutes into the match I had a feeling they were going an hour. I think they’re going to build this into the Danielson story of how he is undefeated but also can’t win the title somewhere down the line. AEW does a great job of always having a clean finish, but a draw also keeps both guys strong. At this point neither should lose, at least not yet.
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Posted: Thu Dec 16th, 2021 02:39 pm PM Quote Reply 2048th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: While the Omega-Danielson draw was predictable to me, I wasn’t expecting Danielson-Page to go 60 minutes. I kept expecting Page to pull it out with only a few minutes left. It was a great match but I thought Page should’ve won it. This sets up a rematch and I wonder where they go from here. Will they go longer than 60 next time?
The rematch has to be on PPV. They do have the Battle of the Belts special in January, but this match would be wasted on TV on a Saturday night. I'd predict that if they name the time limit for the rematch, we get a second draw, and the finish will come in a no time limit match, which will be very short.
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Posted: Thu Dec 16th, 2021 03:36 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2049th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: While the Omega-Danielson draw was predictable to me, I wasn’t expecting Danielson-Page to go 60 minutes. I kept expecting Page to pull it out with only a few minutes left. It was a great match but I thought Page should’ve won it. This sets up a rematch and I wonder where they go from here. Will they go longer than 60 next time?
I hadn’t thought about it much before last night, but just a few minutes into the match I had a feeling they were going an hour. I think they’re going to build this into the Danielson story of how he is undefeated but also can’t win the title somewhere down the line. AEW does a great job of always having a clean finish, but a draw also keeps both guys strong. At this point neither should lose, at least not yet.
I think at this point in Danielson’s career there’s nothing wrong with him just having good matches but losing sometimes. It won’t hurt him at all, and at his age after one forced retirement already, it’s realistic to have him still be great but not unbeatable. A draw against someone like Jungle Boy would mean more than with Page, who as a new World champ should probably win outright. But the match was great so I’m not complaining.
What Vince will never understand is that the quality and length of the match is important. When a star jobs on TV in 3 minutes, it kills him and then Vince wonders why he can’t get over when he starts getting pushed. Losing in 40 minutes in a great match doesn’t hurt. Danielson could’ve lost last night in that amount of time and stay exactly as strong as he is from the draw.
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Posted: Thu Dec 16th, 2021 05:18 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2050th Post cookie32723
Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: While the Omega-Danielson draw was predictable to me, I wasn’t expecting Danielson-Page to go 60 minutes. I kept expecting Page to pull it out with only a few minutes left. It was a great match but I thought Page should’ve won it. This sets up a rematch and I wonder where they go from here. Will they go longer than 60 next time?
I hadn’t thought about it much before last night, but just a few minutes into the match I had a feeling they were going an hour. I think they’re going to build this into the Danielson story of how he is undefeated but also can’t win the title somewhere down the line. AEW does a great job of always having a clean finish, but a draw also keeps both guys strong. At this point neither should lose, at least not yet.
I think at this point in Danielson’s career there’s nothing wrong with him just having good matches but losing sometimes. It won’t hurt him at all, and at his age after one forced retirement already, it’s realistic to have him still be great but not unbeatable. A draw against someone like Jungle Boy would mean more than with Page, who as a new World champ should probably win outright. But the match was great so I’m not complaining.
What Vince will never understand is that the quality and length of the match is important. When a star jobs on TV in 3 minutes, it kills him and then Vince wonders why he can’t get over when he starts getting pushed. Losing in 40 minutes in a great match doesn’t hurt. Danielson could’ve lost last night in that amount of time and stay exactly as strong as he is from the draw.
I agree with what you are saying, Danielson can easily lose and it not hurt him. He’s one of the few guys who are so well established that strong losses won’t hurt him. I just think with him still being relatively new to AEW it’s too soon, and also that this will play into a larger part of his story down the road.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: The only thing wrong with that match was the commercial breaks. It was tremendous a tremendous match and the best I have seen Page. Brilliant.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: If AEW's previous is anything to go by they'll switch it up and have Danielson feud with someone else. I hope they don't.
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Posted: Fri Dec 17th, 2021 01:10 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2054th Post Jim_Irish
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Posted: Fri Dec 17th, 2021 05:24 am PM Quote Reply 2055th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: The way they are doing this Wardlow thing is ridiculous.
When Wardlow finally turns on MJF, he's going to be a huge babyface.
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Posted: Fri Dec 17th, 2021 08:31 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2056th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: The way they are doing this Wardlow thing is ridiculous.
When Wardlow finally turns on MJF, he's going to be a huge babyface.
I know but this shit with Shawn Spears is too blatantly obvious. That bit with Spears getting on the mic during the match was awful. It's ruining something that could be very good if they just kept it simple.
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When Wardlow finally turns on MJF, he's going to be a huge babyface.
I know but this shit with Shawn Spears is too blatantly obvious. That bit with Spears getting on the mic during the match was awful. It's ruining something that could be very good if they just kept it simple.
The problem wasn't with the angle, it was to have a reason for Wardlow and Spears not to be in the building later. The problem is that Shawn Spears is not very good. He sticks out as being a level below the others on the AEW roster. Especially the former WWE people they have. They haven't hired too many so-so WWE guys. Spears is the worst, and I'd also include Tony Nese (great wrestler, zero personality) and (hushed tones) Miro on that list (a great promo when given good material, but he can't wrestle).
Compare to Impact who have hired a load of duds from WWE. Yeah, they are getting some of them over, but Zach Ryder and Curt Hawkins were basically jobbers in WWE, and had been on the very bottom of the card for many years. Whatever their talents, they weren't people that wrestling fans were shouting out to be given a fair chance. Ryder maybe 10 years ago, but not today. Steve Cutler is maybe the most boring wrestler on national TV today.
Anyway, I digress... Last edited on Fri Dec 17th, 2021 08:48 am by Kriss
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Posted: Fri Dec 17th, 2021 12:46 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2058th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I agree 100% about Spears. I watched a few of the very early AEW shows and Spears was pretty heavily featured (with Cody, I think) and he looked completely our of place. Fast forward nearly 2 years later and he's still there and adding nothing.
They have been teasing Wardlow breaking away for a long, long time (probably too long) but now they aren't teasing it, they are smashing you over the head with it. If they had Wardlow wrestle without Spears, powerbomb the living shit out of everyone in short time, and THEN turn on MJF, would that be so bad? There's no need for the spare prick here, be it Spears or anyone else. Wardlow and MJF is the story.
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Posted: Fri Dec 17th, 2021 02:51 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2059th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Steve Cutler is maybe the most boring wrestler on national TV today.
Cutler was involved in a tremendous 3-way X Division match at the last PPV. He's a black hole of charisma but he proved he could go when in there with the right people and given time.
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Posted: Sun Dec 19th, 2021 06:47 pm PM Quote Reply 2060th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: S&W's resident gossip queen here with another behind the scenes update...
Sammy Guevara announced over the past couple of the days that he has split with his fiancé Pam. He had proposed to her earlier this year in the ring, and it was featured on Dynamite. They were high-school sweethearts, so I guess they had been together around 10 years.
Tay Conti is featured prominently on Sammy's weekly vlog, and their interactions led some to speculate that there was something going on between them. They denied this on the vlog last week, so these rumors must have been getting some traction. Conti announced recently that she had split from her husband some time ago.
Adding all this together, the internet trolls were out in force attacking Conti for being a homewrecker, and she has deleted her twitter. I wonder if these are the same trolls who said that Pam wasn't hot enough for Sammy?
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Posted: Sun Dec 19th, 2021 07:08 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2061st Post srossi
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tony Khan may have donated to Trump but he’s now feuding with FOX News after an opinion piece said the Khans were having a rough month between the Jags firing Urban Meyer and AEW ratings. Khan fired off this tweet:
“Hey @foxnews it’s amusing hearing you opining about @aew ratings considering #AEWDynamite on Wednesday has beaten EVERY single @foxnews show for 6 straight weeks! Here are the recent charts (including this week) to prove it. See you TONIGHT on @tntdrama 10pmET/9pmCT @ #AEWRampage”
Khan was talking about the 18-49 demo again because in overall viewership, FOX News easily beats AEW.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: It appears that Brian Cage will be the first high-profile departure from AEW, and possibly the first to jump from AEW to WWE instead of the other way around. Cage was last seen in AEW in early October when he lost to Ricky Starks. Cage’s wife was vocal on social media about the way he was being booked to the point that he got heat for it and was pulled from TV. He’s regularly wrestled indy matches since so he’s not hurt. Sources seem to believe that he’s unofficially gone and WWE has interest.
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Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: It appears that Brian Cage will be the first high-profile departure from AEW, and possibly the first to jump from AEW to WWE instead of the other way around. Cage was last seen in AEW in early October when he lost to Ricky Starks. Cage’s wife was vocal on social media about the way he was being booked to the point that he got heat for it and was pulled from TV. He’s regularly wrestled indy matches since so he’s not hurt. Sources seem to believe that he’s unofficially gone and WWE has interest. He is the big guy that's about the same size as Wardlow and was a former Impact Champion and the guy that Taz put the FTW belt on, correct? Who is his wife? And why would she shit on the way he was booked? Did she think he should have been the Champion, or does she think that he got pushed down when guys like Punk and Danielson showed up.
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Posted: Thu Dec 23rd, 2021 03:35 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2066th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: It appears that Brian Cage will be the first high-profile departure from AEW, and possibly the first to jump from AEW to WWE instead of the other way around. Cage was last seen in AEW in early October when he lost to Ricky Starks. Cage’s wife was vocal on social media about the way he was being booked to the point that he got heat for it and was pulled from TV. He’s regularly wrestled indy matches since so he’s not hurt. Sources seem to believe that he’s unofficially gone and WWE has interest. He is the big guy that's about the same size as Wardlow and was a former Impact Champion and the guy that Taz put the FTW belt on, correct? Who is his wife? And why would she shit on the way he was booked? Did she think he should have been the Champion, or does she think that he got pushed down when guys like Punk and Danielson showed up.
That’s him. His wife is Melissa Santos, the ring announcer from Lucha Underground who briefly was a backstage interviewer for Impact.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Kyle O’Reilly debuted tonight, reforming The Undisputed Era by helping Adam Cole and Bobby Fish beat up Orange Cassidy and Best Friends. Afterwards, the Young Bucks came out and weren’t happy as Cole stood between the two teams.
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Posted: Thu Dec 23rd, 2021 08:18 am PM Quote Reply 2068th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Brian Cage's problem is that he's not nearly as good as Melissa Santos thinks he his. He's got the body and some impressive moves, but he just didn't get over in AEW, and he was definitely given as much of a chance as anyone else.
He's 37 and he's been around for a long time now. If WWE really had any interest in him, he'd have signed there long ago. What are WWE going to do with him. He's "only" six feet tall. Stand him next to, say, Drew McIntyre, and he doesn't look so impressive. Looking at his bloat, he might also have trouble passing a drugs test. And as for in the ring, we all saw Keith Lee and how far being a big man who wrestles like a small man gets you in WWE.
If WWE do sign Brian Cage, it's a sign of desperation. He's literally an AEW reject. They can't push him as a guy who AEW never gave a chance to, because he's not good enough. They could ring him in and bury him, but I'm not sure what that would accomplish. I'm not sure would be happy with him coming in, either.
I really don't see WWE signing him, though.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: AEW aired this video on Dynamite last night, honoring the legacy of Owen Hart ahead of the Owen Hart Tournament:
<A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odickRYFLvw" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odickRYFLvwA>
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: A fan was violently removed from the building last night for holding up a “transphobic” sign during Nyla Rose’s match on Dynamite.
Jim Cornette is under major fire today for this tweet:
“Boy, times have changed. When wrestling drew big crowds, fans got tossed out if they committed physical assault or pulled out a knife. If you'd tossed them for saying horrible things & hurting the wrestlers' feelings, the buildings would have been empty--like they are now.”
But Nyla herself is under fire for a now deleted tweet directed at a disabled fan who wrote some transphobic things about her (mwtapes?):
“You tweeting out needless hateful sh*t like this and you wonder why God put you in a wheelchair…. Keep on rollin brotha.”
So everyone’s butt hurt today.
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Posted: Thu Dec 23rd, 2021 10:21 pm PM Quote Reply 2071st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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But Nyla herself is under fire for a now deleted tweet directed at a disabled fan who wrote some transphobic things about her (mwtapes?):
“You tweeting out needless hateful sh*t like this and you wonder why God put you in a wheelchair…. Keep on rollin brotha.”
So everyone’s butt hurt today.
Glenn Hoddle was fired for less.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Meltzer is reporting that the 6-man main event with Sting, Punk, and Darby vs. MJF and FTR might be the most watched segment in AEW history and possibly tied Raw’s best viewership from this week. Final numbers not in yet. But Sting returning to Greensboro was a mega-draw.
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Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Meltzer is reporting that the 6-man main event with Sting, Punk, and Darby vs. MJF and FTR might be the most watched segment in AEW history and possibly tied Raw’s best viewership from this week. Final numbers not in yet. But Sting returning to Greensboro was a mega-draw.
It was also a helluva match with a fun ending. Good match to get a lot of eyeballs on if true and could set the stage to pop a big rating or butyrate for Punk/MJF.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Meltzer is reporting that the 6-man main event with Sting, Punk, and Darby vs. MJF and FTR might be the most watched segment in AEW history and possibly tied Raw’s best viewership from this week. Final numbers not in yet. But Sting returning to Greensboro was a mega-draw.
It was also a helluva match with a fun ending. Good match to get a lot of eyeballs on if true and could set the stage to pop a big rating or butyrate for Punk/MJF.
It's a sad state of affairs when, for all the work AEW have done in introducing new talent to national television, taking guys from WWE who weren't being used properly, and getting CM Punk back out of retirement, it's 62-year-old Sting wrestling that pops a rating.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: A fan was violently removed from the building last night for holding up a “transphobic” sign during Nyla Rose’s match on Dynamite.
Jim Cornette is under major fire today for this tweet:
“Boy, times have changed. When wrestling drew big crowds, fans got tossed out if they committed physical assault or pulled out a knife. If you'd tossed them for saying horrible things & hurting the wrestlers' feelings, the buildings would have been empty--like they are now.”
But Nyla herself is under fire for a now deleted tweet directed at a disabled fan who wrote some transphobic things about her (mwtapes?):
“You tweeting out needless hateful sh*t like this and you wonder why God put you in a wheelchair…. Keep on rollin brotha.”
So everyone’s butt hurt today. 😂
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote:
But Nyla herself is under fire for a now deleted tweet directed at a disabled fan who wrote some transphobic things about her (mwtapes?):
“You tweeting out needless hateful sh*t like this and you wonder why God put you in a wheelchair…. Keep on rollin brotha.”
So everyone’s butt hurt today.
Glenn Hoddle was fired for less. And look at him now. And at best he was fired for as bad, not less.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Just watched the show.
The Cole-Cassidy match was actually good at times but too much run-in nonsense. And the tease at the end went on so long that Fish and O'Reilly looked dumb just standing there looking forwards.
I said before I left Asby gonna watch tag matches anymore as they are nearly all awful. But that main enemy was very good. Last edited on Fri Dec 24th, 2021 12:08 am by Jim_Irish
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Also, for the first time in AEW, Malakai looked great.
And as an aside, I saw Cole doing an interview a few weeks back and thought he looked pale. He also looks TINY and has very little definition. Has he always looked this bad? How did I only notice recently?
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Meltzer is reporting that the 6-man main event with Sting, Punk, and Darby vs. MJF and FTR might be the most watched segment in AEW history and possibly tied Raw’s best viewership from this week. Final numbers not in yet. But Sting returning to Greensboro was a mega-draw.
It was also a helluva match with a fun ending. Good match to get a lot of eyeballs on if true and could set the stage to pop a big rating or butyrate for Punk/MJF.
It's a sad state of affairs when, for all the work AEW have done in introducing new talent to national television, taking guys from WWE who weren't being used properly, and getting CM Punk back out of retirement, it's 62-year-old Sting wrestling that pops a rating.
Current fans are just that: current. They watch every week. To move the needle, nostalgia helps in bringing back lapsed fans. AEW aimed the promotion of the match at old WCW/NWA fans and it worked. And I’m sure Punk was a part of that number too.
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Jim Cornette is under major fire today for this tweet:
“Boy, times have changed. When wrestling drew big crowds, fans got tossed out if they committed physical assault or pulled out a knife. If you'd tossed them for saying horrible things & hurting the wrestlers' feelings, the buildings would have been empty--like they are now.”
But Nyla herself is under fire for a now deleted tweet directed at a disabled fan who wrote some transphobic things about her (mwtapes?):
“You tweeting out needless hateful sh*t like this and you wonder why God put you in a wheelchair…. Keep on rollin brotha.”
So everyone’s butt hurt today.
I didn’t notice it live and it takes awhile to find out online what these “offensive” things actually are because no one wants to repeat it, but the sign said “This guy is Nyla Rose’s dad”. Nyla saw the sign and very clearly flipped off the fan with a smile on her face, so she took it pretty much in stride. Nyla’s wife (she’s married apparently!) was pretty upset though and was going off on Twitter all day. AEW is also being criticized for taking so long to remove the fan. The sign disappeared quickly, but the fan moved back a few rows and was still around at the start of the main event before being thrown out.
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This is a Spoiker for Rampage tomorrow night
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Hook looked good again and is massively over.
The guy Jungle Boy wrestled was awful. Isiaih something. Looked really unsure of himself.
The woman's match was OK.
I was surprised at how much I liked the main event. Cody is good when he's not adding stipulations and gimmicks and extra false finishes all over the place. Decent show, better than any Rampage show in quite a while. Last edited on Sun Dec 26th, 2021 01:40 pm by Jim_Irish
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Hook looked good again and is massively over.
The guy Jungle Boy wrestled was awful. Isiaih something. Looked really unsure of himself.
The woman's match was OK.
I was surprised at how much I liked the main event. Cody is good when he's not adding stipulations and gimmicks and extra false finishes all over the place. Decent show, better than any Rampage show in quite a while.
I can’t believe how good Hook is and how over he got after one match. He’s legit more over than 98% of the WWE roster.
Cody is absolutely fine but they need to turn him heel and stop fighting with the fans like WWE does. It’s ridiculous to keep him as a face right now. Unfortunately I didn’t see many signs of him really turning last night.
Isaiah Kassidy is one half of Private Party, who basically disappeared a long time ago. They were sent to Impact for some reps and haven’t done much since. It was a poor signing back when The Young Bucks had signing power and for some reason fell in love with them on an Indy show, but they’ve never looked ready for primetime and in 2 years haven’t gotten much better. Being used as jobbers in singles matches is a bad sign.
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Cody is absolutely fine but they need to turn him heel and stop fighting with the fans like WWE does. It’s ridiculous to keep him as a face right now. Unfortunately I didn’t see many signs of him really turning last night.
I'm pretty sure Cody is trying to be Homelander from "The Boys" on Amazon Prime. His ring gear matches, and there have been some overt nods on social media from both AEW and the "The Boys" accounts. Basically the gimmick is that Cody is a heel, but he's 100% convinced he is a pure babyface. I'm not sure if this can get over even if it's executed perfectly. In The Boys, the people think that Homelander is a face, because they don't know the real truth, but we, the audience do, and see him as the heel he is. In AEW, the "people" and the audience are one and the same, so there's always going to be a disconnect.
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Cody is absolutely fine but they need to turn him heel and stop fighting with the fans like WWE does. It’s ridiculous to keep him as a face right now. Unfortunately I didn’t see many signs of him really turning last night.
I'm pretty sure Cody is trying to be Homelander from "The Boys" on Amazon Prime. His ring gear matches, and there have been some overt nods on social media from both AEW and the "The Boys" accounts. Basically the gimmick is that Cody is a heel, but he's 100% convinced he is a pure babyface. I'm not sure if this can get over even if it's executed perfectly. In The Boys, the people think that Homelander is a face, because they don't know the real truth, but we, the audience do, and see him as the heel he is. In AEW, the "people" and the audience are one and the same, so there's always going to be a disconnect.
There are plenty of villains who see themselves as heroes and it can work fine in wrestling, and there are probably previous examples. But Cody still has the support of other faces who keep coming out and celebrating his wins with him. Without some narrative about how others realize who he really is, there’s not even an attempt at telling this story correctly. And I love “The Boys” but even for AEW that’s way too niche a show to build a premise around. Absolutely no one will get that. I watch the show and really don’t.
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They're already teasing their Greensboro return, whenever that is, as having a Cody vs. Hook match after this post-Xmas night segment. <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rZ3poHehI0" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rZ3poHehI0A>
I hope one of the wrestlers can teach Tony Khan how to climb into the ring. He seems to have good intentions but his presentation is awkward for basics like these public in-ring cameos.
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They're already teasing their Greensboro return, whenever that is, as having a Cody vs. Hook match after this post-Xmas night segment. <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rZ3poHehI0" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rZ3poHehI0A>
I hope one of the wrestlers can teach Tony Khan how to climb into the ring. He seems to have good intentions but his presentation is awkward for basics like these public in-ring cameos.
Tony Khan is definitely on the spectrum somewhere. I'll take him being awkward in public because we also get AEW. Other rich kids in his position would be spending all the money on hookers and Hennessy. An asexual, autistic, straight-edge, unfathomably rich kid is the perfect owner for a wrestling company.
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Cody is absolutely fine but they need to turn him heel and stop fighting with the fans like WWE does. It’s ridiculous to keep him as a face right now. Unfortunately I didn’t see many signs of him really turning last night.
I'm pretty sure Cody is trying to be Homelander from "The Boys" on Amazon Prime. His ring gear matches, and there have been some overt nods on social media from both AEW and the "The Boys" accounts. Basically the gimmick is that Cody is a heel, but he's 100% convinced he is a pure babyface. I'm not sure if this can get over even if it's executed perfectly. In The Boys, the people think that Homelander is a face, because they don't know the real truth, but we, the audience do, and see him as the heel he is. In AEW, the "people" and the audience are one and the same, so there's always going to be a disconnect.
There are plenty of villains who see themselves as heroes and it can work fine in wrestling, and there are probably previous examples. But Cody still has the support of other faces who keep coming out and celebrating his wins with him. Without some narrative about how others realize who he really is, there’s not even an attempt at telling this story correctly. And I love “The Boys” but even for AEW that’s way too niche a show to build a premise around. Absolutely no one will get that. I watch the show and really don’t.
Yeah, they are very close to having a great heel in Cody but they won't pull the trigger.
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Cody is absolutely fine but they need to turn him heel and stop fighting with the fans like WWE does. It’s ridiculous to keep him as a face right now. Unfortunately I didn’t see many signs of him really turning last night.
I'm pretty sure Cody is trying to be Homelander from "The Boys" on Amazon Prime. His ring gear matches, and there have been some overt nods on social media from both AEW and the "The Boys" accounts. Basically the gimmick is that Cody is a heel, but he's 100% convinced he is a pure babyface. I'm not sure if this can get over even if it's executed perfectly. In The Boys, the people think that Homelander is a face, because they don't know the real truth, but we, the audience do, and see him as the heel he is. In AEW, the "people" and the audience are one and the same, so there's always going to be a disconnect.
There are plenty of villains who see themselves as heroes and it can work fine in wrestling, and there are probably previous examples. But Cody still has the support of other faces who keep coming out and celebrating his wins with him. Without some narrative about how others realize who he really is, there’s not even an attempt at telling this story correctly. And I love “The Boys” but even for AEW that’s way too niche a show to build a premise around. Absolutely no one will get that. I watch the show and really don’t.
Yeah, they are very close to having a great heel in Cody but they won't pull the trigger. This is 100% by design. If you watch that post match deal with Hook, right at the beginning he talks about how he injured his "heel" in the match but was able to work through to the end. And when he is obviously trying to get the crowd to cheer for him but doing it in such a half hearted way that when they don't cheer and he starts to give them shit about it they just boo even more. This is basically a slow burn of what Matt Cardona has been doing in GCW - where he calls himself a straight white meat babyface, even in promos, but then heels on everything and everybody. Cody is taking it incredibly slowly. This will somehow play into him going full blown heel and then getting a World Title shot that he's basically been banned from having since show #1 in AEW by pissing off whomever is the champ at that point. I'm thinking it's going to be somebody like Punk or Danielson and not Hangman Page, because I think Cody is smart enough to not put himself over Page. If he puts himself over Punk or Danielson, they walk away without a scratch. You don't want to potentially bury Page.
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Cody is absolutely fine but they need to turn him heel and stop fighting with the fans like WWE does. It’s ridiculous to keep him as a face right now. Unfortunately I didn’t see many signs of him really turning last night.
I'm pretty sure Cody is trying to be Homelander from "The Boys" on Amazon Prime. His ring gear matches, and there have been some overt nods on social media from both AEW and the "The Boys" accounts. Basically the gimmick is that Cody is a heel, but he's 100% convinced he is a pure babyface. I'm not sure if this can get over even if it's executed perfectly. In The Boys, the people think that Homelander is a face, because they don't know the real truth, but we, the audience do, and see him as the heel he is. In AEW, the "people" and the audience are one and the same, so there's always going to be a disconnect.
There are plenty of villains who see themselves as heroes and it can work fine in wrestling, and there are probably previous examples. But Cody still has the support of other faces who keep coming out and celebrating his wins with him. Without some narrative about how others realize who he really is, there’s not even an attempt at telling this story correctly. And I love “The Boys” but even for AEW that’s way too niche a show to build a premise around. Absolutely no one will get that. I watch the show and really don’t.
Yeah, they are very close to having a great heel in Cody but they won't pull the trigger. This is 100% by design. If you watch that post match deal with Hook, right at the beginning he talks about how he injured his "heel" in the match but was able to work through to the end. And when he is obviously trying to get the crowd to cheer for him but doing it in such a half hearted way that when they don't cheer and he starts to give them shit about it they just boo even more. This is basically a slow burn of what Matt Cardona has been doing in GCW - where he calls himself a straight white meat babyface, even in promos, but then heels on everything and everybody. Cody is taking it incredibly slowly. This will somehow play into him going full blown heel and then getting a World Title shot that he's basically been banned from having since show #1 in AEW by pissing off whomever is the champ at that point. I'm thinking it's going to be somebody like Punk or Danielson and not Hangman Page, because I think Cody is smart enough to not put himself over Page. If he puts himself over Punk or Danielson, they walk away without a scratch. You don't want to potentially bury Page.
Exactly how I see it as well. Very, very slow burn. Like a few weeks back he “accidentally” started walking towards the heel locker room before turning around towards the crowd and going into the face locker room. If done effectively I think Cody turns into a really good heel who can generate MJF-type heat since the fans really don’t like him right now, especially if he does win the World Title down the road since he lost the stipulation match years ago, and agreed it should not be against Page.
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Jim Cornette is under major fire today for this tweet:
“Boy, times have changed. When wrestling drew big crowds, fans got tossed out if they committed physical assault or pulled out a knife. If you'd tossed them for saying horrible things & hurting the wrestlers' feelings, the buildings would have been empty--like they are now.”
But Nyla herself is under fire for a now deleted tweet directed at a disabled fan who wrote some transphobic things about her (mwtapes?):
“You tweeting out needless hateful sh*t like this and you wonder why God put you in a wheelchair…. Keep on rollin brotha.”
So everyone’s butt hurt today.
I didn’t notice it live and it takes awhile to find out online what these “offensive” things actually are because no one wants to repeat it, but the sign said “This guy is Nyla Rose’s dad”. Nyla saw the sign and very clearly flipped off the fan with a smile on her face, so she took it pretty much in stride. Nyla’s wife (she’s married apparently!) was pretty upset though and was going off on Twitter all day. AEW is also being criticized for taking so long to remove the fan. The sign disappeared quickly, but the fan moved back a few rows and was still around at the start of the main event before being thrown out.
It's such a stupid thing to get butthurt over. It's a fucking sign meant to get attention, I didn't think it was super transphobic or meant to be hurtful, just stupid fun. To kick the guy out just seems so stupid, and for her wife to get butthurt is incredibly dumb as well
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Jake Atlas, who announced he was taking time off from professional wrestling after Ring of Honor appearances in September, returned to the ring last night, working the AEW Dark tapings in Jacksonville, Florida.
Atlas wrestled Serpentico at the taping and after the bout was greeted on stage by AEW President Tony Khan. There is no word whether Atlas signed with the promotion at this time.
Atlas, 26, was first seen on a national scale when appearing on a WWE-centric episode of CBS' Undercover Boss with Stephanie McMahon. He was later signed to the promotion for the NXT brand before being released earlier this year.
PWInsider.com is seeking spoiler results from the taping.
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It’s ridiculous to keep him as a face right now. Unfortunately I didn’t see many signs of him really turning last night. I'm pretty sure Cody is trying to be Homelander from "The Boys" on Amazon Prime. His ring gear matches, and there have been some overt nods on social media from both AEW and the "The Boys" accounts. Basically the gimmick is that Cody is a heel, but he's 100% convinced he is a pure babyface. I'm not sure if this can get over even if it's executed perfectly. In The Boys, the people think that Homelander is a face, because they don't know the real truth, but we, the audience do, and see him as the heel he is. In AEW, the "people" and the audience are one and the same, so there's always going to be a disconnect. There are plenty of villains who see themselves as heroes and it can work fine in wrestling, and there are probably previous examples. But Cody still has the support of other faces who keep coming out and celebrating his wins with him. Without some narrative about how others realize who he really is, there’s not even an attempt at telling this story correctly. And I love “The Boys” but even for AEW that’s way too niche a show to build a premise around. Absolutely no one will get that. I watch the show and really don’t. Yeah, they are very close to having a great heel in Cody but they won't pull the trigger. This is 100% by design. If you watch that post match deal with Hook, right at the beginning he talks about how he injured his "heel" in the match but was able to work through to the end. And when he is obviously trying to get the crowd to cheer for him but doing it in such a half hearted way that when they don't cheer and he starts to give them shit about it they just boo even more. This is basically a slow burn of what Matt Cardona has been doing in GCW - where he calls himself a straight white meat babyface, even in promos, but then heels on everything and everybody. Cody is taking it incredibly slowly. This will somehow play into him going full blown heel and then getting a World Title shot that he's basically been banned from having since show #1 in AEW by pissing off whomever is the champ at that point. I'm thinking it's going to be somebody like Punk or Danielson and not Hangman Page, because I think Cody is smart enough to not put himself over Page. If he puts himself over Punk or Danielson, they walk away without a scratch. You don't want to potentially bury Page. Exactly how I see it as well. Very, very slow burn. Like a few weeks back he “accidentally” started walking towards the heel locker room before turning around towards the crowd and going into the face locker room. If done effectively I think Cody turns into a really good heel who can generate MJF-type heat since the fans really don’t like him right now, especially if he does win the World Title down the road since he lost the stipulation match years ago, and agreed it should not be against Page. AEW is selling a new Cody shirt with boxes for "Heel" and "Babyface" unchecked and the third box says "Winner" with a checkmark. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Dec 30th, 2021 05:11 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2104th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I might be in the minority but I love Dan Lambert so much. On Arn Anderson, “The man used to be a Horseman and now he’s just a whore…which is the perfect segue to Brandi, and if that’s her real name, she’s the first Brandi I’ve ever known who wasn’t a stripper.” ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Dec 30th, 2021 12:44 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2105th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: I might be in the minority but I love Dan Lambert so much. On Arn Anderson, “The man used to be a Horseman and now he’s just a whore…which is the perfect segue to Brandi, and if that’s her real name, she’s the first Brandi I’ve ever known who wasn’t a stripper.” When I first saw him I thought he was great and he was getting real heat. It's gone downhill a lot since then, and I'm not even sure what the point of his group is, or where some of the members have disappeared to. But I'm watching last nights show now and laughing at him, and even though the fans hate him in an X-Pac way they gave him a good reaction for his Cody tattoo jibe. He's much better in the ring and not doing that nonsense in the stands. And now Brandi Rhodes is out to a hell of an awful reaction. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Dec 30th, 2021 12:55 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2106th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: It will be interesting to see how they do without Keith Mitchell. The production on this show was poor again, a lot of spots missed, bad camera cuts,etc. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Dec 30th, 2021 01:14 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2107th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Not a good show but the women's match was good. I don't have a clue who the person who came out for the finish is but I guess she is a big deal that everyone else knows. Skipped the ten man tag because it is a ten man tag. The six man that followed it was better but more bullshit with Jericho making the save (after a guy got hit full force with a bell). Wardlow needs to break away soon and put Shawn Spears through the ring. Another six man tag to close the show... I have never worked out in my life and I genuinely have about as good of a physique as Chuck Taylor, and as bad of a haircut. First I've seen of O'Reilly. He's good. I've loved Fish for the most part even though he's lost pretty much every match until now. Maybe they explained it but Fish and O'Reilly are collectively called Red Dragon-is this from WWE/NXT? Man, if they wanted to do great tag wrestling they have great talent. Instead it's always overbooked, interference, no rules, everyone getting to do a finisher one after another after another. I hate it. The six man last week with Sting, Punk, MJF, etc. Is the only decent tag match I've seen in months in AEW. Lastly, and should have been the first thing I wrote, good to see Jim Ross healthy enough to return. Last edited on Thu Dec 30th, 2021 01:25 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Dec 30th, 2021 05:30 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2108th Post Married Jo Joined: Fri Dec 21st, 2007 Location: Hickory NC Posts: 7327 Status: Offline Mana: I was over at my fiancés house watching it, the sound was off, her SIL and a friend of ours were there watching it with me (along with her 10 year old granddaughter who loves AJ Styles and knows wrestling). When they did that reveal at the end of the women's match, all of us, including me, just thought "Damn, Cyborg just signed with AEW"...I had no idea until this morning that that wasn't Cyborg lol.. ____________________ Well, Im of the opinion that one wouldnt actually have to eat the corn out of Chynas shit to know that nothing good could come of it. - Portalesman Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Dec 30th, 2021 05:44 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2109th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Not a good show but the women's match was good. I don't have a clue who the person who came out for the finish is but I guess she is a big deal that everyone else knows. Skipped the ten man tag because it is a ten man tag. The six man that followed it was better but more bullshit with Jericho making the save (after a guy got hit full force with a bell). Wardlow needs to break away soon and put Shawn Spears through the ring. Another six man tag to close the show... I have never worked out in my life and I genuinely have about as good of a physique as Chuck Taylor, and as bad of a haircut. First I've seen of O'Reilly. He's good. I've loved Fish for the most part even though he's lost pretty much every match until now. Maybe they explained it but Fish and O'Reilly are collectively called Red Dragon-is this from WWE/NXT? Man, if they wanted to do great tag wrestling they have great talent. Instead it's always overbooked, interference, no rules, everyone getting to do a finisher one after another after another. I hate it. The six man last week with Sting, Punk, MJF, etc. Is the only decent tag match I've seen in months in AEW. Lastly, and should have been the first thing I wrote, good to see Jim Ross healthy enough to return. Mercedes Martinez is considered the best women's indy wrestler of the last 20 years, and she finally got an NXT run before being released. ReDragon was their tag team name from ROH and NJPW. They never used it in NXT. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Dec 30th, 2021 06:18 pm PM Quote Reply 2110th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: One day Jim will say that something is okay, neither good nor bad. I wait for that day. I get if you don't enjoy multi-man matches or spot-fests then it can be hard to enjoy a whole Dynamite, but I don't see them changing any time soon. Here's my take. I watch all four shows every week and I enjoy them all for what they are. The main thing is it is clear that the shows are being made to be enjoyed the fans, and the wrestlers are having a hell of a lot of fun. Every show flys by for me, even the overly long episodes of Dark. Give me a missed spot or one kick out too many over people being pied in the face or covered in goop any day of the week. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Dec 30th, 2021 10:44 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2111th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote Mercedes Martinez is considered the best women's indy wrestler of the last 20 years, and she finally got an NXT run before being released. ReDragon was their tag team name from ROH and NJPW. They never used it in NXT. Thanks. I have barely watched wrestling in the last 15-20 years. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Dec 30th, 2021 10:45 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2112th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: One day Jim will say that something is okay, neither good nor bad. I wait for that day. I get if you don't enjoy multi-man matches or spot-fests then it can be hard to enjoy a whole Dynamite, but I don't see them changing any time soon. Here's my take. I watch all four shows every week and I enjoy them all for what they are. The main thing is it is clear that the shows are being made to be enjoyed the fans, and the wrestlers are having a hell of a lot of fun. Every show flys by for me, even the overly long episodes of Dark. Give me a missed spot or one kick out too many over people being pied in the face or covered in goop any day of the week. The six man tag after the ten man tag was OK. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jan 1st, 2022 04:53 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2113th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: It took until NYE for things to get interesting, but Big Swole has accused AEW of not being diverse enough, and Tony Khan fired back hard. “The top 2 @aew execs are brown (me & Megha)!! Jade, Bowens, Caster, Dante, Nyla, Isiah & Marq Quen all won on tv this month. The TBS Title Tournament has been very diverse. I let Swole’s contract expire as I felt her wrestling wasn’t good enough. #AEWRampage Street Fight TONIGHT!” ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jan 1st, 2022 08:54 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2114th Post krazykid18 The Prophet Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: It took until NYE for things to get interesting, but Big Swole has accused AEW of not being diverse enough, and Tony Khan fired back hard. “The top 2 @aew execs are brown (me & Megha)!! Jade, Bowens, Caster, Dante, Nyla, Isiah & Marq Quen all won on tv this month. The TBS Title Tournament has been very diverse. I let Swole’s contract expire as I felt her wrestling wasn’t good enough. #AEWRampage Street Fight TONIGHT!”T Tony Khan needs a PR person he just gave this story a five alarm fire when it was just a match One thing for sure is Jade Cargill about to be the TBS champion LMAO Last edited on Sat Jan 1st, 2022 08:57 am by krazykid18 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jan 1st, 2022 08:56 am PM Quote Reply 2115th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: It took until NYE for things to get interesting, but Big Swole has accused AEW of not being diverse enough, and Tony Khan fired back hard. “The top 2 @aew execs are brown (me & Megha)!! Jade, Bowens, Caster, Dante, Nyla, Isiah & Marq Quen all won on tv this month. The TBS Title Tournament has been very diverse. I let Swole’s contract expire as I felt her wrestling wasn’t good enough. #AEWRampage Street Fight TONIGHT!” AEW are easy to criticise for their men's main event level being all white guys and only having one women's match on Dynamite every week (rumoured to be a TNT edict). I completely agree that only having one women's match on Dynamite is a problem, especially right now when they have a lot going on in the women's division. The only woman they really promote as a star is Britt Baker, while WWE have four or five women at the main event level. The men's main event deal... AEW could look bad to some, seeing that the WWE main event tier has Big E, Bobby Lashley and Roman Reigns right at the top of the company right now. I don't think that AEW is deliberately holding people of color back though, they are just working with what they have. For the optics, though, they should probably sign Keith Lee and push him to the top of the card, also because he isn't getting any younger. I'm not sure how much that impacted Big Swole's lack of a push, though. For me, she was given shots, and she never got over. Khan says her wrestling wasn't good enough, well, she even admits to this (although she maybe doesn't realise it) in her podcast rant: "There’s no writers in a sense. Not everyone is comfortable writing their own things. Closed mouths don’t get fed. That’s exactly what that environment is. If you are shy and don’t know how to write or are not creative, it’s not going to work unless they want it to work for you." She says it right there that she has no idea how to get herself over. Also, WWE have a million writers and couldn't get her husband over, so she should be able to see this from both sides. Not everyone has it in them to move to the next level. This all came on the third episode of her podcast. Nothing from the first two was apparently interesting enough to gain any traction, so was this a way to get more ears to her podcast? ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jan 1st, 2022 09:56 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2116th Post kargol Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: Swole has a chip on her shoulder though - there was some stupid twitter dispute with a wrestler, can't remember whom, but someone said that her hair was nowhere near Bianca Belair's quality and she replied "at least it's real". And Swole went off on one about how it's racist to point out that Belair has extensions because black. ____________________ superfunkymean Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jan 1st, 2022 01:09 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2117th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Last night's show was decent again. Three matches, Darby Allin v Bowens was good. The women's match was unlike any other women's match I've seen. I'm not crazy about these types of match but I did get into it. Cody v Ethan Page was pretty good too. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jan 1st, 2022 06:29 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2118th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Powerhouse Hobbs has come to AEW’s defense from the talent side and Sean Dean from the agents side. Both are black men who feel like they’ve been given lots of opportunities and the company has been good to them. For those that don’t know him, Dean was/is an indy wrestler who is in charge of booking enhancement talent and helps run Dark and Elevation, so it’s a nice gig for an indy guy. PWInsider says they Swole’s main issue, if you listen to the podcast, seems to be that Kenny Omega was helping book the women’s division and as the company’s top star, he simply didn’t have time to do it properly. And then he left to heal up. So if that’s true it’s a legitimate gripe and AEW really just needs to hire someone retired or a part-time veteran to take over that role. Ironically, Omega lobbied for this role because of his passion for promoting women’s wrestling, but he probably not off more than he could chew. The “diversity” part seems like a stupid thing to throw in to get attention, and that’s what everyone is now focusing on. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jan 1st, 2022 06:40 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2119th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Sammy Guevara and Tay Conti posted a NYE pic of them kissing, so they have finally come clean publicly that they are together. Last month Guevara announced that he and his high school girlfriend, who got publicly engaged on-air earlier in the year, had broken up. Conti also broke up with her man around the same time, and she started getting bullied online for being a home-wrecker to the point that she quit Twitter. They denied that they were having an affair, but now they’re publicly together. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Jan 2nd, 2022 12:49 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2120th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: The last Rampage of the year last night was really one of the best top to bottom. That women’s tag street fight was killer. For the first time on national TV, The Bunny (Cherry Bomb) got to show what she could do, and it was easily the best match Tay Conti, Anna Jay, or Penelope Ford ever had. That match could’ve been a disaster with only one veteran in it, but they pulled it off spectacularly. Bunny screaming while wearing the crimson mask should be a shot used a lot in the future. That was bookended by really solid matches of Darby vs. Bowens and Cody vs. Ethan Page. I enjoyed them a lot. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Jan 2nd, 2022 01:52 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2121st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Lio Rush (of course) has taken offense at Tony Khan’s tweet about Swole and said he’s “pissed” and demanded he apologize. Rush is of course a mentally ill basket case who never should’ve been hired in the first place, and needs to be fired immediately but AEW is backed into a corner and it would look horrible if they did that. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Jan 2nd, 2022 11:08 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2122nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Lio Rush (of course) has taken offense at Tony Khan’s tweet about Swole and said he’s “pissed” and demanded he apologize. Rush is of course a mentally ill basket case who never should’ve been hired in the first place, and needs to be fired immediately but AEW is backed into a corner and it would look horrible if they did that. Lio Rush's latest tweet: "I want this to be clear.. I do not consider this to be a diversity issue, and I at no point have thought or said that AEW or Tony is racist. We can all clearly see that wrestling as a whole and the AEW roster is perpetually diverse. The issue at hand was a racial insensitivity issue. Having spoken to Tony and Megah, we have discussed the endeavors to further understand the struggles of the black community. I am grateful to be able to understand more about Tony and Megah's own ethnic backgrounds and glad that they are actively seeking input from an African American perspective. I am proud to work for a boss and company that try to make these strides in social equality. I look forward to working with Tony to keep making steps towards positive change. I pray that 2022 is a year of positive change in all aspects. Happy New Year. and GOD BLESS." Imagine being a billionaire and actually having to try to have a rational conversation with a deranged uneducated midget about racial insensitivity in wrestling, knowing he'll probably just forgot everything that was said in 3 days anyway and shout a bunch of nonsense while threatening suicide. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Jan 2nd, 2022 11:15 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2123rd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Tony Khan is an idiot for entertaining this guy. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Jan 2nd, 2022 11:41 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2124th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: He should have never signed him in the first place, and especially not again after he “retired” over the summer. ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Jan 3rd, 2022 02:09 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2125th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Yes, the guy is nothing but trouble in that respect. Pity cos he's very good. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Jan 4th, 2022 09:59 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2126th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Jake Atlas was signed today after passing his “tryout match”. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2022 05:59 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2127th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Anthony Bowens of The Acclaimed has become an overnight celebrity after a picture of him kissing his boyfriend in front of an anti-gay protest went viral. There are signs in the background of “Homos Go To Hell” and “Trump, Make America Great Again: Ban Homo Marriage”. The picture first went viral on Reddit and then spread from there. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2022 01:51 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2128th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Won't do him any harm, will it? He looks a very good prospect too, based in what I saw of him last week. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2022 05:10 pm PM Quote Reply 2129th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Any predictions for the judges tonight? My guess is Arn, Tully and Ric Flair. Then redo the ending of WrestleWar 89 with Andrade. Last edited on Wed Jan 5th, 2022 05:11 pm by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 02:20 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2130th Post Quattro Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: Posts: 4476 Status: Offline Mana: That is bright blood Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 02:44 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2131st Post Principal_Raditch Joined: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 Location: Posts: 8144 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/11.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu11')">Quattroa> wrote: That is bright blood Danielson's looked much better than Page's Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 02:51 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2132nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Another incredible promo exchange by Punk and MJF, although people are going to take things too seriously and bitch that they keep talking about WWE. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 03:43 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2133rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Thanks to Big Swole, Jade Cargill is your first TBS champion. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 03:58 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2134th Post Quattro Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: Posts: 4476 Status: Offline Mana: That dude broke arm bad Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 04:02 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2135th Post Quattro Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: Posts: 4476 Status: Offline Mana: I hope he’s ok. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 04:27 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2136th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: That was a nasty fall. ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 05:15 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2137th Post Angelic Assassin Joined: Mon Dec 27th, 2010 Location: Home Of The Redskins, You Candy Asses. , Washington USA Posts: 10482 Status: Offline Mana: Sid broken ankle level bad. Ouch. <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/v//yfxAWGERz4g" TARGET="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v//yfxAWGERz4gA> Last edited on Thu Jan 6th, 2022 05:16 am by Angelic Assassin ____________________ This thread was great till Rossi posted that AA ruined it. Rossi=The Mouth That Bored Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 05:19 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2138th Post Quattro Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: Posts: 4476 Status: Offline Mana: That is the kind where you worry about artery damage the way it broke. Like Bridgewaters leg Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 02:38 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2139th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Fenix seems to have gotten off easy with only a dislocated elbow, although the full extent of the injury isn’t known yet. He was taken to the hospital via ambulance right after the match. Newest signee Jake Atlas blew out his knee in match against Adam Cole that was scheduled to air on Rampage, and was last seen on crutches. It’s unknown the extent of his injury too. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 03:37 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2140th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Thanks to Big Swole, Jade Cargill is your first TBS champion. If you didn't see this coming long before Big Swole, you aren't thinking clearly. They gave her Shaq as a tag partner in probably the most 'mainstream' of any AEW match. It was talked about everywhere for a couple of days. The minute she got in the ring for the first time I figured they were going to push her to face Shida, but then Britt Baker got over huge during the feud with the girl that has half of her face painted and just can't think of her name yet this morning. So I've been thinking this will be a slow burn to match up Baker with Cargill sometime around one of their signature shows All In or All Out - whichever one comes at the end of the summer. If the girl keeps having interest in wrestling, and stays with AEW, Cargill is going to be their chosen one five years down the road and by that point she will have gone to war with Britt Baker over months if not years, and probably one of the higher level WWE females that will end up leaving before too long. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 03:43 pm PM Quote Reply 2141st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Any predictions for the judges tonight? My guess is Arn, Tully and Ric Flair. Then redo the ending of WrestleWar 89 with Andrade. Nailed it. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 04:43 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2142nd Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Any predictions for the judges tonight? My guess is Arn, Tully and Ric Flair. Then redo the ending of WrestleWar 89 with Andrade. Nailed it. I’m impressed 😂 ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 05:46 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2143rd Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: I can't sit here and say Danielson is the best wrestler in the world anymore, at one time he was and he may still be, but when you put him in the ring with Hangman Page, he makes Page look like a million bucks every time. So when you talk about the best wrestlers in the world, and Kenny Omega has been mentioned that way for a few years, just remember that it takes two to tango and I can't remember the last time Omega made his opponent look as good or better than he makes himself look in a match. Not a knock on Kenny as much as it's a pat on the back for Danielson...take it for what it's worth. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 06:04 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2144th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: I liked the post-match stuff at the show's end. Having 6-8 teams come out and stare down Luchasaurus and Jungle Boy didn't seem like a personal issue with any of them; the focus was that new champions created opportunities going forward, especially since it removed Fenix and Penta as obstacles due to injury, which wasn't expected but creates an extra layer of intrigue. I liken it to a combination of the old Dick Tracy cartoon where they showed the Top Ten Most Wanted Criminals list. Individually some of these teams could be taken lightly, but as a force en masse the crowd gets a chance to visualize not only the next title contenders, but potential matchups between these factions. There surely is a hierarchy there that won't change but if the visual helps the viewer see the talent together, it gives the vibe that whatever gets booked going forward reflects what the crowd has entertained in their mind already. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 07:48 pm PM Quote Reply 2145th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: After the various wrestling "journalists" made up stories or spoken to their sources who weren't doctors, trying to right by guessing whether or not Rey Fenix had broken his arm or not, it seems that Fenix only suffered a dislocation. I'm not a doctor, but it seems this is good news, since he will probably be back a lot sooner, but not fantastic news, since once dislocated, it's far easier to dislocate again. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 08:56 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2146th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Another incredible promo exchange by Punk and MJF, although people are going to take things too seriously and bitch that they keep talking about WWE. Friggin great. My only problem with it was the set up. There's NEVER disqualifications in AEW. Aside from that, tremendous stuff. The Danielson-Page match was very good again. Didn't top the first one and a little quick to cut away to other shit after the end of the match. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 09:40 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2147th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Thanks to Big Swole, Jade Cargill is your first TBS champion. Bad match. Jade is really not good, aside from the look. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 09:43 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2148th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: I can't sit here and say Danielson is the best wrestler in the world anymore, at one time he was and he may still be I agree with everything you said and I think, right now included, Danielson is one of the best I've ever seen. His work in AEW has been outstanding. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 09:58 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2149th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Thanks to Big Swole, Jade Cargill is your first TBS champion. Bad match. Jade is really not good, aside from the look. This girl has had what, two dozen matches inside the ring ever? Agree with what you say about her look. The fact that she's 'homegrown talent' is why she will continue to be pushed. And the more that she works the better she will get. She needs like 100 matches with no cameras on so that she can be fluid. Right now she paces a match like she's Harley Race or HHH. Plodding and slow, then give you a power move. Ok, we know that she's strong, but just like 30 seconds of chain wrestling would go so far with Jade Cargill. Get used to her, because unless she gets tired of this or runs her mouth, she will be at the top of the AEW Woman's Division for as long as she's there. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 10:03 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2150th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I saw her a few times before but they were closer to squash matches. This was when she looked most exposed. And you may be right that she will get better, it's just sort of backwards putting her in a top role when she's so bad. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 10:04 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2151st Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Other thoughts on the show... I skipped the Jericho part. I watched the tag match and did not like it at all. Also, and I know I've mentioned this before, but the referees in AEW are incredibly distracting to me. The guy reffing world title match is good. Aubrey is not good and is always making weird movements and swivelling around awkwardly with her feet planted. That Bruce (?) guy is fuckin atrocious. Last edited on Thu Jan 6th, 2022 10:07 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 10:08 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2152nd Post WongLee HALL OF FAMER Joined: Fri Oct 19th, 2007 Location: East Patchogue, New York USA Posts: 8988 Status: Offline Mana: I have never seen an AEW match. I saw some guys in Reddit raving about the Danson Bryaniel/Hangman Page match. I checked it out on YouTube and couldn't believe what I saw. A double juice match on TV over 35 minutes long??!!?? The arena seemed to be packed also. I think I got my answer about why MSG wasn't close to being filled up for the WWE House show last month. Are they still using Orange Cassidy? I may have to start watching this stuff. ____________________ ...quite frankly, who the fuck is Ad Santel? - srossi. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 10:12 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2153rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/54.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu54')">WongLeea> wrote: I have never seen an AEW match. I saw some guys in Reddit raving about the Danson Bryaniel/Hangman Page match. I checked it out on YouTube and couldn't believe what I saw. A double juice match on TV over 35 minutes long??!!?? The arena seemed to be packed also. I think I got my answer about why MSG wasn't close to being filled up for the WWE House show last month. Are they still using Orange Cassidy? I may have to start watching this stuff. Orange is still around. People bitched when they overused him at the beginning, now they bitch that they rolled him back a little bit. He's best in smaller doses, and they seem to realize that. But AEW rotates almost everyone in and out of prominent spots, so they do a good job of not overexposing anyone, except maybe Punk since he's arrived. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 10:13 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2154th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Orange Cassidy is one of the more over guys there. If you thought that match was good check out their first one. The shows are hit and miss after a run of mostly really good shows. But there's usually something very good. And their last few PPVs have been GREAT. Last edited on Thu Jan 6th, 2022 10:13 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 10:17 pm PM Quote Reply 2155th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Orange Cassidy is one of the more over guys there. If you thought that match was good check out their first one. The shows are hit and miss after a run of mostly really good shows. But there's usually something very good. And their last few PPVs have been GREAT. Dude... the worst episode of Dynamite is still 6/10. Most weeks the show is very good, and sometimes it's great. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 10:19 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2156th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Orange Cassidy is one of the more over guys there. If you thought that match was good check out their first one. The shows are hit and miss after a run of mostly really good shows. But there's usually something very good. And their last few PPVs have been GREAT. If you just watched every NXT Takeover (pre 2.0) and every AEW PPV, with no other knowledge of recent wrestling, I can't imagine anyone not saying that the last decade is by far the greatest era of wrestling in its 100+ year history. Nothing else could even compare when it comes to match quality. The shows are almost all perfect, and the psychology used in NXT Takeover rematches and trilogies in particular are just amazing, and AEW is pretty good at that too. It's everything else that has sucked so bad that it makes this era seem awful. I would recommend to Wong or anyone else that is a lapsed fan to forget everything else and just chronologically go through these shows. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 10:21 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2157th Post WongLee HALL OF FAMER Joined: Fri Oct 19th, 2007 Location: East Patchogue, New York USA Posts: 8988 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Orange Cassidy is one of the more over guys there. If you thought that match was good check out their first one. The shows are hit and miss after a run of mostly really good shows. But there's usually something very good. And their last few PPVs have been GREAT. I'm mostly shocked at the double juice. Daniel did a blade job Eddie Guerrero would have been proud of. Do they do this often? Are PPV's especially violent? What Rossi said about Cassidy makes perfect sense. He's the kind of guy that is incredible but in smaller doses. ____________________ ...quite frankly, who the fuck is Ad Santel? - srossi. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 10:23 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2158th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/54.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu54')">WongLeea> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Orange Cassidy is one of the more over guys there. If you thought that match was good check out their first one. The shows are hit and miss after a run of mostly really good shows. But there's usually something very good. And their last few PPVs have been GREAT. I'm mostly shocked at the double juice. Daniel did a blade job Eddie Guerrero would have been proud of. Do they do this often? Are PPV's especially violent? What Rossi said about Cassidy makes perfect sense. He's the kind of guy that is incredible but in smaller doses. AEW uses blood a lot. The PPVs are filled with them, and a handful of death matches that would make CZW proud. So yes, they can be violent, but it's usually one or two matches on a 4-hour show. And the biggest problem with Orange was when he was in a semi-main event feud with Jericho, and then beat him in it. I think even big fans of his didn't like that. It was too much. It reminded me of Paul Heyman's biggest regret in booking ECW: putting the belt on Mikey Whipwreck. Everyone liked the character until then, but it was too much. Orange as a mid-carder who does his schtick but occasionally gets fired up is perfect, and they don't need to do more than that to keep him over for a long time. And his interaction with Sting, when they both did the slow motion kicks to each other that couldn't break an egg, gave Jim Cornette a stroke but was one of my favorite AEW moments of 2021. Used in the right spot against the right guy, he's gold. But note that spot wasn't in a match between the two, and no one wants to see Orange actually beat Sting (I don't think). Sting playing along with that nonsense was a hell of a moment though, and didn't make it as hard to suspend disbelief because Sting wasn't trying to "win" anything. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 10:44 pm PM Quote Reply 2159th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Sting doing the tiny chest-beating with Orange was classic. Right up there with Matt Lee not believing that Sting was the real Sting, then Darby Allin hits him with a dive. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2022 11:45 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2160th Post kargol Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: It's almost perfect booking with Orange Cassidy. They know his non-kicks and so on work before a smark audience that is genre-savvy. I.e. in front of 37 delirious fans in a school gym. It doesn't work on the national stage because, if he tried that with (say) Wardlow in a genuine match, Wardlow kills him. So they ration that out and in the big matches present Orange Cassidy the Wrestler. AEW generally is straight from the Heyman Book of Booking. You take what makes someone special and you book to that. So you book Wardlow as a monster and you book Cargill as a powerhouse and you book Stunt as a lawn dart who always loses singles matches. Heyman had a smark audience in ECW and got 911 over for just chokeslamming people. The ECW audience didn't notice that their Malenkoist smarkiness should have shat all over 911 because Heyman misdirected them. It was brilliant thinking and 911 never got over anywhere else because they booked him to do other stuff. Now maybe they would have got bored with 911 if ECW had gone on longer - but Heyman is smart enough to have thought of something else. ____________________ superfunkymean Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 12:10 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2161st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/46.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu46')">kargola> wrote: It's almost perfect booking with Orange Cassidy. They know his non-kicks and so on work before a smark audience that is genre-savvy. I.e. in front of 37 delirious fans in a school gym. It doesn't work on the national stage because, if he tried that with (say) Wardlow in a genuine match, Wardlow kills him. So they ration that out and in the big matches present Orange Cassidy the Wrestler. AEW generally is straight from the Heyman Book of Booking. You take what makes someone special and you book to that. So you book Wardlow as a monster and you book Cargill as a powerhouse and you book Stunt as a lawn dart who always loses singles matches. Heyman had a smark audience in ECW and got 911 over for just chokeslamming people. The ECW audience didn't notice that their Malenkoist smarkiness should have shat all over 911 because Heyman misdirected them. It was brilliant thinking and 911 never got over anywhere else because they booked him to do other stuff. Now maybe they would have got bored with 911 if ECW had gone on longer - but Heyman is smart enough to have thought of something else. I always said 911 was Heyman's greatest creation. To get someone over with that little talent in front of that audience, I never would've guessed it could be done. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 12:30 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2162nd Post WongLee HALL OF FAMER Joined: Fri Oct 19th, 2007 Location: East Patchogue, New York USA Posts: 8988 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/54.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu54')">WongLeea> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Orange Cassidy is one of the more over guys there. If you thought that match was good check out their first one. The shows are hit and miss after a run of mostly really good shows. But there's usually something very good. And their last few PPVs have been GREAT. I'm mostly shocked at the double juice. Daniel did a blade job Eddie Guerrero would have been proud of. Do they do this often? Are PPV's especially violent? What Rossi said about Cassidy makes perfect sense. He's the kind of guy that is incredible but in smaller doses. AEW uses blood a lot. The PPVs are filled with them, and a handful of death matches that would make CZW proud. So yes, they can be violent, but it's usually one or two matches on a 4-hour show. And the biggest problem with Orange was when he was in a semi-main event feud with Jericho, and then beat him in it. I think even big fans of his didn't like that. It was too much. It reminded me of Paul Heyman's biggest regret in booking ECW: putting the belt on Mikey Whipwreck. Everyone liked the character until then, but it was too much. Orange as a mid-carder who does his schtick but occasionally gets fired up is perfect, and they don't need to do more than that to keep him over for a long time. And his interaction with Sting, when they both did the slow motion kicks to each other that couldn't break an egg, gave Jim Cornette a stroke but was one of my favorite AEW moments of 2021. Used in the right spot against the right guy, he's gold. But note that spot wasn't in a match between the two, and no one wants to see Orange actually beat Sting (I don't think). Sting playing along with that nonsense was a hell of a moment though, and didn't make it as hard to suspend disbelief because Sting wasn't trying to "win" anything. Great analysis. As far as the blood goes, I wouldn't want to see it on more than one or two matches. I'm very pro-blood. A throwback to the era I grew up in when I first started watching wrestling. However, when used wisely, it turns a good match into a Homeric masterpiece. I agree also about Orange Cassidy. He's almost a throwback to midget wrestling. When you use him sparingly and in the right place on the card, he can be golden. It's easy to see how his schtick could be drilled into the ground. Can you imagine what Vince would have done to him? ____________________ ...quite frankly, who the fuck is Ad Santel? - srossi. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 01:04 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2163rd Post kargol Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: We don't need to imagine. We saw it with Zach Gowen. ____________________ superfunkymean Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 01:21 am Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2164th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/54.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu54')">WongLeea> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/54.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu54')">WongLeea> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Orange Cassidy is one of the more over guys there. If you thought that match was good check out their first one. The shows are hit and miss after a run of mostly really good shows. But there's usually something very good. And their last few PPVs have been GREAT. I'm mostly shocked at the double juice. Daniel did a blade job Eddie Guerrero would have been proud of. Do they do this often? Are PPV's especially violent? What Rossi said about Cassidy makes perfect sense. He's the kind of guy that is incredible but in smaller doses. AEW uses blood a lot. The PPVs are filled with them, and a handful of death matches that would make CZW proud. So yes, they can be violent, but it's usually one or two matches on a 4-hour show. And the biggest problem with Orange was when he was in a semi-main event feud with Jericho, and then beat him in it. I think even big fans of his didn't like that. It was too much. It reminded me of Paul Heyman's biggest regret in booking ECW: putting the belt on Mikey Whipwreck. Everyone liked the character until then, but it was too much. Orange as a mid-carder who does his schtick but occasionally gets fired up is perfect, and they don't need to do more than that to keep him over for a long time. And his interaction with Sting, when they both did the slow motion kicks to each other that couldn't break an egg, gave Jim Cornette a stroke but was one of my favorite AEW moments of 2021. Used in the right spot against the right guy, he's gold. But note that spot wasn't in a match between the two, and no one wants to see Orange actually beat Sting (I don't think). Sting playing along with that nonsense was a hell of a moment though, and didn't make it as hard to suspend disbelief because Sting wasn't trying to "win" anything. Great analysis. As far as the blood goes, I wouldn't want to see it on more than one or two matches. I'm very pro-blood. A throwback to the era I grew up in when I first started watching wrestling. However, when used wisely, it turns a good match into a Homeric masterpiece. I agree also about Orange Cassidy. He's almost a throwback to midget wrestling. When you use him sparingly and in the right place on the card, he can be golden. It's easy to see how his schtick could be drilled into the ground. Can you imagine what Vince would have done to him? They have had some good blood and some bad blood. I’m not into watching the girls juice, but damn it will draw you in if you are following the match. Go on YouTube and find Britt Baker vs Thunder Rosa, and from a week ago find Tay Conti and her partner who’s name is missing me right now vs The Bunny and Penelope Ford. Double Juice in a ladies match! ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 01:24 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2165th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/46.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu46')">kargola> wrote: We don't need to imagine. We saw it with Zach Gowen. At least Tony Khan didn’t sign the wrong guy who puts his hands in his pockets. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 01:26 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2166th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/54.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu54')">WongLeea> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/54.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu54')">WongLeea> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Orange Cassidy is one of the more over guys there. If you thought that match was good check out their first one. The shows are hit and miss after a run of mostly really good shows. But there's usually something very good. And their last few PPVs have been GREAT. I'm mostly shocked at the double juice. Daniel did a blade job Eddie Guerrero would have been proud of. Do they do this often? Are PPV's especially violent? What Rossi said about Cassidy makes perfect sense. He's the kind of guy that is incredible but in smaller doses. AEW uses blood a lot. The PPVs are filled with them, and a handful of death matches that would make CZW proud. So yes, they can be violent, but it's usually one or two matches on a 4-hour show. And the biggest problem with Orange was when he was in a semi-main event feud with Jericho, and then beat him in it. I think even big fans of his didn't like that. It was too much. It reminded me of Paul Heyman's biggest regret in booking ECW: putting the belt on Mikey Whipwreck. Everyone liked the character until then, but it was too much. Orange as a mid-carder who does his schtick but occasionally gets fired up is perfect, and they don't need to do more than that to keep him over for a long time. And his interaction with Sting, when they both did the slow motion kicks to each other that couldn't break an egg, gave Jim Cornette a stroke but was one of my favorite AEW moments of 2021. Used in the right spot against the right guy, he's gold. But note that spot wasn't in a match between the two, and no one wants to see Orange actually beat Sting (I don't think). Sting playing along with that nonsense was a hell of a moment though, and didn't make it as hard to suspend disbelief because Sting wasn't trying to "win" anything. Great analysis. As far as the blood goes, I wouldn't want to see it on more than one or two matches. I'm very pro-blood. A throwback to the era I grew up in when I first started watching wrestling. However, when used wisely, it turns a good match into a Homeric masterpiece. I agree also about Orange Cassidy. He's almost a throwback to midget wrestling. When you use him sparingly and in the right place on the card, he can be golden. It's easy to see how his schtick could be drilled into the ground. Can you imagine what Vince would have done to him? They have had some good blood and some bad blood. I’m not into watching the girls juice, but damn it will draw you in if you are following the match. Go on YouTube and find Britt Baker vs Thunder Rosa, and from a week ago find Tay Conti and her partner who’s name is missing me right now vs The Bunny and Penelope Ford. Double Juice in a ladies match! They also have a lot of hardway blood, especially on PPV. It happens when wrestlers are actually wrestling and going hard, which is why you don’t see it as often in WWE. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 01:34 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2167th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Cody to Fightful about how he now hates everything about his angle with Ogogo: “I can, on record, just go ahead and say I regret almost everything about the Anthony Ogogo angle. Almost everything about it. I'm good now and comfortable now. Anthony is a former Olympian, he's definitely someone who's a developmental talent who's going to be -- We're training him and we recruited him and we're bringing him up through the ranks. What ultimately -- I've never gone on record saying this, but this is the perfect time. I stood by what I said in the promo. I stood by it because I thought the content was good and I thought the intentions were good. However, a white guy talking about race relations, who has an American flag tattoo on his neck, I can see why people would use the terms 'tone-deaf' when it came to that. Then trying to defend it and all -- Just again, intentions were good and sincere and I was so excited about Brandi and the baby but it just -- That should have just been one where I went out and almost just winged it. "Everything in wrestling I work really, really, really hard on. So you hear about Randy Savage, how he is about his matches and his promos -- There are wrestlers who tend to be more like Randy in terms of their preparation, and then there are wrestlers who are more like my dad who are just cutting a promo on the produce at the grocery store and it's better than most stuff you'll hear on television. I tend to be more of the big-time thinker, planner, workshop, all that stuff, and I worked on that one really hard. That's what made it even more like, 'Damn, every now and then you're going to come up to the plate and strike out.' I overplanned it and struck out. Although I stand by it. I don't have any problem with the content, but once that had happened, it set the angle in a way that Anthony, as far as wrestling age is concerned, he's like 18, he's a baby. He doesn't know what's going on. It set the angle in a tailspin where it just wasn't a classic, USA vs. UK, fun-spirited deal. I was going to go over to the UK and have the return match. Now I just never want to think about it again.” For those that don’t watch the Rhodes reality show (which should be everyone), the infamous promo was the subject of one episode. The backstage reaction mid-promo by Tony Khan, Brandi, Dustin, and all the agents was one of absolute horror. Cody never told anyone what he was going to say ahead of time, but was teasing all day how good this promo was going to be. Then there was the pitiful follow-up with the weigh-in segment with The Big Show hosting where the scale wasn’t working where again they showed backstage reactions and Khan and Brandi were literally shouting to cut the segment short and just end it, but they couldn’t get anyone’s attention. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 01:50 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2168th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: The debut of Dynamite on TBS topped 1 million viewers, which is a huge win for the company. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 01:58 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2169th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Another incredible promo exchange by Punk and MJF, although people are going to take things too seriously and bitch that they keep talking about WWE. Friggin great. My only problem with it was the set up. There's NEVER disqualifications in AEW. Aside from that, tremendous stuff. Good call. Tony Khan tweeted today that Shawn Dean became the 1st wrestler in 140 episodes of AEW TV (118 Dynamite and 22 Rampage) to ever win a match by DQ. He tagged MJF in the tweet, who replied "Don't tag me in this shit". ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 11:18 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2170th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: It's a bugbear of mine Last edited on Fri Jan 7th, 2022 11:18 am by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 12:48 pm PM Quote Reply 2171st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: AEW has had two disqualifications since their inception (before the one on Wednesday). When PAC and Kenny Omega had their 30 minute Iron Man Match, PAC lost the first fall via a disqualification. When Brandon Cutler and Peter Avalon were having their feud over who would end their losing streak first, their first match ended in a double-count out, and their second in a double-disqualification. The fact that they use disqualifications so infrequently made this one mean something. It's not like the AEW "rules" don't allow for DQ finishes, they just don't book them. It's also a good use of the win-loss record gimmick. Last edited on Fri Jan 7th, 2022 12:55 pm by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 12:54 pm PM Quote Reply 2172nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I went back and watches the first AEW PPVs during the holidays. It was interesting to see how the product has developed in the past two years or so. The commentary is awful for those PPVs. Excalibur was very nervous, especially during the first show. Alex Marvez and Golden Boy are just shit, especially Marvez. JR was pretty much just phoning it in until AEW got its guaranteed deal with TNT and he realised that he actually has a proper job until he decides to hand up his hat. For anyone who complains about the spot-fests on Dynamite today... some of the matches from those early shows were straight out of PWG with no filter. Anyway, to get to my point... Orange Cassidy. On the indies, before AEW, those slow motion kicks were sold by his opponents. Tony Khan has said that he wanted to tweak the Orange Cassidy character, but no one told Excalibur. So while Tommy Dreamer is no-selling Cassidy's offence in the battle royal on the first show, Excalibur is telling us how devastating the moves are and that Dreamer might have a broken leg. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 04:22 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2173rd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: AEW has had two disqualifications since their inception (before the one on Wednesday). When PAC and Kenny Omega had their 30 minute Iron Man Match, PAC lost the first fall via a disqualification. When Brandon Cutler and Peter Avalon were having their feud over who would end their losing streak first, their first match ended in a double-count out, and their second in a double-disqualification. The fact that they use disqualifications so infrequently made this one mean something. It's not like the AEW "rules" don't allow for DQ finishes, they just don't book them. It's also a good use of the win-loss record gimmick. I disagree 100%. It draws attention to how inconsistent they are with the rules, and how they don't enforce any rules most of the time, particularly in tag team matches, six-man matches, etc. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 04:27 pm PM Quote Reply 2174th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: AEW has had two disqualifications since their inception (before the one on Wednesday). When PAC and Kenny Omega had their 30 minute Iron Man Match, PAC lost the first fall via a disqualification. When Brandon Cutler and Peter Avalon were having their feud over who would end their losing streak first, their first match ended in a double-count out, and their second in a double-disqualification. The fact that they use disqualifications so infrequently made this one mean something. It's not like the AEW "rules" don't allow for DQ finishes, they just don't book them. It's also a good use of the win-loss record gimmick. I disagree 100%. It draws attention to how inconsistent they are with the rules, and how they don't enforce any rules most of the time, particularly in tag team matches, six-man matches, etc. Watch Raw if you like DQs so much. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 04:36 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2175th Post broke Joined: Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 Location: Bolton, ON Posts: 3451 Status: Offline Mana: All I know is the constant kickouts on big moves must be driving jdw and BostonIdol nuts ____________________ Comic Saaaaaannnsss Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 04:41 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2176th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: AEW has had two disqualifications since their inception (before the one on Wednesday). When PAC and Kenny Omega had their 30 minute Iron Man Match, PAC lost the first fall via a disqualification. When Brandon Cutler and Peter Avalon were having their feud over who would end their losing streak first, their first match ended in a double-count out, and their second in a double-disqualification. The fact that they use disqualifications so infrequently made this one mean something. It's not like the AEW "rules" don't allow for DQ finishes, they just don't book them. It's also a good use of the win-loss record gimmick. I disagree 100%. It draws attention to how inconsistent they are with the rules, and how they don't enforce any rules most of the time, particularly in tag team matches, six-man matches, etc. Watch Raw if you like DQs so much. Insightful stuff. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 04:48 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2177th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/142.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu142')">brokea> wrote: All I know is the constant kickouts on big moves must be driving jdw and BostonIdol nuts I don't know who they are, but that's been going on in WWE for years too, especially in big matches. I'm fed up of the hypocrisy of some fans who hate the Young Bucks doing 15 finishers in a 30-minute match, but they watch even an Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels match from years ago with awe and they did the same exact thing. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 04:52 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2178th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I don't like that either, in any company. It's been overdone for years before AEW even existed. It's probably done more often now in AEW than I can remember in WWE, but I think once it's overdone at all then it doesn't matter much how far you go with it. And then it's hard to go back from it naturally or believably. Last edited on Fri Jan 7th, 2022 04:53 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 05:04 pm PM Quote Reply 2179th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: AEW has had two disqualifications since their inception (before the one on Wednesday). When PAC and Kenny Omega had their 30 minute Iron Man Match, PAC lost the first fall via a disqualification. When Brandon Cutler and Peter Avalon were having their feud over who would end their losing streak first, their first match ended in a double-count out, and their second in a double-disqualification. The fact that they use disqualifications so infrequently made this one mean something. It's not like the AEW "rules" don't allow for DQ finishes, they just don't book them. It's also a good use of the win-loss record gimmick. I disagree 100%. It draws attention to how inconsistent they are with the rules, and how they don't enforce any rules most of the time, particularly in tag team matches, six-man matches, etc. Watch Raw if you like DQs so much. Insightful stuff. OK... Way back on the first AEW PPV in 2019, they announced that tag match ruled allowed 10 seconds rather than 5 the for wrestler tagging out to get out of the ring. For me, this was basically saying that tag team rules were being relaxed so that more double-teaming could take place without having to contrive a way to distract the referee. The ruled of wrestling have been fluid for as long as I've watched wrestling, and I'll take some dodgy refereeing if it makes the matches more exciting. I've always taken promotions like PWG and Chikara, two of the biggest influences over the AEW style, of booking their wrestling knowing that the fans are in on it, allowing them to take some liberties with the realism to make the product more exciting. I might be completely wrong, but that's how I like to see it. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 05:14 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2180th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I get that and the AEW fans at those shows love it. I don't and I think the tag team division in particular suffers from it. Again, that's just for me. So I don't think they or you are wrong, or I am right, I do know what I like and don't like and it's this type of thing that stops me from saying most of the weekly shows are great. I do think most of them are good but there's some stuff, including this, that consistently detracts for me. I wasn't aware of that AEW 10 second rule (I'm almost sure I watched that PPV but obviously forgot it) so that is good to know, thanks. I don't think it's going to increase my enjoyment of the tag matches but you'd never know Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 05:31 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2181st Post khawk Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 19680 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/142.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu142')">brokea> wrote: All I know is the constant kickouts on big moves must be driving jdw and BostonIdol nuts I don't know who they are, I do. Trust me, it's funny ____________________ "It never hurts to use plain language when people are fucking stupid."--gwlee "wrestling fans need to start taking showers it makes no sense to smell the way they smell"--kk18 "Lard is a food group in Arkansas."-Raditch Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 06:10 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2182nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I get that and the AEW fans at those shows love it. I don't and I think the tag team division in particular suffers from it. Again, that's just for me. So I don't think they or you are wrong, or I am right, I do know what I like and don't like and it's this type of thing that stops me from saying most of the weekly shows are great. I do think most of them are good but there's some stuff, including this, that consistently detracts for me. I wasn't aware of that AEW 10 second rule (I'm almost sure I watched that PPV but obviously forgot it) so that is good to know, thanks. I don't think it's going to increase my enjoyment of the tag matches but you'd never know I've watched a million WWE tag matches, and can someone explain to me the difference? Seriously, they're not holding the tag rope, they're not getting out by 5, all 4 guys routinely fight in the ring at the same time, an unlimited number of saves...wtf is the difference? ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 06:18 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2183rd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I don't like the tag stuff in WWE either FWIW, maybe there is no difference between the two. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2022 09:09 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2184th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Poor Jerry Lynn had the worst draw of airline middle seats ever. There must be some forum somewhere who has postings from fans who are angry that if it was a house of 10,000 fans, that only 3 seat-fillers got to have their match notes potentially recognized and not theirs among the remaining 9,997. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jan 8th, 2022 04:29 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2185th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Meltzer is reporting the obvious, which is that Marko Stunt has been removed from TV and from the Jurassic Express. The fact that he was nowhere to be seen when they won the Tag titles this week cemented his status. Meltzer mostly shared the same speculation as everyone else, that he was not seen as credible and was holding the Express back, and was obviously replaced in the presentation of the team by Christian Cage. Some speculated that Cage himself asked that Stunt be removed, although Meltzer doubts that’s the case. Meltzer says AEW is very much sticking to their mandate that talents not be released unless there’s a disciplinary reason and that contracts be allowed to lapse instead. That will likely happen to Stunt, who has not been used in months, even in a jobber role on Dark. Stunt continues to be paid and is usually backstage. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jan 8th, 2022 04:51 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2186th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Newest signee Jake Atlas blew out his knee in match against Adam Cole that was scheduled to air on Rampage, and was last seen on crutches. It’s unknown the extent of his injury too. Just watched the match and this was the best improv ending due to injury I’ve ever seen. Atlas blew out his knee on the next to last move of the match, so timing wasn’t affected at all. He went for a springboard and got superkicked in mid-air, but planted his leg wrong when landing. Cole then went up to the top for the Panama sunrise finish. Atlas struggled to get up and clearly told the ref he wanted to finish. Cole jumped down but no way could Atlas flip himself over for the move, so Cole just feigned that he couldn’t get him up and hit an elbow to the back. Atlas went down still clutching his knee and Cole immediately put a single-leg figure-four on the injured knee, making sure not to jerk it but at the same time creating a super realistic finish to the match. And Atlas even sold and struggled for a few seconds before tapping! Brilliant work by both guys. And it wasn’t even over yet because there was a planned post-match beatdown with Cole, Fish, and O’Reilly where Orange, Taylor, and Yuta would make the save and they did the whole thing without ever touching Atlas, who was on the ground with the trainer covering him. You’d never think every second of that was unplanned and nothing looked botched. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jan 8th, 2022 07:43 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2187th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Meltzer is reporting the obvious, which is that Marko Stunt has been removed from TV and from the Jurassic Express. The fact that he was nowhere to be seen when they won the Tag titles this week cemented his status. Meltzer mostly shared the same speculation as everyone else, that he was not seen as credible and was holding the Express back, and was obviously replaced in the presentation of the team by Christian Cage. Some speculated that Cage himself asked that Stunt be removed, although Meltzer doubts that’s the case. Meltzer says AEW is very much sticking to their mandate that talents not be released unless there’s a disciplinary reason and that contracts be allowed to lapse instead. That will likely happen to Stunt, who has not been used in months, even in a jobber role on Dark. Stunt continues to be paid and is usually backstage. Not too many months back, Marko had a spot on Chris Jericho's cruise where he performed several sets singing and playing acoustic guitar. Obviously that isn't a regular roster role and doing coffeehouse material isn't something that can have longetivity. I suspect having the "Friend of the Program" status like Letterman used to describe it is where Marko can be slotted once his contract is up, no hard feelings and always welcome anytime, maybe even a cameo for something. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jan 8th, 2022 08:28 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2188th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Meltzer is reporting the obvious, which is that Marko Stunt has been removed from TV and from the Jurassic Express. The fact that he was nowhere to be seen when they won the Tag titles this week cemented his status. Meltzer mostly shared the same speculation as everyone else, that he was not seen as credible and was holding the Express back, and was obviously replaced in the presentation of the team by Christian Cage. Some speculated that Cage himself asked that Stunt be removed, although Meltzer doubts that’s the case. Meltzer says AEW is very much sticking to their mandate that talents not be released unless there’s a disciplinary reason and that contracts be allowed to lapse instead. That will likely happen to Stunt, who has not been used in months, even in a jobber role on Dark. Stunt continues to be paid and is usually backstage. Not too many months back, Marko had a spot on Chris Jericho's cruise where he performed several sets singing and playing acoustic guitar. Obviously that isn't a regular roster role and doing coffeehouse material isn't something that can have longetivity. I suspect having the "Friend of the Program" status like Letterman used to describe it is where Marko can be slotted once his contract is up, no hard feelings and always welcome anytime, maybe even a cameo for something. Stunt has sung and played guitar in AEW too. Britt Baker had a talk show for a little while before she caught fire, I think mainly on Dark, and Stunt performed on there. He's not bad at all. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jan 8th, 2022 08:31 am PM Quote Reply 2189th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Meltzer is reporting the obvious, which is that Marko Stunt has been removed from TV and from the Jurassic Express. The fact that he was nowhere to be seen when they won the Tag titles this week cemented his status. Meltzer mostly shared the same speculation as everyone else, that he was not seen as credible and was holding the Express back, and was obviously replaced in the presentation of the team by Christian Cage. Some speculated that Cage himself asked that Stunt be removed, although Meltzer doubts that’s the case. Meltzer says AEW is very much sticking to their mandate that talents not be released unless there’s a disciplinary reason and that contracts be allowed to lapse instead. That will likely happen to Stunt, who has not been used in months, even in a jobber role on Dark. Stunt continues to be paid and is usually backstage. Not too many months back, Marko had a spot on Chris Jericho's cruise where he performed several sets singing and playing acoustic guitar. Obviously that isn't a regular roster role and doing coffeehouse material isn't something that can have longetivity. I suspect having the "Friend of the Program" status like Letterman used to describe it is where Marko can be slotted once his contract is up, no hard feelings and always welcome anytime, maybe even a cameo for something. I thought Stunt was fine as the mascot of the Jurassic Express, but to me he started to think that he was an equal part of the act. The final straw for me, an maybe for AEW, was at Jungle Boy's celebration after he won the Casino Battle Royal. Doing his stupid wave on the top rope like the crowd were cheering for him. Kinda gave of the vibe of James Hetfield's shrink in Some Kind of Monster when he started believing he was a member of Metallica (a very, very loose comparison). ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jan 8th, 2022 06:39 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2190th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Cody Rhodes has confirmed that he’s off “Battle of the Belts” tonight due to coming into contact with family who have Covid. Sammy Guevara will now face Dustin Rhodes for the interim TNT title, with the winner eventually unifying the belt in a match with Cody. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Jan 10th, 2022 08:40 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2191st Post wittman2 Joined: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 Location: Posts: 938 Status: Offline Mana: My issue with the kicking out of multiple finishers is that in a lot of cases, the match is then won by a clothesline. So you're telling me you kicked out of 3 finishers a chairshot, going through a table and got pinned by a fucking clothesline. ____________________ "Poor Zack Gibson. He was the most hated heel in all of WWE a few years ago. Now he's Joe Gacy's goon and without the beard he somehow looks like a baby owl and Baron Von Raschke at the same time." - Kriss Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Jan 10th, 2022 08:52 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2192nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/155.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu155')">wittman2a> wrote: My issue with the kicking out of multiple finishers is that in a lot of cases, the match is then won by a clothesline. So you're telling me you kicked out of 3 finishers a chairshot, going through a table and got pinned by a fucking clothesline. The other moves wore him down. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Jan 10th, 2022 09:26 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2193rd Post krazykid18 The Prophet Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/155.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu155')">wittman2a> wrote: My issue with the kicking out of multiple finishers is that in a lot of cases, the match is then won by a clothesline. So you're telling me you kicked out of 3 finishers a chairshot, going through a table and got pinned by a fucking clothesline. That Sammy vs Dustin match man sometimes less is more .... I don't see it with Sammy from his voice to his matches something is missing Last edited on Mon Jan 10th, 2022 09:27 pm by krazykid18 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Jan 10th, 2022 10:06 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2194th Post kargol Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: He shouldn't be a face. He should be a chickenshit heel. He's reminiscent of del Toro's character in Licence to Kill. Or Cristiano Ronaldo. ____________________ superfunkymean Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Jan 10th, 2022 10:54 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2195th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I don't disagree about the match but I do think Sammy is gonna be great. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Jan 12th, 2022 07:42 am PM Quote Reply 2196th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Really good episode of Dark last night. It was taped before Battle of the Belts, so they had many more competitive matches than usual since the live show was only an hour. Had a fun house show vibe as well, and Excalibur and Tazz are the best commentary duo in all of wrestling right now. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Jan 12th, 2022 04:51 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2197th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tony Schiavone announced on his podcast that he has signed a 2-year extension with AEW. His original deal wasn't expiring for a few more months, so this extension takes him until almost mid-2024. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Jan 12th, 2022 05:02 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2198th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Good for him. I don't think it makes much of a positive difference to the show though. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Jan 12th, 2022 05:07 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2199th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I don't disagree about the match but I do think Sammy is gonna be great. I think Sammy will be as good as his ego will allow him to be. The whole deal with him showing up at Impact and not wanting to go along with anything, then getting called in by Jericho to get talked to, that can't happen anymore. You can't put your strap on a guy that bitches and moans about stupid shit. So he needs to grow up a bit. But his in-ring work is pretty solid - he ran rings around Miro when he beat him for the TNT Belt. The guy that I think is really going to be the superstar is MJF. He's going to be on a level that Roddy Piper was on in the WWF, especially if they keep his in-ring action to the bare minimum. Let him talk and only have him fight when it's absolutely necessary. Let his Ace Orton partner, whomever that becomes, do all the heavy lifting as that will keep the heat on the character for longer than should be possible. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Jan 12th, 2022 05:19 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2200th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Good for him. I don't think it makes much of a positive difference to the show though. I completely disagree. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it.
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Posted: Wed Jan 12th, 2022 05:24 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2201st Post srossi
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The guy that I think is really going to be the superstar is MJF. He's going to be on a level that Roddy Piper was on in the WWF, especially if they keep his in-ring action to the bare minimum. Let him talk and only have him fight when it's absolutely necessary. Let his Ace Orton partner, whomever that becomes, do all the heavy lifting as that will keep the heat on the character for longer than should be possible.
Sammy was told by Jericho that he has 2 strikes. The Sasha Banks rape joke was just immature bullshit that got blown out of proportion, but that got him a suspension and sensitivity training. For him to come right back from that and then get sent home from Impact for not wanting to do business at 26 years old was just a really bad look. Meltzer said at the time that Sammy is very lucky to have someone like Jericho willing to sit him down and explain the heat he has, because any other company and they might’ve given up on him. But supposedly Jericho told him 3 strikes and you’re out, you better be on your best behavior for years to come because this company has real plans for you if you can get your shit together.
As it is, I think this Tay Conti homewrecker thing is a distraction that’s going to lead to him saying something he shouldn’t on Twitter. We get it, you have the hottest girlfriend in the world now and you upgraded. It’s no one’s business but the ex’s, but this is 2022 and it left a bad taste in people’s mouths and they’re going to troll you. He never should’ve proposed to her on TV in the first place, no one knew who Dick the Bruiser was banging. Delete your Twitter or at least don’t engage with the trolls. But this generation can’t do that, and I think he’s heading down a dangerous path. We’ll see.
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Posted: Wed Jan 12th, 2022 05:31 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2202nd Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I hadn't heard about the rape joke. It was stupid (and he should not have said it) but in today's world he is lucky he got another chance as quick as other people may not have been afforded that.
I also hadn't heard about the TNA incident either.
He's young and he's been put into a really good spot, deservedly in my opinion. Let's hope he doesn't fuck things up again.
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Posted: Wed Jan 12th, 2022 06:00 pm PM Quote Reply 2203rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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I also hadn't heard about the TNA incident either.
He's young and he's been put into a really good spot, deservedly in my opinion. Let's hope he doesn't fuck things up again.
Those two "strike" incidents were a while ago now, long before Sammy was pushed to his recent title-winning run. I think he'll be fine. I think he'll be fine on social media. He's been doing his weekly vlog for something like six years now, and it hasn't caused any problems. Maybe if they'd sent Fuego with him o Impact he would have talked some sense into him, that dude seems like one of the nicest guys in wrestling.
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Posted: Wed Jan 12th, 2022 06:32 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2204th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Yes, I did look up the incidents and they are a long time back so it looks like he's maybe learned a lesson or two.
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Posted: Wed Jan 12th, 2022 07:13 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2205th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: The rape joke became a story just over a year ago, didn't it? And the Impact incident had to be a lot more recent, maybe 6 months ago. It's very generous to say that this is all in the distant past and he's learned from his mistakes, but we'll see. The way that he and Tay Conti are acting on social media right now makes me wonder.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: The rape joke became a story just over a year ago, didn't it? And the Impact incident had to be a lot more recent, maybe 6 months ago. It's very generous to say that this is all in the distant past and he's learned from his mistakes, but we'll see. The way that he and Tay Conti are acting on social media right now makes me wonder.
The rape joke 'scandal' happened recently but the actual joke was made in 2016. The TNA thing was a year ago, you're right. I had read it wrong first time. Last edited on Wed Jan 12th, 2022 07:20 pm by Jim_Irish
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The rape joke 'scandal' happened recently but the actual joke was made in 2016. The TNA thing was a year ago, you're right. I had read it wrong first time.
Yeah the TNA was in February. My point was that given these two strikes, they gave him a big singles push at the end of last year, so AEW must be happy enough with his attitude now. Add to that, the roster is so much stronger than it was in February, so they had a lot of options if they didn't trust Sammy.
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Powerhouse Hobbs v Dante Martin
Hikaru Shida v Serena Deeb
Sammy Guevara (c) v Daniel Garcia
This could be a very good show, all those matches look to be of interest to me.
I assume they won't leave it too long about matching Sammy against Cody again.
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Posted: Wed Jan 12th, 2022 07:37 pm PM Quote Reply 2210th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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Powerhouse Hobbs v Dante Martin
Hikaru Shida v Serena Deeb
Sammy Guevara (c) v Daniel Garcia
This could be a very good show, all those matches look to be of interest to me.
I assume they won't leave it too long about matching Sammy against Cody again.
One thing AEW doesn't do is rush re-matches. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Garcia win the interim title tonight.
EDIT: I am quite the fool, since Cody vs Sammy was scheduled for last Saturday. I still stand by Garcia maybe getting the upset win tonight. Last edited on Wed Jan 12th, 2022 07:44 pm by Kriss
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I'd forgotten that actually, you're right, it's soon. I can't seen them having Garcia win the interim title, and I hope they don't. Having an interim champion in the first place is sort of stupid, Cody was going to miss, what, 2 weeks tops?
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Posted: Wed Jan 12th, 2022 07:49 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2212th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I'd forgotten that actually, you're right, it's soon. I can't seen them having Garcia win the interim title, and I hope they don't. Having an interim champion in the first place is sort of stupid, Cody was going to miss, what, 2 weeks tops?
I’m a bit baffled at Daniel García. Generic name, generic indy guy, generic moveset, generic look, generic promo. He could be anyone. But he’s getting tons of TV time when huge names are struggling. Jim Cornette actually pointed this out first and I wholeheartedly agree with him this time. If you’re pushing Daniel García and can’t find a spot for Jay Lethal 1 week after his debut, something is wrong.
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I’m a bit baffled at Daniel García. Generic name, generic indy guy, generic moveset, generic look, generic promo. He could be anyone. But he’s getting tons of TV time when huge names are struggling. Jim Cornette actually pointed this out first and I wholeheartedly agree with him this time. If you’re pushing Daniel García and can’t find a spot for Jay Lethal 1 week after his debut, something is wrong.
It's hard to explain, but he has some intangible quality that makes him very good to watch. Maybe it's because he's new and good. I genuinely want him to win tonight, and that's good enough for me.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I haven't seen much of him in the ring, but everything else about him in generic, I agree.
The Jay Lethal thing really baffles me. Bring him in, job him immediately. Same thing with Bobby Fish, I don't think he won one singles match. Makes no sense.
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The Jay Lethal thing really baffles me. Bring him in, job him immediately. Same thing with Bobby Fish, I don't think he won one singles match. Makes no sense.
Losing a title match on your first night isn't jobbing! Fish is getting exactly the push he merits being beside Cole and O'Reilly. Lethal is going to do just fine. It's not like they were given the Karrion Kross treatment.
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The Jay Lethal thing really baffles me. Bring him in, job him immediately. Same thing with Bobby Fish, I don't think he won one singles match. Makes no sense. Online people are funny, they KILL AEW for bring in Jay Lethal but now want to use it against AEW that he is not being used..... Wrestling fans in 2020's are basically people who think they are in the business or social media avengers and whiners
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The Jay Lethal thing really baffles me. Bring him in, job him immediately. Same thing with Bobby Fish, I don't think he won one singles match. Makes no sense. Online people are funny, they KILL AEW for bring in Jay Lethal but now want to use it against AEW that he is not being used..... Wrestling fans in 2020's are basically people who think they are in the business or social media avengers and whiners
Who killed AEW for bringing in Lethal? That was a no-brainer.
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Posted: Wed Jan 12th, 2022 08:12 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2218th Post srossi
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It was a "Battle of the Belts" special, so they felt that they tied their hands and had to present all title matches. I agree they could've switched to another title match and not done the interim gimmick.
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The Jay Lethal thing really baffles me. Bring him in, job him immediately. Same thing with Bobby Fish, I don't think he won one singles match. Makes no sense.
Losing a title match on your first night isn't jobbing! Fish is getting exactly the push he merits being beside Cole and O'Reilly. Lethal is going to do just fine. It's not like they were given the Karrion Kross treatment. Why bring in JayLethal and immediately give him and title match and immediately have him lose clean? Makes no sense. Why bring in Fish (who I had never seen before) and immediately have him lost all the time? It should be OK now with Cole and O'Reilly but why not bring in new guys who have some level of notoriety from other companies and at least book them stronger for a while?
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It was a "Battle of the Belts" special, so they felt that they tied their hands and had to present all title matches. I agree they could've switched to another title match and not done the interim gimmick. And it also smacks of something that they will never do again, it's just done because it was 'Battle of the Belts'. If it was any other PPV or special event they wouldn't have done the interim thing.
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The Jay Lethal thing really baffles me. Bring him in, job him immediately. Same thing with Bobby Fish, I don't think he won one singles match. Makes no sense.
Losing a title match on your first night isn't jobbing! Fish is getting exactly the push he merits being beside Cole and O'Reilly. Lethal is going to do just fine. It's not like they were given the Karrion Kross treatment. Why bring in JayLethal and immediately give him and title match and immediately have him lose clean? Makes no sense. Why bring in Fish (who I had never seen before) and immediately have him lost all the time? It should be OK now with Cole and O'Reilly but why not bring in new guys who have some level of notoriety from other companies and at least book them stronger for a while?
Fish is an older, secondary guy who has never been pushed on his own without O'Reilly and Cole. I don't think there were many plans for him until they brought everyone else in. Fish's best role is to be a good veteran hand to help lead rookies through matches, and eventually transition backstage. But with a reunion of the Undisputed Era, they can do more with him first.
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It was a "Battle of the Belts" special, so they felt that they tied their hands and had to present all title matches. I agree they could've switched to another title match and not done the interim gimmick. And it also smacks of something that they will never do again, it's just done because it was 'Battle of the Belts'. If it was any other PPV or special event they wouldn't have done the interim thing.
I agree it was stupid but the match was dumb too but it is AEW like why was Goldust the number 2 contender for their version of 24/7 Title....
that TV title has been booked so shitty and so unimportant only time it felt like a real championship belt was when the Redeemer had it.... Last edited on Wed Jan 12th, 2022 09:28 pm by krazykid18
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I agree it was stupid but the match was dumb too but it is AEW like why was Goldust the number 2 contender for their version of 24/7 Title....
Yeah, I wondered too how come they let Cody's brother defend the belt. But honestly, isn't it almost an old "southern tradition" where the Champion can pick his friend to defend the belt. And when said friend loses, chaos used to ensue. I recall an angle in Mid South where Slater was a double champ, gave one belt to a friend to defend, lost the other belt, and when he asked for the second belt back his friend told him to go take a hike. In Texas, the Von Erich's always seemed to have a hand picked substitute in tag and six man matches because one of the brothers would be fighting for the America's title on the same card. Sometimes they'd pull double duty but whenever the NWA champ was in town, whichever brother had the title shot did NOTHING in the week leading up to it - it was Fritz' way of showing his crowd how hard it was to win the World Championship, he would make sure his son had a week to "train".
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote:
I agree it was stupid but the match was dumb too but it is AEW like why was Goldust the number 2 contender for their version of 24/7 Title....
Yeah, I wondered too how come they let Cody's brother defend the belt. But honestly, isn't it almost an old "southern tradition" where the Champion can pick his friend to defend the belt. And when said friend loses, chaos used to ensue. I recall an angle in Mid South where Slater was a double champ, gave one belt to a friend to defend, lost the other belt, and when he asked for the second belt back his friend told him to go take a hike. In Texas, the Von Erich's always seemed to have a hand picked substitute in tag and six man matches because one of the brothers would be fighting for the America's title on the same card. Sometimes they'd pull double duty but whenever the NWA champ was in town, whichever brother had the title shot did NOTHING in the week leading up to it - it was Fritz' way of showing his crowd how hard it was to win the World Championship, he would make sure his son had a week to "train".
They tried to explain it that Dustin and Sammy were 1-1 in their previous 2 matches, so this was the rubber match. At least they tried to say something.
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Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: The first commercial break showed a preview of the next Go-Big Show which has Cody Rhodes as a panelist. The contestant lighting himself on fire while solving a Rubik's Cube has Cody stand up and recoil in disgust... and seemingly takes notes for his Andrade flaming table match.
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Posted: Thu Jan 13th, 2022 02:32 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2227th Post krazykid18 The Prophet
Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: Man that CM punk vs wardlow match was such shitty overbooking bs I understand MJf wants to pin him but there is better ways to make that point clear then what we just saw and this is where a DQ would have been perfectly fine to be used.
And the mjf wardlow breakup has also been handled so garbage imo Last edited on Thu Jan 13th, 2022 02:41 am by krazykid18
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Posted: Thu Jan 13th, 2022 04:51 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2228th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Brody King made his AEW debut tonight, joining forces with Malakai Black. He was referred to as a former ROH Tag champion.
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Posted: Thu Jan 13th, 2022 07:07 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2229th Post Quattro
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: Posts: 4476 Status: Offline Mana: I watched some of this show tonight. What I saw was awful. At risk of parroting Jim Cornette, so much of this comes across as Cosplay wrestling to me. I guess I am just old but I struggle with so much of this. I see flashes of potential, but then it almost is guaranteed to let me down.
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Posted: Thu Jan 13th, 2022 04:46 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2230th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: Man that CM punk vs wardlow match was such shitty overbooking bs I understand MJf wants to pin him but there is better ways to make that point clear then what we just saw and this is where a DQ would have been perfectly fine to be used.
And the mjf wardlow breakup has also been handled so garbage imo I don't completly disagree about the overall breakup angle but I though the match last night was fine as part of the overall angle. MJF gets more heat, Wardlow looks great and CM Punk doesn't really lost face.
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Posted: Thu Jan 13th, 2022 05:02 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2231st Post srossi
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And the mjf wardlow breakup has also been handled so garbage imo I don't completly disagree about the overall breakup angle but I though the match last night was fine as part of the overall angle. MJF gets more heat, Wardlow looks great and CM Punk doesn't really lost face.
I didn't like it. I get what they were doing but for someone pushed as much as Punk to be absolutely destroyed and squashed like that, and he would've been pinned early with one foot on his chest if MJF had not stopped it, was a bit much.
And these angles have been done before and never make sense. Wardlow could've won the match and then kept beating on Punk. It was WWE overkill booking, and the same exact effect could've been had in a more subtle way. Considering that AEW usually excels at subtly and the long build, this whole angle from the beginning has been WWE style "hitting you with a sledgehammer because the marks are too stupid to get it" type booking.
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Posted: Thu Jan 13th, 2022 06:30 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2232nd Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: The match did go on too long, I agree with that. But again the consistency isn't there. Wardlow powerbombs Punk 7 or 8 times, including through a table, Punk can't stand for long periods. A match or two later the ref stops the match when someone gets her legged hooked for ten seconds. The commentators sell how important it is for the ref to make sure the opponent doesn't get hurt. I'm not sure if there's ever been a stoppage before in AEW but regardless of that the logic is all over the place. Last edited on Thu Jan 13th, 2022 06:36 pm by Jim_Irish
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Posted: Thu Jan 13th, 2022 08:16 pm PM Quote Reply 2233rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I'm not sure if there's ever been a stoppage before in AEW but regardless of that the logic is all over the place.
There have been loads. Too many to count.
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Posted: Thu Jan 13th, 2022 08:39 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2234th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Cool. I don't think I've seen one but I've only been watching for a few months. Last edited on Thu Jan 13th, 2022 08:40 pm by Jim_Irish
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Posted: Thu Jan 13th, 2022 08:47 pm PM Quote Reply 2235th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Cool. I don't think I've seen one but I've only been watching for a few months.
Almost everyone who has a submission finisher has won via KO or ref stoppage at some point. Wardlow used to have a gimmick on Dark where he would knock people out and the ref would stop the match. As with most wrestling tropes, though, it's used or not used as required by the story.
Link for an awesome Wardlow squash: <A HREF="https://sportsandwrestling.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=50062&forum_id=17" TARGET="_blank">https://sportsandwrestling.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=50062&forum_id=17A>
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Posted: Thu Jan 13th, 2022 09:18 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2236th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Actually, did Danielson win with a stoppage with a submission? Maybe that was a KO.
I've never watched Dark or another other Internet show but funny you mention Wardlow, I'd recently thought the KO finish would have been good to use a bit lately for Wardlow when he was squashing everyone. If I remember right the WWE did it with Brock Lesnar in the beginning, with Jeff Hardy. Last edited on Thu Jan 13th, 2022 09:19 pm by Jim_Irish
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Posted: Thu Jan 13th, 2022 09:50 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2237th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Actually, did Danielson win with a stoppage with a submission? Maybe that was a KO.
I've never watched Dark or another other Internet show but funny you mention Wardlow, I'd recently thought the KO finish would have been good to use a bit lately for Wardlow when he was squashing everyone. If I remember right the WWE did it with Brock Lesnar in the beginning, with Jeff Hardy.
They need to bring back The Berzerker finish of just obliterating jobbers and then throwing them over the top rope to be counted out. That could get over big again after all these years.
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Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Actually, did Danielson win with a stoppage with a submission? Maybe that was a KO.
I've never watched Dark or another other Internet show but funny you mention Wardlow, I'd recently thought the KO finish would have been good to use a bit lately for Wardlow when he was squashing everyone. If I remember right the WWE did it with Brock Lesnar in the beginning, with Jeff Hardy.
They need to bring back The Berzerker finish of just obliterating jobbers and then throwing them over the top rope to be counted out. That could get over big again after all these years.
Good call, I could see that getting over big time with the right guy.
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Posted: Fri Jan 14th, 2022 01:00 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2239th Post hammettime
Joined: Mon Mar 8th, 2010 Location: Posts: 568 Status: Offline Mana: The one dude in AEW I don’t see the hype with is Dante Martin. The match with powerhouse Hobbs last night was tough to watch in my opinion. I can deal with the floppy choreography of a lot of the Indy-ish guys, but there has to be some semblance of realism. I don’t see it at all with Martin, too many stop, jump, spring type setups.
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Posted: Sat Jan 15th, 2022 09:55 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2240th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Wardlow could have a young Diesel thing going for him. It’s an unfair comparison because he’ll probably never be that big, but starting out as a bodyguard and then showing some personality with his facials of late as they slowly turn him face and he gets over, you can see it.
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Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: I forgot to check in yesterday but The Acclaimed did a pretty nice video positioning themselves as rivals for Darby Allin and Sting. I was impressed with the production values and both Caster and Bowens had great presence alongside someone they called "Stang" while Bowens had his face painted like Allin. The target of this rap video was that Allin needs to call on Sting for help and it was a nice change of pace. I don't think the Acclaimed are quite there yet with their in-ring work but I get sort of a vibe like The New Breed when they came into JCP... plenty of potential to build upon.
<A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlAyqXTcw7w" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlAyqXTcw7wA> Last edited on Sun Jan 16th, 2022 12:10 am by One Fan Gang
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<A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlAyqXTcw7w" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlAyqXTcw7wA>
Great video, you can tell these guys are pretty free to do what they went and are not overproduced in any way unlike WWE. Their work isn’t great but they have a presence and they “get it”. We’ll see where they are in a few years but they are promising if nothing else.
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Dante always looks like he is about to cry. I don’t see why he is hyped either. He offers nothing different. Skinny with flips and flops.
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Dante always looks like he is about to cry. I don’t see why he is hyped either. He offers nothing different. Skinny with flips and flops.
He’s really not that hyped though. They’re doing a slow burn with him, maybe it’ll work and maybe not. Some of the people that fans complain about really aren’t getting that pushed, and then AEW relegates them even more if they’re not getting over (Private Party, Marko Stunt, etc.)
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Thus is almost comical in its self-righteousness and so similar to what Ted Turner used to say about WWE.
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WWE provided the following statement to The Toronto Star, in an article looking at AEW being viable competition:
“If you look at the gory self-mutilation that bloodied several women in the December 31 event on TNT, it quickly becomes clear that these are very different businesses. We had an edgier product in the ‘Attitude’ era and in a 2022 world, we don’t believe that type of dangerous and brutal display is appealing to network partners, sponsors, venues, children, or the general public as a whole.”
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<A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlAyqXTcw7w" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlAyqXTcw7wA> Never seen him wrestle but Stang is one of the guys that hangs with Cardona and ambers in “The Major Wrestling Figure” deal that Matt Carson’s has been producing the past couple years. He has been “nWo Stang” as well as “Red White and Blue Stang” at Indy events.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Thus is almost comical in its self-righteousness and so similar to what Ted Turner used to say about WWE.
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WWE provided the following statement to The Toronto Star, in an article looking at AEW being viable competition:
“If you look at the gory self-mutilation that bloodied several women in the December 31 event on TNT, it quickly becomes clear that these are very different businesses. We had an edgier product in the ‘Attitude’ era and in a 2022 world, we don’t believe that type of dangerous and brutal display is appealing to network partners, sponsors, venues, children, or the general public as a whole.”
This is WWE trying to make sponsors leave AEW television.
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There are a number of AEW talent that does regular vlogs and have been entertained at how some of them overlap as they are being recorded, so if you prefer certain wrestlers as personalities, you can easily find the episodes on YouTube, and most of them are good at editing in their contact info along the way. Thunder Rosa has a specialty vlog dealing with trying various tacos in the cities they tour, mainly with other AEW talent but did a couple with Jerry Lynn, Mick Foley and others not actively wrestling for the company. She and her guests rate the meal and have some interesting Q&A along the way. Sammy Guevara has a regular vlog and a posse that doesn't necessarily align with "storyline friends" like Griff Garrison, Aaron Solo, QT Marshall, Fuego del Sol (who has heartwarming family moments with his Dad, a role assumed by Dustin Rhodes) and others. It's weird for me in reviewing episodes out of order to figure out why some of the Vlog Crew have mini-episodes within Sammy's show, but it's clear they have a following who likes seeing both the excitement and boredom of the road for so many people. There's a great generation gap between guys like Paul Wight and Mark Henry, who have some funny interactions, and outright disdain for all things vlogging like Tazz, who demands payment for his appearances on-camera. Another strange aspect is seeing in retrospect the episode where Sammy proposes in-ring to his longtime girlfriend. Watching some episodes out of order, you see plenty of interactions with Tay Conti throughout their travels before and after this event. Weird foreshadowing is evident when you see a parallel story of some of the crew guys man-crushing on Sammy and talking about plans to break the couple up out of jealousy.
Compared to video I have seen of WWE talents in the past few years in out-of-the-ring life, the AEW talent has a clear camaraderie with everyone from special events people. seamstresses, security and trainers to real-time interactions with fans. If these vlogs are generating extra revenue for the talent themselves, more power to them.
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Posted: Mon Jan 17th, 2022 10:47 am PM Quote Reply 2249th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I've given all the blogs a shot. BTE is the best because they put the most effort in and have all the skits which are pretty funny, and use a wide range of guys. The travellog stuff is only a really small part of it. Sammy's vlog is probably the best slice of life backstage vlog. The Bunny's vlog is quite fun as well, but I haven't seen a a new one posted in a while. Ethan Page's one is fun. He's a heel on TV, but the real Page is the world's biggest babyface. Thunder Rosa's o don't find so interesting. Her vlog is too long, and has a load of BTS from Mission Pro which isn't so interesting for me. The Ttaco vlog would be interesting if she actually tried to have an interesting conversation with her guests, but it's often mostly about the food. Evil Uno's vlog is kinda boring, he doesn't have much charisma. Alex Abrahantes does a weekly best of the vlogs show,which is only noteworthy in that it looks very professional because he has his own home studio where he records his QVC stuff.
It's interesting that some of the AEW are never ever seen on anyone's vlog. Off the top of my head, none of the Pinnacle ever appear, nor do Darby Allin and Sting, but that might be it. Maybe Britt Baker too. It was kinda strange seeing an out of character Aleister Black joking around about video games backstage
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: As AEW continues to expand, you're starting to see disagreements between talents who want to be more independent and management who need to look out for the best interests of the company. Meltzer is reporting that Bryan Danielson wants to work for a specific indy in a "dream match" scenario but AEW wants to hold off on that because it's in a market AEW hasn't run yet. AEW hopes to get there this year and they want Danielson's first match in the area to be with them. Danielson's agreement calls for him to work outside dates with permission and this is basically his first request to do so and he's being turned down. Meltzer says it's all cordial but there is some frustration on Danielson's part.
Danielson also really wants to get back to Japan this year, something that there's been no serious talk of yet because of Covid travel restrictions, so it remains to be seen how smoothly those negotiations will go between AEW and NJPW in terms of dates, opponents, and if Danielson can job. He's a main event talent so it will be much trickier to iron this out than it is for mid-carders who are much lower profile and basically can do what they want on the indies and elsewhere. AEW gets final creative say in all outside bookings, and so far rarely have used it.
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Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: As AEW continues to expand, you're starting to see disagreements between talents who want to be more independent and management who need to look out for the best interests of the company. Meltzer is reporting that Bryan Danielson wants to work for a specific indy in a "dream match" scenario but AEW wants to hold off on that because it's in a market AEW hasn't run yet. AEW hopes to get there this year and they want Danielson's first match in the area to be with them. Danielson's agreement calls for him to work outside dates with permission and this is basically his first request to do so and he's being turned down. Meltzer says it's all cordial but there is some frustration on Danielson's part.
Danielson also really wants to get back to Japan this year, something that there's been no serious talk of yet because of Covid travel restrictions, so it remains to be seen how smoothly those negotiations will go between AEW and NJPW in terms of dates, opponents, and if Danielson can job. He's a main event talent so it will be much trickier to iron this out than it is for mid-carders who are much lower profile and basically can do what they want on the indies and elsewhere. AEW gets final creative say in all outside bookings, and so far rarely have used it.
Interesting...... and Moxley first appearance unless AEW has a secret plans this week will be on GCW.....
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Thus is almost comical in its self-righteousness and so similar to what Ted Turner used to say about WWE.
PWInsider:
WWE provided the following statement to The Toronto Star, in an article looking at AEW being viable competition:
“If you look at the gory self-mutilation that bloodied several women in the December 31 event on TNT, it quickly becomes clear that these are very different businesses. We had an edgier product in the ‘Attitude’ era and in a 2022 world, we don’t believe that type of dangerous and brutal display is appealing to network partners, sponsors, venues, children, or the general public as a whole.”
All of the women involved in the match posted bloody pics of themselves in the wake of WWE's message, with a bloody Tay Conti flipping Vince off directly.
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Joined: Wed Mar 4th, 2009 Location: Posts: 4686 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Thus is almost comical in its self-righteousness and so similar to what Ted Turner used to say about WWE.
PWInsider:
WWE provided the following statement to The Toronto Star, in an article looking at AEW being viable competition:
“If you look at the gory self-mutilation that bloodied several women in the December 31 event on TNT, it quickly becomes clear that these are very different businesses. We had an edgier product in the ‘Attitude’ era and in a 2022 world, we don’t believe that type of dangerous and brutal display is appealing to network partners, sponsors, venues, children, or the general public as a whole.”
ALl of the women involved in the match posted bloody pics of themselves in the wake of WWE's message, with a bloody Tay Conti flipping Vince off directly.
Blood in women's matches is a big reason why I can't get into today's professional wrestling. Something about it just seems wrong to me.
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Posted: Mon Jan 17th, 2022 11:06 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2254th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Meltzer is reporting that Cody Rhodes' contract expired earlier this month and he is working without a contract. Nothing is expected to come out of this, but you never know. There are some jokes about him being a surprise at the Royal Rumble, which technically could happen, although no one seriously thinks it will.
A bunch of contracts have recently expired from the first batch of signings pre-Dynamite, including the Young Bucks, Tony Schiavone, and Scorpio Sky, who have all been re-signed to multi-year deals.
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Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Regarding Danielson, I heard the group in question is for PWG on shows in California. There are no plans for an AEW Western States title tourney, are there? Last edited on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 02:05 am by One Fan Gang
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Posted: Tue Jan 18th, 2022 09:03 am PM Quote Reply 2256th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I think some people look for dissent anywhere they can in AEW, whether it's there or not. AEW have power of veto over the independent bookings of those that are under contract. They have probably said no before this, but it seems that they say yes moat of the time. Just because Danielson might really really want to work for PWG doesn't mean that they should say yes if they have other plans. It also doesn't mean that Danielson is unhappy that they said no. The funny thing here is that Tony Khan wants to have Danielson's post-WWE West Coast debut. If this was WWE, they would just advertise it as such, even if he had worked PWG.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Dynamite is a much weaker show since Kenny Omega went home. He must be a much bigger influence on Tony Khan's booking than was previously thought. The show is still decent, but there's something missing. A lot of in-ring promos the past two weeks, and the wrestling has slowed down a lot. Feels more and more like a WWE show.
Moxley's promo was awful. If I have to hear one more wrestler personify their addiction as "demons"... Is this an American thing or just a wrestler thing? What was the point of that promo, except to get him back on TV? Who's he going to feud with? What's his next match? Crickets...
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Joined: Mon Mar 8th, 2010 Location: Posts: 568 Status: Offline Mana: Regarding moxley, he is facing Ethan page Friday on rampage. Not sure if one off or a feud, but hope one off.
Regarding Danielson and pwg, I was hopeful this summer he would have shown up for their first show back. They had malaki black as a surprise, which is cool, but AmDrag would be amazing! Would love to see it, but doubtful.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Dynamite is a much weaker show since Kenny Omega went home. He must be a much bigger influence on Tony Khan's booking than was previously thought. The show is still decent, but there's something missing. A lot of in-ring promos the past two weeks, and the wrestling has slowed down a lot. Feels more and more like a WWE show.
Last night's show was as weak as any Dynamite I've ever seen. It still flew by because they just have a formula that works so much better than WWE's plodding style, but it was completely missable and just not well booked.
There were no compelling matches and no one needed to see Frankie Kazarian have a 10-minute match with Lance Archer when we all knew he was going to lose. That's one of the valid complaints Cornette always has, you don't need everyone to have a good match, sometimes you just need to get someone over. Archer didn't get over in his return in that match, and it wasn't even a good match even though they tried.
Everything else was basically an episode of Dark except the opening mixed tag match, which I know people will hate because they don't think Adam Cole should be in these situations. It was decent but there was a long-term storyline they could've used to bring Cole and Baker together on-camera, something meaningful that would've popped the crowd, and this shit isn't it. Right now, it's hurting them both because they're so over on their own they're bogging each other down by being a couple. Just allude to it on TV but keep them apart until there's a reason. AEW has been so good at that before, but I don't know what they're doing here. They learned nothing from the disastrous Seth Rollins-Becky Lynch team though.
Not sure how TBS feels about having AEW on the air live for 2 weeks now and already having Moxley drop an unbleeped f-bomb. I know they let "shit" fly regularly (overused), but this one has to get the company some heat. Other than that, I didn't really mind Moxley's promo because he has a unique style and should be allowed to be himself, and he was 100% real last night, that's just who he is. Some of these promos will hit more than others, but that shouldn't be suppressed. We only remember the gold from Piper, Blassie, etc. from the unscripted "good old days", but there was plenty more where I didn't know what they were talking about. Let these guys be themselves and they'll hit on something special at least half the time. The goal was to say Mox is back so mission accomplished and they can build to whatever is next for him slowly like they did with Punk. I was OK with it. Did anyone need to see it? No.
Then the main event could've been OK, but they did more WWE booking with the handicap match shit, and Sting shouldn't be holding his own for 5 minutes against 2 guys who's combined ages are still less than his. I hated that booking, and pretty much the whole show.
So yeah, this one was bad. I guess that KrazyKid is going to think I'm off the payroll now.
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Last night's show was as weak as any Dynamite I've ever seen. It still flew by because they just have a formula that works so much better than WWE's plodding style, but it was completely missable and just not well booked.
I think part of it is also 2 hrs vs 3, if RAW were down to 2 hrs again, I'd like to think they would pare some of the crap down. If AEW ever goes to 3 hrs, it'll be interesting to see if they can keep up the quality or if a match like Archer/Kaz would get 15-20 min
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/155.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu155')">wittman2a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Dynamite is a much weaker show since Kenny Omega went home. He must be a much bigger influence on Tony Khan's booking than was previously thought. The show is still decent, but there's something missing. A lot of in-ring promos the past two weeks, and the wrestling has slowed down a lot. Feels more and more like a WWE show.
Last night's show was as weak as any Dynamite I've ever seen. It still flew by because they just have a formula that works so much better than WWE's plodding style, but it was completely missable and just not well booked.
I think part of it is also 2 hrs vs 3, if RAW were down to 2 hrs again, I'd like to think they would pare some of the crap down. If AEW ever goes to 3 hrs, it'll be interesting to see if they can keep up the quality or if a match like Archer/Kaz would get 15-20 min
This is very true of course, and I would never want Dynamite to expand to 3 hours, but Smackdown is 2 hours also and probably the better comparison. Smackdown is easier to sit through than Raw because it's shorter, but by no means does it usually fly by either. All WWE shows are often a chore to watch. When AEW is bad, it's bad and you move on. When WWE is bad or even average, it's like Chinese water torture that will never end.
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Last night's show was as weak as any Dynamite I've ever seen. It still flew by because they just have a formula that works so much better than WWE's plodding style, but it was completely missable and just not well booked.
I think part of it is also 2 hrs vs 3, if RAW were down to 2 hrs again, I'd like to think they would pare some of the crap down. If AEW ever goes to 3 hrs, it'll be interesting to see if they can keep up the quality or if a match like Archer/Kaz would get 15-20 min
This is very true of course, and I would never want Dynamite to expand to 3 hours, but Smackdown is 2 hours also and probably the better comparison. Smackdown is easier to sit through than Raw because it's shorter, but by no means does it usually fly by either. All WWE shows are often a chore to watch. When AEW is bad, it's bad and you move on. When WWE is bad or even average, it's like Chinese water torture that will never end.
A lot of that is because if something is crap before the break, you have to watch it again after the break, and then probably twice more before the end of the show. If you edited out all the adverts and previously ons from Raw it's shorter than Dynamite which actually runs through ever ad break with full commentary if you watch the FITE version.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/155.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu155')">wittman2a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Dynamite is a much weaker show since Kenny Omega went home. He must be a much bigger influence on Tony Khan's booking than was previously thought. The show is still decent, but there's something missing. A lot of in-ring promos the past two weeks, and the wrestling has slowed down a lot. Feels more and more like a WWE show.
Last night's show was as weak as any Dynamite I've ever seen. It still flew by because they just have a formula that works so much better than WWE's plodding style, but it was completely missable and just not well booked.
I think part of it is also 2 hrs vs 3, if RAW were down to 2 hrs again, I'd like to think they would pare some of the crap down. If AEW ever goes to 3 hrs, it'll be interesting to see if they can keep up the quality or if a match like Archer/Kaz would get 15-20 min
This is very true of course, and I would never want Dynamite to expand to 3 hours, but Smackdown is 2 hours also and probably the better comparison. Smackdown is easier to sit through than Raw because it's shorter, but by no means does it usually fly by either. All WWE shows are often a chore to watch. When AEW is bad, it's bad and you move on. When WWE is bad or even average, it's like Chinese water torture that will never end.
A lot of that is because if something is crap before the break, you have to watch it again after the break, and then probably twice more before the end of the show. If you edited out all the adverts and previously ons from Raw it's shorter than Dynamite which actually runs through ever ad break with full commentary if you watch the FITE version.
There's also just a fundamental difference between what I want from wrestling that everyone else provides to some degree or another, and what WWE is. And that's no one's fault but my own for continuing to watch and complain and hope that it will change. When AEW sucks, it sucks within the normal parameters of bad wrestling. That Archer-Kazarian match went on too long and was boring, but it was wrestling. When Happy Corbin and Madcap Moss are doing whatever it is they do for 20 minutes, it so defies the conventions of anything I'm looking for in a wrestling product that it's not even in the same genre. It becomes akin to my wife forcing me to watch 20 minutes of "Sex and the City" or something, because it's so completely unrelated to what I'm hoping to see. And it took years but at this point my tolerance has worn so thin that I've gone from looking forward to WWE shows, to being apathetic about it but actively watching, to having it on as background noise and looking up when something interesting seems to be happening, to almost literally fast-forwarding through entire shows to the point that I can barely say I watched it.
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Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: And it took years but at this point my tolerance has worn so thin that I've gone from looking forward to WWE shows, to being apathetic about it but actively watching, to having it on as background noise and looking up when something interesting seems to be happening, to almost literally fast-forwarding through entire shows to the point that I can barely say I watched it. That same thing happened to me, but it was 2013/2014 that it happened to me. The RAW after Wrestlemania was it. We had been recording RAW and watching it Tuesday night as we could fast forward commercials. Then we started watching it Tuesday morning before work, fast forwarding through the shit we weren't interested in. When it got to be Monday night at 11:40 and we had fast forwarded through 90% of the show, we decided that we were done. After watching every Monday night that we were home together from 2005 until 2014, and just ending it, the only times we have gone back were for a handful of things: We watched when Shane came back, but the next week we were gone again. We watched anytime Ronda Rousey was on the show, but then found out it was easier to just look up the clips on Youtube. And pretty much that's it. We watched the HHH episode when COVID hit just to see what was going to happen with him as the announcer, and it was great even though it only lasted one match. Then we watched the show where they pretty much were roasting him although it was meant to be serious. When Vince came out and pretty much squashed him at the end, leaving him in the ring and turning out the lights after rambling through his worst promo ever, we haven't seen one minute since.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Dynamite is a much weaker show since Kenny Omega went home. He must be a much bigger influence on Tony Khan's booking than was previously thought. The show is still decent, but there's something missing. A lot of in-ring promos the past two weeks, and the wrestling has slowed down a lot. Feels more and more like a WWE show.
Last night's show was as weak as any Dynamite I've ever seen. It still flew by because they just have a formula that works so much better than WWE's plodding style, but it was completely missable and just not well booked.
There were no compelling matches and no one needed to see Frankie Kazarian have a 10-minute match with Lance Archer when we all knew he was going to lose. That's one of the valid complaints Cornette always has, you don't need everyone to have a good match, sometimes you just need to get someone over. Archer didn't get over in his return in that match, and it wasn't even a good match even though they tried.
Everything else was basically an episode of Dark except the opening mixed tag match, which I know people will hate because they don't think Adam Cole should be in these situations. It was decent but there was a long-term storyline they could've used to bring Cole and Baker together on-camera, something meaningful that would've popped the crowd, and this shit isn't it. Right now, it's hurting them both because they're so over on their own they're bogging each other down by being a couple. Just allude to it on TV but keep them apart until there's a reason. AEW has been so good at that before, but I don't know what they're doing here. They learned nothing from the disastrous Seth Rollins-Becky Lynch team though.
Not sure how TBS feels about having AEW on the air live for 2 weeks now and already having Moxley drop an unbleeped f-bomb. I know they let "shit" fly regularly (overused), but this one has to get the company some heat. Other than that, I didn't really mind Moxley's promo because he has a unique style and should be allowed to be himself, and he was 100% real last night, that's just who he is. Some of these promos will hit more than others, but that shouldn't be suppressed. We only remember the gold from Piper, Blassie, etc. from the unscripted "good old days", but there was plenty more where I didn't know what they were talking about. Let these guys be themselves and they'll hit on something special at least half the time. The goal was to say Mox is back so mission accomplished and they can build to whatever is next for him slowly like they did with Punk. I was OK with it. Did anyone need to see it? No.
Then the main event could've been OK, but they did more WWE booking with the handicap match shit, and Sting shouldn't be holding his own for 5 minutes against 2 guys who's combined ages are still less than his. I hated that booking, and pretty much the whole show.
So yeah, this one was bad. I guess that KrazyKid is going to think I'm off the payroll now.
Meltzer is reporting that FTR were supposed to wrestle and were a medical protocol cut, so that's likely why Archer-Kazarian went so long. The Twitter consensus seems to be that it was the worst Dynamite ever. But it beat Raw in the 18-49 demo and beat both NBA games while being #1 on cable last night.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Bully Ray has trashed Moxley's promo last night, saying it had no accountability and was cliche with all the "demons" talk. He said he should've apologized to the fans for letting them down and not being there when many paid money to see him. He also said he should've been more direct in talking about his alcoholism. Bully said he comes from an era where lots of guys had similar issues and worse so he's not knocking him for the addiction, but he thinks he came off poorly with the actual promo.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Just about to start the Punk match. Show has been awful so far. The only positive I can take is the MJF promo backstage was OK and Wardlow is really good with the facial expressions.
Jericho was bad even for him. That mixed tag was so screwy from the very, very start. Match over in 5 seconds. As part of a longer story I guess it's not the worst thing. Christian beaten up in the weekly random backstage interview-turned-sneak attack. Last edited on Fri Jan 21st, 2022 11:42 pm by Jim_Irish
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Cody Rhodes is a fucking dickhead. He was told to 'save this promo'. Jesus christ, you just know he thought this was gonna be the greatest promo of his career.
They were close to turning him and making him a great heel. That was atrocious.
Am I just in a bad mood?
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They were close to turning him and making him a great heel. That was atrocious.
Am I just in a bad mood?
From your posts, I assume you are always in a bad mood when watching AEW! I thought it was a really bad show when know how good AEW can be, but as srossi said, at no point did it approach the levels of a bad or even a middling episode of Raw.
I thought Rampage last night was great.
Hook is a fascinating example to look at. He's is rookie, and he is incredibly over. Why? I really have no idea, and I don't think AEW really do either. But they are just going with it, and giving him some easy wins to give the fans who all want to cheer for him something to cheer. WWE take a new wrestler who is super over, change their gimmick, and have them lose, then wonder why they're not over any more. WWE coming up with a load of shitty ideas for Adam Cole, when AEW showed all you have to do it put him on TV as is.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22nd, 2022 10:47 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2273rd Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Cody Rhodes is a fucking dickhead. He was told to 'save this promo'. Jesus christ, you just know he thought this was gonna be the greatest promo of his career.
They were close to turning him and making him a great heel. That was atrocious.
Am I just in a bad mood?
From your posts, I assume you are always in a bad mood when watching AEW! I thought it was a really bad show when know how good AEW can be, but as srossi said, at no point did it approach the levels of a bad or even a middling episode of Raw.
I thought Rampage last night was great.
Hook is a fascinating example to look at. He's is rookie, and he is incredibly over. Why? I really have no idea, and I don't think AEW really do either. But they are just going with it, and giving him some easy wins to give the fans who all want to cheer for him something to cheer. WWE take a new wrestler who is super over, change their gimmick, and have them lose, then wonder why they're not over any more. WWE coming up with a load of shitty ideas for Adam Cole, when AEW showed all you have to do it put him on TV as is. I'm really not in a bad mood all the time 😂 but I think i might have been last night. I was pissed off watching it. I was tired so maybe I'm being harsh. And, like you, its been so very, very good at times that it frustrates me a lot when if see them put on subpar shows. Me and you have different tastes and there's stuff you like that I'd love to see cut completely and probably vice versa.
I'm not gonna compare it to the RAW of today, I'm not watching WWE at all save for the odd PPV when there's something on paper I think i might like. AEW now, bad and all as it can be at times, is better than any WWE Raw show I saw for years before I stopped watching completely.
But the show had been really great for a while and it's been patchy for the last maybe month or six weeks. Wednesday was a bad show and one of the Christmas shows was really bad too. I'm seriously underwhelmed with the AEW Adam Cole so far. And I think involving Britt Baker with him on screen could hurt her, and she is great IMO.
I will watch Rampage tonight or tomorrow. Hook is great, 100 per cent agree. Genuinely one of the best debuts I've ever seenI'm not fully sure why he's so over but the combination of look, attidue, unique style, and probably that he was sort of a joke for a year and then surprises everyone by being a machine in the ring. Also, he's a homegrown talent which AEW haven't had many (any?) stars who started there. I look forward to seeing him every time.
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But the show had been really great for a while and it's been patchy for the last maybe month or six weeks. Wednesday was a bad show and one of the Christmas shows was really bad too. I'm seriously underwhelmed with the AEW Adam Cole so far. And I think involving Britt Baker with him on screen could hurt her, and she is great IMO.
I really wonder if it's a coincidence that the shows haven't been so good since Kenny Omega went off the road.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: You could be onto something. I assume he is part of the booking team or at least has the ear of Tony Khan in a major way. But you are right, the shows have started to decline since then, after a great couple of months where I started making it my business to watch every week. First time in about twenty years I am able to say that.
Adam Page hasn't blown me away yet as champion. I'm not a huge Omega fan but he was a strong champion in every way and I'm looking forward to his return, whenever it is. So I think the world championship scene has suffered.
Actually, if they left in ALL the stuff I don't like I think that if there was better planning, consistency, formatting of the shows it would be an immediate improvement. At the moment it looks like each match is booked and the wrestlers in each match can do whatever they like, independent of every other match on the card.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22nd, 2022 05:58 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2276th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Cody Rhodes is a fucking dickhead. He was told to 'save this promo'. Jesus christ, you just know he thought this was gonna be the greatest promo of his career.
They were close to turning him and making him a great heel. That was atrocious.
Am I just in a bad mood?
Cody’s promo was one of the highlights of the show. Yes he’s a dickhead and I think that’s the point. His shot at Gunther was great though and the heel turn is a nice slow build that I’m now convinced is coming.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22nd, 2022 06:12 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2278th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: And just like that, Lio Rush is leaving AEW. He tweeted this morning that his contract expires on February 14. Probably best for the company to not have to deal with that guy.
I’m not going to feel bad when that asshole kills himself at all. Mental illness is a bitch but there are ways to deal with it and even on his semi-lucid moments he’s a a whiny little bitch.
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Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: Rossi, you are assuming that he is actually 100% mental. Personally, just based on how he acts, I say it’s 75% a work because like when Scott Hall faked a back injury by knowing exactly how to dupe the system, Rush has learned enough about his deal to do the same. He knows the proper terms and how to express his issues and no doubt he’s over the top on some of them just for the attention and to collect a paycheck without working hard. And I would bet Tony Khan caught on.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22nd, 2022 07:58 pm PM Quote Reply 2280th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Surely the best Lio Rush can do now is one-off spots at various indies, since he's shown that he's 100% unreliable, mental issues or no. If this is 75% a work, then he's working himself into obscurity. Without any proper exposure, he value can only go down. It's shame because he's really good in the ring.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22nd, 2022 08:17 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2281st Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: It’s sickening, but not surprising, how everyone on Twitter are defending him and bashing Tony Khan for everything from being racist to not caring about the mentally ill. This is what you get when you keep telling kids that identity politics is more important than actually adding value in the workplace. And you know how Khan could’ve avoided all this shit? By not hiring him in the first place. By giving him a 2nd and then a 3rd chance, he’s the bad guy.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22nd, 2022 09:48 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2282nd Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Aside from Lio Rush, upcoming AEW departures due to expired contracts will be Joey Janela, Brian Cage, and Marko Stunt. None are a surprise. In addition, Peter Avalon's contract has already been allowed to lapse and he has not been re-signed.
Joey Janela was the first AEW talent to have issues with the way he was booked dating back to the earliest episodes of Dynamite. He considered himself a huge indy name and immediately regretted signing to only wind up doing jobs. He no-showed one early AEW taping and asked for his release around that time, and it wasn't granted. Things seemed to be smoothed over to the point that Janela became a Dark staple working with and against Sonny Kiss and he eventually came to terms with his role in the company, but neither side have any interest in this contract being extended. Janela is the type of guy who could add value to Impact, and he also runs his own indy shows.
Brian Cage's wife, seemingly with his support, has been vocal about the way he has been booked for months. Cage was last used by AEW in October when he wrapped up his feud against Ricky Starks over the FTW title with a loss. He then went on the Jericho Cruise representing AEW, but never competed for the company proper again. He also seems to have expected a more prominent role than AEW ever planned for him. Cage believes there is interest from WWE, but he's 37 and WWE is cutting everyone around his age and gutting NXT, so he may be disappointed.
Marko Stunt was quietly removed from the Jurassic Express and from TV entirely in September, replaced by the much higher-profile Christian Cage. At his size, Stunt was never going to be more than a mascot and a novelty act, and sources indicate that the company realized he was holding Jungle Boy back, who they are very high on. He was a very indy signing who the company has outgrown.
Peter Avalon main evented for Championship Wrestling From Hollywood and worked as a comedy jobber for TNA. He was an AEW original who appeared prominently on PPVs before Dynamite even started. He's well-liked and a decent indy hand, but undersized and clearly a Young Bucks signing. He was given the comedic librarian gimmick which never got over and was always considered a weak spot on those early AEW PPVs. Once the company went to the weekly TV model, he all but disappeared and wound up exclusively on Dark. The door is open for him to continue to get paid per appearance to do jobs, but he is a free agent.
So the herd begins to thin for the first time, and you'll see more of that as the first batch of contracts continue to expire.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22nd, 2022 10:28 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2283rd Post krazykid18 The Prophet
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Kriss and Srossi still holding all the info to themselves on how to get some of that Khan money
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Posted: Sun Jan 23rd, 2022 12:56 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2284th Post kargol
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He was given the comedic librarian gimmick which never got over and was always considered a weak spot on those early AEW PPVs. Shared obviously with Leva Bates, who I think is also a trainer so may be OK. I have no idea though why nobody has used her properly, she got over in NXT by total accident by being a cute and upbeat (as well as beat-up) jobber, and hot librarian gimmicks are hot.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23rd, 2022 01:19 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2285th Post srossi
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He was given the comedic librarian gimmick which never got over and was always considered a weak spot on those early AEW PPVs. Shared obviously with Leva Bates, who I think is also a trainer so may be OK. I have no idea though why nobody has used her properly, she got over in NXT by total accident by being a cute and upbeat (as well as beat-up) jobber, and hot librarian gimmicks are hot.
Not sure what happened with her but she wasn’t used for almost a full year, and AEW doesn’t typically just bench people. She had her last AEW match in March before showing up again just last week. So perhaps she was injured or maybe she actually retired and is a full-time trainer now who was used again because someone no-showed. She’s 38.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23rd, 2022 03:00 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2286th Post BitterOldMan
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Posted: Sun Jan 23rd, 2022 03:22 pm PM Quote Reply 2287th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/448.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu448')">BitterOldMana> wrote: At this juncture with all the crap being stirred recently, could AEW decline to renew Sonny Kiss'es deal and not be publicly excoriated?
A few keyboard warriors on Twitter does not a public excoriation make. The reception to Lio Rush being released was, at best mixed. It seemed to me that more people were defending AEW on Twitter. If not defending the decision, but defending the right to make the decision.
The minor news sites and the "aggregators" need a constant stream of click-bait, so they report on this nonsense, but if you look at the sites which take this a little more seriously, there's no real negative reaction from fans. With all the talk of "I'll never watch WWE again" I don't think all the releases of 2020-2021 had any impact on ratings.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23rd, 2022 03:23 pm PM Quote Reply 2288th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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He was given the comedic librarian gimmick which never got over and was always considered a weak spot on those early AEW PPVs. Shared obviously with Leva Bates, who I think is also a trainer so may be OK. I have no idea though why nobody has used her properly, she got over in NXT by total accident by being a cute and upbeat (as well as beat-up) jobber, and hot librarian gimmicks are hot.
Not sure what happened with her but she wasn’t used for almost a full year, and AEW doesn’t typically just bench people. She had her last AEW match in March before showing up again just last week. So perhaps she was injured or maybe she actually retired and is a full-time trainer now who was used again because someone no-showed. She’s 38.
Is she a trainer? I thought she dealt with travel and accommodation for the wrestlers.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23rd, 2022 06:04 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2289th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/46.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu46')">kargola> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote:
He was given the comedic librarian gimmick which never got over and was always considered a weak spot on those early AEW PPVs. Shared obviously with Leva Bates, who I think is also a trainer so may be OK. I have no idea though why nobody has used her properly, she got over in NXT by total accident by being a cute and upbeat (as well as beat-up) jobber, and hot librarian gimmicks are hot.
Not sure what happened with her but she wasn’t used for almost a full year, and AEW doesn’t typically just bench people. She had her last AEW match in March before showing up again just last week. So perhaps she was injured or maybe she actually retired and is a full-time trainer now who was used again because someone no-showed. She’s 38.
Is she a trainer? I thought she dealt with travel and accommodation for the wrestlers.
Not sure. I never heard that, I only know she has a backstage role. I could be wrong that she’s a trainer.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23rd, 2022 06:11 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2290th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/448.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu448')">BitterOldMana> wrote: At this juncture with all the crap being stirred recently, could AEW decline to renew Sonny Kiss'es deal and not be publicly excoriated?
I don’t watch Dark so I can’t comment on Sonny Kiss’ progression. I saw him way back in Lucha Underground and thought he was OK and has potential, but that was only a handful of pre-taped and possibly edited matches. In AEW, he has been routinely singled out as a very weak worker not ready for that stage, and the fact that he’s been relegated to Dark all this time might confirm that (of course others like Janela have met the same fate so it’s not necessarily an indicator of his work). Maybe some people knock him just because he’s trans. He was very vocal that he trains and changes with the women, which they have no problem with supposedly. Like I said, I don’t really know how his work has improved or regressed. But overall opinion is that he’s not very good. I don’t see why he would be renewed based on how little they use him, or how it could be a surprise to anyone. It might be too progressive even for AEW to have him join the women’s division, which seems to be what he wants, and even there his work may not be good enough because the women have gotten so much better in the last year.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23rd, 2022 06:29 pm PM Quote Reply 2291st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/448.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu448')">BitterOldMana> wrote: At this juncture with all the crap being stirred recently, could AEW decline to renew Sonny Kiss'es deal and not be publicly excoriated?
I don’t watch Dark so I can’t comment on Sonny Kiss’ progression. I saw him way back in Lucha Underground and thought he was OK and has potential, but that was only a handful of pre-taped and possibly edited matches. In AEW, he has been routinely singled out as a very weak worker not ready for that stage, and the fact that he’s been relegated to Dark all this time might confirm that (of course others like Janela have met the same fate so it’s not necessarily an indicator of his work). Maybe some people knock him just because he’s trans. He was very vocal that he trains and changes with the women, which they have no problem with supposedly. Like I said, I don’t really know how his work has improved or regressed. But overall opinion is that he’s not very good. I don’t see why he would be renewed based on how little they use him, or how it could be a surprise to anyone. It might be too progressive even for AEW to have him join the women’s division, which seems to be what he wants, and even there his work may not be good enough because the women have gotten so much better in the last year.
He's had a feud with Janella which just recently finished with a street fight on Dark. That match was OK, but mostly because of all the bells and whistles. He also has done some backstage work with choreographing dance routines on PPVs, most notably the awesome Lucha Brothers entrance from last year. He would be a better fit in Impact, though, given how regularly they have inter-gender matches. Not to get lost in the weeds on gender identity, I don't see Kiss working in the AEW women's division.
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Posted: Mon Jan 24th, 2022 05:15 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2292nd Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: And just like that, Lio Rush is leaving AEW. He tweeted this morning that his contract expires on February 14. Probably best for the company to not have to deal with that guy.
I’m not going to feel bad when that asshole kills himself at all. Mental illness is a bitch but there are ways to deal with it and even on his semi-lucid moments he’s a a whiny little bitch.
Lio Rush was the surprise replacement for Jonathan Gresham at last night's GCW Hammerstein Ballroom show, taking on Blake Christian. AEW might have sent him as a replacement for Eddie Kingston, who himself couldn't make the show.
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Posted: Tue Jan 25th, 2022 12:38 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2293rd Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: It's a shame Lio Rush is apparently so fucked up. He looks good from anything I've seen of him.But anyone him at this stage is asking for trouble.
Wasn't Brian Cage kind of put over as a big deal in the early days of AEW? I'd forgotten about him as I don't think he's been on Dynamite or Rampage since I started watching again. Is he any good?
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Posted: Wed Jan 26th, 2022 07:21 am PM Quote Reply 2294th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Wheeler Yuta vs Penta on Dark last night was really good. Definitely worth a watch if you have a spare 10 minutes. (29:30 if the link doesn't cue up the match straight away)
<A HREF="https://youtu.be/FkCnNeg4nZ8?t=1771" TARGET="_blank">https://youtu.be/FkCnNeg4nZ8?t=1771A>
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Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Wheeler Yuta vs Penta on Dark last night was really good. Definitely worth a watch if you have a spare 10 minutes. (29:30 if the link doesn't cue up the match straight away)
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The link took me right to it. Anyone who shits on Excalibur for having the rolodex of maneuvers at the ready can't tout Gordon Solie as being any different. There's a joviality amongst Excalibur, Taz and Mark Henry that works well and still covers the fine points of the match. A few weeks ago Excalibur was selling the arrival of the AEW Upper Deck trading cards and after he named some of the wrestlers in the series, Jericho asked him if there was an Excalibur card and he immediately switched to being a crestfallen, forgotten man as he replied 'No". It was great because it plays so well into the idea out there that he comes off as self-important and doesn't "deserve" the job he has.
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The link took me right to it. Anyone who shits on Excalibur for having the rolodex of maneuvers at the ready can't tout Gordon Solie as being any different. There's a joviality amongst Excalibur, Taz and Mark Henry that works well and still covers the fine points of the match. A few weeks ago Excalibur was selling the arrival of the AEW Upper Deck trading cards and after he named some of the wrestlers in the series, Jericho asked him if there was an Excalibur card and he immediately switched to being a crestfallen, forgotten man as he replied 'No". It was great because it plays so well into the idea out there that he comes off as self-important and doesn't "deserve" the job he has. I've only had two beefs with Excalibur. I don't like his voice - that is something he cannot change. There is zero doubt that he's truly happy and excited calling the action, the only time I can say I remember anything that seemed way too over the top was when Matt Hardy debuted to the empty Daily's Place and Excalibur was putting it over like 50,000 people were losing their shit and he was in tune with them. The second beef I have with him is that he seems to know everything even if his broadcast colleagues along with us watching from home have no clue. I remember "It's the BUTCHER...and the BLADE...and THERE'S THE BUNNY!!!". Shit, the week before she was Allie and now she's the Bunny with no reason why? And this dickbag knows all about it? It's different with Tommy End - he had been announcing on his social media that he was going to be Malakai Black, so I just chalked that up as Excalibur proving that he was well prepared. Other than those two things, Excalibur has in my opinion continually gotten better. It cannot hurt that he's working with some true pros in JR, Tony, and Taz. Taz is one of the most underrated announcing talents of this day if you think about it. He has seamlessly blended into every announcing team he's been a part of and has made his place without ever overshadowing his partner, but also not getting pushed down and/or silenced by his partner. He worked so well with Michael Cole that Cole earned a ton of respect within WWE, then just as easily as he made that work, he meshed with Mike Tenay - who couldn't be any more different than Michael Cole if he tried.
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Posted: Wed Jan 26th, 2022 03:52 pm PM Quote Reply 2297th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: The second beef I have with him is that he seems to know everything even if his broadcast colleagues along with us watching from home have no clue. I remember "It's the BUTCHER...and the BLADE...and THERE'S THE BUNNY!!!". Shit, the week before she was Allie and now she's the Bunny with no reason why? And this dickbag knows all about it?
That was over two years ago!
He's improved so much since the early PPVS and the first few Dynamite shows. He's an integral part of the show now. I didn't miss JR when he was away, but I'd miss Excalibur.
Not that anyone cares, but here's my ranking of the AEW commentators and wrestlers who commentate regularly.
1 - Excalibur 2 - Taz 3 - Tony Schiavone 4 - Jim Ross in a good mood 5 - Ricky Starks 6 - Eddie Kingston 7 - Mark Henry 8 - Chris Jericho 9 - Jim Ross in a bad mood 10 - Paul Wight Last edited on Wed Jan 26th, 2022 03:57 pm by Kriss
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Wheeler Yuta vs Penta on Dark last night was really good. Definitely worth a watch if you have a spare 10 minutes. (29:30 if the link doesn't cue up the match straight away)
<A HREF="https://youtu.be/FkCnNeg4nZ8?t=1771" TARGET="_blank">https://youtu.be/FkCnNeg4nZ8?t=1771A>
The link took me right to it. Anyone who shits on Excalibur for having the rolodex of maneuvers at the ready can't tout Gordon Solie as being any different. There's a joviality amongst Excalibur, Taz and Mark Henry that works well and still covers the fine points of the match. A few weeks ago Excalibur was selling the arrival of the AEW Upper Deck trading cards and after he named some of the wrestlers in the series, Jericho asked him if there was an Excalibur card and he immediately switched to being a crestfallen, forgotten man as he replied 'No". It was great because it plays so well into the idea out there that he comes off as self-important and doesn't "deserve" the job he has. I've only had two beefs with Excalibur. I don't like his voice - that is something he cannot change. There is zero doubt that he's truly happy and excited calling the action, the only time I can say I remember anything that seemed way too over the top was when Matt Hardy debuted to the empty Daily's Place and Excalibur was putting it over like 50,000 people were losing their shit and he was in tune with them. The second beef I have with him is that he seems to know everything even if his broadcast colleagues along with us watching from home have no clue. I remember "It's the BUTCHER...and the BLADE...and THERE'S THE BUNNY!!!". Shit, the week before she was Allie and now she's the Bunny with no reason why? And this dickbag knows all about it? It's different with Tommy End - he had been announcing on his social media that he was going to be Malakai Black, so I just chalked that up as Excalibur proving that he was well prepared. Other than those two things, Excalibur has in my opinion continually gotten better. It cannot hurt that he's working with some true pros in JR, Tony, and Taz. Taz is one of the most underrated announcing talents of this day if you think about it. He has seamlessly blended into every announcing team he's been a part of and has made his place without ever overshadowing his partner, but also not getting pushed down and/or silenced by his partner. He worked so well with Michael Cole that Cole earned a ton of respect within WWE, then just as easily as he made that work, he meshed with Mike Tenay - who couldn't be any more different than Michael Cole if he tried.
Excalibur is great. He gets a little too bogged down in the technical names of the moves sometimes, but that works fine on this announce team because that's his niche and JR and Schiavone are there to do something completely different. He's integrating a bit better into the team as he gets more comfortable. At first, it seemed that JR didn't like him (he gets in moods both on and off air where he doesn't seem to like anyone or anything though) and it was a bit weird with JR and Schiavone essentially talking to each other with Excalibur occasionally screaming "Orihara moonsault!" on top of them. They seem like a real team now, and with Taz he works even much better because Taz will actually talk to him and joke with him and bring out his personality beyond just being an autistic encyclopedia of moves.
Taz is indeed as good an announcer as you can get. He's an excellent color man, but then when he starts doing play-by-play he's the best at making you "feel" the moves and what they do since Solie. Excalibur just knows the names, Solie and Taz call it like a shoot and tell you why it works and how it hurts. I love that. And Taz is never more motivated than when he calls his son's matches, and I think a big reason why Hook is over is because of how Taz takes over on commentary and puts over his offense. He does it with other guys too and has been helping people get over for years of course, but it really shows with Hook. And Taz is always just Taz. He likes what he does and it shows, but he's going to do exactly what wants to do and tell you to fuck off whenever he feels like that, and that's why he sounds exactly the same and just as good in AEW as WWE or TNA. He knows he's good and he's not going to be "produced" from backstage. He never let Cole or Vince push him around with that nonsense.
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Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: Taz showed how acute he was as a commentator when he called that Daniel Puder had got Angle up a stick in that Original NXT challenge on Smackdown. To me it looked like a tangle of limbs. To Taz it was a shoot move that was impossible to escape.
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When Yuta applied an elevated octopus hold as a squidagatame or whatever it was, Mark Henry says, "I can't pronounce that" just a little slower than his natural delivery, which is a perfect impression of someone who doesn't care to try to learn anything new and digs their heels in. Excalibur then dials it down and calls "elevated octopus hold" as if someone switched to a translator feature on their remote. Each guy can be entertaining and informative, and having enough freedom to mix and match humor with straightforward commentary is refreshing. Taz and his surly demeanor belies the very unique way he allows much of the commentary to flow because he simply sets up a response by directing who he would like to respond. "You know, Tony..." or "so tell me Excalibur..." goes a long way and being courteous in this way is subtly generating a respect for each commentator's perspective for the viewers.
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Chris Van Vliet has interview clips with Wardlow posted on his CVV Clips channel, which is different than the main channel that hosts his full length interviews. Unlike his stoic bodyguard character, the short segments show him to be well-spoken and happy in the spot he's gotten, while confident in his abilities. I'm rooting for him professionally, even if they would choose to keep him as the muscle for MJF instead of what appears to be an imminent breakup. There could be something to a story where leaving MJF's employ would be disastrous for him, instead of retelling the Virgil story coming out from under Ted DiBiase's thumb. Similar to the case of the 65-year old thugs working for the top heel in a mob film; you have sympathy that he's getting clobbered by Jean-Claude Van Damme but he dug his own grave for staying loyal for too long... Wardlow's got the facial expressions that say more than any mic time he might be given, anyway.
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Chris Van Vliet has interview clips with Wardlow posted on his CVV Clips channel, which is different than the main channel that hosts his full length interviews. Unlike his stoic bodyguard character, the short segments show him to be well-spoken and happy in the spot he's gotten, while confident in his abilities. I'm rooting for him professionally, even if they would choose to keep him as the muscle for MJF instead of what appears to be an imminent breakup. There could be something to a story where leaving MJF's employ would be disastrous for him, instead of retelling the Virgil story coming out from under Ted DiBiase's thumb. Similar to the case of the 65-year old thugs working for the top heel in a mob film; you have sympathy that he's getting clobbered by Jean-Claude Van Damme but he dug his own grave for staying loyal for too long... Wardlow's got the facial expressions that say more than any mic time he might be given, anyway.
He's more Diesel than Virgil. I think he will do well.
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Here it is: <A HREF="https://twitter.com/aew/status/1486508975092912128?s=21" TARGET="_blank">
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Here it is: <A HREF="https://twitter.com/aew/status/1486508975092912128?s=21" TARGET="_blank">
Yeah man, totally agree. Me and my youngest son are watching and we rewound it like 5x, badass move and damn it got one helluva crowd pop to boot.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Another good MJF-Punk promo segment. Not as good as some of the others but these guys can’t have a bad one. I guess Punk left WWE in Cleveland with a no-show, where they are tonight, and MJF referenced that. When the match finally happens next week in Chicago it’s going to be electric. I don’t think cheap finishes work as well these days, but that match really needs to be a quick DQ to build to something else because they can stretch this out for months longer without either man taking a loss.
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I wouldn’t put MJF anywhere near the World title picture for a long time. He doesn’t need the belt and I don’t want to see him lose a title match either. He should eventually beat Punk and then move into the Wardlow program and find a way to beat him too, nothing clean though.
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I wouldn’t put MJF anywhere near the World title picture for a long time. He doesn’t need the belt and I don’t want to see him lose a title match either. He should eventually beat Punk and then move into the Wardlow program and find a way to beat him too, nothing clean though.
I was pretty sure that Adam Cole was going to be the next contender for the world title after Hangman Page gets through Lance Archer before last night. He's the number one ranked contender and had a good win streak going. I know that technically his loss last night doesn't count, but of course, it does. No idea who Page faces at the next PPV now. Moxley? Last edited on Thu Jan 27th, 2022 08:27 am by Kriss
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: A really good episode of Dynamite last night. The opener was a PPV quality, five star match for me, and the closing match was great fun as well. The only negative for me was the Britt Baker promo. Long and rambling, like a drunk uncle making a speech at a wedding. I have no clue about US sports, so I had no idea what the fuck she was talking about. That kind of promo should be saved for the live crowd and be nowhere near TV. I was waiting for the interruption (or the hook) but it just never came. But, hey, a small inconvenience on what was overwhelmingly a return to form for Dynamite.
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Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: A really good episode of Dynamite last night. The opener was a PPV quality, five star match for me, and the closing match was great fun as well. The only negative for me was the Britt Baker promo. Long and rambling, like a drunk uncle making a speech at a wedding. I have no clue about US sports, so I had no idea what the fuck she was talking about. That kind of promo should be saved for the live crowd and be nowhere near TV. I was waiting for the interruption (or the hook) but it just never came. But, hey, a small inconvenience on what was overwhelmingly a return to form for Dynamite.
Agreed, just a really good show that flew by as always. Like you said the opener was great, the Punk/MJF was solid as always, and I am interested to see if they turn Jericho back heel since it looks like he’s finally splitting from Santana and Ortiz. Jericho is very stale and has been for awhile now so he needs to change something up. Danhausen made his debut but I don’t know much about the guy, and I was really expecting Johnny Gargano to debut as well since he’s from Cleveland.
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I wouldn’t put MJF anywhere near the World title picture for a long time. He doesn’t need the belt and I don’t want to see him lose a title match either. He should eventually beat Punk and then move into the Wardlow program and find a way to beat him too, nothing clean though.
I was pretty sure that Adam Cole was going to be the next contender for the world title after Hangman Page gets through Lance Archer before last night. He's the number one ranked contender and had a good win streak going. I know that technically his loss last night doesn't count, but of course, it does. No idea who Page faces at the next PPV now. Moxley?
I assume they will go back to Moxley vs. Danielson at the PPV, since that match was supposed to take place the day Moxley went into rehab. Back then Danielson was still a face I think, so this will be more interesting anyway.
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Gargano's wife is due any day now, so he's not returning anywhere until probably a month or two after it's born. He's said many times he wants this time between contracts as a paternity leave.
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Gargano's wife is due any day now, so he's not returning anywhere until probably a month or two after it's born. He's said many times he wants this time between contracts as a paternity leave.
There were "Johnny Wrestling" chants last night and Gargano posted this on Twitter:
“I heard you and you have no idea how much it means to me that you’re excited to see me back at it.
It’s scary to step away because your insecurities say “they’ll forget about you”.. but you haven’t forgotten and I promise that I will make it up to you asap. #JohnnyWrestling” Last edited on Thu Jan 27th, 2022 02:49 pm by Kriss
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Gargano's wife is due any day now, so he's not returning anywhere until probably a month or two after it's born. He's said many times he wants this time between contracts as a paternity leave.
There were "Johnny Wrestling" chants last night and Gargano posted this on Twitter:
“I heard you and you have no idea how much it means to me that you’re excited to see me back at it.
It’s scary to step away because your insecurities say “they’ll forget about you”.. but you haven’t forgotten and I promise that I will make it up to you asap. #JohnnyWrestling”
Well that sounds like confirmation he's going to AEW and not returning to WWE.
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They really can't. Just watched it and thought it was incredible again. Maybe not the best but top class all the same.
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Did you notice Jim Ross pointing out some things that didn’t make sense on Dynamite this week, like when Kris Statander just stopped rather than keep pursuing Layla Hirsch?
I did, and I love it. If I am calling a match and something makes no sense, I would want to say it too. The WWE announcers can’t, but JR can. In the case you mentioned, I always wondered the same thing. Red Velvet was saved and behind Kris. Why wouldn’t she keep chasing Layla, even if it’s only to ask what the hell is wrong with her?
Could Adam Cole have looked any worse on Dynamite? Orange Cassidy wasn’t even holding him with much force, but he stood there and did nothing before he got thrown to the ground.
That was hard to watch and partly why I hate the Orange gimmick. Cole should have punched him in the face or head butted him, something! He stood there not being restrained and allowed himself to be destroyed. I hated that finish. It made Cole look so weak.
And why is Orange Cassidy beating Adam Cole anyway?
I know Tony Khan is a big Orange fan so that is probably why. And you know, I wouldn’t have as much of an issue if Orange had won with fire instead of the lame way he got control of Cole. But as I always say, if fans like it, it doesn’t matter what I think.
What was the point of Britt Baker’s promo on Dynamite, why didn’t they use it to set up her next opponent, it seemed like a complete waste of time to me.
Well, she got to crap on Cleveland. That seemed like the main point of it to me. I agree, if you are going to do a promo that is that cocky, someone should come out and respond. And if they aren't going to have someone come out, there is no need to let it go on that long.
The ladder match between Cody and Sammy actually scared me at times with some of the things that they did. I know that they are trained but the human body can only take so much. Does it ever worry you that we will someone get paralyzed, or worse, doing the things that some of the wrestlers do today?
In a word, yes. The bar has been raised so high that it just seems like a matter of time until someone gets really hurt and I don’t want to see it. But the flip side is that the talent are adults and they choose to do it. I remember once I said to New Jack that his spots were getting crazier and crazier. We were at the PPV in Danbury and he was showing me the long fall he was set to do with Vic Grimes (which sure didn’t go as planned). I said to him, “Jack, I don’t want to have to write your obituary.” I still remember what he said. “If I die doing it, it’s because that is what I chose to do. And if I die, you will write about it, because that’s what you chose to do.”
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: By the way, Meltzer gave the ladder match 5 stars, the first ever that either Cody or Sammy received. I thought it was great but the 5 star rating is being way overused now.
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I enjoyed this Barstool Wrestling interview with Malakai Black.
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Not everybody can put the kind of layers Black is talking about to get a character work the way it is conceived and envisioned. The discussion goes into the idea of wrestlers wanting to be motivated by something, be it titles or money or acclaim. I was impressed with his concept being that an arc for an individual's story doesn't have to be the same motivation, and fans can be along for the ride in whatever is going on with them currently. The dichotomy of that mindset with WWE, who cultivate their golden tickets as means for the talent to all jump through the same hoops to achieve, is showcased here in the nicest way possible.
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Right, all of the the Flair/Steamboat 89 series were better than this and but this match was rated higher. And I really liked this match, but when I see these 5 star ratings being thrown around I always go back to the classic matches we all remember and them not being rated as highly as current matches. I know it’s comparing apples to oranges because of the difference in time periods and wrestling styles, but you should be able to compare 5 stars to 5 stars regardless of when the matches took place.
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The Feb. 2 episode of Dynamite opens with a solid contest between Jon Moxley and Wheeler Yuta, accompanied by Orange Cassidy and Danhausen. Moxley with the W but Yuta showed lots of promise throughout, much improved from their match a few months back.
Post-bout Mox is confronted by Danielson who cut a 5-minute promo that cut right to the heart of who he feels has promise in AEW and how a pairing of Mox & Danielson would allow some of that cherry-picked talent to advance the right way and build wrestling's future while cementing their legacies. Daniel Garcia, Yuta and Lee Moriarty were among those Danielson mentioned.
In just a few minutes Danielson spoke to the mindset of those who mentally dissect the unsung heroes from the fluff that's currently in place. The promo is a companion piece to those watching Triple H's version of NXT being sold for parts or outright salvage. While one creation is being dismantled like looted art galleries in wartime, another is hinted at with popular ring generals providing the way. Intruiging way to start the first chapter of a story between Mox and Danielson that could have a lengthy story arc if they so choose.
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Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: A fun little promo battle between Brandi Rhodes and Dan Lambert concludes with Lambert sending Paige VanZant out and there is a brief skirmish. The locker room empties with mostly women in non-wrestling attire to separate them. I didn't recognize any of them, but it was an awesome way to do a fashion show. Nobody was clamoring to see Rene Goulet and Jay Strongbow here.
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Posted: Thu Feb 3rd, 2022 04:59 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2327th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: What a match between Punk and MJF. More wrestling a storytelling in this one match than on Raw and NXT combined this week.
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Joined: Thu Jun 30th, 2016 Location: Chicago, Illinois USA Posts: 1134 Status: Offline Mana: I'll apologize for covering old ground but thanks to botchamania I was finally able to clearly hear the taunt that led to Moxley dropping an F bomb and getting someone kicked out.
"Get a garbage truck and get that trash out of the ring"
It was not anything obscene or personal and it sounds to me like a fairly harmless taunt. How this would warrant the actions that Moxley took is beyond me and indicates that the guy is really kind of a pussy. Last edited on Thu Feb 3rd, 2022 10:32 am by BitterOldMan
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Might be the only gimmick that Jim Cornette and Vince Russo would agree upon.
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Posted: Thu Feb 3rd, 2022 11:23 am PM Quote Reply 2330th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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Might be the only gimmick that Jim Cornette and Vince Russo would agree upon.
They'd both agree that you stayed up way too late past your bed time tonight.
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Posted: Thu Feb 3rd, 2022 03:41 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2331st Post krazykid18 The Prophet
Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: What a match between Punk and MJF. More wrestling a storytelling in this one match than on Raw and NXT combined this week.
Was a lil too long for my liking and the restart while understood why they did it to add more heat and give the crowd the feeling Punk would win but it wasn't needed, again the Wardlow stuff it is too overbooked for my liking....
AEW cameras needs better direction, we shouldn't see MJF thanking CM Punk for giving him the rub and carrying him to a good match.. Last edited on Thu Feb 3rd, 2022 03:41 pm by krazykid18
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: What a match between Punk and MJF. More wrestling a storytelling in this one match than on Raw and NXT combined this week.
Just watched the show. Brilliant, from two absolutely brilliant workers. They do that not many do and it shows up a lot of the rest.
Also a great example of how an excellent match can happen in spite of a bad commentary team, a little but of screwy booking and probably the worst referee I've ever seen in my life.
AEW normally drop angles after one match but they can't do it here. This stuff is too good and these guys are perfect for one another. Last edited on Fri Feb 4th, 2022 01:03 am by Jim_Irish
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First match was OK, Moxley's marches aren't annoying me so far since he's been back. Danielson was great as always.
Tag match was pretty good I thought, though I don't like the angle at all. Skipped the women's match. Man, that Lance Archer gets blown up very very easily. The crowd was great for the Brandi shit show. Lambert was funny, despite way too much insider talk from both of them.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: And maybe I don't need to say this but MJF wrestles so little and talks so much I think some people may not appreciate how good he is in the ring. He's amazing.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Lars Frederickson of Rancid was obviously at Dynamite last night and was shown on camera several times. He’s the one who tweeted at Ruby Riott even before she signed with AEW that she could use the Ruby Soho name and song for free. And believe it or not, he just met her in person for the first time last night. He did all that just because he was a fan. He put AEW over big and also Tony Schiavone:
“Ok. This was another big moment for me. Thanks @tonyschiavone24 for being such a down to earth rad guy. Took the time to meet me and talk to me and I’ll never forget it. He was one of the voices of my childhood. @aew rules. I love this stuff”
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Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Lars Frederickson of Rancid was obviously at Dynamite last night and was shown on camera several times. He’s the one who tweeted at Ruby Riott even before she signed with AEW that she could use the Ruby Soho name and song for free. And believe it or not, he just met her in person for the first time last night. He did all that just because he was a fan. He put AEW over big and also Tony Schiavone:
“Ok. This was another big moment for me. Thanks @tonyschiavone24 for being such a down to earth rad guy. Took the time to meet me and talk to me and I’ll never forget it. He was one of the voices of my childhood. @aew rules. I love this stuff”
Such an easy thing for Schiavone to have a good time meeting and have a positive interaction with Lars, and Lars genuinely appreciated it. No way something like this happens in WWE these days. They have to micromanage and overproduce everything so much that nothing is organic anymore.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: From everything I've read today, I'd be very surprised if we don't see Keith Lee in AEW very soon.
What did you read?
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What did you read?
Lee's 90 days expired yesterday. Meltzer said he may already be signed in the way he says things that he knows but isn't supposed to say outright. Tony Khan did an interview and said that he had signed new wrestlers who will debut very soon. He also said the Forbidden Door will be opening again. Okay is coming eventually, I think, but they might be waiting for Omega to return for that. Might be Josh Alexander.
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What did you read?
Lee's 90 days expired yesterday. Meltzer said he may already be signed in the way he says things that he knows but isn't supposed to say outright. Tony Khan did an interview and said that he had signed new wrestlers who will debut very soon. He also said the Forbidden Door will be opening again. Okay is coming eventually, I think, but they might be waiting for Omega to return for that. Might be Josh Alexander.
They name-dropped Alexander this week and no one deserves the exposure more than him. He’s the most anonymous top worker in the business today. I hope this means they’ll pick up the relationship with Impact again, but at the moment their shows are already dominated by ROH and NJPW talent and WWE ass-kissing so there’s not much room left for AEW guys to come back too.
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Posted: Sun Feb 6th, 2022 03:58 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2342nd Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: From everything I've read today, I'd be very surprised if we don't see Keith Lee in AEW very soon.
Lee and Mia Yim got married today. Lots of names being thrown out as far as the surprise on Wednesday, but Khan clarified that “Forbidden Door” applies to ex-WWE talents today (which I don’t agree with, but it’s his term now basically), so I’m guessing it’s him. Although speculation has gotten so out of control now with even Shane McMahon being given as a viable candidate, abs Bray and Braun mentioned a lot too, that I think Keith Lee might be a letdown even though he’s a perfectly credible signing.
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MJF uses all outlets possible to discuss the Punk match:
<A HREF="https://twitter.com/robfee/status/1490470727434207232" TARGET="_blank">A>
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MJF uses all outlets possible to discuss the Punk match:
<A HREF="https://twitter.com/robfee/status/1490470727434207232" TARGET="_blank">A>
MJF cuts better promos for personal friends than anyone in WWE can on their actual shows.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: That is good stuff. I saw him do one of these a long while back and it was great too. He's not lying when he says he's the fastest rising star in wrestling.
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In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Tony Khan made the following comments about the new signing to debut on Dynamite tomorrow:
"It’s a huge signing for us. I have created some debate about what it means to open the ‘Forbidden Door,’ and that’s what we are going to do on this show. The fans are going to get a great night of wrestling, and I hope everyone is surprised—and comes back for the matches this sets up.
I’m continually looking to improve the roster and bring in new stars and create fresh matchups, and that’s what you’re going to see this Wednesday. We now have such a strong roster of wrestlers under contract that we can put fresh, exciting matches on Dynamite every Wednesday on TBS and Rampage [every Friday] on TNT.
It’s going to be a big reveal on Dynamite. It sets up this week’s Rampage and puts a lot of irons in our fire. We have created an environment in AEW where people routinely expect great wrestling matches, and we have the wrestlers to live up to those high expectations."
He also commented on last week's segment with Bryan Danielson and Jon Moxley:
"I was very impressed and thrilled with the excitement and the buzz of Danielson and Moxley in the ring together. We’ve been building to that moment, and people are very interested in what Danielson had to say and Moxley’s reaction to it. When our fans respond, I’m always listening.
Off-screen, Bryan is such a valuable resource. I recently asked him and Jade Cargill, who is already starting an amazing run as our TBS champion, to work together. I think Bryan is the world’s greatest pro wrestler, and he has such valuable insight. Jade is incredibly driven, and Bryan’s been a great mentor to her so far."
<A HREF="https://www.si.com/wrestling/2022/02/08/tony-khan-aew-dynamite-surprise-free-agent-signing" TARGET="_blank">https://www.si.com/wrestling/2022/02/08/tony-khan-aew-dynamite-surprise-free-agent-signingA>
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tony Khan has double-downed that tonight's AEW surprise is MAJOR, so he is stoking the flames of anticipation. AEW hasn't failed to deliver yet on one of these, but it will be hard to top Punk or Danielson so that immediately creates the probablity of a letdown. Almost impossible names like John Cena, The Rock, and Shane McMahon have been thrown out there, which would make even Bray Wyatt or Kazuchika Okada seem disappointing in comparison. But some of the more minor names like Josh Alexander and Jay White are probably out, unless he is prepared for a major backlash.
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Posted: Wed Feb 9th, 2022 08:18 pm PM Quote Reply 2348th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tony Khan has double-downed that tonight's AEW surprise is MAJOR, so he is stoking the flames of anticipation. AEW hasn't failed to deliver yet on one of these, but it will be hard to top Punk or Danielson so that immediately creates the probablity of a letdown. Almost impossible names like John Cena, The Rock, and Shane McMahon have been thrown out there, which would make even Bray Wyatt or Kazuchika Okada seem disappointing in comparison. But some of the more minor names like Josh Alexander and Jay White are probably out, unless he is prepared for a major backlash.
I'm predicting he'll do a Paul Heyman style surprise. Jason Alexander to debut as the mystery opponent, but Keith Lee turns up at the end of the show. Whoever it ends up being, I think they'll be a second surprise at the end of the show. They learnt their lesson, I think, when Christian Cage was a let-down after a lot a of hype. Last edited on Wed Feb 9th, 2022 08:19 pm by Kriss
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I'm predicting he'll do a Paul Heyman style surprise. Jason Alexander to debut as the mystery opponent, but Keith Lee turns up at the end of the show. Whoever it ends up being, I think they'll be a second surprise at the end of the show. They learnt their lesson, I think, when Christian Cage was a let-down after a lot a of hype.
If Jason Alexander shows up, that's way bigger than Keith Lee.
In all seriousness, it needs to be someone better than Keith Lee. He's a guy with some indy buzz who had a decent NXT run and a failed WWE run. That's not a MAJOR surprise even on the scale of Christian. That's the bare minimum, a notch above Bobby Fish.
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Could it be one of the top Japanese guys coming in? Okada? I'm not following Japanese wrestling so have no idea if that is really even possible. Last edited on Wed Feb 9th, 2022 09:32 pm by Jim_Irish
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if he'd tone it down a bit it would be a BIG deal if it were Strowman or someone like that but honestly he's hyping it up so much to me anyway if it's anyone other than Shane it's a big letdown.. A wrestler who was cut or their contract ran out with WWE isn't really "forbidden door"...but Vince's son coming in? Now THAT'S forbidden door shit..
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Could it be one of the top Japanese guys coming in? Okada? I'm not following Japanese wrestling so have no idea if that is really even possible.
Okada can come at any time due to the relationship with NJPW, but Covid makes this stuff harder. I’d consider his arrival huge, but some casual fans who don’t follow Japan closely will be disappointed and would think Hardy is a bigger name. He’s clearly the best wrestler in the world by a good margin though.
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if he'd tone it down a bit it would be a BIG deal if it were Strowman or someone like that but honestly he's hyping it up so much to me anyway if it's anyone other than Shane it's a big letdown.. A wrestler who was cut or their contract ran out with WWE isn't really "forbidden door"...but Vince's son coming in? Now THAT'S forbidden door shit..
Yeah this concerns me because Khan explicitly redefined what "Forbidden Door" means to now include ex-WWE guys this week, apparently just so he can tie this name into that phrase. But that cheapens it. Mickie James at the Rumble is a million times more "Forbidden Door" than Keith Lee or Bray Wyatt showing up in AEW. That's just called a "new signing".
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The varying degrees to which any debut can effect the overall perception of AEW reminds me of Woody from Toy Story and his friends, some seemingly forgotten in favor of the Buzz Lightyear types that have come along in more recent times. Everything that is shiny and new to an AEW audience could just as easily be a used action figure with collectible value. Dang. I have been watching too many of these toy hunting vlogs with AEW talent lately.
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Obviously the issue was with Tully and not with Punk. The better complaint is that AEW booked their top tag team like WWE does, losing to a makeshift team of singles stars. I hate that, and AEW is usually doesn’t do it. It was part of the Punk-MJF story so you knew who would win, but great tag teams shouldn’t always be sacrificed like that. At least they didn’t lose a handicap match to Punk like how WWE would’ve booked it.
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this is just senseless violence for the sake of violence ... not a bad idea between two boring wrestlers Last edited on Thu Feb 10th, 2022 03:56 am by krazykid18
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But no other surprises. Keith Lee was the huge name I guess. A bit anticlimactic.
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But no other surprises. Keith Lee was the huge name I guess. A bit anticlimactic. A bit? No, a HUGE letdown…he’s not a massive name…
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: So Tony Khan just tweeted a strange semi-apology in which it seems he got Jay White last minute (Sunday night) after he “butchered” his own definition of “Forbidden Door” and realized Keith Lee didn’t qualify. Um….I don’t even know what to say about that. Tony might need to lay low on social media for a while and let someone else handle all fan outreach for a bit. This is a fucking mess, and thus tweet makes it so much worse.
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Posted: Thu Feb 10th, 2022 08:07 am PM Quote Reply 2368th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Keith Lee was the best thing in wrestling when he was on top in NXT. They maybe hyped him too much, but he got a huge reaction from the crowd. Tony Khan's interviews and Twitter game is just something we just have to accept. He's an autistic asexual billionaire wrestling nerd. If you want AEW to exist, you need to take the rough with the smooth.
The worst part of the show? JR calling a Cash Wheeler uppercut "snug". It bugs me every time Paul Wight uses that term on Dark Elevation, but JR should know better. We got grumpy JR again tonight.
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Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: So Tony Khan just tweeted a strange semi-apology in which it seems he got Jay White last minute (Sunday night) after he “butchered” his own definition of “Forbidden Door” and realized Keith Lee didn’t qualify. Um….I don’t even know what to say about that. Tony might need to lay low on social media for a while and let someone else handle all fan outreach for a bit. This is a fucking mess, and thus tweet makes it so much worse.
Having an owner who can throw out a contract with no visible worry about the expense just to align his misspoken text in a syntax that addresses a scrutinizing fanbase isn't the worst thing in the world.
I enjoyed the Wardlow-Blade match as evidence the monster has the ability to sell and do spots that don't shatter his aura of invincibility. It was only recently I realized Blade is the former Pepper Parks, who I'd heard good things about but never followed his path. Wardlow doesn't need to be a clone of the Goldberg push, and those who want that can watch the original on Peacock, Even though most of her 7-minute match was picture-in-picture, the debut of AQA was a nice showcase for her and I hope she gets more opportunities soon.
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Having an owner who can throw out a contract with no visible worry about the expense just to align his misspoken text in a syntax that addresses a scrutinizing fanbase isn't the worst thing in the world.
Well he didn't sign him, the point of the "Forbidden Door" is just to bring in contracted talent from other companies. So the cost is minimal to pay White per appearance as he represents NJPW, even Impact can afford it and White has popped up there many times in the past few months. It was just a matter of time before he showed up in AEW since he's been doing so much stuff in America during Covid.
My bigger concern with Khan is you make a mistake, you hotshot a relatively big angle because of it, you potentially muddy the waters with Adam Cole even more because he seems to be involved in every weird booking decision, and then you tweet something that maybe is a bit too honest after double-downing on hype long after you knew you made a mistake. I knew something was off when all of a sudden Khan started talking about how the "Forbidden Door" could mean ex-WWE guys late last week. You can't both cover up your mistake and be honest about it at the same time. I get the autistic and awkward billionaire thing though. Bezos tweets weirder stuff on a daily basis. But the AEW haters can have a field day with this one.
The bottom line is, last night was a very good show, and would've been much better had Khan never tweeted anything at all and just let it play out. We'll see how the ratings shake out based on the hype though.
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Even though most of her 7-minute match was picture-in-picture, the debut of AQA was a nice showcase for her and I hope she gets more opportunities soon.
I thought it was very rough between two extremely green workers. It wasn't until after the fact that I looked AQA up and saw she was one of the no-names released from NXT, Zaida or something. That PC training seems worse than no training at all. And Cargill still needs a good worker to carry her because of her own issues, so I thought it was rough with no QB and them getting lost and botching a couple of things.
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Even though most of her 7-minute match was picture-in-picture, the debut of AQA was a nice showcase for her and I hope she gets more opportunities soon.
I thought it was very rough between two extremely green workers. It wasn't until after the fact that I looked AQA up and saw she was one of the no-names released from NXT, Zaida or something. That PC training seems worse than no training at all. And Cargill still needs a good worker to carry her because of her own issues, so I thought it was rough with no QB and them getting lost and botching a couple of things. My beef is that they are playing up an undefeated streak with Cargill and they bring in a name that nobody knows - and she name drops Booker T - and then let her get TONS of offense in and make it look like Jade had to really dig deep to beat her.
I love Jade Cargill. She has an unbelievable look, she's young and has an athletic background, and has taken to the mat quite well all things considered. In a year's time, she has improved a lot, but hopefully they get her to work with somebody like Martinez or Deeb to polish up her skills (hopefully not on TV). She wrestles like Superstar Billy Graham right now, all the power moves she has down pat. But she needs to wrestle a little bit more like a wrestler and also work on her facial expressions when down on the mat.
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Even though most of her 7-minute match was picture-in-picture, the debut of AQA was a nice showcase for her and I hope she gets more opportunities soon.
I thought it was very rough between two extremely green workers. It wasn't until after the fact that I looked AQA up and saw she was one of the no-names released from NXT, Zaida or something. That PC training seems worse than no training at all. And Cargill still needs a good worker to carry her because of her own issues, so I thought it was rough with no QB and them getting lost and botching a couple of things. My beef is that they are playing up an undefeated streak with Cargill and they bring in a name that nobody knows - and she name drops Booker T - and then let her get TONS of offense in and make it look like Jade had to really dig deep to beat her.
I love Jade Cargill. She has an unbelievable look, she's young and has an athletic background, and has taken to the mat quite well all things considered. In a year's time, she has improved a lot, but hopefully they get her to work with somebody like Martinez or Deeb to polish up her skills (hopefully not on TV). She wrestles like Superstar Billy Graham right now, all the power moves she has down pat. But she needs to wrestle a little bit more like a wrestler and also work on her facial expressions when down on the mat.
There's just no place to learn like that anymore. Everything is on TV, or at least online. But Cargill is improving and has a look for a female not seen since Chyna, with a little more athleticism. I think she will be fine.
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I remember when iPPVs were a big deal and only special indy shows were available that way. Now every indy show in ever backwater dump seems to be filmed and if not available for PPV at least put up somewhere for free. So the amount of footage of even the biggest no-names in wrestling who barely completed their training is staggering. It's great for exposure if you're good, but impossible to improve without being harshly critiqued every second of your career, and the overexposure can be severe before you even "make it". Indy darlings seem to get discarded and replaced on a monthly basis now unless you're really something special.
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I remember when iPPVs were a big deal and only special indy shows were available that way. Now every indy show in ever backwater dump seems to be filmed and if not available for PPV at least put up somewhere for free. So the amount of footage of even the biggest no-names in wrestling who barely completed their training is staggering. It's great for exposure if you're good, but impossible to improve without being harshly critiqued every second of your career, and the overexposure can be severe before you even "make it". Indy darlings seem to get discarded and replaced on a monthly basis now unless you're really something special.
Yep. If you look at the indie darlings from the 90s who never really made, someone like Reckless Youth or Scoot Andrews, I've seen maybe 10 matches from each, and only because I used to order ROH DVDs.
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I remember when iPPVs were a big deal and only special indy shows were available that way. Now every indy show in ever backwater dump seems to be filmed and if not available for PPV at least put up somewhere for free. So the amount of footage of even the biggest no-names in wrestling who barely completed their training is staggering. It's great for exposure if you're good, but impossible to improve without being harshly critiqued every second of your career, and the overexposure can be severe before you even "make it". Indy darlings seem to get discarded and replaced on a monthly basis now unless you're really something special.
Yep. If you look at the indie darlings from the 90s who never really made, someone like Reckless Youth or Scoot Andrews, I've seen maybe 10 matches from each, and only because I used to order ROH DVDs.
Reckless Youth is the poster child for the '90s indy darling who never did anything, even in ROH. Not sure what happened. I don't think he ever got signed anywhere and even in ROH they just used him a few times as plain old Tom Carter and he got zero push and that was it. The lack of impact he was able to make considering how big his reputation was among early IWC fans is bizarre. Rumor has it he will be inducted into the Indie Wrestling HOF next year.
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Obviously the issue was with Tully and not with Punk. The better complaint is that AEW booked their top tag team like WWE does, losing to a makeshift team of singles stars. I hate that, and AEW is usually doesn’t do it. It was part of the Punk-MJF story so you knew who would win, but great tag teams shouldn’t always be sacrificed like that. At least they didn’t lose a handicap match to Punk like how WWE would’ve booked it.
when is FTR been AEW top tag team, come on ... and this logic makes no sense that is like a great 2 on 2 team in basketball who played together does that mean they shouldn't lose to Durant and lebron if they teamed up
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Madusa: You can bet women in the audience are going to bring an extra box of tampons and when you come out to the ring… You will be blessed with an exorcism of tampons thrown at you
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Did Tony Khan's big tease work? The answer is a resounding yes.
The 2/9 episode of AEW Dynamite on TBS featuring the debuts of Keith Lee and Jay White as well as a Texas Death Match and CM Punk & Jon Moxley vs. FTR brought in an audience of 1,129,000 overnight viewers. This was way up from last week's episode, which brought in 954,000 overnight viewers.
The show was for number one for everything on basic cable last night, up from 3rd last week. While South Park beat them last week, AEW regained the night yesterday.
In the 18-49 demo, AEW scored a 0.41, up from last week's 0.35.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: So Tony Khan just tweeted a strange semi-apology in which it seems he got Jay White last minute (Sunday night) after he “butchered” his own definition of “Forbidden Door” and realized Keith Lee didn’t qualify. Um….I don’t even know what to say about that. Tony might need to lay low on social media for a while and let someone else handle all fan outreach for a bit. This is a fucking mess, and thus tweet makes it so much worse.
Jesus, that makes it even worse! I just watched the show and surprisingly enjoyed the main event a lot. Tag match was great but its dumb beating FTR like that. I was gonna skip the Team Meeting and regret that I didn't. And I don't know why my phone capitalised those words. The surprises were bad. Regardless of the fact that some of the TV audience would have no idea who Jay White is, debuting him like that was awful. I never heard of him before. I don't know why he's a big deal and just know he used to be enemies with Omega, as per the later backstage interview bit.
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Did Tony Khan's big tease work? The answer is a resounding yes.
The 2/9 episode of AEW Dynamite on TBS featuring the debuts of Keith Lee and Jay White as well as a Texas Death Match and CM Punk & Jon Moxley vs. FTR brought in an audience of 1,129,000 overnight viewers. This was way up from last week's episode, which brought in 954,000 overnight viewers.
The show was for number one for everything on basic cable last night, up from 3rd last week. While South Park beat them last week, AEW regained the night yesterday.
In the 18-49 demo, AEW scored a 0.41, up from last week's 0.35. The big tease worked this time. My question is that if expectations for a big surprise were high then how much of the audience was let down? Keith Lee is very good (though he looks very fat) and Jay White surely means very little to anyone other than hardcore fans. Tony has acknowledged his errors anyway so maybe he will do things different next time. If he keeps delivering on promises like I'm sure people will get sick, I think i would.
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They didn't tease a single thing on television. Not on Dynamite, not on Rampage. The only people who knew about it were people were those that follow wrestling online. I think mose of those people were perfectly satisfied. I certainly was.
And the live crowd treated Lee like a superstar. I thought the whole thing was a home run. Last edited on Fri Feb 11th, 2022 09:52 pm by Kriss
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They didn't tease a single thing on television. Not on Dynamite, not on Rampage. The only people who knew about it were people were those that follow wrestling online. I think mose of those people were perfectly satisfied. I certainly was.
And the live crowd treated Lee like a superstar. I thought the whole thing was a home run. I’m surely not complaining. Keith Lee looked like a million bucks, and unlike so many of the other guys AEW has brought in, Lee is DIFFERENT. He is like nobody that they have. I remember when Brian Cage came in, he was different until Wardlow started wrestling. The only two people they have on the roster that can actually compete with Lee for size are Mark Henry and Paul Wight. The part that surprised me is that Jay White and Keith Lee came out in back to back segments…so I truly expected another entrance as the show went off the air, somebody attacking Page. It didn’t happen and that’s a good thing, that match needed to end and be over and not used as an angle to further something else. Also, I’m loving Lance Archer here, he legit towers over people and works really well with whomever they put him in the ring with.
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I've no interest in seeing either guy in AEW. Maybe if Strowman put in a couple of years on the indies to improve his work, but he's had plenty of time and all he's done is EC3's weird shows which aren't even close to what you need to do to wrestle q good match in front of a live audience. Bray Wyatt? A big meh for me.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote:
Even though most of her 7-minute match was picture-in-picture, the debut of AQA was a nice showcase for her and I hope she gets more opportunities soon.
I thought it was very rough between two extremely green workers. It wasn't until after the fact that I looked AQA up and saw she was one of the no-names released from NXT, Zaida or something. That PC training seems worse than no training at all. And Cargill still needs a good worker to carry her because of her own issues, so I thought it was rough with no QB and them getting lost and botching a couple of things. My beef is that they are playing up an undefeated streak with Cargill and they bring in a name that nobody knows - and she name drops Booker T - and then let her get TONS of offense in and make it look like Jade had to really dig deep to beat her.
I love Jade Cargill. She has an unbelievable look, she's young and has an athletic background, and has taken to the mat quite well all things considered. In a year's time, she has improved a lot, but hopefully they get her to work with somebody like Martinez or Deeb to polish up her skills (hopefully not on TV). She wrestles like Superstar Billy Graham right now, all the power moves she has down pat. But she needs to wrestle a little bit more like a wrestler and also work on her facial expressions when down on the mat.
There's just no place to learn like that anymore. Everything is on TV, or at least online. But Cargill is improving and has a look for a female not seen since Chyna, with a little more athleticism. I think she will be fine.
Bryan Alvarez:
“What was not good was Jade Cargill and A.Q.A. This was not Jade Cargill’s fault. I don’t know what was going on in this match, but Bryce Remsberg, he should be probably be paid double. Because that dude is in there, he’s f*ckin’ calling spots. He’s screaming at A.Q.A. what she’s supposed to do next. She’s just lost and Jade’s frustrated and she gets the pin and you could just tell Jade’s all pissed off. This is just not good.”
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“He has to lose some weight. That’s just the reality. I mean, he was made to look good by Isiah Kassidy, but he’s much heavier than he was even in his NXT days, let alone in his independent days. And, for a guy whose big thing is agility…
“He did a couple of cool moves and everything, but he was low on the leapfrog. I mean, Kassidy made it look good. His speed wasn’t his old speed. And that’s what happens when you get older. But, that’s why when you get older, and you’re a big guy, it’s incumbent on you to be at a lower weight, not a heavier weight. So, Keith’s got to lose weight to be the old Keith.”
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Even though most of her 7-minute match was picture-in-picture, the debut of AQA was a nice showcase for her and I hope she gets more opportunities soon.
I thought it was very rough between two extremely green workers. It wasn't until after the fact that I looked AQA up and saw she was one of the no-names released from NXT, Zaida or something. That PC training seems worse than no training at all. And Cargill still needs a good worker to carry her because of her own issues, so I thought it was rough with no QB and them getting lost and botching a couple of things. My beef is that they are playing up an undefeated streak with Cargill and they bring in a name that nobody knows - and she name drops Booker T - and then let her get TONS of offense in and make it look like Jade had to really dig deep to beat her.
I love Jade Cargill. She has an unbelievable look, she's young and has an athletic background, and has taken to the mat quite well all things considered. In a year's time, she has improved a lot, but hopefully they get her to work with somebody like Martinez or Deeb to polish up her skills (hopefully not on TV). She wrestles like Superstar Billy Graham right now, all the power moves she has down pat. But she needs to wrestle a little bit more like a wrestler and also work on her facial expressions when down on the mat.
There's just no place to learn like that anymore. Everything is on TV, or at least online. But Cargill is improving and has a look for a female not seen since Chyna, with a little more athleticism. I think she will be fine.
Bryan Alvarez:
“What was not good was Jade Cargill and A.Q.A. This was not Jade Cargill’s fault. I don’t know what was going on in this match, but Bryce Remsberg, he should be probably be paid double. Because that dude is in there, he’s f*ckin’ calling spots. He’s screaming at A.Q.A. what she’s supposed to do next. She’s just lost and Jade’s frustrated and she gets the pin and you could just tell Jade’s all pissed off. This is just not good.”
Tony Khan obviously didn't agree, because A.Q.A. is now #AllElite. People get carried away with the size of the AEW roster, but for a lot of the lower lever guys, this is basically just a retainer so AEW have first dibs. It's on them to get their reps in on the indie scene, and they should be able to get better work for more money with the exposure AEW gives them.
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Posted: Sat Feb 12th, 2022 04:21 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2393rd Post srossi
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Even though most of her 7-minute match was picture-in-picture, the debut of AQA was a nice showcase for her and I hope she gets more opportunities soon.
I thought it was very rough between two extremely green workers. It wasn't until after the fact that I looked AQA up and saw she was one of the no-names released from NXT, Zaida or something. That PC training seems worse than no training at all. And Cargill still needs a good worker to carry her because of her own issues, so I thought it was rough with no QB and them getting lost and botching a couple of things. My beef is that they are playing up an undefeated streak with Cargill and they bring in a name that nobody knows - and she name drops Booker T - and then let her get TONS of offense in and make it look like Jade had to really dig deep to beat her.
I love Jade Cargill. She has an unbelievable look, she's young and has an athletic background, and has taken to the mat quite well all things considered. In a year's time, she has improved a lot, but hopefully they get her to work with somebody like Martinez or Deeb to polish up her skills (hopefully not on TV). She wrestles like Superstar Billy Graham right now, all the power moves she has down pat. But she needs to wrestle a little bit more like a wrestler and also work on her facial expressions when down on the mat.
There's just no place to learn like that anymore. Everything is on TV, or at least online. But Cargill is improving and has a look for a female not seen since Chyna, with a little more athleticism. I think she will be fine.
Bryan Alvarez:
“What was not good was Jade Cargill and A.Q.A. This was not Jade Cargill’s fault. I don’t know what was going on in this match, but Bryce Remsberg, he should be probably be paid double. Because that dude is in there, he’s f*ckin’ calling spots. He’s screaming at A.Q.A. what she’s supposed to do next. She’s just lost and Jade’s frustrated and she gets the pin and you could just tell Jade’s all pissed off. This is just not good.”
Tony Khan obviously didn't agree, because A.Q.A. is now #AllElite. People get carried away with the size of the AEW roster, but for a lot of the lower lever guys, this is basically just a retainer so AEW have first dibs. It's on them to get their reps in on the indie scene, and they should be able to get better work for more money with the exposure AEW gives them.
That’s fine but she’s awful and there are two dozen women on the indies who deserve it more and AEW would be better served putting them on retainer so WWE can’t get them. Even if AQA is only making $30,000, that’s $30,000 completely flushed down the drain. Tell her to get her reps first and call back in 2 years.
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Words never written before and never to be written again. Last edited on Sun Feb 13th, 2022 10:30 am by Jim_Irish
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Posted: Sun Feb 13th, 2022 11:47 am PM Quote Reply 2396th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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Words never written before and never to be written again.
What do you have against Bryce Remsberg?
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Posted: Sun Feb 13th, 2022 04:29 pm PM Quote Reply 2397th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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Even though most of her 7-minute match was picture-in-picture, the debut of AQA was a nice showcase for her and I hope she gets more opportunities soon.
I thought it was very rough between two extremely green workers. It wasn't until after the fact that I looked AQA up and saw she was one of the no-names released from NXT, Zaida or something. That PC training seems worse than no training at all. And Cargill still needs a good worker to carry her because of her own issues, so I thought it was rough with no QB and them getting lost and botching a couple of things. My beef is that they are playing up an undefeated streak with Cargill and they bring in a name that nobody knows - and she name drops Booker T - and then let her get TONS of offense in and make it look like Jade had to really dig deep to beat her.
I love Jade Cargill. She has an unbelievable look, she's young and has an athletic background, and has taken to the mat quite well all things considered. In a year's time, she has improved a lot, but hopefully they get her to work with somebody like Martinez or Deeb to polish up her skills (hopefully not on TV). She wrestles like Superstar Billy Graham right now, all the power moves she has down pat. But she needs to wrestle a little bit more like a wrestler and also work on her facial expressions when down on the mat.
There's just no place to learn like that anymore. Everything is on TV, or at least online. But Cargill is improving and has a look for a female not seen since Chyna, with a little more athleticism. I think she will be fine.
Bryan Alvarez:
“What was not good was Jade Cargill and A.Q.A. This was not Jade Cargill’s fault. I don’t know what was going on in this match, but Bryce Remsberg, he should be probably be paid double. Because that dude is in there, he’s f*ckin’ calling spots. He’s screaming at A.Q.A. what she’s supposed to do next. She’s just lost and Jade’s frustrated and she gets the pin and you could just tell Jade’s all pissed off. This is just not good.”
Tony Khan obviously didn't agree, because A.Q.A. is now #AllElite. People get carried away with the size of the AEW roster, but for a lot of the lower lever guys, this is basically just a retainer so AEW have first dibs. It's on them to get their reps in on the indie scene, and they should be able to get better work for more money with the exposure AEW gives them.
That’s fine but she’s awful and there are two dozen women on the indies who deserve it more and AEW would be better served putting them on retainer so WWE can’t get them. Even if AQA is only making $30,000, that’s $30,000 completely flushed down the drain. Tell her to get her reps first and call back in 2 years.
To add to this, AEW could have signed Taya Valkyrie, Mia Yim and/or Athena (Ember Moon) this week, since they all because free agents in the past week. Even if they brought them in just to put Jade Cargill over, since she needs to work with veterans if she's going to get better.
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“The fact checking standard for @profootballtalk reporting is far lower than that of @aew’s roving reporter @tonyschiavone24. I’m definitely not running for Congress; this filing is faker than Eddie Gilbert’s apology to Tommy Rich in 1984. PFT sources as trustworthy as @the_MJF.”
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“The fact checking standard for @profootballtalk reporting is far lower than that of @aew’s roving reporter @tonyschiavone24. I’m definitely not running for Congress; this filing is faker than Eddie Gilbert’s apology to Tommy Rich in 1984. PFT sources as trustworthy as @the_MJF.” And this is why I love Tony Khan. He's one of us. It's just that he has more money than all of us combined. Beej, get on the phone and get him signed up over here.
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“The fact checking standard for @profootballtalk reporting is far lower than that of @aew’s roving reporter @tonyschiavone24. I’m definitely not running for Congress; this filing is faker than Eddie Gilbert’s apology to Tommy Rich in 1984. PFT sources as trustworthy as @the_MJF.” And this is why I love Tony Khan. He's one of us. It's just that he has more money than all of us combined. Beej, get on the phone and get him signed up over here.
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Posted: Sun Feb 13th, 2022 05:22 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2401st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <A HREF="/users/152.html" TARGET="_blank">SuperstarA> wrote: <A HREF="/users/16.html" TARGET="_blank">srossiA> wrote: Tony Khan with a golden tweet here, directed at ProFootballTalk who said he filed to run for Congress: “The fact checking standard for @profootballtalk reporting is far lower than that of @aew’s roving reporter @tonyschiavone24. I’m definitely not running for Congress; this filing is faker than Eddie Gilbert’s apology to Tommy Rich in 1984. PFT sources as trustworthy as @the_MJF.” And this is why I love Tony Khan. He's one of us. It's just that he has more money than all of us combined. Beej, get on the phone and get him signed up over here. He’s an unapologetic wrestling nerd and I’d love to see the reactions of all the football fans reading that tweet and trying to figure out what he’s taking about. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Feb 13th, 2022 05:48 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2402nd Post Blazer Head Auditor, CPA Joined: Sun Sep 4th, 2011 Location: Posts: 9544 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <A HREF="/users/152.html" TARGET="_blank">SuperstarA> wrote: <A HREF="/users/16.html" TARGET="_blank">srossiA> wrote: Tony Khan with a golden tweet here, directed at ProFootballTalk who said he filed to run for Congress: “The fact checking standard for @profootballtalk reporting is far lower than that of @aew’s roving reporter @tonyschiavone24. I’m definitely not running for Congress; this filing is faker than Eddie Gilbert’s apology to Tommy Rich in 1984. PFT sources as trustworthy as @the_MJF.” And this is why I love Tony Khan. He's one of us. It's just that he has more money than all of us combined. Beej, get on the phone and get him signed up over here. He’s an unapologetic wrestling nerd and I’d love to see the reactions of all the football fans reading that tweet and trying to figure out what he’s taking about. I love this even more because its somewhat of a "deep dive" reference. He could have said something like "faker than NWO Sting", but he goes with a southern wrestling angle that many people don't even remember. Awesome. ____________________ "Well, maybe I like the nightlife just a little bit more than I like the damn gym, jack! And when you're makin' $500,000 a year, there ain't no reason to change what you're doing." - Dusty Rhodes, 1/4/1986 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Feb 13th, 2022 06:02 pm PM Quote Reply 2403rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/365.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu365')">Blazera> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <A HREF="/users/152.html" TARGET="_blank">SuperstarA> wrote: <A HREF="/users/16.html" TARGET="_blank">srossiA> wrote: Tony Khan with a golden tweet here, directed at ProFootballTalk who said he filed to run for Congress: “The fact checking standard for @profootballtalk reporting is far lower than that of @aew’s roving reporter @tonyschiavone24. I’m definitely not running for Congress; this filing is faker than Eddie Gilbert’s apology to Tommy Rich in 1984. PFT sources as trustworthy as @the_MJF.” And this is why I love Tony Khan. He's one of us. It's just that he has more money than all of us combined. Beej, get on the phone and get him signed up over here. He’s an unapologetic wrestling nerd and I’d love to see the reactions of all the football fans reading that tweet and trying to figure out what he’s taking about. I love this even more because its somewhat of a "deep dive" reference. He could have said something like "faker than NWO Sting", but he goes with a southern wrestling angle that many people don't even remember. Awesome. Showing some deep wrestling knowledge, seeing that Khan was born in 1982. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Feb 13th, 2022 06:56 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2404th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/365.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu365')">Blazera> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <A HREF="/users/152.html" TARGET="_blank">SuperstarA> wrote: <A HREF="/users/16.html" TARGET="_blank">srossiA> wrote: Tony Khan with a golden tweet here, directed at ProFootballTalk who said he filed to run for Congress: “The fact checking standard for @profootballtalk reporting is far lower than that of @aew’s roving reporter @tonyschiavone24. I’m definitely not running for Congress; this filing is faker than Eddie Gilbert’s apology to Tommy Rich in 1984. PFT sources as trustworthy as @the_MJF.” And this is why I love Tony Khan. He's one of us. It's just that he has more money than all of us combined. Beej, get on the phone and get him signed up over here. He’s an unapologetic wrestling nerd and I’d love to see the reactions of all the football fans reading that tweet and trying to figure out what he’s taking about. I love this even more because its somewhat of a "deep dive" reference. He could have said something like "faker than NWO Sting", but he goes with a southern wrestling angle that many people don't even remember. Awesome. Showing some deep wrestling knowledge, seeing that Khan was born in 1982. He was a big tape trader around the same time I was, and probably in the same circles since it’s a pretty niche group. The best part of this is that even though Vince was in the business at the time and Khan was only a baby, Vince would have no idea what this reference is about. I question if he has ever heard of Tommy Rich and, before the dementia set it, might’ve just had a passing recollection of Gilbert as Bob Backlund’s protege. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Feb 13th, 2022 08:06 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2405th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/365.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu365')">Blazera> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <A HREF="/users/152.html" TARGET="_blank">SuperstarA> wrote: <A HREF="/users/16.html" TARGET="_blank">srossiA> wrote: Tony Khan with a golden tweet here, directed at ProFootballTalk who said he filed to run for Congress: “The fact checking standard for @profootballtalk reporting is far lower than that of @aew’s roving reporter @tonyschiavone24. I’m definitely not running for Congress; this filing is faker than Eddie Gilbert’s apology to Tommy Rich in 1984. PFT sources as trustworthy as @the_MJF.” And this is why I love Tony Khan. He's one of us. It's just that he has more money than all of us combined. Beej, get on the phone and get him signed up over here. He’s an unapologetic wrestling nerd and I’d love to see the reactions of all the football fans reading that tweet and trying to figure out what he’s taking about. I love this even more because its somewhat of a "deep dive" reference. He could have said something like "faker than NWO Sting", but he goes with a southern wrestling angle that many people don't even remember. Awesome. Showing some deep wrestling knowledge, seeing that Khan was born in 1982. He was a big tape trader around the same time I was, and probably in the same circles since it’s a pretty niche group. The best part of this is that even though Vince was in the business at the time and Khan was only a baby, Vince would have no idea what this reference is about. I question if he has ever heard of Tommy Rich and, before the dementia set it, might’ve just had a passing recollection of Gilbert as Bob Backlund’s protege. In other words, krazykid was right and you are taking the Tony Khan paycheck for all of the praise you give AEW. Please send his contact info so I can get hooked up with the stipend as well. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Feb 13th, 2022 08:16 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2406th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/365.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu365')">Blazera> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <A HREF="/users/152.html" TARGET="_blank">SuperstarA> wrote: <A HREF="/users/16.html" TARGET="_blank">srossiA> wrote: Tony Khan with a golden tweet here, directed at ProFootballTalk who said he filed to run for Congress: “The fact checking standard for @profootballtalk reporting is far lower than that of @aew’s roving reporter @tonyschiavone24. I’m definitely not running for Congress; this filing is faker than Eddie Gilbert’s apology to Tommy Rich in 1984. PFT sources as trustworthy as @the_MJF.” And this is why I love Tony Khan. He's one of us. It's just that he has more money than all of us combined. Beej, get on the phone and get him signed up over here. He’s an unapologetic wrestling nerd and I’d love to see the reactions of all the football fans reading that tweet and trying to figure out what he’s taking about. I love this even more because its somewhat of a "deep dive" reference. He could have said something like "faker than NWO Sting", but he goes with a southern wrestling angle that many people don't even remember. Awesome. Showing some deep wrestling knowledge, seeing that Khan was born in 1982. He was a big tape trader around the same time I was, and probably in the same circles since it’s a pretty niche group. The best part of this is that even though Vince was in the business at the time and Khan was only a baby, Vince would have no idea what this reference is about. I question if he has ever heard of Tommy Rich and, before the dementia set it, might’ve just had a passing recollection of Gilbert as Bob Backlund’s protege. In other words, krazykid was right and you are taking the Tony Khan paycheck for all of the praise you give AEW. Please send his contact info so I can get hooked up with the stipend as well. We're practically gay lovers because we might have both watched the same John McAdam tape in 1998. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Feb 13th, 2022 09:00 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2407th Post Blazer Head Auditor, CPA Joined: Sun Sep 4th, 2011 Location: Posts: 9544 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/365.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu365')">Blazera> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <A HREF="/users/152.html" TARGET="_blank">SuperstarA> wrote: <A HREF="/users/16.html" TARGET="_blank">srossiA> wrote: Tony Khan with a golden tweet here, directed at ProFootballTalk who said he filed to run for Congress: “The fact checking standard for @profootballtalk reporting is far lower than that of @aew’s roving reporter @tonyschiavone24. I’m definitely not running for Congress; this filing is faker than Eddie Gilbert’s apology to Tommy Rich in 1984. PFT sources as trustworthy as @the_MJF.” And this is why I love Tony Khan. He's one of us. It's just that he has more money than all of us combined. Beej, get on the phone and get him signed up over here. He’s an unapologetic wrestling nerd and I’d love to see the reactions of all the football fans reading that tweet and trying to figure out what he’s taking about. I love this even more because its somewhat of a "deep dive" reference. He could have said something like "faker than NWO Sting", but he goes with a southern wrestling angle that many people don't even remember. Awesome. Showing some deep wrestling knowledge, seeing that Khan was born in 1982. He was a big tape trader around the same time I was, and probably in the same circles since it’s a pretty niche group. The best part of this is that even though Vince was in the business at the time and Khan was only a baby, Vince would have no idea what this reference is about. I question if he has ever heard of Tommy Rich and, before the dementia set it, might’ve just had a passing recollection of Gilbert as Bob Backlund’s protege. Vince definitely knew who Rich was. Rich was actually set to start with WWF in mid '84 and then backed out at the last minute, similar to Jerry Blackwell's story. I don't think it was true for later years when Vince was too busy with day-to-day shit to keep up with all of the tv, but it seemed like he had a good handle on other territories during the early expansion years. Case in point would be the All-American show on USA when he'd show other territories and gush over them (AWA, Von Erichs, etc.) ____________________ "Well, maybe I like the nightlife just a little bit more than I like the damn gym, jack! And when you're makin' $500,000 a year, there ain't no reason to change what you're doing." - Dusty Rhodes, 1/4/1986 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Feb 14th, 2022 01:16 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2408th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Over the weekend, Darby Allin handed an AEW contract to some kid named Nick Wayne on an indy show. Even I’ve never heard of him. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Feb 14th, 2022 01:52 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2409th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Nick Wayne, a 16-year old whose father wrestled in the Northwest as Buddy Wayne (not the Memphis guy) and grandson of Moondog Ed Moretti, was featured on the SLAM! site a few days ago, and accepted an AEW contract offered in the ring at a DEFY event Saturday night by Darby Allin, following a match against Christopher Daniels. <A HREF="https://slamwrestling.net/index.php/2022/02/11/nick-wayne-is-16-and-headlining/?fbclid=IwAR1TRjaHiBwWMhyoc4dAPmVio_o9qNWhR2q4QLt2sORFflab7ESUbbxPw4w" TARGET="_blank">SLAM! Article on Nick Wayne 2-11-2022A> <A HREF="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1492754624964530179" TARGET="_blank">AEW Contract Offer 2-12-2022A> Greg Oliver's printing press was turned off for the night so I went to press in the wee hours. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Feb 14th, 2022 06:32 am PM Quote Reply 2410th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Over the weekend, Darby Allin handed an AEW contract to some kid named Nick Wayne on an indy show. Even I’ve never heard of him. He's the kid who had to be pulled from the GCW show in NYC. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2022 01:06 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2411th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Over the weekend, Darby Allin handed an AEW contract to some kid named Nick Wayne on an indy show. Even I’ve never heard of him. He's the kid who had to be pulled from the GCW show in NYC. Bryan Alvarez: “Nick is now an AEW talent. and the story is that like four people knew. Among those four were not Nick Wayne, not me, not Nick Wayne’s mother of all people, who was there in tears. And they just got the thing arranged and presented him with the contract and they went backstage and he signed it. I’m not sure the exact… They may call it an apprenticeship contract, I’m not sure exactly what it’s called. Essentially, what it is, he’s under contract, and he has to finish high school, he has to turn 18, and once that happens, he’ll become a full-fledged contracted AEW talent. But, he’s an AEW wrestler as of right now. It was an awesome moment… I presume he’s going to continue to do whatever he’s doing, but I actually don’t know. I don’t know if they’re going to bring him in for Dark and Elevation. I don’t know what they’re going to do, but obviously he’s going to continue to work.” ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2022 04:17 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2412th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: Interesting story to start the day. Cody and Brandi Rhodes just announced they are leaving AEW. ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2022 04:26 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2413th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: Interesting story to start the day. Cody and Brandi Rhodes just announced they are leaving AEW. Something weird was going on with the contract not being renewed, but I'm really surprised that they never even really completed his character arc while he was working without a contract. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2022 04:31 pm PM Quote Reply 2414th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: Interesting story to start the day. Cody and Brandi Rhodes just announced they are leaving AEW. It's weird. Neither of their "Thank You" messages actually says they are leaving AEW. Not to say they aren't, just something I noticed. Tony Khan's message does say that they are moving on from AEW though. AEW doesn't particularly need them, though, and Cody's latest run, while interesting and producing an awesome match, didn't really seem to be going anywhere story-wise. The truth is, he's not at the Elite GOAT level that he thinks he is, and if you go back 2+ years in this thread, I was saying that back when AEW started. It's certainly interesting though. Let the shoot vs. werk debate begin. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2022 04:34 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2415th Post Married Jo Joined: Fri Dec 21st, 2007 Location: Hickory NC Posts: 7327 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: The truth is, he's not at the Elite GOAT level that he thinks he is, and if you go back 2+ years in this thread, I was saying that back when AEW started. It's certainly interesting though. Let the shoot vs. werk debate begin. This. He just doesn't have "it"...but he THINKS he does. That said, this just screams work...but if it was someone that actually DID have "it" and they pulled something like this as a swerve, when they did show back up it would prob be huge but if he takes like 6 months off and disappears then shows back up I still think he'd get more boos and people just throwing their hands up in "who cares?" fashion over it.. ____________________ Well, Im of the opinion that one wouldnt actually have to eat the corn out of Chynas shit to know that nothing good could come of it. - Portalesman Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2022 04:45 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2416th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I just don't know what he would do at this point. He's not going back to WWE. I can't see him working NJPW or ROH again outside of the odd date. Impact is a huge step down and highly unlikely. What the hell is he going to do? And is "Rhodes to the Top" already done? ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2022 04:48 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2417th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: Interesting story to start the day. Cody and Brandi Rhodes just announced they are leaving AEW. Would love to know where they are going if this is true. He wouldn't go back to WWE. No way would they start hiking back and forth to Japan now that they are parents. And he really has no other legit options. He's not making EVP money with the NWA. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2022 04:51 pm PM Quote Reply 2418th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: I just don't know what he would do at this point. He's not going back to WWE. I can't see him working NJPW or ROH again outside of the odd date. Impact is a huge step down and highly unlikely. What the hell is he going to do? And is "Rhodes to the Top" already done? It seems that Meltzer reported that a second season had been ordered, but I can't find anything else about that doesn't cite Meltzer. Definitely no official announcement. Maybe Codi will turn into Jeff Jarrett and start his own promotion. Getting into the world of fantasy booking now, but it wouldn't be the worst idea for Tony Khan to fund a "rival" organization. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2022 05:07 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2419th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: I just don't know what he would do at this point. He's not going back to WWE. I can't see him working NJPW or ROH again outside of the odd date. Impact is a huge step down and highly unlikely. What the hell is he going to do? And is "Rhodes to the Top" already done? It seems that Meltzer reported that a second season had been ordered, but I can't find anything else about that doesn't cite Meltzer. Definitely no official announcement. Maybe Codi will turn into Jeff Jarrett and start his own promotion. Getting into the world of fantasy booking now, but it wouldn't be the worst idea for Tony Khan to fund a "rival" organization. That seems like a horrible idea. AEW is 2 years old, almost exclusively existing during a pandemic. Way too early to be running off-shoots and flooding the market with indy wrestling. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2022 05:16 pm PM Quote Reply 2420th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: I just don't know what he would do at this point. He's not going back to WWE. I can't see him working NJPW or ROH again outside of the odd date. Impact is a huge step down and highly unlikely. What the hell is he going to do? And is "Rhodes to the Top" already done? It seems that Meltzer reported that a second season had been ordered, but I can't find anything else about that doesn't cite Meltzer. Definitely no official announcement. Maybe Codi will turn into Jeff Jarrett and start his own promotion. Getting into the world of fantasy booking now, but it wouldn't be the worst idea for Tony Khan to fund a "rival" organization. That seems like a horrible idea. AEW is 2 years old, almost exclusively existing during a pandemic. Way too early to be running off-shoots and flooding the market with indy wrestling. Seems like Cody is going to take the money and resign with WWE. Dustin Rhodes has tweeted that he is staying with AEW. From the Observer site: The surprising news comes as Cody is currently on two WarnerMedia-owned programs in Go Big Show and Rhodes to the Top, the latter being a reality show featuring the couple and behind-the-scenes happenings in AEW that was just picked up for a second season. Speculation will now lead to whether Rhodes will return to WWE, the company he requested a release from in May 2016 and that he has been critical of since leaving. On the most recent Wrestling Observer Radio, Dave Meltzer noted that there had been increased speculation from both locker rooms as to where Rhodes would land. He said that when the initial story broke about Rhodes being a free agent, he thought it was a minimal possibility Rhodes wouldn't return to AEW but he wouldn't say that as of last night. Meltzer said Rhodes returning to WWE was "definitely something talked about...in certain circles about the potential of something happening." Rhodes' AEW deal expired at the end of December and he even noted that he was working without a deal in a promo leading up to his TNT title unification bout with Sammy Guevara, quipping the match contract was not the one he was expecting to receive in the mail. Rhodes was granted his request for a release by WWE in May 2016. He re-invented himself on the indies and then Ring of Honor, Impact and New Japan Pro Wrestling before founding AEW with Khan, Kenny Omega, the Young Bucks and others. He wrestled just once this year, losing to Guevara in that January 26th match. It was originally to take place earlier in January, but Rhodes had to pull out due to an undisclosed medical situation. As of now, it's unknown what the barriers were between the 36-year-old and Khan on getting a deal done. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2022 05:21 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2421st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: The big rumor was that Rhodes would appear in the Royal Rumble, but I never took that seriously. Since he was technically available, if both sides wanted to make that happen they missed a golden opportunity to truly shock the world like it is almost impossible to do in the Internet age. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2022 09:30 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2422nd Post tamalie HALL OF FAMER Joined: Mon Oct 22nd, 2007 Location: Posts: 5157 Status: Offline Mana: Some TV news sites say the reality show was renewed. I don’t know their sources. However, production hasn’t started so it would be easy enough for TNT to pull the plug now that the cross promotion with AEW is gone. As far as Go Big Show is concerned, most game shows of this sort, such as The Voice and AGT, have a large amount of judge turnover. Cody had the gig because it was another cross promotional vehicle for TNT/TBS. With Cody out of AEW, this gig is likely done. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2022 09:32 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2423rd Post Vintage Wrestling Joined: Wed Jan 30th, 2008 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1105 Status: Offline Mana: HHH vs. Cody sledgehammer on a pole match at Wrestlemania ____________________ HUSS HUSS HUSS HUSS HUSS HUSS HUSS HUSS Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2022 11:05 pm PM Quote Reply 2424th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: A big enough story for Melzer himself to write a report for the Observer site. I can't remember the last time that happened: Cody and Brandi Rhodes, who were part of the original AEW crew along with The Young Bucks and Tony Khan, have left the promotion after failing to come to terms on a new contract. Both had signed three-year deals that expired on December 31, 2021. Over the last six weeks, there had been negotiations for a new deal with both continuing to work in community relations and on television as if they were staying. Cody, who was TNT Champion, missed a title defense due to a COVID-19 issue with the family, but returned to lose the title to interim champion Sammy Guevara in a unification ladder match, one of his two best singles matches he had during his AEW run, the other being a classic 2019 match against his brother Dustin. Brandi had just shot an angle with MMA fighter Paige VanZant. Behind the scenes, both had major positions. Cody was an executive vice president, headed community relations, and was also partners with QT Marshall on the Nightmare Factory training school where he will remain part of. Dustin, who is staying and has said he's very happy in AEW, was also training wrestlers. Cody also has been part of two television shows: Rhodes to the Top -- a TNT reality show about the couple which ended up with the timing of Brandi giving birth to their first child and Go-Big Show, a wacky and dangerous competition show on TBS where he is one of the judges and was the pitchman in the television commercials. The latter is in its second season while a second season for Rhodes to the Top was agreed upon some months back. No formal announcement was made and the belief has been with the situation as it is that it will not be back. Until the negotiations fell apart on Monday, most of the top people in AEW were not aware anything was up and figured both Cody and Brandi were staying. Several were surprised and didn’t know anything until the day of, but one person did tell us that he never thought it would happen when Rhodes’ contract expired. That person did actually know this was coming for a few weeks and categorized it as unhappiness, even though everyone said that the EVPs were getting along the best they have in a long time. They were working last week on projects for the future. One person close to the situation used the term “heartbroken,” but didn’t know the machinations of the split. Both have kept quiet on the talks and haven’t spoken to anyone that we are aware of regarding the split or what led to it. Until the split, Cody had acknowledged working without a contract but gave the impression he expected a new deal. Brandi, who was the company’s chief brand officer, had just closed a partnership deal a week earlier with the American Heart Association. Cody had worked strongly with Amanda Huber in the community relations division. As far as the story behind the story, there is a ton of speculation right now. What we do know is that as of Monday morning, lawyers were involved working out the split. With no contract, both could go to WWE immediately. In WWE, there was locker room talk that Cody was possibly coming in. Whether Brandi would come in and wrestle wasn’t known, but it was clear that she wanted to be a wrestler and made it clear that after giving birth, she wanted to return. Khan had said in the past that he had options on all the key talent for 2022. Rhodes did have an option year, and possibly a two-year one, so it would have been Khan’s call not to exercise it. While we don’t know if the Rhodes’ deals are different, the big key original deals with the Young Bucks and Chris Jericho were all for three years, meaning they would end this year, plus an option period. The Bucks and Jericho’s options were picked up and they are still with the company. Kenny Omega’s first deal was for four years. Jericho was the highest money deal in the company until CM Punk came in at what was believed to have been the same level of money. If Cody and Brandi are leaving, the only logical place they could go is WWE, but could this be a carefully crafted Brian Pillman-esque work? It always could be because this is pro wrestling. While there had been times Cody had butted heads with others, those discussions, differences of opinions, and arguments are always part of numerous people having different ideas of what pro wrestling is. At the end of the day, Khan made all the choices, approving all angles and choosing who wins and loses. But there was never a period where the EVPs weren’t talking. Although Omega and the Bucks were close personally and the relationship between the Bucks and Cody was more business, they always talked and, again, were said to be on their best terms of late. Cody absolutely had great input, but his character was struggling. He had been getting booed at every show by a percentage of the audience, probably starting with his feud with Anthony Ogogo. Some believed he was running the company and blamed him for making the call not to put younger talent over when he beat Ogogo. It was not his call and it was the only call that could have been made at the time with Ogogo needing eye surgery. However, nobody was privy to that information. Cody tried to make it a United States vs. United Kingdom program, which would also get Ogogo over as a UK star since he has some name value there for being an Olympic medal winning boxer. Cody channeled his father in a controversial promo that some loved but others criticized. It was the type of promo that his father thrived upon that Cody was doing, right down to saying for this match he would be "The American Dream," but it wasn't as great with a very different type of audience. When Cody beat Ogogo in the match, stories came out that he was not putting younger talent over. The irony is that was actually one of his strengths as all the EVPs probably put people over too much in the early days because they wanted the perception of what Cody’s father had. MJF, Darby Allin, Brodie Lee, Malakai Black, and recently Guevara were all elevated by beating Cody. He made it clear from an early stipulation that that he would never challenge for the AEW World Championship after a loss to Chris Jericho in 2019, one he vowed not to break. The TNT title became his domain with three title runs. But no matter what he did, Cody couldn’t shake the booing at live events. Some believed it was because fans thought he went Hollywood doing two other shows. He would do promos talking about how he helped build the company and would not go heel. But it was one of those things where, even when put across the ring from Dan Lambert who did the anti-AEW Jim Cornette gimmick, a percentage of the crowd would boo Cody. Those live always said it wasn’t the majority, but boos travel better than cheers so the perception was worse and it became the thing to do. The same thing happened to Brandi, although her last interview was weird because she insulted the local fans on purpose by getting the town wrong, but then had a verbal battle with Lambert, one of the biggest heels in the company. From a perception standpoint, this would be the first major AEW star to leave for WWE if it happens. The question is whether Brandi would be brought in as a performer. Obviously it hadn’t looked good for WWE for the perception that all the talent moves were one way. In that sense, this would be a major move for WWE. Still, Cody would always be pushed as a top star in AEW and WWE never saw him as that when he was there before and he left to prove he could be a top star. Signing a big money deal would at least guarantee him being used better than his first run. But he did have far more creative freedom with both his promos and his matches in AEW than he would in WWE. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Feb 16th, 2022 11:34 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2425th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Justin Barrasso of Sports Illustrated has reported that Cody is definitely heading back to WWE and could begin as early as this weekend. Brandi will not join him. He says that the relationship between Khan abs Rhodes deteriorated beyond repair when Khan assumed full control of booking, a process that Rhodes wanted to be in the mix with. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Feb 16th, 2022 11:50 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2426th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: AEW is bringing in Buddy Murphy soon. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Feb 16th, 2022 11:55 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2427th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Wonder what the odds of a cameo on NXT would be as the Women's Dusty Cup reaches the finals in a few weeks. That training school Q.T. Marshall headed up was called the Nightmare Factory but somewhere I saw a photo where Nightmare was not mentioned, just "The Factory". Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Feb 16th, 2022 11:55 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2428th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Didn't see much of him but I was impressed with what I did see of him. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 01:21 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2429th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: I really don’t see this as a loss for AEW at all. They outgrew Cody from the early days of the promotion when they needed him to be one of the top guys. The fans didn’t care for him and I don’t even know that a heel turn now would have helped after the initial intrigue wore off. ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 02:18 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2430th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Short but awesome promo to start Dynamite on 2/16 promoting a return CM Punk vs. MJF match now slated for 3/6 in Orlando. Punk sits in mid-ring with a box and says that MJF has done well for himself but needs to learn more lessons before he can be anywhere close to the "Piper in Portland" which was a talking point before their last bout. MJF is called out to the stage to hear Punk's modest proposal: Piper says that since MJF wants to be tethered to Piper, Punk references the holiday this week, opens the box and produces a dog collar, asking MJF if he will be his Valentine. Brilliant in execution. Last edited on Thu Feb 17th, 2022 02:18 am by One Fan Gang Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 02:57 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2431st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Short but awesome promo to start Dynamite on 2/16 promoting a return CM Punk vs. MJF match now slated for 3/6 in Orlando. Punk sits in mid-ring with a box and says that MJF has done well for himself but needs to learn more lessons before he can be anywhere close to the "Piper in Portland" which was a talking point before their last bout. MJF is called out to the stage to hear Punk's modest proposal: Piper says that since MJF wants to be tethered to Piper, Punk references the holiday this week, opens the box and produces a dog collar, asking MJF if he will be his Valentine. Brilliant in execution. Just an incredible promo. They seem to be able to spit out all-time classics on a weekly basis. “Will you be my Valentine”. What an incredible line. And what wasn’t mentioned but only implied is that one of the great matches in early ROH history was Punk vs. Raven in a dog-collar match. So much subtlety and brilliance. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 08:46 am PM Quote Reply 2432nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Punk and Moxley both delivered promos last night better than Cody Rhodes on his best day. The entrance also looks much better with one big screen in the middle instead of Cody's personal entranceway. Maybe Cody left because he knows that he won't be missed. Last night's show was great and wouldn't have been improved if Cody had been on the show. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 01:17 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2433rd Post Quattro Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: Posts: 4476 Status: Offline Mana: Kinda reminds me of Jarrett jumping back to WWF after his early nitro horseman stint. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 02:17 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2434th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: Sports Illustrated’s report on Cody Rhodes said that Tony Khan taking over all the booking in AEW was an issue between them. Cody saw that role as a “chance to pay homage to his father [Dusty Rhodes] as a booker while also further cementing his own legacy. Losing that opportunity in AEW hurt Rhodes more than any loss he suffered in the ring.” If it wasn’t evident already, Cody really thinks highly of himself. I have a feeling he’s going to be in for a reality check once he steps foot back in WWE. ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 02:29 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2435th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: Sports Illustrated’s report on Cody Rhodes said that Tony Khan taking over all the booking in AEW was an issue between them. Cody saw that role as a “chance to pay homage to his father [Dusty Rhodes] as a booker while also further cementing his own legacy. Losing that opportunity in AEW hurt Rhodes more than any loss he suffered in the ring.” If it wasn’t evident already, Cody really thinks highly of himself. I have a feeling he’s going to be in for a reality check once he steps foot back in WWE. Under normal circumstances I’d say that WWE would give him a push and kiss his his ass at the beginning just to stick it to AEW and stem the tide in finally having a defection go their way. But these aren’t normal times abs WWE isn’t interested in their product right now. I think the other Khan is going to put Cody in his place from day one. I wouldn’t be surprised if they job him right away. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 02:32 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2436th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Punk and Moxley both delivered promos last night better than Cody Rhodes on his best day. The entrance also looks much better with one big screen in the middle instead of Cody's personal entranceway. Maybe Cody left because he knows that he won't be missed. Last night's show was great and wouldn't have been improved if Cody had been on the show. The great thing about AEW is you can say that about anyone. As great as Punk and MJF have been, if they gave them both a one month hiatus after their PPV match, the show would be fine and they’d give extra air time to Cole or Moxley or whoever. The loss of Omega hurt at first, but now these shows are fantastic again without him, and he’s probably coming back soon. As much of a well-oiled machine as WWE is financially, that’s how it is with the actual shows for AEW. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 02:42 pm PM Quote Reply 2437th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Punk and Moxley both delivered promos last night better than Cody Rhodes on his best day. The entrance also looks much better with one big screen in the middle instead of Cody's personal entranceway. Maybe Cody left because he knows that he won't be missed. Last night's show was great and wouldn't have been improved if Cody had been on the show. The great thing about AEW is you can say that about anyone. As great as Punk and MJF have been, if they gave them both a one month hiatus after their PPV match, the show would be fine and they’d give extra air time to Cole or Moxley or whoever. The loss of Omega hurt at first, but now these shows are fantastic again without him, and he’s probably coming back soon. As much of a well-oiled machine as WWE is financially, that’s how it is with the actual shows for AEW. They've very deliberately created a good number of main event level stars, and more underneath that who can main event on TV. There's a reason why WWE are looking to 1998 and not 2008 to bring back big names for the nostalgia pop. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 03:58 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2438th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: I see some parallels between Cody's AEW tenure and that of his father as the JCP booker 1984-88. Both had aspirations to move into a situation where they could control more of their destiny within the wrestling industry by garnering a top creative role. Once they were entrenched with that position, they expanded their influence and made significant money. However, some of their creative decisions were viewed as vanity projects and under scrutiny show their eye for concepts don't address the nuances that really make the gears turn. Once that scrutiny led to the reins being pulled in, the relationship sours to the degree that it becomes Rhodes to the Exit. Cody's formative years were in the heart of his dad's JCP run and then the departure leading to the WWE, and then back to WCW. The lifestyle that comes with having influential positions needs fuel which is generated by delievering cohesive creative. Is the Road Warriors' spike to Dusty's eye much different than Cody's flaming table stunt vs. Andrade? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 04:15 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2439th Post Infamous 必 勝 Joined: Mon Oct 25th, 2010 Location: Slums Of Shaolin Posts: 2829 Status: Offline Mana: Cody Rhodes to WWE is CM Punk to AEW level Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 04:20 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2440th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/323.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu323')">Infamousa> wrote: Cody Rhodes to WWE is CM Punk to AEW level Ummm… ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 05:00 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2441st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/323.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu323')">Infamousa> wrote: Cody Rhodes to WWE is CM Punk to AEW level I know Vince has Alzheimer’s but even he can’t think that. I’m not sure if you’re joking. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 06:09 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2442nd Post Big Garea Fan MR BASKETBALL Joined: Wed Mar 4th, 2009 Location: Posts: 4686 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: Sports Illustrated’s report on Cody Rhodes said that Tony Khan taking over all the booking in AEW was an issue between them. Cody saw that role as a “chance to pay homage to his father [Dusty Rhodes] as a booker while also further cementing his own legacy. Losing that opportunity in AEW hurt Rhodes more than any loss he suffered in the ring.” If it wasn’t evident already, Cody really thinks highly of himself. I have a feeling he’s going to be in for a reality check once he steps foot back in WWE. Under normal circumstances I’d say that WWE would give him a push and kiss his his ass at the beginning just to stick it to AEW and stem the tide in finally having a defection go their way. But these aren’t normal times abs WWE isn’t interested in their product right now. I think the other Khan is going to put Cody in his place from day one. I wouldn’t be surprised if they job him right away. I agree with srossi. The way WWE treated Sting showed how it now treats top stars from other wrestling organizations. I would expect Cody to get treated even worse since I suspect there are hard feelings from when he left WWE initially. He wasn't even able to use the Rhodes name outside of WWE. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 07:00 pm PM Quote Reply 2443rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/233.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu233')">Big Garea Fana> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: Sports Illustrated’s report on Cody Rhodes said that Tony Khan taking over all the booking in AEW was an issue between them. Cody saw that role as a “chance to pay homage to his father [Dusty Rhodes] as a booker while also further cementing his own legacy. Losing that opportunity in AEW hurt Rhodes more than any loss he suffered in the ring.” If it wasn’t evident already, Cody really thinks highly of himself. I have a feeling he’s going to be in for a reality check once he steps foot back in WWE. Under normal circumstances I’d say that WWE would give him a push and kiss his his ass at the beginning just to stick it to AEW and stem the tide in finally having a defection go their way. But these aren’t normal times abs WWE isn’t interested in their product right now. I think the other Khan is going to put Cody in his place from day one. I wouldn’t be surprised if they job him right away. I agree with srossi. The way WWE treated Sting showed how it now treats top stars from other wrestling organizations. I would expect Cody to get treated even worse since I suspect there are hard feelings from when he left WWE initially. He wasn't even able to use the Rhodes name outside of WWE. I'm not sure. There are many examples that show that Vince respects people who stand up to him. Plenty of people who appeared to burn bridges (Lesnar, Austin, Bret, and many more) have been welcomed back without being buried. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 08:16 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2444th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/233.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu233')">Big Garea Fana> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: Sports Illustrated’s report on Cody Rhodes said that Tony Khan taking over all the booking in AEW was an issue between them. Cody saw that role as a “chance to pay homage to his father [Dusty Rhodes] as a booker while also further cementing his own legacy. Losing that opportunity in AEW hurt Rhodes more than any loss he suffered in the ring.” If it wasn’t evident already, Cody really thinks highly of himself. I have a feeling he’s going to be in for a reality check once he steps foot back in WWE. Under normal circumstances I’d say that WWE would give him a push and kiss his his ass at the beginning just to stick it to AEW and stem the tide in finally having a defection go their way. But these aren’t normal times abs WWE isn’t interested in their product right now. I think the other Khan is going to put Cody in his place from day one. I wouldn’t be surprised if they job him right away. I agree with srossi. The way WWE treated Sting showed how it now treats top stars from other wrestling organizations. I would expect Cody to get treated even worse since I suspect there are hard feelings from when he left WWE initially. He wasn't even able to use the Rhodes name outside of WWE. I'm not sure. There are many examples that show that Vince respects people who stand up to him. Plenty of people who appeared to burn bridges (Lesnar, Austin, Bret, and many more) have been welcomed back without being buried. Everyone you mentioned was a pure WWE creation, at least as a main event talent. Cody was a mid-carder in WWE who kinda sorta thought he was a main eventer in AEW (but even there, not really), so I can see Vince putting him back in his place real quick. I think he gets a little something at first, but will he be chasing the 24/7 title in 6 months as a rib? No one who was made in WCW got a real push. Hell, it took Goldberg 20 years to be pushed the way he should’ve been in 2003. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 10:26 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2445th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Just finished the Cole/Page part of the show. This is best Dynamite in quite a whole. Punk great Wardlow match good. Danielson great. Moxley great (and I don't think I've ever said that in my life). This is real good. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 10:29 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2446th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Maybe I spoke too soon, Jericho and Hager up next. At least Jericho is looking a little better these days. Actually, maybe Jericho isn't looking much better. Maybe he's lost a little weight but he's still got the saggy tits. Last edited on Thu Feb 17th, 2022 10:30 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 10:48 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2447th Post beejmi THE BIG KAHUNA Joined: Sat Oct 13th, 2007 Location: Philly Posts: 52271 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/323.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu323')">Infamousa> wrote: Cody Rhodes to WWE is CM Punk to AEW level Ummm… I can't wait for Friday night! Attached Image (viewed 113 times): AEW.jpg Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 17th, 2022 11:26 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2448th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Great show. Aside from the Cole backstage bit (he needed to lose the Bucks before getting into the program with Page) and the women's match (which I didn't like at all) pretty much everything else was good. Darby and Sami are going to be in wheelchairs by the time they're fifty. Really good match, in spite of that fuckin idiot ref selling all their moves. Was the Karate Kid guy ever involved in AEW before? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Feb 18th, 2022 12:00 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2449th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Was the Karate Kid guy ever involved in AEW before? Yes, there's a running gag that he's Britt Baker's sensei going back months. He was tremendous playing Kreese in AEW last night and encouraging Baker to turn on Mercedes Martinez. That's how celebrity crossovers should be done. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Feb 18th, 2022 12:02 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2450th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1')">beejmia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/323.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu323')">Infamousa> wrote: Cody Rhodes to WWE is CM Punk to AEW level Ummm… I can't wait for Friday night! If this was all a work and Cody showed up doing the Midnight Rider gimmick trying to be an '80s babyface but really being a heel, the heat would be nuclear. This is not a work though, even though a lot of marks online seem to think it is. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Feb 18th, 2022 12:06 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2451st Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Was the Karate Kid guy ever involved in AEW before? Yes, there's a running gag that he's Britt Baker's sensei going back months. He was tremendous playing Kreese in AEW last night and encouraging Baker to turn on Mercedes Martinez. That's how celebrity crossovers should be done. Thanks. I'm watching quite a while and don't remember seeing him. He was good last night. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Feb 18th, 2022 04:43 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2452nd Post Big Garea Fan MR BASKETBALL Joined: Wed Mar 4th, 2009 Location: Posts: 4686 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1')">beejmia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/323.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu323')">Infamousa> wrote: Cody Rhodes to WWE is CM Punk to AEW level Ummm… I can't wait for Friday night! If that Midnight Rider picture is legit, I just became an AEW fan! I remember having a wrestling mag (I think it was PWI) that had a cover story about the Midnight Rider beating Flair in Florida for the belt but then having to return the title to Flair since the Midnight Rider refused to unmask in front of the commissioner (Bob Geigel). Over the years, Dusty would resurrect the Midnight Rider angle a couple of times but it nearly seemed to get over as well as it did this time. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Feb 18th, 2022 04:02 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2453rd Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Dustin Rhodes appears to have gotten the hashtagged term ImwithAEW trending. A quick glance in how it's used ranges from some talent on board with a retell of their experience, to how it is desperation to be relevant from some detractors, to totally unrelated look-at-me moments from tweeters who hope to get followers. This could get as ugly as a Public Enemy house party with all the bandwagon jumpers. Last edited on Fri Feb 18th, 2022 04:03 pm by One Fan Gang Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Feb 18th, 2022 04:06 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2454th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Dustin Rhodes appears to have gotten the hashtagged term ImwithAEW trending. A quick glance in how it's used ranges from some talent on board with a retell of their experience, to how it is desperation to be relevant from some detractors, to totally unrelated look-at-me moments from tweeters who hope to get followers. This could get as ugly as a Public Enemy house party with all the bandwagon jumpers. Dustin has been a bit weird since Cody announced his departure. Just because your brother left doesn't mean you have to leave too. He's been super defensive and has gone over-the-top with the AEW cheerleading. I think it's his WWE PTSD or something, but no one is blaming him for anything. Also want to point out that AEW went out of their way on Dymanite to show that they're not being petty and playing games like WWE does. They mentioned Cody in passing at least 3 or 4 times when it came to the TNT title, not in any overt or forced way, but in a very relevant context to the Guevara vs. Darby match, the history of the TNT title, and the the fact that the only dog-collar match in AEW history was Cody vs. Brodie Lee before Punk challenged MJF to the same. So it was their little way of showing that they're not going to erase history. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Feb 20th, 2022 09:59 pm PM Quote Reply 2455th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: One way that AEW are dealing with their large roster... There were three 10-man tag matches taped on Wednesday for tomorrow night's Dark Elevation. Also two 6-woman tag matches, although one of the trios was unsigned enhancement talent. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Feb 20th, 2022 10:21 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2456th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Terrible idea having these large tag matches so often. And nearly all of them are crap. The match with Sting, Darby and Punk v FTR and MJF is the only good one that springs to mind. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Feb 21st, 2022 05:37 am PM Quote Reply 2457th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Terrible idea having these large tag matches so often. And nearly all of them are crap. The match with Sting, Darby and Punk v FTR and MJF is the only good one that springs to mind. A bit different on Dark, since it's only me watching. Last edited on Mon Feb 21st, 2022 09:53 am by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Feb 21st, 2022 08:03 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2458th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Ha, true. 👍 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Feb 22nd, 2022 11:34 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2459th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: So this graphic is up promoting the tag team battle royal on the 2/23 AEW Dynamite. Someone's going to have to help ID a few of these teams if I have any incorrectly listed. FTR (Dax Harwood/Cash Wheeler) Young Bucks (Matt Jackson/Nick Jackson) Private Party (Marq Quen/Isaiah Kassidy) The Butcher and The Blade 2.0 (Matt Lee/Jeff Parker) REDragon (Bobby Fish and Kyle O'Reilly) Gunn Club/Ass Boys (Austin Gunn/Colten Gunn) Santana/Ortiz Dark Order (John Silver/Alex Reynolds) Chuck Taylor/Trent Barretta Attached Image (viewed 37 times): FMO3Hb_X0AQUn7J.jpg Last edited on Tue Feb 22nd, 2022 11:35 pm by One Fan Gang Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2022 06:47 am PM Quote Reply 2460th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: This Punk-MJF feud is some next level shit. Awesome stuff. Phenomenal show last night. Misses out on being an all-time classic for the lack a great match. Last edited on Thu Feb 24th, 2022 07:59 am by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2022 12:07 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2461st Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Watching it now. Is it pure coincidence that the show has been much better since Cody left? Halfway through the show and the battle royal was much better than I expected and I liked the finish a lot. I even liked the Young Bucks in it. That MJF promo is one of the best I've EVER seen. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2022 01:30 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2462nd Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: Yeah MJF killed it, incredible stuff. And Punk coming out and asking is that true but not on the mic added so much more than if he would have said it on the mic ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2022 01:40 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2463rd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Tremendous, it really was left perfectly. And I'm really looking forward to the match. And here's something in never thought Id say again: Jericho was good. Best promo he's done since I started watched again at some stage mid 2021. And he's looking in better shape by the week. Kingston was fantastic on the mic as always. The Malakai Black Lights on-Lights off stuff is really past it's sell by date. I didn't like it in the beginning but they are doing it several times each time he's in a match. I haven't watched the main event yet but this was a good show again, so far. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2022 02:05 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2464th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Good main event. Danielson in AEW has been almost flawless. Really good show again. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Mar 1st, 2022 02:45 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2465th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: AEW will make their L.A. debut in June. This was why they were blocking Danielson from working PWG, so hopefully they have a big dream match planned for him that night. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Mar 2nd, 2022 04:38 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2466th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Apropos of nothing but Jim Brunzell did a podcast this past week and mentioned how things are so different today. Jim met Don Callis in the early 90s and worked a feud for the WFWA in Winnipeg with him, and still keeps in contact today. Brunzell said how Callis asked for time off from Tony Khan because his girlfriend is/was pregnant, and Khan replied to take all the time he needed. Without Omega, that whole Elite dynamic would just be another guy trying to get mic time, so I could see why it was an opportune time to lay low on Callis' part. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Mar 2nd, 2022 04:51 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2467th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Apropos of nothing but Jim Brunzell did a podcast this past week and mentioned how things are so different today. Jim met Don Callis in the early 90s and worked a feud for the WFWA in Winnipeg with him, and still keeps in contact today. Brunzell said how Callis asked for time off from Tony Khan because his girlfriend is/was pregnant, and Khan replied to take all the time he needed. Without Omega, that whole Elite dynamic would just be another guy trying to get mic time, so I could see why it was an opportune time to lay low on Callis' part. There is no role for Callis right now so this is definitely the right call. When Omega and Callis come back, they'll instantly be fresh and red hot again. The days of being afraid to "lost your spot" are a relic from before good matches were put on TV every week and guys still feared it years after they should've stopped. The real problem is guys getting overexposed by too much TV, and they need the time off. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Mar 2nd, 2022 03:31 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2468th Post krazykid18 The Prophet Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Apropos of nothing but Jim Brunzell did a podcast this past week and mentioned how things are so different today. Jim met Don Callis in the early 90s and worked a feud for the WFWA in Winnipeg with him, and still keeps in contact today. Brunzell said how Callis asked for time off from Tony Khan because his girlfriend is/was pregnant, and Khan replied to take all the time he needed. Without Omega, that whole Elite dynamic would just be another guy trying to get mic time, so I could see why it was an opportune time to lay low on Callis' part. There is no role for Callis right now so this is definitely the right call. When Omega and Callis come back, they'll instantly be fresh and red hot again. The days of being afraid to "lost your spot" are a relic from before good matches were put on TV every week and guys still feared it years after they should've stopped. The real problem is guys getting overexposed by too much TV, and they need the time off. it is not about losing your spot it is about losing interest and in this world where people move on and especially fans who are always ready to complain about anything ....case in point hangman page late spring early summer of last yr hottest face in the business wife gets pregnant and he takes time off, he didn't lose his spot per say but the interest in him is nowhere in the same country as it was during last yr and he has a belt right now Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Mar 2nd, 2022 05:39 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2469th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/27.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu27')">krazykid18a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Apropos of nothing but Jim Brunzell did a podcast this past week and mentioned how things are so different today. Jim met Don Callis in the early 90s and worked a feud for the WFWA in Winnipeg with him, and still keeps in contact today. Brunzell said how Callis asked for time off from Tony Khan because his girlfriend is/was pregnant, and Khan replied to take all the time he needed. Without Omega, that whole Elite dynamic would just be another guy trying to get mic time, so I could see why it was an opportune time to lay low on Callis' part. There is no role for Callis right now so this is definitely the right call. When Omega and Callis come back, they'll instantly be fresh and red hot again. The days of being afraid to "lost your spot" are a relic from before good matches were put on TV every week and guys still feared it years after they should've stopped. The real problem is guys getting overexposed by too much TV, and they need the time off. it is not about losing your spot it is about losing interest and in this world where people move on and especially fans who are always ready to complain about anything ....case in point hangman page late spring early summer of last yr hottest face in the business wife gets pregnant and he takes time off, he didn't lose his spot per say but the interest in him is nowhere in the same country as it was during last yr and he has a belt right now 20 years ago, that would have cost Page his spot. And for the reason that you just explained - he was white hot, and now he's not. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 02:04 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2470th Post cheapseats Joined: Thu Jul 8th, 2010 Location: Eastern Panhandle , West Virginia USA Posts: 1249 Status: Offline Mana: Ring of Honor is all elite. WOW! ____________________ Never said that I could 100 % substantiate it. And convincing you 100 % is not a concern of mine. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 02:08 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2471st Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: What does this even mean though? Other than bundling ROH and AEW footage to build a streaming service I’m not really sure what they bought. ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 02:17 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2472nd Post Franchise Low key big hog Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Ohio , USA Posts: 6045 Status: Offline Mana: hopefully it means my son can watch the AEW PPV on the ROH app because B/R is still lame. ____________________ Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 02:21 am Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2473rd Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: What does this even mean though? Other than bundling ROH and AEW footage to build a streaming service I’m not really sure what they bought. IF they got "ROH Wrestling" then they got the weekly hour TV spots that Sinclair runs in every market that they have a channel. And they have over 300 stations. What this will do for AEW is get them into places that do not have cable TV and allow a lot more people to see his product for free. Meaning, while those that maybe cannot afford cable or choose not to have it may also not choose to spend their spare change on wrestling tickets and merch...he at least can use that hour of TV time to passively advertise everything that they do while still having a wrestling show. Also, if they bought everything, then don't they now own the ROH streaming service (I think there is one, isn't there?)? That would be huge, because it's an investment in something that works. He could just add AEW content to an already established base. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 03:51 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2474th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tony Khan is so autistic and awkward but how do you not root for that guy? He should never cut another promo again, but if ROH had to be sold thank God it wound up in his hands instead of just being buried in a WWE vault somewhere with all the other stuff. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 05:22 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2475th Post Blazer Head Auditor, CPA Joined: Sun Sep 4th, 2011 Location: Posts: 9544 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tony Khan is so autistic and awkward but how do you not root for that guy? He should never cut another promo again, but if ROH had to be sold thank God it wound up in his hands instead of just being buried in a WWE vault somewhere with all the other stuff. LOL. I know this is going to make me look like an out-of-touch idiot on a pro wrestling board, but I literally had never seen the guy before until just three minutes ago. Watching this clip on YouTube. That's Tony Khan??? I was picturing more of a Dana White looking guy. Anyway, I popped for his "Shane's not here! There's no Shane!" <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCL4NEtPiz4" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCL4NEtPiz4A> ____________________ "Well, maybe I like the nightlife just a little bit more than I like the damn gym, jack! And when you're makin' $500,000 a year, there ain't no reason to change what you're doing." - Dusty Rhodes, 1/4/1986 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 05:25 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2476th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Another outstanding Punk-MJF segment. They’re doing Breaking Bad while WWE is doing According to Jim. This is high art that Picasso would be proud of and WWE is finger painting with the kindergarten class. Just amazing stuff. Probably the greatest promo segments in the history of the business. And seriously, they’re doing things that cinematographers and costume designers in Academy Award winning films do. Dressing them both in white, not just symbolically to further the “good guy” narrative but also to highlight the blood to come. This shit is next level in a way we’ve never seen before in wrestling history. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 05:37 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2477th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Carey Silkin: Congrats to @tonykhan and @aewlive At least I feel my baby is in good hands. What a long strange trip it’s been!!@ringofhonor #aew #watchroh ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 05:38 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2478th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Rob Feinstein: Everyone asking me my thoughts on Tony Kahn purchasing ROH. As the founder and creator of the company along with Doug Gentry it just shows to show you that we created something that could never die!!! Our ideas changed the business forever and there is never denying that we gave the platform and stage for many performers to shine and showcase their art to a perfection. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 05:44 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2479th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Deonna Purrazzo, who is an Impact talent currently holding the ROH Women’s title as part of their cross-over angle, just tweeted “Well, things just got interesting…” along with a picture of her with the belt. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 05:59 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2480th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Gabe Sapolsky: Congrats to Tony Khan on becoming owner of Ring Of Honor. I never dreamed 20 years ago that it would be a part of a prominent promotion on TBS. This is wild. So happy that many more can enjoy the legacy of ROH and it will continue to blaze a path in the world of pro wrestling. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 06:02 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2481st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: PWInsider: AEW President Tony Khan just announced live on Dynamite that he has purchased Ring of Honor Wrestling from Sinclair Broadcast Group. Sinclair, facing heavy financial losses due to a number of factors including the COVID-19 pandemic, opted to place ROH on a hiatus in December 2021 with the idea of returning to action this April with Supercard of Honor 2022. By selling off the company to Khan and AEW instead of continuing to operate the promotion on what one would assume was a reduced budget, Sinclair instead takes an entire division off their books (which are not in a great place based on their most recent quarterly earnings report), bringing in revenue for the sale. So, instead of the promised re-imagining of ROH, Khan will steer the promotion that was the spiritual predecessor of both AEW and the Triple H-led version of WWE NXT. Going forward, Khan would have pretty much a blank slate to conjure the next chapter as most of ROH's contracted talents had their deals expire at the end of 2021 with the remaining slated to expire at the end of this March. So, if Khan wishes to retain anyone from the Ring of Honor roster, he would have to go and sign them to new deals. ROH Champion Jonathan Gresham, who is slated to wrestle Bandido in the main event of the 4/1 Supercard of Honor PPV, was backstage at AEW's recent taping in Bridgeport, CT. Tag Champions The Briscoes, Pure Champion Josh Woods, TV Champion Rhett Titus and Six Man Tag Team Champions The Righteous are all free and clear contractually. The ROH Women's World Champion is currently Deonna Purrazzo, but she's just a phone call away via Impact Wrestling management. Among a number of ROH talents who had been part of the roster at 2021, there had been frustration over a lack of communication from management advising them whether they would be booked going forward for the 4/1 Supercard of Honor or beyond. This announcement explains that silence, at least in part. Based on feedback from multiple ROH wrestlers who were working for the company last year (as my cell phone exploded with texts), none seemed to be aware (or would admit they were aware) that this was going to be announced.. There had been rumors of Sinclair looking to unload ROH going back to before the COVID-19 pandemic, but nothing was ever truly substantiated beyond whispers of potential sales discussions, which were routinely shot down by Joe Koff when asked for comment. There were at least preliminary conversations with WWE several years ago, according to sources in WWE familiar with the matter, but the terms were never right for each party and nothing ever came of the discussions. With the sale of Ring of Honor, Khan would obviously acquire the entire ROH video library, which dates back to the company's debut in February 2002 and would also include the All In PPV, which ended up pretty much being the "proof of concept" event for AEW. If and when Khan decides to launch a streaming service or license his content out to a third party streaming service, the ROH library greatly enriches the overall AEW library well beyond what they have produced since 2019 when AEW was founded. Sinclair purchased Ring of Honor in May 2011 from previous owner Cary Silkin, who self-financed the promotion off the success of his ticketing company. Silkin has since been the company's official Ambassador and one would hope he would continue on in some form of that role going forward. One would think the sale is a bittersweet moment for ROH COO Joe Koff, who truly loved the promotion and relished overseeing it. There is no word what this means for the ROH office in Baltimore and whether they would be assimilated into other areas of Sinclair Broadcast Group. Given the large amount of talents under contract to AEW, it makes the most logical sense that Ring of Honor continue on as a separate entity. Khan's speech certainly made it clear that ROH is still a thing going forward, not that this was a sale to grab the library assets. A number of AEW stars, including CM Punk, Brian Danielson, Jay Lethal, Christopher Daniels, Frankie Kazarian and many more have ties back to ROH's earliest days and could always appear for the promotion in some fashion. Tonight's AEW Dynamite opened with two-thirds of the original ROH main event, Bryan Danielson vs. Christopher Daniels (Low Ki was the missing third competitor), so already AEW is peppering ROH history into their TV series. AEW could easily populate Ring of Honor with contracted AEW talents who are underutilized and not featured regularly on Dynamite or Rampage, giving them a "home" and then accentuate those competitors with former ROH alumni that AEW wants to retain. They could also convert one of the AEW Dark series into a Ring of Honor branded show or try to sell a separate brand to Warner Media. There is no word yet whether Hunter "Delirious" Johnston would remain on as booker, whether Tony Khan would take over the creative or if someone from AEW or beyond could be tapped in that role. Over the course of ROH history, only four men have held that creative pencil - Gabe Sapolsky, Johnston, Jim Cornette and Adam Pearce. There is no also word yet whether the sale would include AEW receiving the ROH time slots on Sinclair Broadcast Group affiliates, CHARGE, Stadium, The New England Sports Network, etc. Khan stated the purchase took place today, so it's possible such things have not been fully worked out. As I wrote back in December 2021 around ROH's Final Battle PPV, the Ring of Honor everyone knew ended with that event. Today's announcement simply drops a giant exclamation point at the end of that statement. ROH will live on, but it will never, ever be the promotion it once was. As I have written before, ROH was meant to be many things, but stagnant was not one of them. This may provide the much-needed boost and electric shock to get the ROH motor purring again in a way it may never have been able to accomplish under Sinclair. ROH has a 4/1 Supercard of Honor PPV as well as a 4/10 TV Taping in Philadelphia at the 2300 Arena on the schedule currently. Whether either of those take place - or take place as originally envisioned - remains to be seen. With this new chapter in ROH history announced, it should be noted there are two forthcoming books that will catch the attention of ROH fans in the works. Jonathan Snowden, who penned the excellent Ken Shamrock book that was released in May 2020, is teaming with former ROH and current AEW staffer Shane Hagadorn to write a book about the history and legacy of the promotion. Ring of Honor Ambassador and former owner Cary Silkin has been working on a memoir about his life in ROH and beyond that is expected to be released within the next year as well. Silkin has been working on that project for a long time. As for AEW, they have a slew of shows this week and now also get fans to wonder which, if any, ROH alumni are going to show up as the company heads towards the 2022 Revolution PPV in Orlando, Florida. PWInsider.com will continue to follow the story and update as needed. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 07:12 am PM Quote Reply 2482nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: You've got to think that they at least tried to get Low-Ki on this show for the opening match. Would be interesting to know who said no. On a different point, I hope that Impact get folded into this AEW-ROH Universe. They have done the most to keep the ROH name alive for the past couple of months, and I think the Honor No More group signed on to Impact. If they all worked together and promoted each other's stuff, you could do some pretty unique stuff and have an endless supply of new matches with AEW-ROH-Impact-AAA-NJPW all working together more than just sharing wrestlers. Last edited on Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 07:16 am by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 07:16 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2483rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: You've got to think that they at least tried to get Low-Ki on this show for the opening match. Would be interesting to know who said no. I can’t even begin to imagine that Low-Ki would say no. I doubt they asked. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 07:17 am PM Quote Reply 2484th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: You've got to think that they at least tried to get Low-Ki on this show for the opening match. Would be interesting to know who said no. I can’t even begin to imagine that Low-Ki would say no. I doubt they asked. Maybe MLW said no. I can imagine the "Brandon being Brandon" scenario of Low-Ki wanting to win since he won the original match. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 07:41 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2485th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Just watched the show... Tony Khan is authistic Danielson v Daniels was good and I loved the 'handshake' bit at the end, even though it was obvious. Moxley sounded like the Warrior in that promo after the match. Casino tag team... I really don't get the idea behind two tag team battle royales on consecutive weeks, with much the same teams in both. All to get into a triple threat tag match... Overbooked nonsense. Went on forever and more Danhausen bullshit. Like last week's match when it got to the finish and there were only 3 teams left if wasn't that bad. Jericho with another decent promo, but he can't help himself with the smart /smark stuff. MJF and Punk was great again, but a part of me wishes they hadn't done this the week after that promo last week. Still, this program is about as good as any I've ever seen in 30+ years watching. Women's match was awful. And by the main event (another six man tag) I was kinda sick of it. Anyway, the PPV should be great. 2 Questions for anyone who wants to help me out... 1. JR said MJF might be 'wrestling's version of Sybil'. What the fuck does that mean? 2. JR keeps calling John Silver 'Johnny Hungy'. What the fuck does that mean? Last edited on Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 07:47 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 07:52 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2486th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Just watched the show... 2 Questions for anyone who wants to help me out... 1. JR said MJF might be 'wrestling's version of Sybil'. What the fuck does that mean? 2. JR keeps calling John Silver 'Johnny Hungy'. What the fuck does that mean? 1. Dated '70s movie reference about a woman with split personalities. He's been using the line for 30 years. 2. A character he created on Being the Elite, but I rarely watch that show so I'm not sure of the details. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 08:05 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2487th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Thanks. I don't remember hearing JR use that line before but I'm guessing it washed over me. I don't even know what Being the Elite is and I don't think I want to but thanks for that too. I'll say this for JR, I did laugh at how he scoffed at the whole Danhausen thing this week. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 08:18 pm PM Quote Reply 2488th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: There really isn't anything to the Johnny Hungy gimmick. Just that he needs to eat a lot to keep in shape, and he's a bit dumb so he says "Johnny Hungy" when he's hungry. No idea why JR has latched onto it, and he hasn't used that gimmick on BTE for about a year now. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 08:20 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2489th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: You've got to think that they at least tried to get Low-Ki on this show for the opening match. Would be interesting to know who said no. I can’t even begin to imagine that Low-Ki would say no. I doubt they asked. Maybe MLW said no. I can imagine the "Brandon being Brandon" scenario of Low-Ki wanting to win since he won the original match. Low-Ki hasn't wrestled in MLW for a year and I'm not sure if he's under contract still but it seems unlikely. I can definitely see Low-Ki wanting to go over though. I still doubt they even contacted him. I was a little surprised that they didn't even mention his name as the 3rd man. Seems like that's something Excalibur would throw out there, and the fact that he didn't leads me to believe he was told not to mention him. Low-Ki has heat with a lot of people. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 08:21 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2490th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I did assume he had said it once or something. The Sybil reference is completely alien to me. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Mar 4th, 2022 01:24 pm PM Quote Reply 2491st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Josh Woods made his third AEW appearance at the Dark tapings yesterday, getting his first win. He got some mic time with a Tony Schiavone post-match interview where he was acknowledged as the ROH Pure Champion for the first time in AEW. I don't think he had the belt with him, but that wouldn't be surprising, since before the takeover, AEW wasn't going to continue to promote the Pure, Television or 6-man titles. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2022 05:14 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2492nd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Watching Rampage at the moment so some spoilers below... The first match was what you'd expect with the talent involved - Andrade, Darby and Sami. Very entertaining. Then more total fuckin shit with Malakai Black, Pac etc. The do the same thing with the security that they did week or two, except this week one of the faces breaks a security guard's arm for no reason. Very stupid. This whole angle sucks and while Malakai is good in the ring and on the mic everything he's involved in is annoying at this stage,to me. Keith Lee looked good but gave way too much offense to his opponent. Serena Deeb had another quick match. Has Serena lost a match in AEW? Eddie Kingston is gold. I hope Jericho goes full heel on Sunday. Hell of a sell job by Kyle O Reilly at the very end, after the main ever which was fine Last edited on Sat Mar 5th, 2022 05:29 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2022 05:43 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2493rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: As a big Lucha Underground fan, I popped big for Penta bringing back his arm-breaking character from that show. He was a legit superstar in that company and could be a legit Main eventer despite the language barrier if AEW presented him that way again. Fenix is the flashier brother but Penta is a star. He just has “it”. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2022 06:32 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2494th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I had no idea he had an arm-breaking character, or why any of this stuff is happening. I don't need to be spoonfed but it's hard to know why a lot of stuff is happening if you're a newer fan, like me. Wouldn't harm the show to give a little more explanation or exposition now and again (see Danhausen). I do like Penta myself, much more than Fennix, from what little I've seen of them. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2022 06:51 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2495th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I had no idea he had an arm-breaking character, or why any of this stuff is happening. I don't need to be spoonfed but it's hard to know why a lot of stuff is happening if you're a newer fan, like me. Wouldn't harm the show to give a little more explanation or exposition now and again (see Danhausen). I do like Penta myself, much more than Fennix, from what little I've seen of them. They definitely need to work on that. I can tell just from Twitter and Facebook comments that a lot of people watching are not the super smarks AEW think they are. Random references to guys who have never even wrestled in AEW, like Josh Alexander and even Eddie Edwards, are very confusing to many, much less some of the call-backs they do to things that happened years before AEW existed. Even the Malakai Black-Buddy Mathews stuff, which happened in WWE, isn’t exactly memorable without some type of explanation as to what’s going on. That said, I look at it like Easter eggs. If you most take the show at face value, you can enjoy 90% of it. But if you’re a super-fan who knows everything, you’ll get treats that further your enjoyment. There are always sone things in great TV shows that I don’t get upon an initial viewing, and then I read about it online and find all of these wonderful hidden references. Wrestling fans have just been trained not to have to think after 20 years of nothing but WWE. AEW is writing at the level of “Breaking Bad” or “The Wire”, so you’ll always miss something. WWE is “According to Jim” where they’ll say the most obvious joke, repeat it 13 times, add a laugh track so you know it’s supposed to be funny, and if you miss the episode it doesn’t matter anyway because the next one will be the same. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2022 07:03 pm PM Quote Reply 2496th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I had no idea he had an arm-breaking character, or why any of this stuff is happening. I don't need to be spoonfed but it's hard to know why a lot of stuff is happening if you're a newer fan, like me. Wouldn't harm the show to give a little more explanation or exposition now and again (see Danhausen). I do like Penta myself, much more than Fennix, from what little I've seen of them. They definitely need to work on that. I can tell just from Twitter and Facebook comments that a lot of people watching are not the super smarks AEW think they are. Random references to guys who have never even wrestled in AEW, like Josh Alexander and even Eddie Edwards, are very confusing to many, much less some of the call-backs they do to things that happened years before AEW existed. Even the Malakai Black-Buddy Mathews stuff, which happened in WWE, isn’t exactly memorable without some type of explanation as to what’s going on. I really hate all the "But what about the casual fans?" bullshit. (Funniest when it comes from people who are the opposite of casual fans.) TV and Hollywood have realised that fans love continuity, call-backs and Easter eggs. That's what the internet is for. If you don't get why something happened, you can look it up or ask someone. For the genuine casual fans, they won't care if it's explained to them or not. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2022 07:08 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2497th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Yeah, there's a balance to be had and I get the easter egg idea. But there's a difference between an easter egg (which it doesn't matter if you don't get it, it just may add to enjoyment if you DO) and screaming that it's BRODIE KING!!! or BUDDY MATTHEWS!!! or whoever and assume everyone knows who he is. Which I think you agree with. Quick one-there was a surprise appearance on Rampage at the end of that Malakai Black bit. Was he in AEW before? And was he called that name in AEW (or anywhere else) before? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2022 07:09 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2498th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I had no idea he had an arm-breaking character, or why any of this stuff is happening. I don't need to be spoonfed but it's hard to know why a lot of stuff is happening if you're a newer fan, like me. Wouldn't harm the show to give a little more explanation or exposition now and again (see Danhausen). I do like Penta myself, much more than Fennix, from what little I've seen of them. They definitely need to work on that. I can tell just from Twitter and Facebook comments that a lot of people watching are not the super smarks AEW think they are. Random references to guys who have never even wrestled in AEW, like Josh Alexander and even Eddie Edwards, are very confusing to many, much less some of the call-backs they do to things that happened years before AEW existed. Even the Malakai Black-Buddy Mathews stuff, which happened in WWE, isn’t exactly memorable without some type of explanation as to what’s going on. I really hate all the "But what about the casual fans?" bullshit. (Funniest when it comes from people who are the opposite of casual fans.) TV and Hollywood have realised that fans love continuity, call-backs and Easter eggs. That's what the internet is for. If you don't get why something happened, you can look it up or ask someone. For the genuine casual fans, they won't care if it's explained to them or not. I completely disagree. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2022 07:20 pm PM Quote Reply 2499th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Quick one-there was a surprise appearance on Rampage at the end of that Malakai Black bit. Was he in AEW before? And was he called that name in AEW (or anywhere else) before? Erick Redbeard. He was Erick Rowan in the Wyatt Family in WWE and then used the Redbeard name in his sporadic indie appearances after he was released way back in the first released in April 2020. He made a brief cameo on the Brodie Lee memorial show, but he's never wrestled in AEW. I'm not too excited about this one, because he's nowhere near to being good enough in the ring. Fine if he's just in to be a big guy for one match, but they don't need to sign him. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2022 07:24 pm PM Quote Reply 2500th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I had no idea he had an arm-breaking character, or why any of this stuff is happening. I don't need to be spoonfed but it's hard to know why a lot of stuff is happening if you're a newer fan, like me. Wouldn't harm the show to give a little more explanation or exposition now and again (see Danhausen). I do like Penta myself, much more than Fennix, from what little I've seen of them. They definitely need to work on that. I can tell just from Twitter and Facebook comments that a lot of people watching are not the super smarks AEW think they are. Random references to guys who have never even wrestled in AEW, like Josh Alexander and even Eddie Edwards, are very confusing to many, much less some of the call-backs they do to things that happened years before AEW existed. Even the Malakai Black-Buddy Mathews stuff, which happened in WWE, isn’t exactly memorable without some type of explanation as to what’s going on. I really hate all the "But what about the casual fans?" bullshit. (Funniest when it comes from people who are the opposite of casual fans.) TV and Hollywood have realised that fans love continuity, call-backs and Easter eggs. That's what the internet is for. If you don't get why something happened, you can look it up or ask someone. For the genuine casual fans, they won't care if it's explained to them or not. I completely disagree. What part? TV and Hollywood, especially any kind of sci-fi or fantasy stuff (which has a similar fanbase to wrestling) has almost completely given up on hand-holding and embraced nerd-culture. So that's just a true fact. When you don't know what something is, you come here and ask questions about it. So that's another fact. Maybe you don't like this, but I think you're in the minority. The biggest movie of 2022 is the Spider-Man movie which requires you to have seen eight previous movies (at least) to get the most out of it. This is the way. Last edited on Sat Mar 5th, 2022 08:03 pm by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain
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Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2022 07:57 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2501st Post Jim_Irish
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Erick Redbeard. He was Erick Rowan in the Wyatt Family in WWE and then used the Redbeard name in his sporadic indie appearances after he was released way back in the first released in April 2020. He made a brief cameo on the Brodie Lee memorial show, but he's never wrestled in AEW. I'm not too excited about this one, because he's nowhere near to being good enough in the ring. Fine if he's just in to be a big guy for one match, but they don't need to sign him. Thanks, I did remember him as Rowan. Just wondered what he's done since and if he was another one where AEW just assumed everyone knew him.
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I do like Penta myself, much more than Fennix, from what little I've seen of them.
They definitely need to work on that. I can tell just from Twitter and Facebook comments that a lot of people watching are not the super smarks AEW think they are. Random references to guys who have never even wrestled in AEW, like Josh Alexander and even Eddie Edwards, are very confusing to many, much less some of the call-backs they do to things that happened years before AEW existed. Even the Malakai Black-Buddy Mathews stuff, which happened in WWE, isn’t exactly memorable without some type of explanation as to what’s going on.
I really hate all the "But what about the casual fans?" bullshit. (Funniest when it comes from people who are the opposite of casual fans.) TV and Hollywood have realised that fans love continuity, call-backs and Easter eggs. That's what the internet is for. If you don't get why something happened, you can look it up or ask someone. For the genuine casual fans, they won't care if it's explained to them or not.
I completely disagree.
What part? TV and Hollywood, especially any kind of sci-fi or fantasy stuff (which has a similar fanbase to wrestling) has almost completely given up on hand-holding and embraced nerd-culture. So that's just a true fact. When you don't know what something is, you come here and ask questions about it. So that's another fact. Maybe you don't like this, but I think you're in the minority. The biggest movie of 2022 is the Spider-Man movie which requires you to have seen eight previous movies (at least) to get the most out of it. This is the way.
Sorry, I should have phrased it differently. I don't disagree that this is happening a lot in Hollywood, mainly with comic book, super hero and star wars type stuff. I disagree that doing what they are doing in AEW is good and I think it's something they could easily improve without detracting from anything else. 2 examples of what I hate... 1. Danhausen has appeared maybe 3 times in the past month. The only mention of him is when he appears from under the ring. And the announcers just shout his name. Last week one of them said 'Danhausen' s put him under a spell! ' 2. The former WWE star Buddy Murphy turns up unexpectedly. I saw him in WWE and I remember him cos he was good. I don't remember him with Malakai but I never saw that. Anyway, it's a surprise... And appears and immediately Excalibur starts screaming that it's Buddy Matthews, which again assumes everyone knows who he is but here's my big problem... He's a surprise. The announcers play it off like a surprise. The wrestlers play it off like a surprise. Yet Excalibur knows his name is Buddy Matthews, which he has never been know as before. They could easily have introduced him slightly differently (with the same angle, just have Malakai introduce him by name after or whatever.
I don't disagree that this many hardcore fans like or don't mind this. I don't like it, I don't like it and I don't think it does anything to attract and keep new fans.
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Erick Redbeard. He was Erick Rowan in the Wyatt Family in WWE and then used the Redbeard name in his sporadic indie appearances after he was released way back in the first released in April 2020. He made a brief cameo on the Brodie Lee memorial show, but he's never wrestled in AEW. I'm not too excited about this one, because he's nowhere near to being good enough in the ring. Fine if he's just in to be a big guy for one match, but they don't need to sign him. Thanks, I did remember him as Rowan. Just wondered what he's done since and if he was another one where AEW just assumed everyone knew him.
He hasn’t done much since except small indy shows, but he was in WWE for years so not sure how anyone could not know him. He also made one previous AEW appearance on the Brodie Lee tribute show just as a special guest to honor his friend.
Also, when people bitch that “no one knows these guys”, well 20,000 fans cheering and chanting in the live crowd suggests otherwise. Danhausen got a monster pop and chant even as some fans online complained they didn’t know who he was. So it doesn’t seem like an issue for the paying consumers.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Yes to be fair I'd imagine most people knew who he was I was just more curious on the name as I hadn't heard that before. Didn't the Rock beat him real quick at some wrestlemania? Was thst the Rock's last match? Last edited on Sat Mar 5th, 2022 08:20 pm by Jim_Irish
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Yes he was the guy squashed in 5 seconds by The Rock, although I hope his Wyatt Family stuff would be better remembered than that.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: It was the Wyatt Family I remember but then that popped into my head. He never stood out to me aside from his size. Braun Strowman at least looked like he had a bit more to him at one stage but we know how that worked out.
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Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2022 08:32 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2507th Post srossi
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Rowan was not half the worker that Brodie or Wyatt were. I always thought Brodie was the best honestly, even when WWE wasn’t doing much with him. When he got that surprise I-C title run, I was really happy for him and he killed it. Strowman went from being awful to being very serviceable as a big man and probably passed Rowan as a big man too. Rowan is one of those AEW signings that seem unnecessary given then talent still out there and how large the roster already is. He has a decent look, and that’s the best I can say about him.
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Rowan was not half the worker that Brodie or Wyatt were. I always thought Brodie was the best honestly, even when WWE wasn’t doing much with him. When he got that surprise I-C title run, I was really happy for him and he killed it. Strowman went from being awful to being very serviceable as a big man and probably passed Rowan as a big man too. Rowan is one of those AEW signings that seem unnecessary given then talent still out there and how large the roster already is. He has a decent look, and that’s the best I can say about him.
I suspect he might just be in for one night to do the job and put over Brody King.
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When Redbeard came out the previous time for the Brodie Lee show, I think it was Jericho who screamed "It's Erick Rowan!!" like he was at the end of a Scooby-Doo episode ripping off the rubber mask of the captured bad guy. Quickly thereafter Excalibur and others made sure to use the Redbeard name as if there was going to be legal wrangling. Is the branding of these talents such an issue to be nervous from a legal standpoint? Because there are numerous examples of wrestlers who do independents who are advertised with new names and and FKA underneath, and plenty more who use their WWE music for entrances. If WWE wanted to play whack-a-mole to pound down an indie every time this happens, they'd be playing for a long time.
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When Redbeard came out the previous time for the Brodie Lee show, I think it was Jericho who screamed "It's Erick Rowan!!" like he was at the end of a Scooby-Doo episode ripping off the rubber mask of the captured bad guy. Quickly thereafter Excalibur and others made sure to use the Redbeard name as if there was going to be legal wrangling. Is the branding of these talents such an issue to be nervous from a legal standpoint? Because there are numerous examples of wrestlers who do independents who are advertised with new names and and FKA underneath, and plenty more who use their WWE music for entrances. If WWE wanted to play whack-a-mole to pound down an indie every time this happens, they'd be playing for a long time.
AEW is not an indy. WWE has long since let talents get away with using their trademarks on untelevised shows, but often even on local TV they use a different name. However I’m pretty sure that it’s impossible to sue if you said something like, “This is Redbeard, formerly known as Erick Rowan.” That’s just fact, not advertising someone else’s trademark. It’s much different than saying, “Next week on Dynamite, we’ll have Erick Rowan!”
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: UFC star Paige VanZandt will officially sign an AEW contract next week. She had made a few appearances as part of Dan Lambert’s MMA crew.
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Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2022 10:33 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2513th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Has she wrestled yet? She looked promising in the few promos and bits she was involved in with Lambert and Co.
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Ethan Page announced on his most recent vlog of his pending move to America and as of April 1 this year will be able to travel more easily for AEW and also take outside bookings while flying out of Detroit.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Malakai Black, Brody King, and Buddy Matthews beat Penta, Pac, and Redbeard in a tremendous match that could've main evented the PPV and no one would've complained, and this was on the pre-show.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: CM Punk comes out to his old ROH music by AFI and announced as "The Second City Saint" again. He also wore ring gear that was a tribute to what he wore in his ROH dog-collar match against Raven. Easter eggs.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: William Regal came out at the end of the Danielson-Moxley match and made them shake hands and got a huge pop. Considering how long it's been since he was used in any meaningful role, it was great to hear that AEW crowd treat him like a legend.
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Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: So I ordered the PPV tonight, which I believe is the first PPV I’ve bought since One Night Stand in 2005. Great show as expected, spoilers below:
Buy In Preshow Leyla Hirsch vs Kris Statlander- decent opener, they tried but nothing great here. Hirsch works hard but with her size she’ll never really get over. Tony Schiavone interviewed Don Callis, pretty much telling everyone Omega will be back sooner rather than later. Hook vs QT Marshall- typical Hook match. Crowd loves him and he’s on the right track Penta PAC & Redbeard vs House of Black - excellent six man tag match. Redbeard takes the pin which should continue the feud since he’s not really a part of everything. Penta is just incredible. Main Card Jericho vs Kingston - good match, Kingston finally wins a big match which played into the storyline. I felt like Jericho should’ve won here but let’s see where they go with it. Jericho turned heel at the end by not shaking Eddie’s hand. I love Kingstons promos but I don’t think there’s ever been a guy on PPV with a bigger beer belly. I don’t care but it did stand out from what we’re used to. Jurassic Express vs Young Bucks Vs Red Dragon. - phenomenal three way tag title match, probably one of the best multiple team matches I’ve ever seen. Dinosaurs retain the titles. Face of Revolution Ladder Match: Christian vs Powerhouse Hobbs vs Keith Lee vs Wardlow vs Ricky Starks vs Orange Cassidy - another great match, with a lot of new ladder spots I had never seen before. Wardlow wins and the crowd is so ready for this guy to break through. Tony Schiavone introduces Shane Strickland as the newest AEW signee. I don’t know him but he has a helluva presence. Jade Cargill vs stay Conti- decent match. They’re both inexperienced but try hard. Cargill is 2022 Sid Vicious, she has the look and we’ll see if she can put it all together. Cargill retains to stay undefeated. Punk vs MJF Dog Collar Match - good but not great and this one killed the crowd. Punk with a killer entrance and he bled as heavily as anyone has in a long time. They beat the hell out of each other and brought thumbtacks in at the end. Wardlow finally turns on MJF and gives Punk the ring after he “couldn’t find it” moments earlier. Punk wins to end the feud but it went a bit too long. Britt Baker vs Thunder Rosa - solid match and the crowd wanted to be into this and were at times but were tired after the previous match, as was I. Baker wins to retain. Moxley vs Danielson- great match. Crowd was still a bit tired but were into this at the end. Moxley wins out of nowhere in the expected great match. William Regal comes out at the end and slaps both guys likely forming their alliance. Sting Darby Allen & Sammy Guevara vs Andrade Matt Hardy & Isaiah Cassidy - way better than I expected and totally got the crowd back into the show. Crazy match with so many high spots. Big move was Sting diving off a balcony into Andrade. Good guys win at the end. Hangman Page vs Adam Cole- great world title match. Hangman wins in the match you would expect these guys to have but it was still really good. I don’t know if Hangman is the guy to carry the company but he’s damn good.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Fantastic show, which should really come as no surprise. The only slight complaint was that is was just so relentless. It's hard to stay focussed for so long, basically five hours. I think these AEW PPV shows will probably be rated even higher in the future, when they can be watched without fatigue setting in.
They need to give the women longer matches on TV, probably on Dark, to get them working better. Most of the women's matches on TV are either squashes or multi-woman matches, and they aren't improving quickly enough to have these 15 minute matches on PPV.
Surprised that Layla Hirsch is still wearing her Russian gear, although she wasn't announced from Moscow this time. It's not even about the politics, but in the real world, any competing Russian athlete has to compete as a neutral at the moment in any sport. Having her win with a blatant heel move was a strange one, and the whole match had me thinking about what the real Leyla Hirsch's position is, and they should have been doing everything they could to NOT make me think that.
Interesting that William Regal is still William Regal. I was thinking he would be Steven Regal, but I guess WWE don't own the William Regal name. Another great addition. AEW could do a two hour Dynamite that was only promos and no one would complain.
It's quite incredible that Page being the champion still ties into the very first match on the first AEW show.
Cody who?
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Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2022 12:21 pm PM Quote Reply 2523rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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CM Punk talks about Tony Khan, and not WWE, buying ROH:
CM Punk says that he is "relieved" that Tony Khan bought ROH and its video library, and that Vince McMahon did not.
Speaking at the post-Revolution press conference, Punk was frank that he did not want Vince McMahon to own the footage of his ROH career.
"I was relieved," Punk said. "Let's be honest. Either Tony was gonna but it, or Vince [McMahon] was gonna by it. And I don't want Vince to own my footage. He owns enough of it and I don't get paid off it."
Punk said that when he left WWE in 2014, a source of strife between him and the company was his asking questions about how he and others were going to be paid once WWE Network launched.
"I've watched my royalty checks, which I still get, dwindle to nothing, because they just put everything on the network. And the boys don't get paid. That's not just me, that's everybody. That's criminal," said Punk.
"I loved ROH so much, and I can't explain how happy that I am that my footage, it's in good hands," Punk said. "It's just good to know it's in the hands of somebody who will treat it well. I literally feel like my baby is in someone's hands who will raise the child the right way and do good things with it. And it won't get made into just some tab on a sh*tty, confusing app that's hard to navigate and the boys don't get paid anything off it."
As to his run with AEW, Punk said that he is glad to have a second chance in his wrestling career.
"I didn't get to do this for seven years. This didn't exist for seven years. Obviously, the truth is that i love professional wrestling very much," Punk said. "So to come back and to be able to, for six months, it's not just do whatever the f*ck you want, it's doing whatever the f*ck you want and being cocky enough to know that your way is, not the right way, there's never only one right way, but to have somebody who listens to you, and can take an idea and make it even better, and just to have an open dialogue."
Punk also said that he is grateful to have a chance to write the end to his career that Bret Hart never had the opportunity to.
"I love Bret Hart. Bret Hart's career got cut short. And it's a godd*mn tragedy. And there's people who go over to Saudi Arabia and get paid millions of dollars, and it should've been Bret," said Punk.
"And I'm just super grateful that I got a second chance. And I'd give it up in a heartbeat to give it to Bret."
"He's the greatest. And he was right. Bret Hart was right. Bret Hart is always right," Punk said.
William Regal to have on-screen and backstage role in AEW:
AEW president Tony Khan says to expect both on-screen and behind-the-scenes roles for new signee William Regal.
Regal debuted at Sunday's Revolution pay-per-view in a post-match segment with Bryan Danielson and Jon Moxley. In speaking at the post-show press conference, Khan said he expects Regal to contribute to the company in multiple ways.
"I think he can contribute on-screen in a major way to both Bryan Danielson, and also he has a history with Jon Moxley," Khan said. "And also behind the scenes, I'm really excited to have him here. I think Lord Regal can teach all of us, everyone here, a lot."
Khan said that he was surprised that Regal was released by WWE, and was excited to bring him on board.
"When he was released, I was very surprised, but also very eager to bring him here," said Khan.
News of Regal's WWE release broke on January 5, and Khan said that his deal came together very recently.
"It came together very recently and I think it fits very well with everything we're doing here in AEW all-around," Khan said.
"I was very surprised to see that he had been released and was going to be available. I have tons of respect for his mind, and I think he's going to be a very valuable person here in AEW."
ROH will continue, and Tony Khan will be the booker:
AEW president Tony Khan plans to continue Ring of Honor's wrestling operations after acquiring the company, and will serve as the booker.
Khan made the announcement at the post-Revolution press conference.
"What we're going to do going forward? I think it assumes that we're going to do something going forward. And yeah, I do still want to continue the operations going forward, and I am very excited about it and do have a lot of plans for it. I do expect to continue the wrestling operations," Khan said.
"I'm gonna be the booker. And there's a reason for that," said Khan. "Because I will be bringing in young wrestlers, and they have a lot of young wrestlers, and I think we're very successful here and we're doing very well here."
"There should be a Ring of Honor, and I think I've got the resources to present a better version than anybody else can."
Khan also said that while assets are still being transferred to him, he wants to be respectful of the deal he made with Sinclair to acquire ROH and did not want to discuss specific plans as to ROH potentially serving as a developmental brand, a touring company, or what the distribution for ROH content both new and old would look like.
"I do have a lot of plans. I was very excited about reaching an agreement. I still plan to make more announcements. I think I'm still in a very preliminary phase," said Khan.
"It's also a very valuable library that we acquired," Khan said of the ROH video library, but said that he could not detail whether ROH's Honor Club service will continue, or whether ROH footage and AEW footage could end up together on a streaming service.
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Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2022 02:36 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2524th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: To echo what Kriss said, the AEW PPVs are tough only because of the sheer length and volume of fantastic wrestling and storytelling. If Moxley vs. Danielson was the main event and the show ended with Regal coming out, people would've lost their minds and it would've been the best PPV of the year hands down. But there were still 2 more matches to go, and they both delivered too. Hell, the main event of the pre-show was better than almost any main event of a PPV you've seen in years, and then you had 4 hours of awesome wrestling to still watch, by which point you've long since forgotten about it. Punk vs. MJF was the most compelling angle in wrestling in decades, and their bloody gimmick PPV match with the long-awaited turn of Wardlow (which was its own compelling, separate angle) was stuck in the mid-card. AEW runs a 6-man tag match with guys like Matt Hardy and Sting as the cool-down match, and it blows away everyone's expectations and doesn't cool the crowd down at all. It's an embarrassment of riches. WWE PPVs are one long piss break, and in AEW they don't even run video packages long enough for you to run to the bathroom for 5 seconds.
AEW doesn't run many PPVs so I don't know what the solution is. You can run shorter, more frequent shows that highlight different guys, but monetarily that's asking too much in an age where wrestling fans are no longer used to paying for PPVs, even if you make each one a little cheaper. AEW basically runs 4 Wrestlemanias a year, each better than any Wrestlemania since 17, and you have to kind of hunker down and brace yourself for it each time, but it's just incredible from start to finish.
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Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2022 03:04 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2525th Post kargol
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Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2022 03:07 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2526th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/46.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu46')">kargola> wrote: Am guessing Charlie Dempsey is fucked then.
His whole brand is fucked as soon as Vince realizes he still has it.
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Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2022 07:34 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2527th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Just watched it and thoroughly enjoyed it but I'll echo or add to Kriss and Srossi, I thought the show was too long and there was too much in it.
However, in sort of reverse order;
The main event was great and I presumed Page would definitely win but as soon as the match kicked into gear I wasn't sure until the final bell.
Really liked the trios garbage match, a nice break in the show.
Danielson and Mox beat the living shit out of one another in a real good match (though I think the finish was botched, don't think Danielson's left shoulder was. Down) but it may have been deliberate. Great, great reaction for Regal.
Only problem with Punk and MJF was that might expectations were too high. Their first match was one of the best I've seen in years. This was very good but not as good. Wardlow's turn was great and this guy had got it in every way.
I enjoyed Conte and Cargill, even if it was clunky at times.
Baker and Rosa was OK, not great but OK I thought.
I didn't like the ladder match but the right guy won and there were some impressive spots. Again, Wardlow's demeanour, his body language, his attitude is fuckin great.
The tag championship match : I hated the rules around the match as it makes no sense for anyone to tag another team in. After that it was what I expected. Aew fans like this stuff so I'm not gonna let or ruin a show on me.
Jericho had his best match in a year or two, looks reasonably good and turned heel. I hope they do something good with Kingston again straight away and not have him in their rate stuff again.
My first time seeing Shane Strickland and he's got great charisma and a great look.
Overall very good show. Maybe not as good. As the last few PPVs they've done (cos. Of the length) but really good. 👏
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Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2022 07:41 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2528th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: As Said it before, but Wardlow reminds me of a young Diesel. The big, dumb bodyguard gimmick can be played by almost anyone, but both of them did little things that showed charisma and an "it" factor even before they ever stepped into a ring to work. By the time they got their pushes, the crowd was ready for it and they were ready to shine, even if they will never be Shawn Michaels (or MJF) in the ring.
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Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2022 07:56 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2529th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I was thinking the same the last while. He's got the attitude down and the fans love it. He doesn't sell for Danhausen spells. He doesn't do dumb stuff. He reacts like a human would. And he's got a swagger to him. And on top of all that he looks a hell of an athlete and that standing leap was pretty amazing. He'll never be Shawn Michaels but he could be a hell of a worker.
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Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: I’ve seen a lot of people say the show was too long, and it did drag a bit in the middle for me and you could tell it did for the fans in attendance as well. But when these guys are only running 4 PPVs a year, anything shorter than 4 hours wouldn’t allow time to highlight everything they’re trying to do. Sure you could shorten a couple of these matches but not all of them, and there is little time between matches and it’s pretty much nonstop wrestling for 5 straight hours including the preshow, and there are even really good wrestlers on their roster who didn’t even make this show. It’s really that there is so much good stuff if you are an AEW fan that you can’t be up for everything for hours on end, but that’s not a bad problem to have. Watching these back again and not as a 5 hours show I think they will hold up better than as a marathon show. Last edited on Mon Mar 7th, 2022 09:27 pm by cookie32723
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Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2022 09:47 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2531st Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: You could be right. And the crowd did come back up once Regal appeared, and they stayed up.
The length of these shows has been a problem for me for years. WWE did it first with WM X7 (I think) after years of 3 hour PPVs. Aside from WM X7 I've struggledwith any other 4 hour shows.
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Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2022 10:46 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2532nd Post krazykid18 The Prophet
Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: Can anybody explain what was the point of the brass ring ladder match... i thought it was for a world title shot but it was for the TV title ...which is a belt that anybody can just show up and get a shot... why would i need to do all that when i can just show up and be like "hey Pussy ass Sammy give me a match for the title next week on Wednesday"
I mean Jay Lethal didn't even sign the papers and his first match was a title match for the TV title.
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Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2022 10:49 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2533rd Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I can't. And moreso I cannot understand why they had who they had in it doing what they had them do. Specifically, Keith Lee, Wardlow and (less so) Hobbs all taking turns selling like they unconscious for five minutes. But to your question, it's way overbooked. They had qualifying matches to get into this match too. Similatly they had two tag battle royales in 2 consecutive weeks to get title shots. Sometimes keeping it a little simpler would be better. They highlight win loss records each show, why not have rankings? Last edited on Mon Mar 7th, 2022 10:52 pm by Jim_Irish
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Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2022 11:25 pm PM Quote Reply 2534th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Inconsistent methods of deciding title contenders have been around forever. Why bother with an Elimination Chamber when Goldberg can just turn and say "I'm next."
AEW have announced Top 5 rankings in every division every week since the first Dynamite.
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Joined: Wed Mar 4th, 2009 Location: Posts: 4686 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Inconsistent methods of deciding title contenders have been around forever. Why bother with an Elimination Chamber when Goldberg can just turn and say "I'm next."
AEW have announced Top 5 rankings in every division every week since the first Dynamite.
I agree. Why bother with working your way up to be a contender? It is much easier and quicker to just interfere in a champion's match and lay him out. Of course, the champion is going to challenge the guy who just interfered and KO'ed him and put the belt on the line.
If anything, you would think that the guy who was wrestling the champ in the match that was interfered in would be pissed since he will get disqualified and the guy who interfered will get the title shots instead.
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Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2022 11:37 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2536th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Inconsistent methods of deciding title contenders have been around forever. Why bother with an Elimination Chamber when Goldberg can just turn and say "I'm next."
AEW have announced Top 5 rankings in every division every week since the first Dynamite.
I know, and it doesn't bother me that much. I do think it's overly convoluted though in the cases of this particular ladder match and the tag title match.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Rankings have never worked in wrestling, but they don't really work in boxing or the UFC either, and those are "real" sports. You book matches fans want to see.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Meltzer is reporting that the only serious injury coming out of the PPV was to Orange Cassidy's shoulder, and it happened on the spot that you'd expect when Keith Lee just flung him about as far as I've ever seen a human being thrown and he overshot the guys who were supposed to catch him. No word on how serious the injury is, but everyone else was OK aside from cuts and bruises.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: That looked bad you could see one of them (was it Christian? ) immediately moving backward to check on him.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Jeff Hardy's WWE non-compete ends today. The Hardy Boyz already have half a dozen reunion matches booked on the indy circuit starting this weekend, but obviously Jeff is now available to appear in AEW as early as tonight. It's fully expected he will show up sooner rather than later as Matt has been teasing a falling out with Private Party, so the Hardys vs. PP is all but set in stone it would appear.
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Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Jeff Hardy's WWE non-compete ends today. The Hardy Boyz already have half a dozen reunion matches booked on the indy circuit starting this weekend, but obviously Jeff is now available to appear in AEW as early as tonight. It's fully expected he will show up sooner rather than later as Matt has been teasing a falling out with Private Party, so the Hardys vs. PP is all but set in stone it would appear.
I wonder if they’ll debut him as a true surprise or if we’ll get another Tony Khan announcement of something huge. This would be one time Tony calling it huge would be acceptable as Hardy has proven to move the needle in the past.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Jeff Hardy's WWE non-compete ends today. The Hardy Boyz already have half a dozen reunion matches booked on the indy circuit starting this weekend, but obviously Jeff is now available to appear in AEW as early as tonight. It's fully expected he will show up sooner rather than later as Matt has been teasing a falling out with Private Party, so the Hardys vs. PP is all but set in stone it would appear.
I wonder if they’ll debut him as a true surprise or if we’ll get another Tony Khan announcement of something huge. This would be one time Tony calling it huge would be acceptable as Hardy has proven to move the needle in the past.
It's so expected that it would be a bigger surprise if he didn't show up in the next 2 weeks. I think they should just set up the angle tonight and debut him next week, no "announcement" needed. Everyone knows he's coming. And Tony has made too many of these, even though most really are big.
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Posted: Wed Mar 9th, 2022 09:51 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2543rd Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Tony should get someone else to actually announce it next time after that jittery, twitchy bug-eyed performance last week.
I guess he normally doesn't actually appear on TV and he should keep it that way.
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Posted: Wed Mar 9th, 2022 10:16 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2544th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Tony should get someone else to actually announce it next time after that jittery, twitchy bug-eyed performance last week.
I guess he normally doesn't actually appear on TV and he should keep it that way.
He was pretty decent as a heel in Impact, but those were pre-tapes with Schaivone that were sent in like in the territory days. Live in the ring might not be his thing. Schiavone usually introduces the new guys though, Khan was only on TV because he bought ROH, which was an announcement really only he could make.
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Posted: Wed Mar 9th, 2022 10:34 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2545th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Yes I think i only saw him on AEW once before and I could even be mistaken on that.
I forgot he was on Impact and I only heard about that, never saw it.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 03:32 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2547th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: How good is Eddie Kingston that there’s guys who have been on WWE TV for 20 years and are considered legends, and they get eaten alive for years by the “What?” chants, and Eddie just looked at the guys who were doing it and said, “Show some respect. Steve Austin isn’t even here.” And boom, it stopped and he crushed the promo. Just like that.
And then Jericho’s official heel turn. The timing was so different from in WWE where I wasn’t sure if it was going to happen. And it all made sense! 2.0 threw Jericho down but never hit him. He sold the neck from the Kingston match to play dead. When he got the bat he swung and missed to add a few extra beats to the drama and I wasn’t completely sure he’d turn. Then Hagar runs in and fools me even though I knew he should be turning too. So fucking good!
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 04:12 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2548th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Damn have I missed the real William Regal. His interaction with Schiavone is as good as anything you’ll see on TV this year. Tremendous promo. Funny and poignant in the span of 2 minutes. And then he got the angle over fucking perfectly! Why would you ever write a crappy script for this guy when he can talk like this?
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 04:32 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2549th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: There’s not much wrestling to speak of on this show but the promos are tremendous. Cole, the Bucks, and ReDRagon with a really strong backstage segment. AEW does sports entertainment a million times better than WWE too. So many subtleties that tie back to events from months or years ago. It makes me want to know what will happen between the Bucks and Page once Omega returns, even though the segment had nothing to do with that. This is writing.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 04:43 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2550th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Just got up to Jeff Hardy’s debut. The angle with Matt’s turn was a bit abrupt compared to what AEW usually does and I wish they had set it up better since they knew Jeff was available tonight. That said, you can’t argue with the pop. I wonder if Vince regrets never paying for real music for Jeff and going with stock music all these years? AEW was able to use it and the crowd went crazy. If Booker T. Ever jumps, that’s stock music that’s become synonymous with wrestling too.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 04:51 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2551st Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Wardlow gets a chance to cut his first real promo. It was basic but solid. You could tell it was more scripted than the more experienced guys and he stumbled over his lines once or twice, but it was his first time and he should be more produced than others. This guy is going to be a star and he’ll keep getting better.
There is like ZERO wrestling on this show so far, and I’m just enjoying the storytelling. It’s amazing how good a non-wrestling show can be with real character development. This is like an episode of “The Sopranos” where no one gets whacked but the character development is next level. I want to stay tuned and see where it all goes.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 05:22 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2552nd Post One Fan Gang
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The brief segment with FTR where they fired Tully Blanchard was a bit abrupt but the story itself showed some great consistency on Tully's part. He didn't think much of Ole Anderson caring more about his snot-nosed kid in 1987, and 35 years later Dax Harwood's work-life balance is met with similar disdain. Last edited on Thu Mar 10th, 2022 05:23 am by One Fan Gang
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 05:24 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2553rd Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote:
The brief segment with FTR where they fired Tully Blanchard was a bit abrupt but the story itself showed some great consistency on Tully's part. He didn't think much of Ole Anderson caring more about his snot-nosed kid in 1987, and 35 years later Dax Harwood's work-life balance is met with similar disdain.
Great callback. I thought it was abrupt too and would’ve liked to have see more of a tease there, but you actually wrote the angle better than they did. I’m going to go with it. Who knows, maybe Tully references it next week. I wouldn’t be surprised.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 05:30 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2554th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I don’t agree with them having Scorpio Sky beat Sammy Guevara so quickly for the TNT title, but it was a decent little match and got the Paige VanZandt-Tay Conti feud going. I really wish they had pushed Sky as a singles better before this though.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 09:14 am PM Quote Reply 2555th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Decent show with some good promos, but Leyla Hirsch as a heel in the Russian colors is just killing this show for me. If they know enough not to bill her from Moscow any more, why keep up the other stuff. Tone deaf. Maybe not so much of a big deal in the US, but if this was in Europe, this wouldn't go down well. It's not even about the politics, I just don't want real war mixed into my wrestling at all. It doesn't help that Hirsch absolutely shit the bed last night. Hopefully with these two back-to-back losses, she can be taken off TV now. Last edited on Thu Mar 10th, 2022 09:15 am by Kriss
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 02:26 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2556th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Decent show with some good promos, but Leyla Hirsch as a heel in the Russian colors is just killing this show for me. If they know enough not to bill her from Moscow any more, why keep up the other stuff. Tone deaf. Maybe not so much of a big deal in the US, but if this was in Europe, this wouldn't go down well. It's not even about the politics, I just don't want real war mixed into my wrestling at all. It doesn't help that Hirsch absolutely shit the bed last night. Hopefully with these two back-to-back losses, she can be taken off TV now.
You’re the only one mixing wrestling with the war. They’ve never mentioned it. She’s Russian and she probably doesn’t have a lot of gear. And she was a heel before the war and she’s not exactly being Nikolai Volkoff. Who cares? There’s no way 99.9% of people watching the show have ever thought of it.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 02:37 pm PM Quote Reply 2557th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Decent show with some good promos, but Leyla Hirsch as a heel in the Russian colors is just killing this show for me. If they know enough not to bill her from Moscow any more, why keep up the other stuff. Tone deaf. Maybe not so much of a big deal in the US, but if this was in Europe, this wouldn't go down well. It's not even about the politics, I just don't want real war mixed into my wrestling at all. It doesn't help that Hirsch absolutely shit the bed last night. Hopefully with these two back-to-back losses, she can be taken off TV now.
You’re the only one mixing wrestling with the war. They’ve never mentioned it. She’s Russian and she probably doesn’t have a lot of gear. And she was a heel before the war and she’s not exactly being Nikolai Volkoff. Who cares? There’s no way 99.9% of people watching the show have ever thought of it.
I've made it clear it's just my feelings here. I guess I'm closer to it than you guys are. I've heard the ring gear excuse. On Sammy Guevara's blog he gets new ring gear made for him every couple of weeks. I'm not buying that she has no option but to wrestle in Russian flag gear.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 02:51 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2558th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Decent show with some good promos, but Leyla Hirsch as a heel in the Russian colors is just killing this show for me. If they know enough not to bill her from Moscow any more, why keep up the other stuff. Tone deaf. Maybe not so much of a big deal in the US, but if this was in Europe, this wouldn't go down well. It's not even about the politics, I just don't want real war mixed into my wrestling at all. It doesn't help that Hirsch absolutely shit the bed last night. Hopefully with these two back-to-back losses, she can be taken off TV now.
You’re the only one mixing wrestling with the war. They’ve never mentioned it. She’s Russian and she probably doesn’t have a lot of gear. And she was a heel before the war and she’s not exactly being Nikolai Volkoff. Who cares? There’s no way 99.9% of people watching the show have ever thought of it.
I've made it clear it's just my feelings here. I guess I'm closer to it than you guys are. I've heard the ring gear excuse. On Sammy Guevara's blog he gets new ring gear made for him every couple of weeks. I'm not buying that she has no option but to wrestle in Russian flag gear.
Not everyone wants to spend all their money on gear. And Sammy certainly makes a lot more than her, and is on TV a lot more where he would need more gear.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 03:26 pm PM Quote Reply 2559th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Decent show with some good promos, but Leyla Hirsch as a heel in the Russian colors is just killing this show for me. If they know enough not to bill her from Moscow any more, why keep up the other stuff. Tone deaf. Maybe not so much of a big deal in the US, but if this was in Europe, this wouldn't go down well. It's not even about the politics, I just don't want real war mixed into my wrestling at all. It doesn't help that Hirsch absolutely shit the bed last night. Hopefully with these two back-to-back losses, she can be taken off TV now.
You’re the only one mixing wrestling with the war. They’ve never mentioned it. She’s Russian and she probably doesn’t have a lot of gear. And she was a heel before the war and she’s not exactly being Nikolai Volkoff. Who cares? There’s no way 99.9% of people watching the show have ever thought of it.
I've made it clear it's just my feelings here. I guess I'm closer to it than you guys are. I've heard the ring gear excuse. On Sammy Guevara's blog he gets new ring gear made for him every couple of weeks. I'm not buying that she has no option but to wrestle in Russian flag gear.
Not everyone wants to spend all their money on gear. And Sammy certainly makes a lot more than her, and is on TV a lot more where he would need more gear.
I don't think we're gonna see eye to eye on this one. I've told TK to spend this week's Khan money on new gear for Leyla.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 04:04 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2560th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Fozzy’s North American tour kicks off March 31 and runs until May 16. There’s a show booked almost every day during that span, but Wednesdays are always clear, so Jericho will likely be flying to wherever Dynamite is every week and then flying back to the next gig. It’s a rough schedule but based on last night, he’s not about to take time off.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 04:08 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2561st Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: How good is Eddie Kingston that there’s guys who have been on WWE TV for 20 years and are considered legends, and they get eaten alive for years by the “What?” chants, and Eddie just looked at the guys who were doing it and said, “Show some respect. Steve Austin isn’t even here.” And boom, it stopped and he crushed the promo. Just like that.
And then Jericho’s official heel turn. The timing was so different from in WWE where I wasn’t sure if it was going to happen. And it all made sense! 2.0 threw Jericho down but never hit him. He sold the neck from the Kingston match to play dead. When he got the bat he swung and missed to add a few extra beats to the drama and I wasn’t completely sure he’d turn. Then Hagar runs in and fools me even though I knew he should be turning too. So fucking good! I wasn't as crazy about it as you but Kingston is absolutely incredible. Every promo he does is real. Your point on the WWE guys is right and is largely a product of WWE's own creations. 1. They are a scripted to within an inch of their lives 2. Thet haven't a clue how to move beyond that even if they wanted to. WWE seems to train their stars to speak with a very deliberate cadence which means they stop every few words in every sentence, leaving a gap a mile wide for a 'WHAT'. Even if they just changed cadence it would help.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 04:15 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2562nd Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: How good is Eddie Kingston that there’s guys who have been on WWE TV for 20 years and are considered legends, and they get eaten alive for years by the “What?” chants, and Eddie just looked at the guys who were doing it and said, “Show some respect. Steve Austin isn’t even here.” And boom, it stopped and he crushed the promo. Just like that.
And then Jericho’s official heel turn. The timing was so different from in WWE where I wasn’t sure if it was going to happen. And it all made sense! 2.0 threw Jericho down but never hit him. He sold the neck from the Kingston match to play dead. When he got the bat he swung and missed to add a few extra beats to the drama and I wasn’t completely sure he’d turn. Then Hagar runs in and fools me even though I knew he should be turning too. So fucking good! I wasn't as crazy about it as you but Kingston is absolutely incredible. Every promo he does is real. Your point on the WWE guys is right and is largely a product of WWE's own creations. 1. They are a scripted to within an inch of their lives 2. Thet haven't a clue how to move beyond that even if they wanted to. WWE seems to train their stars to speak with a very deliberate cadence which means they stop every few words in every sentence, leaving a gap a mile wide for a 'WHAT'. Even if they just changed cadence it would help.
If it was WWE, the promo would've been, "I, Eddie Kingston (WHAT?) demand that you, Chris Jericho (WHAT?) tonight on March 9, 2022 (WHAT?) on AEW Dynamite (WHAT?) show me (WHAT?) some respect (WHAT?) and shake my hand (WHAT?) after the events (WHAT) of the last premium live event (WHAT?) Revolution (WHAT?)."
"I , Chris Jericho (WHAT?) do not wish (WHAT?) to shake your (WHAT?), the aforementioned Eddie Kingston's hand (WHAT?) tonight on March 9, 2022 (WHAT?) on AEW Dynamite (WHAT?) after the events (WHAT) of the last premium live event (WHAT?) Revolution (WHAT?)."
Everyone talks like a fucking retard.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 04:29 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2563rd Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Yep. Exactly that. It's been that was for nearly every promo for the last 20 years and it sucks to the high heavens.
I often wondered before why people don't just change the beat of the delivery instead of feeding the WHAT shit. And then I realised they don't know how and/or aren't allowed.
Contrast with nearly every prompt Eddie Kingston has ever done, he's as anyone right now, in his own way.
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The Jericho - Kingston part was good.
Regal was tremendous. I don't like these two teaming, mainly because I don't like Moxley but Regal was amazing and nearly brought a tear to my eye when he thanked Schiavone.
Wardlow impressed me a lot, again.
The title match was pretty good and they did the injury angle pretty well. I don't know when the last time I saw Sky wrestle was so the streak thing was sort of odd. I hope. They use this opportunity to get rid of one of the belts.
Page and Martin was fine but I'm sort of sick of both sides of this program. Page is a bit bland, though his matches are good. Cole/Bucks/Red Dragon dynamic has never interested me.
A few positives anyway.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 05:46 pm PM Quote Reply 2565th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I wonder if Vince actually likes te What? chant, just because it's a crowd reaction. It's no different to the way that fans used to join in with the New Age Outlaws and the Godfather when they said exactly the same thing week after week. Last edited on Thu Mar 10th, 2022 05:47 pm by Kriss
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 06:15 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2566th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Yes, I'd imagine so. Anything like that can usually be used to market something. I dunno if there's 'what?' t shirts anymore but there was years ago.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: And I guess you could argue that it means the crowd is into the show. I'd argue the exact opposite but there you go.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 07:04 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2568th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: And I guess you could argue that it means the crowd is into the show. I'd argue the exact opposite but there you go.
It definitely happens when the crowd is NOT into the show. There's no other way to take that.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 07:13 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2569th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I bet Vince and some others in WWE have considered it positive engagement in the past, and I'm not talking about when Austin started it. . Maybe they don't think that anymore but I'd be amazed if they didn't, for long periods.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 07:15 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2570th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I bet Vince and some others in WWE have considered it positive engagement in the past, and I'm not talking about when Austin started it. . Maybe they don't think that anymore but I'd be amazed if they didn't, for long periods.
Other than when they did it with Austin, it's been a clear sign the crowd is bored with a promo for more than 20 years now. And it's thrown a lot of guys, even guys who should be able to handle it like Randy Orton and The Big Show. I know the talent hates it. If Vince sees it any differently, then he's delusional.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 07:46 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2571st Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: You may be right but I do think he has some very peculiar ideas around the audience. I had a longer post written and must have forgotten to hit send. But it ended with being back full circle to where the WWE guys (and probably most of the AEW guys) can't or aren't allowed to do what Eddie did last night and could probably do it in his sleep.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Comicbook.com is reporting that Tony Khan has purchased dozens of songs composed by Zack Tempest, who more or less is one of the more successful stock music creators of the past few decades. This catalogue of course includes “Loaded”, best known as the Hardy Boyz entrance music, but a song that’s also been featured in commercials, ESPN highlight packages, and TV shows. Other tunes in the catalogue include past WWE theme songs such as “Slow Death”, used by Bob and Crash Holly. There are many more songs in the catalogue so other familiar tunes may show up in AEW. It’s an interesting purchase because much of this music has been floating around out there for years. It also precludes WWE from ever using these songs again, if they wanted to in the future. This creates a scenario where if the Hardys return to WWE to be inducted into the HOF, WWE wouldn’t be able to use the music that they made famous. And it was probably bought pretty cheap too.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 08:06 pm PM Quote Reply 2573rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: It's getting to a point where WWE and AEW aren't even the same thing anymore. In NXT it's all scripted promos and doing matches that you've practiced all week. If nothing changes, they'll have to do that on the main roster as well. No wonder a lot of these guys leave wrestling when they get released. They have no idea what they're actually doing. Imagine a guy like Mojo Rawley trying the indies and only being told "20 minutes, we'll call it in the ring."
AEW is Curb Your Enthusiasm. WWE is Friends, except a lot of the time it's Joey.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: It's getting to a point where WWE and AEW aren't even the same thing anymore. In NXT it's all scripted promos and doing matches that you've practiced all week. If nothing changes, they'll have to do that on the main roster as well. No wonder a lot of these guys leave wrestling when they get released. They have no idea what they're actually doing. Imagine a guy like Mojo Rawley trying the indies and only being told "20 minutes, we'll call it in the ring."
AEW is Curb Your Enthusiasm. WWE is Friends, except a lot of the time it's Joey.
The scary thing is that this new batch of 2.0 kids makes Mojo Rawley look like Billy Robinson. They're getting totally lost in matches they rehearsed all week. I don't even know how that's possible. NXT 2.0 actually makes the Raw mid-carders look like the 1970s Mid-Atlantic roster. The absurdity of 2.0 is that I don't even know how they could adjust to working with Randy Orton...Randy Orton!...if they did get called up and pushed. He'd have to walk them through everything, and he's a pretty paint-by-numbers guy who was developed under the OVW system that we used to think was bad. Hell, now that's like Verne Gagne's camp to these kids.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Comicbook.com is reporting that Tony Khan has purchased dozens of songs composed by Zack Tempest, who more or less is one of the more successful stock music creators of the past few decades. This catalogue of course includes “Loaded”, best known as the Hardy Boyz entrance music, but a song that’s also been featured in commercials, ESPN highlight packages, and TV shows. Other tunes in the catalogue include past WWE theme songs such as “Slow Death”, used by Bob and Crash Holly. There are many more songs in the catalogue so other familiar tunes may show up in AEW. It’s an interesting purchase because much of this music has been floating around out there for years. It also precludes WWE from ever using these songs again, if they wanted to in the future. This creates a scenario where if the Hardys return to WWE to be inducted into the HOF, WWE wouldn’t be able to use the music that they made famous. And it was probably bought pretty cheap too. That's pretty clever.
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: William Regal apologised on Twitter for going long on his promo:
"This is a Professional note from me as I have no other form of SM and would rather my new colleagues see this as I don’t like gossip. I’m am very sorry to everyone effected by my time issues last night. I apologized to everyone personally effected. I should be showing people by example and being a Pro and hitting my times."
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In a previous life I had a multi-year association with the Killer Tracks music library which included under its umbrella the pioneer label Network Music, stuff circa the 70s and 80s that was utilized in TV/Radio/Films so often that some tracks became a self-parody. But for nostalgia-based clientele, it was fabulous. Killer Tracks was always ahead of the curve with that particular brand releasing modern styles created by studio musicians and bands alike commissioned to create something that anyone could conceivably use, even stuff with lyrics that could be used or not, depending whose project it was. After previewing so many tracks, it was easy to see who else had licensing for those labels, as I would hear snippets of different music all over pop culture.
In AEW's case, I see a future where multiple tracks/songs become part of any given wrestler's portfolio, and layer their stories on a timeline long term. The difference with WWE is their equivalent of wrestlers being one-hit wonders, to match their one-note character development. It's all about the worker bees mundanely performing to a soundtrack that has amost as long of a career arc.
Just prior to her AEW entrance last year, Ruby Soho was on a podcast with Lars Frederiksen of Rancid as she was contemplating a new ring name, having decided against returning to Heidi Lovelace. Lars asked if she wanted to keep using Ruby, and she said she would like to because she was inspired by the Ruby Soho song. The pure joy on her face when Lars said it would take a 10-minute group text to get the name and the song cleared for her was awesome. The emotional connection of the talent to certain bands and music can't be understated. Last edited on Thu Mar 10th, 2022 08:40 pm by One Fan Gang
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 08:41 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2578th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: William Regal apologised on Twitter for going long on his promo:
"This is a Professional note from me as I have no other form of SM and would rather my new colleagues see this as I don’t like gossip. I’m am very sorry to everyone effected by my time issues last night. I apologized to everyone personally effected. I should be showing people by example and being a Pro and hitting my times."
Weird. How 'too long' did he go? If this wasn't on twitter would anyone have known? It was a great promo.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 08:43 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2579th Post srossi
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"This is a Professional note from me as I have no other form of SM and would rather my new colleagues see this as I don’t like gossip. I’m am very sorry to everyone effected by my time issues last night. I apologized to everyone personally effected. I should be showing people by example and being a Pro and hitting my times."
Weird. How 'too long' did he go? If this wasn't on twitter would anyone have known? It was a great promo.
It was likely long by the 2 minutes he spent talking about Schaivone and his background before he got into the Danielson-Moxley thing. It was the best part of the show and an incredible promo. I'm sure no one minded.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2022 08:59 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2580th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Yeah that's why it's weird putting it on twitter. It was obvious he was doing much of it on the fly and it was very natural. I loved it.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Thank God Leyla Hirch says she stands with Ukraine so that Kriss can sleep tonight. My understanding is that Putin was so distraught that he DM'd Nikita Koloff and they had hot, manly cybersex.
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Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: 18,800 likes for a tweet from a hot midget jobber. If Hirsch is getting that sort of reach, AEW is doing way better than anyone realizes.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: AEW desperately needs a better job guy than QT Marshall. I know he's a trainer but they need someone who bumps better and has even the slightest bit of charisma. They keep trotting him out to make everyone from Hook to Keith Lee look good, and he's just not the right guy for the role. They need like young Jeff Hardy, back when he was jobbing to Razor Ramon.
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Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Rampage Main event for 3/11 was the debuting Swerve Strickland ending Tony Nese's "unbeaten streak in 2022". Both guys have a lot of talent, but we'll have to see how high Strickland will rise. For the little I saw of him in NXT/WWE I didn't really think much of his packaging with Hit Row. But tonight I was impressed at what seemed to be his and Nese doing a few final minutes of improv after some wonky attempts at what seemed would be the original finish. Afterward, neither guy had a look of exasperation or embarrassment for not sticking the landing, nor should they have.
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Posted: Sat Mar 12th, 2022 05:42 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2585th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Rampage Main event for 3/11 was the debuting Swerve Strickland ending Tony Nese's "unbeaten streak in 2022". Both guys have a lot of talent, but we'll have to see how high Strickland will rise. For the little I saw of him in NXT/WWE I didn't really think much of his packaging with Hit Row. But tonight I was impressed at what seemed to be his and Nese doing a few final minutes of improv after some wonky attempts at what seemed would be the original finish. Afterward, neither guy had a look of exasperation or embarrassment for not sticking the landing, nor should they have.
Strickland was MLW's top guy for a while, and his work in Lucha Underground was just phenomenal. He will go far in AEW if they give him some TV time. If you can get yourself over in NXT, you can certainly do it in AEW with any opportunity at all.
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Posted: Sat Mar 12th, 2022 11:52 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2586th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I enjoyed the show, a few good matches. Strickland and Nese had a good match and Strickland has something about him alright. I think I mentioned it already but I never saw him before his debut on the PPV and he seems to have a bit of the 'it' factor. He carries himself well and he can clearly work a good match. Not sure what the ceiling is but am looking forward to seeing more of him.
Darby's match was very good, I thought.
Agree with the comments on QT. I understand he is a trainer, I never heard of him before I started watching AEW and I don't know why he shows up to wrestle every now and again. I've never seen anything from him that was good. Last edited on Sat Mar 12th, 2022 11:54 pm by Jim_Irish
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I was wondering where he was, he hasn't wrestled in months and he was doing pretty well before Sammy beat him.
I always liked him, though it seems he's an acquired taste.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Last night the Hardy Boyz reunited in an actual match for the first time in 3 years, beating the Spanish Announce Team on an indy show in Massachusetts. Their last match together was on a WWE house show in April 2019 where they defended the WWE Tag titles by beating The Usos.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/51.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu51')">cookie32723a> wrote: And Chris Jericho reinvents himself yet again, as he and his new group are now sports entertainers and are here to beat up pro wrestlers in AEW. I wasn’t so sure about his new group but this has potential to be a helluva gimmick in AEW.
It's straight from Paul E.'s ECW booking playbook, such an obvious heel gimmick you wonder why they didn't do it before. Jericho will crush this gimmick.
I just wish Daniel Garcia showed any type of personality whatsoever, but I'll give the group a chance and maybe Jericho pull something out of him. He was off to a good start tonight with the Garcia story about his car accident, which I remember and had no idea that was him involved.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Apparently there's a trademark issue with Hardy Boyz because they were called the Hardy Brothers and just the Hardys but never Hardy Boyz tonight. Anyway, they beat Private Party in their AEW debut as a team and they were very over.
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I'm all for some talent resetting themselves to shake up some of the factions that were ready to be repositioned.
Kris Statlander was shown in a 30-second video, wiping off her Avatar-like alien makeup, seemingly going in a new direction. She did not come out with the other Best Friends this week.
Wheeler Yuta dropped the fall in his tag match with Chuck Taylor, submitting to Jon Moxley who teamed with Bryan Danielson again this week... with William Regal on commentary putting him over as the match progressed. As the Best Friends went up the aisle, Yuta turned back to the ring and offered his hand to Regal, who gave him a slap similar to Mox and Danielson a few weeks ago. Yuta bowed up in response even with both of them in tow. Off mic, Regal seemed to encourage Yuta. Wheeler was a name Danielson mentioned in the promo trying to recruit Mox in talking abut talent that could use their mentoring. To be continued...
Jericho Appreciation Society had a promo where Jericho ended the 2.0 tag team name, as he repeated the line when Jake Hager debuted in 2019, in saying it was a stupid idea from bad creative and it won't ever be used again just like Fritz Von Erich refusing to acknowledge Lance going forward. The 2.0 guys will also be using new names, although I did not commit them to memory. Jericho's story about helping Daniel Garcia and 2.0 out with money after their car accident, and a chance to work in AEW when they healed, was interesting. Just a month or so ago, Jericho was making childish insults toward them, but now all is forgiven as they set forth as a 5-some.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Jericho Appreciation Society had a promo where Jericho ended the 2.0 tag team name, as he repeated the line when Jake Hager debuted in 2019, in saying it was a stupid idea from bad creative and it won't ever be used again just like Fritz Von Erich refusing to acknowledge Lance going forward. The 2.0 guys will also be using new names, although I did not commit them to memory.
They are now "Big Magic" Matt Minard and "Cool Hands" Angelo Parker, although I never really knew their old names, so the name change seems silly. They were also EverRise in WWE and not 2.0, and they used either 3.0 or 2.0 on the indy scene, so I'm not sure how that name is blamed on WWE. Jericho did say that in the Jericho Appreciation Society they all use their real names when Jericho itself is not his real name, so I assume that was a joke, although it may have been lost on most. I will let Jericho and Tony Khan work their magic on this, but I'm a little baffled by JAS so far. Right now it seems like Jericho and 4 jobbers.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Yes, I'm a but confused too but it's better than what he's been doing for the last year or more. And he looks in decent shape again.
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Mick Foley called out Jericho on Twitter for stealing his idea for the early 90s Cactus Jack Appreciation Society, which Foley admits was stolen from The Kinks. Dave Davies simply replied "Thorny subject" and Jericho responded "Stay out of it, Davies!"
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I didn't see it mentioned but did anybody report that Thunder Rosa has a back injury of any sort? During the cage match, it appeared she had tried fire cupping treatments on her lower back.
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I didn't see it mentioned but did anybody report that Thunder Rosa has a back injury of any sort? During the cage match, it appeared she had tried fire cupping treatments on her lower back.
Common treatment a lot of wrestlers and baseball players do these days to be cool like their Japanese counterparts. Not sure if it really helps, but if the sport exists in Japan you can bet Americans are ripping it off by doing that same treatment the last 5 years. Just like the kinesio tape. Doesn't mean anything other than soreness probably.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I had to cringe at Matt Hardy's WWE promo last night on Rampage when he made a match for an 8-man Texas Tornado match on Dynamite and mentioned everyone's full name, date, and city in excruciating detail during the challenge. It's so out of place when you hear it to AEW and made him sound like a mental patient. It must be really tough to break those Vince habits.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20th, 2022 02:16 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2601st Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: I had to cringe at Matt Hardy's WWE promo last night on Rampage when he made a match for an 8-man Texas Tornado match on Dynamite and mentioned everyone's full name, date, and city in excruciating detail during the challenge. It's so out of place when you hear it to AEW and made him sound like a mental patient. It must be really tough to break those Vince habits. Yeah, I was rationalizing that the formula sorta worked for me in that Hardy was choosing which AFO members would be in the match, although you'd think they'd want Andrade as the leader to be there, thinking like a wrestler and not the promoter building the storyline in smaller steps. I liked Andrade's non-answer in that respect because it comes off less formulaic if the announcers get to announce the developments in the back confirming the acceptance of the challenge. Tony Khan gets to be Gov. Lepetomaine that way. Attached Image (viewed 76 times): tonkh.JPG Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Mar 20th, 2022 02:53 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2602nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: I had to cringe at Matt Hardy's WWE promo last night on Rampage when he made a match for an 8-man Texas Tornado match on Dynamite and mentioned everyone's full name, date, and city in excruciating detail during the challenge. It's so out of place when you hear it to AEW and made him sound like a mental patient. It must be really tough to break those Vince habits. Yeah, I was rationalizing that the formula sorta worked for me in that Hardy was choosing which AFO members would be in the match Even if that is a reasonable excuse, it's no reason why he also used the full names of his teammates, all of whom were the only guys in the ring and one of whom was his brother. I wonder if he calls him Jeff Nero Hardy at home too. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Mar 20th, 2022 04:30 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2603rd Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Thunder Rosa's weekly vlog included flight complications leading to long drives across Texas, air travel to Indiana and back. Danhausen tagging along to see the Alamo, and family time leading up to the cage match. TR is so engaged in every project that her actual title run doesn't even need to be extended like Britt Baker's, as long as she gets a story arc trading it. On one of her long drives Rosa discussed her treatments for spinal decompression during the week and she referenced the legends who have difficulty moving around today. Nice to see her family come out in support for San Antonio and to see the connections young female fans have with her in particular. A cameo for an indy tag match showed the former Ember Moon, now wrestling as Athena Palmer. The pre-show even had an appearance from Jazz who offered her perspective, although the sound was such that it was hard to hear. The mariachi ladies doing their rehearsal was also fun, as TR even did a verse with them in the back. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Mar 22nd, 2022 02:57 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2604th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Wrong thread. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 02:50 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2605th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: CM Punk vs. Dax Harwood is what I love most about AEW. What a tremendous match even though you knew who would win, and Harwood wasn’t treated as “just a tag team wrestler” who couldn’t hang. In WWE, Punk would’ve beaten FTR in a handicap match in 3 minutes. This one went 15 minutes and Punk needed a secondary finisher to win. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 02:55 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2606th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Matt Hardy seemed DOA in AEW and now he’s got his brother and that music and the fans just scream like it’s 1999 again. Tremendous pops for the Hardys, Sting, and Darby for the 8-man match, all getting their own entrance. This crowd is loud. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 04:21 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2607th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: AEW needs to learn the first lesson of booking babyfaces, which is that no wrestling fan likes the hot cocky guy who also gets the hot chick. Sammy and Tay have to turn heel soon because they’re insufferable as faces in both TV and Twitter. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 04:50 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2608th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: AEW has to make the tough choice and stop playing “Judas” if they want to heel Jericho. I know they have Matt Minard saying it, but they have to pull the trigger. Jericho was brave enough to end all of his other highly successful gimmicks (people still want him ti bring back “The List”) and he has ti end this too. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 02:57 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2609th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: Another good show, with some solid wrestling throughout and the Hangman/Cole storyline progressing nicely. You could have skipped this one and not really miss anything but even these Dynamites still fly by and are fun to watch. I’m still going to wait and see how it plays out but Jericho’s group has jobber written all over them and the main event had the least star power of any main event on a wrestling tv show I can remember in a long time. You have to build guys and I like the effort, but with so much talent on the roster I think they could have closed the show with something else. ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 04:16 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2610th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Jericho aligning with Garcia and 2.0 comes with zero transition from their interaction a few months ago where Matt Lee (Minard) got needled with Jericho trying to get fans to chant "Square Head" at him. And now all is forgiven and they reveal that Jericho helped get these guys a spot after their car accident? Individually and in their own group, they had their own unique charisma but now they look like sorority pledges doing henchman tasks alongside Biff Tannen who has perfected that spot. In a year we can see if Garcia/Minard/Angelo Parker have any individual growth from this association. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 04:22 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2611th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Jericho aligning with Garcia and 2.0 comes with zero transition from their interaction a few months ago where Matt Lee (Minard) got needled with Jericho trying to get fans to chant "Square Head" at him. And now all is forgiven and they reveal that Jericho helped get these guys a spot after their car accident? Individually and in their own group, they had their own unique charisma but now they look like sorority pledges doing henchman tasks alongside Biff Tannen who has perfected that spot. In a year we can see if Garcia/Minard/Angelo Parker have any individual growth from this association. I think this has been the worst strategic decision made by AEW so far, in many ways. But I'm willing to go along for the ride and give it a chance. Clearly the goal is to give these guys the rub, but I just don't see why they were the ones picked, especially since none have any personality except Minard, and even he has more of an obnoxious '80s vibe going that seems out of place in the more subtle AEW. If they are stars in a year, especially Garcia, I'll admit I was wrong. I didn't like how the Inner Circle broke up either and how Guevara was Jericho's main protege but there is no story between them at all as part of this break-up. Guevara wasn't even around for it, he's too busy fucking his hot girlfriend to care about anything else - they're doing Edge/Lita but they're the babyfaces! Maybe they will circle back to Jericho-Sammy at some point. I struggle to see where all this is going but it really seems like Jericho and 3 jobbers as opposed to a real group like before where everyone brings something to the table. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 06:51 pm PM Quote Reply 2612th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I think Jericho thinks he is so good that he can get anyone over. He may well be right, but this is a tough challenge. Maybe it's all a meta angle about pushing people even though they aren't over, but that would be quite self-defeating. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 07:51 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2613th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Before it gets too deep in history I will offer by contrast to JAS that Blackpool Combat Club sounds much more worthwhile of a faction to market. Fans can support it if they like but they aren't ever going to be members, honorary or otherwise. Instant exclusivity because membership comes with a physical toll... the kind that the Look-at-me fan would and could never put themselves through. A fabulous line in the sand drawn early and clearly. In a sidebar topic, they turned the next page in the recruitment story for Wheeler Yuta. The crew of Best Friends seemed miffed at Yuta's interest in Regal's tutelage, but Orange Cassidy emotes mostly disinterest in everything. So leave it to Trent Baretta to take up for the cause and basically peel the curtain back that they all aren't really so chummy. At present, Baretta would seem to be the one viewed as having an advantage. If they can utilize a few weeks to get Yuta elevated over and above Trent from following Regal's sage advice, I'm interested to follow two guys who otherwise would be background noise to me. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 08:07 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2614th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Wheeler Yuta is another guy who is just there and yet is now in a major angle regarding factions. He shows no personality and hasn’t really gotten any wins outside of Dark. You’d think there are a fixed guys who could be in there spot. Hell, they could take Hook to the next level by putting with these guys, even though they’re probably better off going the slow and steady route with him. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 08:37 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2615th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Wheeler Yuta is another guy who is just there and yet is now in a major angle regarding factions. He shows no personality and hasn’t really gotten any wins outside of Dark. You’d think there are a fixed guys who could be in there spot. Hell, they could take Hook to the next level by putting with these guys, even though they’re probably better off going the slow and steady route with him. Yuta can be a project for the very reasons he isn't outstanding right now. A fighter's finishing school of sorts can be just what the wrestler needs, and exactly what a fan needs to hear if they let Regal pinpoint areas for Yuta to improve in. Such as, where bullshit posturing or ill-placed aerial attacks are bad habits. Re-educating an audience dressed in the blanket of Regal's advisement can be beautiful; for everyone who says "you have to have that other stuff today" there may be more who will love learning logic and the philosophies the boys were once expected to know. As for Hook, he's a Team Taz guy which is a different approach than Regal. For those reasons, I like that Hook can be someone to build toward a showdown with instead of blowing up everyone's affiliations on the roster. Last edited on Thu Mar 24th, 2022 08:41 pm by One Fan Gang Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 08:45 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2616th Post kargol Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I think Jericho thinks he is so good that he can get anyone over. He may well be right, but this is a tough challenge. Maybe it's all a meta angle about pushing people even though they aren't over, but that would be quite self-defeating. It's a heel move to surround yourself with a faction that can never challenge you because they're not good enough, and who can act as cannon fodder to protect you. He can't have a faction with (say) Guevara any more because Guevara won't play second fiddle. ____________________ superfunkymean Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 09:02 pm PM Quote Reply 2617th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: A bit of a blooper on last night's show. A quick Google search tells me that the sun set in Cedar Park, Texas before 7 pm last night. The 8-man tag match started at around 7:15 Central, yet during all the stuff in the concourse you could clearly see the sun shining brightly through the large windows, indicating that all backstage action was pre-taped. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 09:11 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2618th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: A bit of a blooper on last night's show. A quick Google search tells me that the sun set in Cedar Park, Texas before 7 pm last night. The 8-man tag match started at around 7:15 Central, yet during all the stuff in the concourse you could clearly see the sun shining brightly through the large windows, indicating that all backstage action was pre-taped. I didn't look up sunset, but I noticed how bright it was. But that was 8:30 PM my time IIRC, so it was 6:30 PM in Texas. I thought that checked out. I remember making a mental note of it. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 09:14 pm PM Quote Reply 2619th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: A bit of a blooper on last night's show. A quick Google search tells me that the sun set in Cedar Park, Texas before 7 pm last night. The 8-man tag match started at around 7:15 Central, yet during all the stuff in the concourse you could clearly see the sun shining brightly through the large windows, indicating that all backstage action was pre-taped. I didn't look up sunset, but I noticed how bright it was. But that was 8:30 PM my time IIRC, so it was 6:30 PM in Texas. I thought that checked out. I remember making a mental note of it. It's only 1 hour difference between NY and TX. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2022 09:49 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2620th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: A bit of a blooper on last night's show. A quick Google search tells me that the sun set in Cedar Park, Texas before 7 pm last night. The 8-man tag match started at around 7:15 Central, yet during all the stuff in the concourse you could clearly see the sun shining brightly through the large windows, indicating that all backstage action was pre-taped. I didn't look up sunset, but I noticed how bright it was. But that was 8:30 PM my time IIRC, so it was 6:30 PM in Texas. I thought that checked out. I remember making a mental note of it. It's only 1 hour difference between NY and TX. Well there's that... ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Mar 25th, 2022 02:55 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2621st Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Punk and Dax was one of the better matches I've seen on Dynamite. Just finished the show and enjoyed it for the most part. Wheeler looks ok in the ring but he's a charisma vacuum otherwise. It will be interesting to see how this turns out. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Mar 26th, 2022 04:45 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2622nd Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Those nuances in wrestling which today's fans may not have been aware of were drilled home in a subtle way tonight on Rampage where Dustin Rhodes went for a pinfall against Lance Archer and Rhodes' leg was outside the ropes as the count was tolled. Taz brought up the reason it shouldn't have been counted, and Excalibur & Jericho mentioned that the referee's vision was blocked. It sounds like a throwaway because it wasn't a 3-count but it plants a seed. Between its use in storytelling and how the commentators sold it, it accomplished its purpose. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Mar 26th, 2022 11:14 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2623rd Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: This interview with Ariel Helwani dropped a few days ago and amidst the wrestling talk, MJF mentioned one of his influences is the late Don Rickles. So happy to hear his mentioned audibly, because in an era where people say you cannot do Rickles' brand of entertainment anymore, MJF goes right for it. Just good banter here and some mental gymnastics where I could see this becoming like a Cosell/Ali duo over the years with an arc dotted with milestones for both guys. Helwani's almost 40 now with plenty under his belt already, but I hope in time some more discussions develop between these two. Ariel may never get "a win" in his role but at times he would surprise MJF enough to spark a Bring-it-motherfucker reaction, and this has me thinking Ariel could win up being MJF's best career opponent as his career unfolds. <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tptoeJbkyc" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tptoeJbkycA> Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2022 04:17 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2624th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tony Khan has promised another new signing tomorrow night on Dynamite. This one isn’t getting as much hype so expect it to be a lesser name. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2022 04:39 pm PM Quote Reply 2625th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tony Khan has promised another new signing tomorrow night on Dynamite. This one isn’t getting as much hype so expect it to be a lesser name. This was announced on Friday's Dynamite. The first match in the women's Owen Hart Cup tournament is The Bunny vs a surprise opponent. I'm guessing Athena (Ember Moon). ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Mar 30th, 2022 01:18 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2626th Post Ed Lock Joined: Fri Jan 4th, 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 232 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tony Khan has promised another new signing tomorrow night on Dynamite. This one isn’t getting as much hype so expect it to be a lesser name. This was announced on Friday's Dynamite. The first match in the women's Owen Hart Cup tournament is The Bunny vs a surprise opponent. I'm guessing Athena (Ember Moon). Athena would be a good signing but I'm hoping for Toni Storm. Cheers! Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2022 02:12 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2627th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Max Caster kicking off Dynamite: "I'm like Will Smith, I'll slap you if you smilin', but you look like you've hit more Rocks than Hunter Biden." So Tony Khan is actually approving these raps now after the last incident, and this still got through. lol ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2022 03:37 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2628th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/394.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu394')">Ed Locka> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tony Khan has promised another new signing tomorrow night on Dynamite. This one isn’t getting as much hype so expect it to be a lesser name. This was announced on Friday's Dynamite. The first match in the women's Owen Hart Cup tournament is The Bunny vs a surprise opponent. I'm guessing Athena (Ember Moon). Athena would be a good signing but I'm hoping for Toni Storm. Cheers! You got your wish. I'm a fan of Toni's as well. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2022 03:38 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2629th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Lotta piledrivers tonight. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2022 03:53 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2630th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Danielson and Regal did a great job getting Wheeler Yuta over tonight. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2022 04:07 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2631st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Max Caster kicking off Dynamite: "I'm like Will Smith, I'll slap you if you smilin', but you look like you've hit more Rocks than Hunter Biden." So Tony Khan is actually approving these raps now after the last incident, and this still got through. lol John Cena put over Max Caster earlier today while promoting "Evil": “I know of Max Caster very well, and the answer is no,” said Cena when asked if he could beat Caster in a rap battle. “He’s extremely gifted. I remember hearing him for the first time, and asking a good friend of mine to please pass his information on to me. I immediately checked out his raps, out of the blue, and I saw what he was doing was spectacular. I wish him all the best of luck, but I can’t give him any advice because he’s punching far above my weight class. He is very gifted. He’s gifted enough to rhyme to the beat live, where I kind of did my stuff a cappella to let the punchlines sink in.” “Hip-hop constantly evolves, and it constantly moves forward, and he is the better version of what I did. He’s really, really spectacular. As long as he keeps everything in realistic perspective, he shows great potential.” ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2022 02:19 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2632nd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Just watched the first 45 min of last night's show. 3 great matches in a row. Backstage stuff is... Bad. But the matches are great. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2022 09:53 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2633rd Post krazykid18 The Prophet Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: Sad shame Toni Storm went from a PAWG to just a normal plain snow bunny looks like she hit the ski diet Last edited on Thu Mar 31st, 2022 09:53 pm by krazykid18 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Apr 1st, 2022 07:41 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2634th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: They have already planted the seed last week for friction between MJF and FTR, who don't like having to choose a side in Maxwell's feud with Wardlow. I think their challenge to the Young Bucks will move that story along, but with the Will Smith deal out there, talking about Dax's family could be a trigger point to keep his ethics and priorities aligned as he eventually has enough of MJF's flippant attitude and smart mouth. Cash seems to be along for the ride with his partner's values but has been much less emotive thus far. I think the turn will be coming quicker than some of AEW's other programs. Attached Image (viewed 53 times): DANHFTR.JPG Last edited on Sat Apr 2nd, 2022 06:05 am by One Fan Gang Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 2nd, 2022 05:48 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2635th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: I see Samoa Joe is All-Elite now. Guess I will call it now in thinking after FTR abandons MJF and Wardlow dispatches Spears, Joe will get at least a brief spot as Wardlow's last hurdle. A little payback for the spot years earlier where MJF was an extra, who got too far forward and was body-checked by Joe as they walked the halls in the back. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 2nd, 2022 01:03 pm PM Quote Reply 2636th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: So they did the smash up the car gimmick on Rampage last night. Yawn. Why would I ever car about Dan Lambert's car that I've never seen before? If you're gonna destroy something, I think you need to get over how much said thing means to the victim first. And even saying that, I never need to see another car being being smashed up in wrestling. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Apr 5th, 2022 10:07 am PM Quote Reply 2637th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Now that all that WrestleMania nonsense is over, time to start earning my TK money again. Last night's Elevation had a fantastic match between Chuck Taylor-Trent Baretta and the Workhorsemen. Definitely worth 8 minutes of your time to check out. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Apr 5th, 2022 10:23 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2638th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I have watched so much wrestling in the past 2 days I'm burned out but I'll put this on the list for the future. I assume old Elevation episodes are available on your I've for a long time/forever? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Apr 5th, 2022 10:33 am PM Quote Reply 2639th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I have watched so much wrestling in the past 2 days I'm burned out but I'll put this on the list for the future. I assume old Elevation episodes are available on your I've for a long time/forever? Yeah. They've never removed an episode yet. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Apr 5th, 2022 11:44 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2640th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Thanks Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Apr 5th, 2022 02:37 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2641st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Now that all that WrestleMania nonsense is over, time to start earning my TK money again. Last night's Elevation had a fantastic match between Chuck Taylor-Trent Baretta and the Workhorsemen. Definitely worth 8 minutes of your time to check out. J.D. Drake has everything but a look. In the '70s he'd be a star. His EVOLVE matches were the best in the company, then WWE bought EVOLVE and signed almost everyone but him (which didn't matter much because they released almost all of them within a year anyway). Then even AEW brought him in as a jobber and he hasn't been able to get any traction. But he's fantastic. With Austin Theory in such a high profile match this past weekend, it's worth noting that J.D. Drake carried him to the best matches of his career so far, as they basically did the Flair-Dusty feud over again with Theory being the slick, rich ladies' man and Drake being the fat, blue collar slob. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 7th, 2022 01:26 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2642nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Leyla Hirsch was injured tonight taping a Dark match. The match had to be stopped and it appears serious. It’s a knee or leg issue. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 7th, 2022 03:53 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2643rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Max Caster's rap on Samoa Joe: "Tony, why'd we give this guy a chance? When we beat them in the ratings, he was their champ" Joe promptly squashed him. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 7th, 2022 04:21 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2644th Post Franchise Low key big hog Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Ohio , USA Posts: 6045 Status: Offline Mana: FTR v Bucks was fantastic; so glad to see the Bucks lose. ____________________ Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 7th, 2022 04:48 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2645th Post carpetbeggar The Ayatollah Of Rock And Rolla Joined: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 Location: Dangling From A Rope Of...CONFETTI!!! Posts: 12249 Status: Offline Mana: I DVR Dynamite, but this is the first one I've watched in God knows how long. So I'm at the part where Wardlow arrives and costs Spears a victory. I'm not fully caught up on the storylines.So is Wardlow on suspension or banned from the arena? Why all the resistance from the security? Everyone else can do run ins with no resistance, why not Wardlow? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 7th, 2022 04:49 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2646th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/65.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu65')">carpetbeggara> wrote: I DVR Dynamite, but this is the first one I've watched in God knows how long. So I'm at the part where Wardlow arrives and costs Spears a victory. I'm not fully caught up on the storylines.So is Wardlow on suspension or banned from the arena? Why all the resistance from the security? Everyone else can do run ins with no resistance, why not Wardlow? The story is that MJF personally paid Wardlow and not AEW. Now that Wardlow has turned on MJF, he's paying security to try to keep him away. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 7th, 2022 04:52 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2647th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Nice touch to get Bobby Cruise to do the ring announcing for the main event with the ROH Tag titles on the line. I've always liked him. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 7th, 2022 10:02 am PM Quote Reply 2648th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: That Hardys match was rough. They really need to rethink how to use these guys. They can't be doing meaningless table matches at this point in their careers. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 7th, 2022 02:19 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2649th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: That Hardys match was rough. They really need to rethink how to use these guys. They can't be doing meaningless table matches at this point in their careers. I don't know how long Jeff signed for, but they need to plan a meaningful last run for them, and make sure it's the last. It should definitely involve few actual matches until they can have a big final blow-off in a car crash TLC match or something, and then one or both need to retire. Matt can probably hang around to do other things, but Jeff will need to go home after retirement. That will be a problem for him as things don't go well when he has too much time on his hands, but they don't go that well otherwise either. But they are quickly burning out what they can do with the Hardys this go-around and it's only been a few weeks. I hope they have one of their long-term booking plans in place, but so far it doesn't seem like it. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 7th, 2022 03:07 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2650th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Random MJF tweet from last night which is just fantastic: “This Boston crowd smells like old coffee beans and Racism“ ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 9th, 2022 04:09 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2651st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: They booked Wheeler Yuta perfectly last night against Moxley and got him over in about 4 weeks. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 9th, 2022 04:29 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2652nd Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: They booked Wheeler Yuta perfectly last night against Moxley and got him over in about 4 weeks. Without accurately hearing the particulars of what was said in the ring post-match, the facials on Moxley were better than any of his physical offense could have helped tell this story. He was supposed to be the toughest nut to crack, and his visual amazement as time went on did a lot to showcase another side to his own rough-edged countenance. And right now, we didn't need to hear every comment from the Combat Club on the mic, aside from what the cameraman's unit could pick up. Some people might criticize it as bad production values, when it's actually a creative choice that is so refreshing. The announcers can then speculate and react in a way that speaks to the questions the viewing audience might have. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 9th, 2022 04:29 pm PM Quote Reply 2653rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: They booked Wheeler Yuta perfectly last night against Moxley and got him over in about 4 weeks. They got him a level where he can be a credible opponent for a main eventer, and a decent mid-card champion. Now he really needs to go to promo school to break through to the next level. He has the perfect people around him to learn from. Especially Bryanson, who was not a good promo when he broke through as an ROH main eventer, but got himself to the point that when he signed for WWE, he was good, and now he's one of the best. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Apr 10th, 2022 03:05 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2654th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Hook will wrestle his first indy date ever on May 14 at Create-A-Pro on Long Island, the company run by former WWE agent Pat Buck. No opponent announced yet. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 12:11 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2655th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Aubrey Edwards and Alex Abrahantes (sub for Tony Schiavone) sit down for the latest AEW Unleashed podcast with William Regal. Unlike the short attention span promos on network TV, Regal gets to speak at length on numerous topics from his lizard collection, British stars of his youth, Blackpool Combat Club and more. <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xB8EKsnZWg" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xB8EKsnZWgA> Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 04:49 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2656th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Samoa Joe beat Minoru Suzuki for the ROH Tv title in the main event of Dynamite tonight, after which AEW's version of Great Khalil made his debut. WIth the roster AEW has, I have no idea why they're debuting 7' Indian basketball players who are going to get shit on by the crowd. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 09:22 am PM Quote Reply 2657th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Samoa Joe beat Minoru Suzuki for the ROH Tv title in the main event of Dynamite tonight, after which AEW's version of Great Khalil made his debut. WIth the roster AEW has, I have no idea why they're debuting 7' Indian basketball players who are going to get shit on by the crowd. At a guess, they are going after an Indian TV deal? Really seems out of place in AEW, more so in ROH. That whole segment sucked. What was with Lethal and Dutt leaving a foot of air when they were putting the boots to Samoa Joe. This would have sucked in AEW 2.0. Last edited on Thu Apr 14th, 2022 09:29 am by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 09:24 am PM Quote Reply 2658th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: AEW has to make the tough choice and stop playing “Judas” if they want to heel Jericho. I know they have Matt Minard saying it, but they have to pull the trigger. Jericho was brave enough to end all of his other highly successful gimmicks (people still want him ti bring back “The List”) and he has ti end this too. They at least addressed this on commentary this week, saying that Tony Khan has to pay royalties to Jericho every time the song is played. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 10:34 am PM Quote Reply 2659th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Samoa Joe beat Minoru Suzuki for the ROH Tv title in the main event of Dynamite tonight, after which AEW's version of Great Khalil made his debut. WIth the roster AEW has, I have no idea why they're debuting 7' Indian basketball players who are going to get shit on by the crowd. At a guess, they are going after an Indian TV deal? From the Observer site: "The ending of Dynamite, which featured the debut of Satnam Singh, was designed to build the AEW brand in India, and has a lot to do with the WarnerMedia/Discovery merger. AEW has been on television on the Discovery-owned channel Eurosport India, a deal Tony Khan made based on the impending merger. As part of the first week after the Discovery merger, Tony Khan wanted to shoot an angle that would be a breakthrough in that market using someone of some renown in that country as the only Indian-born player ever drafted by the NBA, when Singh was a second round draft choice of the Dallas Mavericks in 2015, even though he never played college basketball or pro basketball overseas. Singh never made the NBA, but played several years in the NBA summer league, G League, and National Basketball League of Canada. He was signed by AEW in September in an attempt to create a star for the India market. Singh will be managed by Sonjay Dutt, who gained notoriety in India years back when he wrestled for TNA when TNA had a following in India, and both will be used to promote AEW on Eurosport India in that market. Singh, Dutt and Jay Lethal will be a group on AEW television and pushed as a lead act in promotion of the brand in India." Dave Meltzer audio: <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQiJfKJ8B0" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQiJfKJ8B0A> Last edited on Thu Apr 14th, 2022 12:13 pm by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 02:20 pm PM Quote Reply 2660th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Since Rampage is live on Friday, they did a closing segment for the live audience with the Blackpool Combat Club and others and posted it on the Youtubes: <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrGwgdaAn7w&t=28s" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrGwgdaAn7w&t=28sA> ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 03:45 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2661st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Samoa Joe beat Minoru Suzuki for the ROH Tv title in the main event of Dynamite tonight, after which AEW's version of Great Khalil made his debut. WIth the roster AEW has, I have no idea why they're debuting 7' Indian basketball players who are going to get shit on by the crowd. At a guess, they are going after an Indian TV deal? From the Observer site: "The ending of Dynamite, which featured the debut of Satnam Singh, was designed to build the AEW brand in India, and has a lot to do with the WarnerMedia/Discovery merger. AEW has been on television on the Discovery-owned channel Eurosport India, a deal Tony Khan made based on the impending merger. As part of the first week after the Discovery merger, Tony Khan wanted to shoot an angle that would be a breakthrough in that market using someone of some renown in that country as the only Indian-born player ever drafted by the NBA, when Singh was a second round draft choice of the Dallas Mavericks in 2015, even though he never played college basketball or pro basketball overseas. Singh never made the NBA, but played several years in the NBA summer league, G League, and National Basketball League of Canada. He was signed by AEW in September in an attempt to create a star for the India market. Singh will be managed by Sonjay Dutt, who gained notoriety in India years back when he wrestled for TNA when TNA had a following in India, and both will be used to promote AEW on Eurosport India in that market. Singh, Dutt and Jay Lethal will be a group on AEW television and pushed as a lead act in promotion of the brand in India." Dave Meltzer audio: <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQiJfKJ8B0" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQiJfKJ8B0A> OK but does every semi-big guy in India have to look retarded and have no talent whatsoever? ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 03:46 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2662nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: PWInsider: Just weeks after giving notice to WWE the day after producing several Wrestlemania 38 weekend main event matches, Pat Buckridge (professionally known as Pat Buck), was backstage working at tonight's AEW Dynamite taping in New Orleans, PWInsider.com has confirmed. Buckridge has started with the company as a Producer and one source stated he was actually at last week's Dynamite taping as well. Buckridge, who produced Roman Reigns vs. Brock Lesnar (with Michael Hayes) and Ronda Rousey vs. Charlotte Flair matches at Wrestlemania, informed the company on Monday 4/4 he was departing. The word making the rounds within WWE in the wake of his resignation was that Buck stated that with the matches he worked on for Wrestlemania 38, he had achieved his goals of producing main events on the biggest show of the year and now needed to refocus his energies on his family, something the current WWE schedule could not consistently afford him the ability to do. Obviously, the current AEW schedule would be more amenable in comparison. Beyond his duties as a Producer for WWE, Buckridge, 38, had also been working in WWE's Talent Relations and had been the liason between the company and independent talents that were booked as extras at PPVs and TV tapings. Buckridge had also been scouting new potential signings. Buckridge operates the Create-A-Pro Wrestling Academies in New Jersey and Long Island with Brian Myers, is also the owner of WrestlePro in New Jersey. Among the AEW talents who have come out of the CAP Academy include MJF, Hook, Kris Statlander and Bear Country. Buckridge signed with WWE as a producer back in 2019 after a long career of wrestling independently, including a long run with Ohio Valley Wrestling when it was a WWE developmental territory. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 04:01 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2663rd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Another Great Khali, with one of the finest head squeezing manoeuvres you'll ever see. There were some good moments but overall I really didn't like last night's show I'm not sure if they expect everyone to know who Marina is but, whether or not they did, the crowd was fucking dead for it and it was a terrible match. What's Tony's Big Announcement next week? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 04:04 pm PM Quote Reply 2664th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Another Great Khali, with one of the finest head squeezing manoeuvres you'll ever see. There were some good moments but overall I really didn't like last night's show I'm not sure if they expect everyone to know who Marina is but, whether or not they did, the crowd was fucking dead for it and it was a terrible match. What's Tony's Big Announcement next week? I wonder if Shafir was used a go-between to get to Roderick Strong and the reDRagon guys. The big announcement might be the long-awaited streaming service. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 04:25 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2665th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tony Khan announced many times this big over-run for last night's show, telling everyone repeatedly to extend their DVRs by 30 minutes so they don't miss anything. The show maybe went over by 90 seconds and the main event was already over by then and the only thing missed would've been the end of the Indian guy's head squeeze. Shows frequently cut off on my DVR the last few seconds anyway. Khan needs to calm down with this shit. I was expecting Joe vs. Suzuki to be this 45 minute classic based on his over-run hype. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 04:49 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2666th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tony Khan announced many times this big over-run for last night's show, telling everyone repeatedly to extend their DVRs by 30 minutes so they don't miss anything. The show maybe went over by 90 seconds and the main event was already over by then and the only thing missed would've been the end of the Indian guy's head squeeze. Shows frequently cut off on my DVR the last few seconds anyway. Khan needs to calm down with this shit. I was expecting Joe vs. Suzuki to be this 45 minute classic based on his over-run hype. It wasn't much good of a match, was it? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 05:40 pm PM Quote Reply 2667th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tony Khan announced many times this big over-run for last night's show, telling everyone repeatedly to extend their DVRs by 30 minutes so they don't miss anything. The show maybe went over by 90 seconds and the main event was already over by then and the only thing missed would've been the end of the Indian guy's head squeeze. Shows frequently cut off on my DVR the last few seconds anyway. Khan needs to calm down with this shit. I was expecting Joe vs. Suzuki to be this 45 minute classic based on his over-run hype. It wasn't much good of a match, was it? I thought the first two and final two matches were great, with the main event being excellent. The final segment was a huge downer, though. I understand why they did it though. Discovery buying WarnerMedia isn't good news for AEW getting maximum value out of their next TV deal, so Khan needs to keep Discover sweet. It's a shame, though, because every time a US promotion has tried to appeal to the Indian market, it's been a disaster. Tiger Ali Singh, Great Khali, world champion Jinder Mahal, the Bollywood Boys etc. and all the mediocre Indians who have come and gone through Impact. Not one of them has ever been the tiniest bit over. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 05:54 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2668th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Yeah and this guy even looks and appears to move like Great Khali, although he might be slightly nimbler than Khali. I didn't like the main event but I did (surprisingly) like the second to last match, the tag match with Lee, Swerve and Team Tazz. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 06:00 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2669th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tony Khan announced many times this big over-run for last night's show, telling everyone repeatedly to extend their DVRs by 30 minutes so they don't miss anything. The show maybe went over by 90 seconds and the main event was already over by then and the only thing missed would've been the end of the Indian guy's head squeeze. Shows frequently cut off on my DVR the last few seconds anyway. Khan needs to calm down with this shit. I was expecting Joe vs. Suzuki to be this 45 minute classic based on his over-run hype. It wasn't much good of a match, was it? I thought it was good, I was just expecting epic based on the over-run promise. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 06:40 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2670th Post cheapseats Joined: Thu Jul 8th, 2010 Location: Eastern Panhandle , West Virginia USA Posts: 1249 Status: Offline Mana: The show last night was not a smooth one. My biggest grumble was FTR getting in to a shoving match with ReDRagon and they made the decision to cut to a video package. Seriously? FTR are as hot as an incoming meteor right now. My wife was yelling at the stupidity of that decision like you wouldn't believe. The schmozzfest after the Joe/Suzuki match was just...blah. ____________________ Never said that I could 100 % substantiate it. And convincing you 100 % is not a concern of mine. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 07:08 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2671st Post Franchise Low key big hog Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Ohio , USA Posts: 6045 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Another Great Khali, with one of the finest head squeezing manoeuvres you'll ever see. There were some good moments but overall I really didn't like last night's show I'm not sure if they expect everyone to know who Marina is but, whether or not they did, the crowd was fucking dead for it and it was a terrible match. What's Tony's Big Announcement next week? I wonder if Shafir was used a go-between to get to Roderick Strong and the reDRagon guys. The big announcement might be the long-awaited streaming service. Hopefully they just rebrand the ROH streaming service and pile everything in one place ____________________ Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 07:12 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2672nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/22.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu22')">Franchisea> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Another Great Khali, with one of the finest head squeezing manoeuvres you'll ever see. There were some good moments but overall I really didn't like last night's show I'm not sure if they expect everyone to know who Marina is but, whether or not they did, the crowd was fucking dead for it and it was a terrible match. What's Tony's Big Announcement next week? I wonder if Shafir was used a go-between to get to Roderick Strong and the reDRagon guys. The big announcement might be the long-awaited streaming service. Hopefully they just rebrand the ROH streaming service and pile everything in one place Honor Club is not nearly at the scope that they need for AEW. They will look second rate to WWE if they do that. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2022 07:19 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2673rd Post Franchise Low key big hog Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Ohio , USA Posts: 6045 Status: Offline Mana: The Ring of Honor streaming service hasnt ever let me down. The B/R app has been a disappointment more often than not for me. If they combine it all and it works i’ll gladly pay regardless of what it looks like. ____________________ Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Apr 15th, 2022 06:15 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2674th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: FTR are apparently headed to MLW to face the von Erich kids. MLW has not officially worked with AEW before but have worked with Impact and especially AAA a lot, and FTR are the AAA Tag champs. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Apr 15th, 2022 11:47 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2675th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: On today’s Busted Open Radio, Tony Khan addressed the criticism from fans about the way Satnam Singh debuted on AEW Dynamite. The consensus seems to be that turning the lights off raised expectations and his debut fell somewhat flat because he was not a recognizable name. “I could have done it better,” Khan said. “It’s one of those things. I wish I had done it a little differently. The fans are always gonna be right so if the fans don’t like something sometimes there’s some things about it where you are trying to get heat and people aren’t always gonna love it. There were things about it I probably should have done differently now that I see in hindsight.” Khan said that it wasn’t his idea to turn out the lights but he accepts the blame because he is the main filter. He said, “To be honest, it wasn’t my idea to turn the lights out but I am the ultimate filter. I’m the person who everything goes through. I put the outline of the show together and when I came in Wednesday, I thought it was the best outline I’ve ever put together. One of them at least. As much strong wrestling as you could possibly fit into the program. I thought up until that point, the show was excellent and that was the one thing we kind of went off on. People might not have liked it. Satnam is an important person for us. It was important to debut him in a meaningful way with Jay Lethal. He’s gonna be a force to be reckoned with. At the same time, turning the lights off for somebody people didn’t recognize, it’s a great point. The person who brought up turning the lights off has over 30 years of experience in pro wrestling. When they brought it up to me, I was only looking at the pros and I should have thought about the cons because that is my job as the person who decides what goes in and filters out these ideas. We had all these people in the room and somehow not one person when that idea came up, brought up the negatives. Then when we did it, all of a sudden all of the negatives were very obvious.” Khan added, “It was a lot of veteran people. To be honest, nobody said that but then when it happened, I agreed with the fans completely.” Khan added that Singh’s debut got a lot of international attention but he didn’t want the negativity to loom over the show and he agrees with the fans. Khan said, “I didn’t want it to loom over a lot of great stuff on the show. I don’t think it has or it will because there was a lot of great wrestling on that show so I’m really excited about that but the fans are always gonna be right. I think it’s one of those times where I appreciated what their feedback was. Now as I am in my third year of doing this, I would not do that that way again and these are the things you learn going into year three that I would do different in year four or five.” ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 16th, 2022 03:28 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2676th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: They announced on Rampage tonight that tomorrow on Battle of the Belts II, Jonathan Gresham will defend the ROH World title against Dalton Castle. This will be the AEW debuts of both men. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 16th, 2022 08:20 am PM Quote Reply 2677th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: They announced on Rampage tonight that tomorrow on Battle of the Belts II, Jonathan Gresham will defend the ROH World title against Dalton Castle. This will be the AEW debuts of both men. This was announced on Wednesday on Dynamite. I hope they go all in on producing Castle's entrance. It looked very indie-tastic in ROH, including at Supercard of Honor. Sonny Kiss has done some good work choreographing elaborate entrances in the past, so we'll see. It was taped after Rampage, so I guess I could check the spoilers. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2022 04:38 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2678th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: They announced on Rampage tonight that tomorrow on Battle of the Belts II, Jonathan Gresham will defend the ROH World title against Dalton Castle. This will be the AEW debuts of both men. This was announced on Wednesday on Dynamite. I hope they go all in on producing Castle's entrance. It looked very indie-tastic in ROH, including at Supercard of Honor. Sonny Kiss has done some good work choreographing elaborate entrances in the past, so we'll see. It was taped after Rampage, so I guess I could check the spoilers. Castle got his full ROH entrance and was reunited with the original Boys (the Tate Twins), who have done some Dark matches and had left ROH several years ago. So that was a nice touch, and it was a good match. Then Great Khali came out and destroyed everyone and you realized The Boys were there to take a sick double chokeslam on the concrete. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2022 10:32 pm PM Quote Reply 2679th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Jack Evans has announced he will be leaving AzeW when his contract expires next month. I guess being one half of the 23rd best tag team on the roster just isn't enough. I always think AEW make indie guys look good in terms of presentation, even if it's just on Dark, but I always thought TH2 looked like shit. Horrible cheap-looking shiny ring gear straight out of a 2002 indie DVD and that weird dancing. Never even slightly over. I'm guessing Angelico won't be resigned either. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2022 10:48 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2680th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: Yeah they sucked, they won’t be missed as nobody likely even had a clue they were even still around. ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Apr 20th, 2022 12:59 am Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2681st Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: Welp…AEW is announcing a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT this Wednesday by Tony Con. Should be interesting to see the reaction when it’s not as major as he thinks it is. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Apr 20th, 2022 06:24 am PM Quote Reply 2682nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: Welp…AEW is announcing a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT this Wednesday by Tony Con. Should be interesting to see the reaction when it’s not as major as he thinks it is. I said earlier in this thread that I was guessing a streaming service. But the prevailing rumour is that there is going to be a joint AEW-New Japan show in the summer in Chicago. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Apr 20th, 2022 08:50 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2683rd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: Welp…AEW is announcing a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT this Wednesday by Tony Con. Should be interesting to see the reaction when it’s not as major as he thinks it is. I said earlier in this thread that I was guessing a streaming service. But the prevailing rumour is that there is going to be a joint AEW-New Japan show in the summer in Chicago. I just hope Tony announces it himself again. There's something almost hypnotic about his frenetic mannerisms on camera. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Apr 20th, 2022 09:52 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2684th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: They announced on Rampage tonight that tomorrow on Battle of the Belts II, Jonathan Gresham will defend the ROH World title against Dalton Castle. This will be the AEW debuts of both men. This was announced on Wednesday on Dynamite. I hope they go all in on producing Castle's entrance. It looked very indie-tastic in ROH, including at Supercard of Honor. Sonny Kiss has done some good work choreographing elaborate entrances in the past, so we'll see. It was taped after Rampage, so I guess I could check the spoilers. Castle got his full ROH entrance and was reunited with the original Boys (the Tate Twins), who have done some Dark matches and had left ROH several years ago. So that was a nice touch, and it was a good match. Then Great Khali came out and destroyed everyone and you realized The Boys were there to take a sick double chokeslam on the concrete. And after debuting his head squeeze in his first week he somehow topped it with an even worse move in his second week- slowly shaking his opponent up and down. The match was good. Pity about all the shit afterwards. And one other minor complaint I have with AEW- everytime they do an after match run in, or an interview run in/interruption, etc. it's ALWAYS too quick. They should let things percolate a little longer before the run in. I'm talking only a few extra seconds. But it's nearly always straight away. I read Gresham got injured in the match, not sure the extent but he's missing upcoming shows. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 02:36 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2685th Post Franchise Low key big hog Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Ohio , USA Posts: 6045 Status: Offline Mana: Punk looked horrible against Dustin; was this an off night for him or has he been like this the entire time? His kicks look like they couldn't break an egg and it looked like he was going to pass out from lack of oxygen by the end of it. Why all the hugging? Was this Dustin’s retirement match or does everyone have to shine Punk’s boots? ____________________ Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 03:55 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2686th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: Welp…AEW is announcing a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT this Wednesday by Tony Con. Should be interesting to see the reaction when it’s not as major as he thinks it is. I said earlier in this thread that I was guessing a streaming service. But the prevailing rumour is that there is going to be a joint AEW-New Japan show in the summer in Chicago. June 26, AEW and NJPW present Forbidden Door on PPV from the United Center. Tony Khan started to announce it in his autistic way but this time they wisely cut him off and had Adam Cole make the actual announcement, followed by a surprise appearance by Jay White. It was a good segment. They also announced that on Rampage this week, Cole would face NJPW’s Tomohiro Ishii in an Owen Hart Cup qualifying match. Ishii is fantastic but is also brought in to job to American talent across multiple promotions. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 02:30 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2687th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/22.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu22')">Franchisea> wrote: Punk looked horrible against Dustin; was this an off night for him or has he been like this the entire time? His kicks look like they couldn't break an egg and it looked like he was going to pass out from lack of oxygen by the end of it. Why all the hugging? Was this Dustin’s retirement match or does everyone have to shine Punk’s boots? I liked the match ok but I thought both guys looked a bit off. Dustin has been pretty great for a long time but he looked sluggish here I thought. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 02:35 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2688th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: Welp…AEW is announcing a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT this Wednesday by Tony Con. Should be interesting to see the reaction when it’s not as major as he thinks it is. I said earlier in this thread that I was guessing a streaming service. But the prevailing rumour is that there is going to be a joint AEW-New Japan show in the summer in Chicago. June 26, AEW and NJPW present Forbidden Door on PPV from the United Center. Tony Khan started to announce it in his autistic way but this time they wisely cut him off and had Adam Cole make the actual announcement, followed by a surprise appearance by Jay White. It was a good segment. They also announced that on Rampage this week, Cole would face NJPW’s Tomohiro Ishii in an Owen Hart Cup qualifying match. Ishii is fantastic but is also brought in to job to American talent across multiple promotions. I wouldn't agree it was a good segment. It thought it didn't make any sense. Tony can't talk and shouldn't be on screen so if they are going to do these announcements they need another figurehead type to do it, preferably someone not involved with any other angels, matches, stories etc. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 03:23 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2689th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: Welp…AEW is announcing a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT this Wednesday by Tony Con. Should be interesting to see the reaction when it’s not as major as he thinks it is. I said earlier in this thread that I was guessing a streaming service. But the prevailing rumour is that there is going to be a joint AEW-New Japan show in the summer in Chicago. June 26, AEW and NJPW present Forbidden Door on PPV from the United Center. Tony Khan started to announce it in his autistic way but this time they wisely cut him off and had Adam Cole make the actual announcement, followed by a surprise appearance by Jay White. It was a good segment. They also announced that on Rampage this week, Cole would face NJPW’s Tomohiro Ishii in an Owen Hart Cup qualifying match. Ishii is fantastic but is also brought in to job to American talent across multiple promotions. I wouldn't agree it was a good segment. It thought it didn't make any sense. Tony can't talk and shouldn't be on screen so if they are going to do these announcements they need another figurehead type to do it, preferably someone not involved with any other angels, matches, stories etc. How didn't it make sense? And Tony barely said anything last night before he got cut off. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 05:16 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2690th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: I don't think it's fair to say that Tony Khan "can't talk". Whenever I see him at the press conferences, he's awesome. I think the problem is stage fright, he seems to be extremely nervous talking on camera - and that will pass. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 05:42 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2691st Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I mean it made no sense that the camera cut to Adam Cole, backstage, to allow him to interrupt the owner of the company on the big screen in the arena. If he had come out on stage that would make more sense. But cutting to the back doesn't. And, no, it doesn't for a lot of other stuff too, I know. I know Tony barely said anything last night- my point is, on an ongoing basis, if they are going to promote these huge announcements at least have someone who is able to do it. The last time he said something it was a shit show, he was twitching and shifting and darting his eyes around. In the one or two lines he had last night he sounded awkward as hell. I'm assuming they can't promote this type of thing and always have someone interrupt or do the announcement for him. Other points: Did all the wrestlers know about the big announcement, or just Cole? The announcers certainly played it off like they were interested to find out what the announcement was. Cole announced that the finals of the Owen Hart tournaments would be at Double or Nothing. Did anyone say that before or is this the first time we know about this too? To Superstar; yes stage fright looks to be at least some of it and maybe some training might help. Last edited on Thu Apr 21st, 2022 05:45 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 05:51 pm PM Quote Reply 2692nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Did all the wrestlers know about the big announcement, or just Cole? The announcers certainly played it off like they were interested to find out what the announcement was. Jay White knew, and he told Cole. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 05:54 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2693rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I know Tony barely said anything last night- my point is, on an ongoing basis, if they are going to promote these huge announcements at least have someone who is able to do it. That's exactly what they did. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 05:57 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2694th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: I don't think it's fair to say that Tony Khan "can't talk". Whenever I see him at the press conferences, he's awesome. I think the problem is stage fright, he seems to be extremely nervous talking on camera - and that will pass. I think he's trying to be a character, and it's not a good one. He and Schiavone were awesome as heels in Impact. But they sent in pre-tapes, so maybe those took multiple takes to get right and he was less nervous without doing it in front of a live crowd. Not sure, but I think he's just a better natural heel, and when he tries to play "enthusiastic babyface owner" it doesn't come out the way he thinks it does. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 06:10 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2695th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I know Tony barely said anything last night- my point is, on an ongoing basis, if they are going to promote these huge announcements at least have someone who is able to do it. That's exactly what they did. And are they going to do that every time? Last edited on Thu Apr 21st, 2022 06:11 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 06:11 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2696th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Did all the wrestlers know about the big announcement, or just Cole? The announcers certainly played it off like they were interested to find out what the announcement was. Jay White knew, and he told Cole. Thanks. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 06:13 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2697th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I know Tony barely said anything last night- my point is, on an ongoing basis, if they are going to promote these huge announcements at least have someone who is able to do it. That's exactly what they did. And are they going to do that every time? Are you upset because they MIGHT allow Khan to speak again in the future even if they didn't this time? Out of all the things to nitpick in wrestling, this seems ridiculous. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 06:20 pm PM Quote Reply 2698th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I know Tony barely said anything last night- my point is, on an ongoing basis, if they are going to promote these huge announcements at least have someone who is able to do it. That's exactly what they did. And are they going to do that every time? Are you upset because they MIGHT allow Khan to speak again in the future even if they didn't this time? Out of all the things to nitpick in wrestling, this seems ridiculous. What if the next time they do this, the guy who talks in place of Khan has recently lost weight, but hasn't bought a new wardrobe and his pants fall down on live television? Outlaw mud show bullshit. AEW fucking sucks. Last edited on Thu Apr 21st, 2022 06:20 pm by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 06:32 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2699th Post Franchise Low key big hog Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Ohio , USA Posts: 6045 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I know Tony barely said anything last night- my point is, on an ongoing basis, if they are going to promote these huge announcements at least have someone who is able to do it. That's exactly what they did. And are they going to do that every time? Are you upset because they MIGHT allow Khan to speak again in the future even if they didn't this time? Out of all the things to nitpick in wrestling, this seems ridiculous. What if the next time they do this, the guy who talks in place of Khan has recently lost weight, but hasn't bought a new wardrobe and his pants fall down on live television? Outlaw mud show bullshit. AEW fucking sucks. Will Jim Ross yell “the genetic jackhammer!!!!!!!” while the pants are down? ____________________ Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 06:46 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2700th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/22.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu22')">Franchisea> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I know Tony barely said anything last night- my point is, on an ongoing basis, if they are going to promote these huge announcements at least have someone who is able to do it. That's exactly what they did. And are they going to do that every time? Are you upset because they MIGHT allow Khan to speak again in the future even if they didn't this time? Out of all the things to nitpick in wrestling, this seems ridiculous. What if the next time they do this, the guy who talks in place of Khan has recently lost weight, but hasn't bought a new wardrobe and his pants fall down on live television? Outlaw mud show bullshit. AEW fucking sucks. Will Jim Ross yell “the genetic jackhammer!!!!!!!” while the pants are down? He fucking better! ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 06:47 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2701st Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I know Tony barely said anything last night- my point is, on an ongoing basis, if they are going to promote these huge announcements at least have someone who is able to do it. That's exactly what they did. And are they going to do that every time? Are you upset because they MIGHT allow Khan to speak again in the future even if they didn't this time? Out of all the things to nitpick in wrestling, this seems ridiculous. It was more that they have the guy who owns the whole thing promoted as having a huge announcement and then a wrestler was able to take over the production of the show to put interrupt him. Maybe I am nitpicking I was kind of looking forward to hearing Tony speak, to see if he had gotten any better or worse than the last time. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 06:52 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2702nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I know Tony barely said anything last night- my point is, on an ongoing basis, if they are going to promote these huge announcements at least have someone who is able to do it. That's exactly what they did. And are they going to do that every time? Are you upset because they MIGHT allow Khan to speak again in the future even if they didn't this time? Out of all the things to nitpick in wrestling, this seems ridiculous. It was more that they have the guy who owns the whole thing promoted as having a huge announcement and then a wrestler was able to take over the production of the show to put interrupt him. Maybe I am nitpicking That worked out horribly when Steve Austin used to interrupt Vince McMahon all the time. They really should've fired him. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 06:52 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2703rd Post cheapseats Joined: Thu Jul 8th, 2010 Location: Eastern Panhandle , West Virginia USA Posts: 1249 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/22.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu22')">Franchisea> wrote: Punk looked horrible against Dustin; was this an off night for him or has he been like this the entire time? His kicks look like they couldn't break an egg and it looked like he was going to pass out from lack of oxygen by the end of it. Why all the hugging? Was this Dustin’s retirement match or does everyone have to shine Punk’s boots? Punk was looking off tonight but so was Dustin. The Mrs. immediately noticed that his gait looked stiff and he seemed a step slower. Maybe he was hurt and Punk dropped it a notch so as not to completely leave Dustin behind. ____________________ Never said that I could 100 % substantiate it. And convincing you 100 % is not a concern of mine. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 07:39 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2704th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/292.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu292')">cheapseatsa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/22.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu22')">Franchisea> wrote: Punk looked horrible against Dustin; was this an off night for him or has he been like this the entire time? His kicks look like they couldn't break an egg and it looked like he was going to pass out from lack of oxygen by the end of it. Why all the hugging? Was this Dustin’s retirement match or does everyone have to shine Punk’s boots? Punk was looking off tonight but so was Dustin. The Mrs. immediately noticed that his gait looked stiff and he seemed a step slower. Maybe he was hurt and Punk dropped it a notch so as not to completely leave Dustin behind. Dustin is working on two fake knees. I'm sure some days are better than others. If Dustin was an asshole, Punk would've made him look horrible - but he's a good guy and I'm sure that Punk worked to Dustin's pace. Punk seems to have also calmed way, way down since his WWE days. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 07:45 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2705th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/292.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu292')">cheapseatsa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/22.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu22')">Franchisea> wrote: Punk looked horrible against Dustin; was this an off night for him or has he been like this the entire time? His kicks look like they couldn't break an egg and it looked like he was going to pass out from lack of oxygen by the end of it. Why all the hugging? Was this Dustin’s retirement match or does everyone have to shine Punk’s boots? Punk was looking off tonight but so was Dustin. The Mrs. immediately noticed that his gait looked stiff and he seemed a step slower. Maybe he was hurt and Punk dropped it a notch so as not to completely leave Dustin behind. Dustin is working on two fake knees. I'm sure some days are better than others. If Dustin was an asshole, Punk would've made him look horrible - but he's a good guy and I'm sure that Punk worked to Dustin's pace. Punk seems to have also calmed way, way down since his WWE days. It was a match Punk requested as he had never worked with Dustin before, and he went out of his way to try to make him look good and show respect. To say Dustin was forced "to shine Punk's boots" is an asinine comment considering Punk was bending over backwards to make Dustin look like he was still a star, and he was the one shaking hands and hugging Dustin, not the other way around. I thought the match was fine for what it was. It was slowed down with a lot of mat work, and that's what the Jim Cornettes of the world are always bitching about. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 07:54 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2706th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: I will be nitpicky because I only saw it as my eyes turned toward the TV, but when they were brawling outside in the main event, did I see Darby about to ram Andrade's head into some fixture, but the Blade grabbed Darby's arms away , and then Andrade still ran full bore with no propulsion as if Darby was still behind it? Because that's what I seemed to see in that brief moment. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 21st, 2022 07:59 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2707th Post Franchise Low key big hog Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Ohio , USA Posts: 6045 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/292.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu292')">cheapseatsa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/22.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu22')">Franchisea> wrote: Punk looked horrible against Dustin; was this an off night for him or has he been like this the entire time? His kicks look like they couldn't break an egg and it looked like he was going to pass out from lack of oxygen by the end of it. Why all the hugging? Was this Dustin’s retirement match or does everyone have to shine Punk’s boots? Punk was looking off tonight but so was Dustin. The Mrs. immediately noticed that his gait looked stiff and he seemed a step slower. Maybe he was hurt and Punk dropped it a notch so as not to completely leave Dustin behind. Dustin is working on two fake knees. I'm sure some days are better than others. If Dustin was an asshole, Punk would've made him look horrible - but he's a good guy and I'm sure that Punk worked to Dustin's pace. Punk seems to have also calmed way, way down since his WWE days. It was a match Punk requested as he had never worked with Dustin before, and he went out of his way to try to make him look good and show respect. To say Dustin was forced "to shine Punk's boots" is an asinine comment considering Punk was bending over backwards to make Dustin look like he was still a star, and he was the one shaking hands and hugging Dustin, not the other way around. I thought the match was fine for what it was. It was slowed down with a lot of mat work, and that's what the Jim Cornettes of the world are always bitching about. Ok dude got it; specially requested match with respect all around. Going forward if i see a so/so Punk match where it looks like he can’t safely lift his opponent for the G2S, is kicking softly, is out of breath by the finish followed by hugs should i assume its another charity match or would that be asinine as well? Last edited on Thu Apr 21st, 2022 08:13 pm by Franchise ____________________ Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Apr 22nd, 2022 01:26 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2708th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Quick fire thoughts, just to see if anyone else sees anything similar: Christian Cage- After his loss to Adam Cole a few weeks ago, he walked off an interview segment with Jurassic Express. Last night, after Kyle O'Reilly beat Jungle Boy, Christian came down the ramp and spoke briefly with Jungle Boy before they walked back up the aisle. Christian has a heel face no matter what emotion he wants; he's like Gary Sinise where even having a heroic role has you just waiting for the turn. He has a lot in the tank but where would you slot him to bring him around to the end of his contract? Dr. Britt Baker- With respect for her improving in the ring and better conditioning over the last 2 years, she has had plenty of time to be much more. Last night's promo had her in a hometown favorite role and was propped up by two Steelers players, but she hadn't been around since her women's title loss to Thunder Rosa in the cage. The promotion just steered her toward the Owen Hart women's tournament with no real change in her presentation. Baker's comments about being the only woman with mic skills gave off the vibe that she thinks that portion of the work weighs more heavily than maybe AEW does. Personally I'm a fan of Thunder Rosa's passionate delivery even when she might stumble a bit because she's believable. Nyla Rose has a comedic tinge that works well to accent her beast role. There are others who could benefit from more screen time and need only a fraction of Baker's meteoric push. It will be interesting to see if Jamie Hayter and Rebel stay as Britt's cronies as the tournament rolls along. Smart Mark Sterling- I like that he filters in and out of segments with a variety of talent, even if he doesn't officially represent them. He has good presence and doesn't involve himself like a manager would. It's a unique role that not everyone could pull off, and while they could use him occasionally in the ring, it isn't necessary. Jade Cargill- She is a regular Project Runway moment each week; last night with her fringe dress had a Tina Turner tribute vibe. Ultimately I see a babyface turn for Jade battling heels who can help her improve like Serena Deeb. It was a surprise they aligned Jade with Red Velvet out of nowhere, but RV as a heel seems to have some upside. Jose the Assistant- I haven't seen his work in the ring but apparently he has been around a few years. I see the fact he took off his suit at the end of the Darby-Andarde match as a sign they want to have him as more of a bumping Virgil-type, where you don't feel like he is a wimpy coward as he takes his lumps. Last edited on Fri Apr 22nd, 2022 01:27 am by One Fan Gang Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Apr 22nd, 2022 11:05 am PM Quote Reply 2709th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I liked that AEW have embraced the negative reaction to Sammy & Tay and turned them heel. It's the simplest thing in the world, when the fans turn on a babyface, turn them heel. When it happened to Cody, he got a big booboo face and refused to turn, and when he acknowledged it to the crowd, he hated him even more, and he still wanted to be a face. I wouldn't be surprised if refusing to turn heel was one of the reasons he left. Cody seems to think that he's Dusty Rhodes and John Cena all rolled into one. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Apr 22nd, 2022 03:08 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2710th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I liked that AEW have embraced the negative reaction to Sammy & Tay and turned them heel. It's the simplest thing in the world, when the fans turn on a babyface, turn them heel. When it happened to Cody, he got a big booboo face and refused to turn, and when he acknowledged it to the crowd, he hated him even more, and he still wanted to be a face. I wouldn't be surprised if refusing to turn heel was one of the reasons he left. Cody seems to think that he's Dusty Rhodes and John Cena all rolled into one. The second Tay and Sammy kissed on screen, I knew the fans would turn on them. It's a huge miscalculation if Khan didn't. Then it got so ridiculous with both their social media and what they did on Dynamite that it was almost like they were ripping off the Edge-Lita "live sex celebration", only they were the babyfaces. I'd like to think the plan was to turn them all along, but I don't think it was. Just awful booking. At least it should result in Sammy and Ya being really good heels now, which is what they naturally are, but they're still feuding with Dan Lambert's crew. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Apr 22nd, 2022 03:53 pm PM Quote Reply 2711th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I liked that AEW have embraced the negative reaction to Sammy & Tay and turned them heel. It's the simplest thing in the world, when the fans turn on a babyface, turn them heel. When it happened to Cody, he got a big booboo face and refused to turn, and when he acknowledged it to the crowd, he hated him even more, and he still wanted to be a face. I wouldn't be surprised if refusing to turn heel was one of the reasons he left. Cody seems to think that he's Dusty Rhodes and John Cena all rolled into one. The second Tay and Sammy kissed on screen, I knew the fans would turn on them. It's a huge miscalculation if Khan didn't. Then it got so ridiculous with both their social media and what they did on Dynamite that it was almost like they were ripping off the Edge-Lita "live sex celebration", only they were the babyfaces. I'd like to think the plan was to turn them all along, but I don't think it was. Just awful booking. At least it should result in Sammy and Ya being really good heels now, which is what they naturally are, but they're still feuding with Dan Lambert's crew. ATT were working as faces on Wednesday, even Lambert. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Apr 22nd, 2022 04:04 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2712th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I liked that AEW have embraced the negative reaction to Sammy & Tay and turned them heel. It's the simplest thing in the world, when the fans turn on a babyface, turn them heel. When it happened to Cody, he got a big booboo face and refused to turn, and when he acknowledged it to the crowd, he hated him even more, and he still wanted to be a face. I wouldn't be surprised if refusing to turn heel was one of the reasons he left. Cody seems to think that he's Dusty Rhodes and John Cena all rolled into one. The second Tay and Sammy kissed on screen, I knew the fans would turn on them. It's a huge miscalculation if Khan didn't. Then it got so ridiculous with both their social media and what they did on Dynamite that it was almost like they were ripping off the Edge-Lita "live sex celebration", only they were the babyfaces. I'd like to think the plan was to turn them all along, but I don't think it was. Just awful booking. At least it should result in Sammy and Ya being really good heels now, which is what they naturally are, but they're still feuding with Dan Lambert's crew. ATT were working as faces on Wednesday, even Lambert. I assumed that was by default to further get across that Sammy and Tay were heels now. Turning ATT face would be stupider than thinking Sammy and Tay wouldn't be booed. This whole thing is a mess. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 23rd, 2022 07:32 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2713th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: KENTA is teasing a match with Punk at Forbidden Door. Battle of the Go to Sleeps. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2022 02:35 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2714th Post carpetbeggar The Ayatollah Of Rock And Rolla Joined: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 Location: Dangling From A Rope Of...CONFETTI!!! Posts: 12249 Status: Offline Mana: I can't remember, but which show, RAW or Nitro is credited with starting each show with the big pyro celebration first? I got thinking about that watching the opening of Dynamite tonight. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2022 03:53 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2715th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Dax Harwood vs. Cash Wheeler was as good an old school match as you’re capable of seeing in 2022. Fantastic. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2022 03:59 am Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2716th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Dax Harwood vs. Cash Wheeler was as good an old school match as you’re capable of seeing in 2022. Fantastic. I was half expecting it to be a bloodbath with the way they’ve booked the “big matches” these days. But instead it was pretty damn sharp, reminded me of the Main event matches that used to run on TBS back in the day. Bobby Eaton would’ve been proud of their work. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2022 04:45 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2717th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: The Kingston-Jericho interactions are so fucking perfect. Amazing segment again tonight between one of the best promos of the past 20 years and bar none the best promo of the past 5. Totally different styles and it works great together. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2022 05:03 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2718th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: MJF teased that he’s bringing in Impact’s W. Morrissey next week to take out Wardlow. And you can’t teach that. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2022 05:30 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2719th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: For at least tonight, Men of the Year with Dan Lambert had to play the faces in order for Sammy to transfer to the heel side and focus on a new target that will establish him there for a while. I could see future opponents being some vets like The Hardys or Dustin Rhodes and perhaps some younger talent like Jungle Boy or Lee Moriarty. MOTY has the Sky vs. Kazarian match in their immediate future, as seen at the show's end tonight. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2022 05:40 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2720th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: AEW is not afraid of having individualzed camps of fans for babyfaces. The Swerve and Darby prompo together sounds like there is some backstory to play off, maybe just put in place to gauge some more reaction. The CM Punk promo where he shows dislike for Eddie Kingston, and his commentary about not caring for either Harwood or Wheeler could be interesting foreshadowing for a Punk heel turn down the line. Maybe, anyway...the comments are generally innocuous right now as some bodies are moving between roles. Is Julia Hart still sitting on the ring steps? They were doing something on Dark this week where she has an infection around the eyepatch, almost like Jillian Hall. I think the cheerleader role is almost out of gas and so are the Varsity Blondes. Last edited on Thu Apr 28th, 2022 05:41 am by One Fan Gang Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2022 09:36 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2721st Post Ed Lock Joined: Fri Jan 4th, 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 232 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Dax Harwood vs. Cash Wheeler was as good an old school match as you’re capable of seeing in 2022. Fantastic. I agree wholeheartedly, mate. Cheers! Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2022 06:56 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2722nd Post cheapseats Joined: Thu Jul 8th, 2010 Location: Eastern Panhandle , West Virginia USA Posts: 1249 Status: Offline Mana: Loved Dax vs Cash. Just a beautiful piece of work. Kingston, Santa & Ortiz need 2 more bodies in their feud with JAS. Ethan Page and Scorpio Sky would have been my pick to pencil in since ATT feuded with the Pinnacle but I am not sure anyone wants to see that again or if it makes no since to immerse the TNT champ in gang warfare. Thank God Deeb and Shida are done. Great matches but it just gets repetitive after a point. Move Deeb in to a spot as a top challenger for Thunder Rosa. I am calling it now...Cole and ReDRagon are going to interfere in the Page/Punk match to fuck over Page and cost him the belt. It will incense the Bucks, who will turn face and then we have those 6 pair off in to a feud. Punk will then embrace heel doom for a while and eventually lost to....Eddie Kingston at some point down the line? ____________________ Never said that I could 100 % substantiate it. And convincing you 100 % is not a concern of mine. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2022 07:38 pm PM Quote Reply 2723rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/292.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu292')">cheapseatsa> wrote: Loved Dax vs Cash. Just a beautiful piece of work. Kingston, Santa & Ortiz need 2 more bodies in their feud with JAS. Ethan Page and Scorpio Sky would have been my pick to pencil in since ATT feuded with the Pinnacle but I am not sure anyone wants to see that again or if it makes no since to immerse the TNT champ in gang warfare. Thank God Deeb and Shida are done. Great matches but it just gets repetitive after a point. Move Deeb in to a spot as a top challenger for Thunder Rosa. I am calling it now...Cole and ReDRagon are going to interfere in the Page/Punk match to fuck over Page and cost him the belt. It will incense the Bucks, who will turn face and then we have those 6 pair off in to a feud. Punk will then embrace heel doom for a while and eventually lost to....Eddie Kingston at some point down the line? Punk is only going to get this title once, and it's going to be in Chicago. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2022 08:27 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2724th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/292.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu292')">cheapseatsa> wrote: Loved Dax vs Cash. Just a beautiful piece of work. Kingston, Santa & Ortiz need 2 more bodies in their feud with JAS. Ethan Page and Scorpio Sky would have been my pick to pencil in since ATT feuded with the Pinnacle but I am not sure anyone wants to see that again or if it makes no since to immerse the TNT champ in gang warfare. Thank God Deeb and Shida are done. Great matches but it just gets repetitive after a point. Move Deeb in to a spot as a top challenger for Thunder Rosa. I am calling it now...Cole and ReDRagon are going to interfere in the Page/Punk match to fuck over Page and cost him the belt. It will incense the Bucks, who will turn face and then we have those 6 pair off in to a feud. Punk will then embrace heel doom for a while and eventually lost to....Eddie Kingston at some point down the line? Punk is only going to get this title once, and it's going to be in Chicago. And he doesn't turn heel until after Chicago. However, he will be like Britt Baker and be the face in Chicago every time after he turns for as long as he's heel. He works better as a heel anyway. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2022 09:49 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2725th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: This is the MJF clip after the Wardlow-Archer match: <A HREF="https://twitter.com/AEWonTV/status/1519487117759451136" TARGET="_blank">MJF INTERVIEW 4-27-2022A> They must have a boom mic or some other form of sound engineering going on as coverage. After Lexie walks off and Spears is holding the mic, the volume levels don't vary in any way, and I think a floor director must have instructed Spears to tilt the mic toward MJF for appearance purposes. Spears has good reactions throughout and didn't appear to register an audible of that nature. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Apr 29th, 2022 02:36 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2726th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Last night’s Dynamite was heavily re-written at the last minute due to Adam Page getting COVID. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Apr 29th, 2022 04:32 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2727th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: MJF teased that he’s bringing in Impact’s W. Morrissey next week to take out Wardlow. And you can’t teach that. Is he any better than he was in wwe? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Apr 29th, 2022 05:13 pm PM Quote Reply 2728th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: MJF teased that he’s bringing in Impact’s W. Morrissey next week to take out Wardlow. And you can’t teach that. Is he any better than he was in wwe? He's been okay in Impact. He's good enough to be squashed by Wardlow in five minutes. It makes sense bringing him in, since he has some name value, and after beating Lance Archer, the only person on the AEW roster that could do the same job is Keith Lee, and that would be a bad booking idea. He's not going to get a push, he's probably not even going to talk. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Apr 29th, 2022 05:31 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2729th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: MJF teased that he’s bringing in Impact’s W. Morrissey next week to take out Wardlow. And you can’t teach that. Is he any better than he was in wwe? He's been okay in Impact. He's good enough to be squashed by Wardlow in five minutes. It makes sense bringing him in, since he has some name value, and after beating Lance Archer, the only person on the AEW roster that could do the same job is Keith Lee, and that would be a bad booking idea. He's not going to get a push, he's probably not even going to talk. And you can’t teach that ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Apr 29th, 2022 06:56 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2730th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: MJF teased that he’s bringing in Impact’s W. Morrissey next week to take out Wardlow. And you can’t teach that. Is he any better than he was in wwe? He's been okay in Impact. He's good enough to be squashed by Wardlow in five minutes. It makes sense bringing him in, since he has some name value, and after beating Lance Archer, the only person on the AEW roster that could do the same job is Keith Lee, and that would be a bad booking idea. He's not going to get a push, he's probably not even going to talk. The worst part about him in Impact is his name, which is so un-monter-like that it's hard to take him seriously as a near-7-footer. I keep thinking of emo music every time I hear him. But he's not the guy AEW should be bringing in. Maybe the moment has passed, but Enzo right before he was fired was as interesting as anyone in WWE in 20 years, and I'd love to see him as a manager for 5 guys in AEW who have no direction and no personality. Him on the mic with Kingston, Jericho, MJF, and others in faction warfare would be gold. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Apr 29th, 2022 07:28 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2731st Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I didn't like Enzo but he sure as hell was over huuuge. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Apr 29th, 2022 11:30 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2732nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Dax Harwood vs. Cash Wheeler was as good an old school match as you’re capable of seeing in 2022. Fantastic. For those that didn’t catch it (and I certainly didn’t), Dax and Cash paid homage by directly copying spots from the Bret vs. Owen WM X match and the Bret vs. Benoit Nitro Owen tribute match. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 30th, 2022 12:09 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2733rd Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Dax Harwood vs. Cash Wheeler was as good an old school match as you’re capable of seeing in 2022. Fantastic. For those that didn’t catch it (and I certainly didn’t), Dax and Cash paid homage by directly copying spots from the Bret vs. Owen WM X match and the Bret vs. Benoit Nitro Owen tribute match. I saw the blocked rollup WM10 spot, but the Benoit-Bret match doesn't echo in eternity for me other than it was a nice way to pay homage to Owen. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 30th, 2022 12:20 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2734th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Dax Harwood vs. Cash Wheeler was as good an old school match as you’re capable of seeing in 2022. Fantastic. For those that didn’t catch it (and I certainly didn’t), Dax and Cash paid homage by directly copying spots from the Bret vs. Owen WM X match and the Bret vs. Benoit Nitro Owen tribute match. I saw the blocked rollup WM10 spot, but the Benoit-Bret match doesn't echo in eternity for me other than it was a nice way to pay homage to Owen. The opening sequence with the wristlock takedowns and nip-ups was directly from WM X as well. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 30th, 2022 07:45 am PM Quote Reply 2735th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: MJF teased that he’s bringing in Impact’s W. Morrissey next week to take out Wardlow. And you can’t teach that. Is he any better than he was in wwe? He's been okay in Impact. He's good enough to be squashed by Wardlow in five minutes. It makes sense bringing him in, since he has some name value, and after beating Lance Archer, the only person on the AEW roster that could do the same job is Keith Lee, and that would be a bad booking idea. He's not going to get a push, he's probably not even going to talk. The worst part about him in Impact is his name, which is so un-monter-like that it's hard to take him seriously as a near-7-footer. I keep thinking of emo music every time I hear him. But he's not the guy AEW should be bringing in. Maybe the moment has passed, but Enzo right before he was fired was as interesting as anyone in WWE in 20 years, and I'd love to see him as a manager for 5 guys in AEW who have no direction and no personality. Him on the mic with Kingston, Jericho, MJF, and others in faction warfare would be gold. There is an obvious AEW connection that I forgot about. Lexy Nair, who has been doing YouTube work for AEW since the beginning and recently became a regular backstage interviewer on Dynamite and Rampage, has been dating W. Morrissey for the past year. Lexy Nair is DDP's (ex-)step-daughter from his second marriage. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 30th, 2022 08:17 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2736th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Watching Rampage now. Swerve v Darby was a good match to start the show. Six woman tag was OK for what it was. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 30th, 2022 08:24 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2737th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: MJF teased that he’s bringing in Impact’s W. Morrissey next week to take out Wardlow. And you can’t teach that. Is he any better than he was in wwe? He's been okay in Impact. He's good enough to be squashed by Wardlow in five minutes. It makes sense bringing him in, since he has some name value, and after beating Lance Archer, the only person on the AEW roster that could do the same job is Keith Lee, and that would be a bad booking idea. He's not going to get a push, he's probably not even going to talk. The worst part about him in Impact is his name, which is so un-monter-like that it's hard to take him seriously as a near-7-footer. I keep thinking of emo music every time I hear him. But he's not the guy AEW should be bringing in. Maybe the moment has passed, but Enzo right before he was fired was as interesting as anyone in WWE in 20 years, and I'd love to see him as a manager for 5 guys in AEW who have no direction and no personality. Him on the mic with Kingston, Jericho, MJF, and others in faction warfare would be gold. There is an obvious AEW connection that I forgot about. Lexy Nair, who has been doing YouTube work for AEW since the beginning and recently became a regular backstage interviewer on Dynamite and Rampage, has been dating W. Morrissey for the past year. Lexy Nair is DDP's (ex-)step-daughter from his second marriage. Really not that obvious. If everyone who was banging someone was in AEW, then everyone would be in AEW. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 30th, 2022 08:32 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2738th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: MJF has raised the ire of the city of Pittsburgh for posing with a picture in which he’s fucking a Franco Harris statue from behind at the Pittsburgh International Airport. He tweeted the picture out to flame the fans of that city as he was returning from a Dynamite there last week. City officials were not amused and have now put 2-3 security guards/cops on the statue at all times, vowing this would never happen again. So MJF is directly responsible for wasting taxpayer dollars in Pittsburgh, which is the greatest heel move ever. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 30th, 2022 08:37 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2739th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: MJF has raised the ire of the city of Pittsburgh for posing with a picture in which he’s fucking a Franco Harris statue from behind at the Pittsburgh International Airport. He tweeted the picture out to flame the fans of that city as he was returning from a Dynamite there last week. City officials were not amused and have now put 2-3 security guards/cops on the statue at all times, vowing this would never happen again. So MJF is directly responsible for wasting taxpayer dollars in Pittsburgh, which is the greatest heel move ever. Tremendous. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Apr 30th, 2022 08:58 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2740th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Good Rampage, aside from the stuff with Danhausen (which the crowd loved) and the very end of the show I liked pretty much everything else. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon May 2nd, 2022 08:43 am PM Quote Reply 2741st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Not really the right place for this, but I didn't want to start a new thread. There were a lot of AEW guys at AAA TripleMania on Saturday, so I wanted to watch some of the show. The main event of the Bucks vs Rey Fenix & Hijo del Vikingo sounded good and got some good reviews. What a visual mess. Impossible to watch. I'm surprised none of the reviews mentioned it, but actually, reviewers rarely comment on the awful presentation of indie and international wrestling. The hard cam was so low that it was in line with the mat, so there was no depth to any of the shots. This may have been to have the entire huge tron behind the ring in full view, since it was constantly showing adverts during every match, which also made this show unwatchable. I guess the director knew this, so he got out his copy of Kevin Dunn's Idiots Guide to Wrestling Television Presentation, and cut every two seconds. Which was still awful, because the ring seemed to be higher off the ground than a usual ring, so all the ringside shots looked like they were from the perspective of a five-year-old. Maybe it's just me, but outside of WWE, AEW, Impact and New Japan, I find a lot of wrestling really difficult to watch because of bad presentation and camera work. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue May 3rd, 2022 04:06 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2742nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Stu Grayson of the Dark Order is apparently gone. He hasn’t wrestled on Dynamite in a very long time and was last seen on Dark Elevation on April 20. Grayson and Evil Uno were an original AEW tag team and a top Canadian indy team who got lost in the shuffle as the roster expanded. Tony Khan has made it a point not to release anyone without cause, so it’s assumed his contract was quietly allowed to expire on May 1. There’s no word yet on the status of Uno. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue May 3rd, 2022 07:27 am PM Quote Reply 2743rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Stu Grayson of the Dark Order is apparently gone. He hasn’t wrestled on Dynamite in a very long time and was last seen on Dark Elevation on April 20. Grayson and Evil Uno were an original AEW tag team and a top Canadian indy team who got lost in the shuffle as the roster expanded. Tony Khan has made it a point not to release anyone without cause, so it’s assumed his contract was quietly allowed to expire on May 1. There’s no word yet on the status of Uno. Jack Evans, Joey Janela, Marko Stunt and Stu Grayson were all removed from the AEW roster page yesterday. (So was Wardlow, but that is all kayfabe.) Grayson was on last night's Elevation, in a 12-man tag match. He didn't appear to get any special send-off, at least not on camera. This episode was taped last Wednesday. I'm guessing they will wrap this all up on BTE. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 5th, 2022 03:10 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2744th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: MJF teased that he’s bringing in Impact’s W. Morrissey next week to take out Wardlow. And you can’t teach that. Is he any better than he was in wwe? He's been okay in Impact. He's good enough to be squashed by Wardlow in five minutes. It makes sense bringing him in, since he has some name value, and after beating Lance Archer, the only person on the AEW roster that could do the same job is Keith Lee, and that would be a bad booking idea. He's not going to get a push, he's probably not even going to talk. The worst part about him in Impact is his name, which is so un-monter-like that it's hard to take him seriously as a near-7-footer. I keep thinking of emo music every time I hear him. But he's not the guy AEW should be bringing in. Maybe the moment has passed, but Enzo right before he was fired was as interesting as anyone in WWE in 20 years, and I'd love to see him as a manager for 5 guys in AEW who have no direction and no personality. Him on the mic with Kingston, Jericho, MJF, and others in faction warfare would be gold. There is an obvious AEW connection that I forgot about. Lexy Nair, who has been doing YouTube work for AEW since the beginning and recently became a regular backstage interviewer on Dynamite and Rampage, has been dating W. Morrissey for the past year. Lexy Nair is DDP's (ex-)step-daughter from his second marriage. Huge dueling chants of "We Want Enzo!" "No We Don't" during the Morrissey-Wardlow match, which was quite good for a big man match. Wardlow is thick but not tall so it was a good visual to see him throw around someone so much bigger in Morrissey. The match served its purpose and I was happy for Morrissey that he got to wrestle in front of 15,000 fans again. Impact is putting out a very solid product but it often occurs in a vacuum and you wonder if anyone is watching. For Wardlow, he has gotten insanely over and the presentation with him coming out to no music and handcuffed surrounded by security has really been great. He's getting the "Goldberg" chants now, no piping in necessary. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 5th, 2022 03:18 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2745th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Jericho is facing Santana right now. If Eddie Kingston is hiding as a cameraman at ringside, I'm calling it now at 8:10 Central time. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 5th, 2022 03:21 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2746th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Jericho is facing Santana right now. If Eddie Kingston is hiding as a cameraman at ringside, I'm calling it now at 8:10 Central time. Okay, it didn't happen. But they had someone cloaked facially and in all-black and they didn't cut to their shot at any point. Maybe they just want the crew to blend in to the fabric. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 5th, 2022 03:46 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2747th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tony Khan with a message about Asian American Pacific Islander month and how none of the wrestlers who looked like him were portrayed as babyfaces when hew as a kid. He does realize that Riho looks nothing like him in more ways than one, right? The package made me wonder if Tony thinks he's a tiny Japanese girl. Oh well, diversity and all that jazz. Moving on... ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 5th, 2022 04:25 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2748th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Mercedes Martinez predictably beats Impact's Deonna Purrazzo to unify the lineal and interim ROH Women's titles. It was given the main event slot on Dynamite and I don't know if the fans cared about it as much as they wanted them to. The match was fine for what it was but at the end of the day it just looked like Deonna was there to put over an AEW talent, which is exactly what she was there to do. She probably deserved better, but whatever had possibly been planned before went out the window when Khan bought ROH. Deonna certainly looked better this week than the woman she beat for the title, Rok-C, who was last seen running around the beach with an Asian chick in pajamas on NXT. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 5th, 2022 04:32 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2749th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: AEW has been sued by some blind asshole who claims their merch website doesn't abide by the Americans With Disabilities Act for the visually impaired. This is a copycat lawsuit as someone sued WWE for the same thing a few years ago, resulting in an out-of-court settlement for an undisclosed sum, so this is basically free money. I hope this guy's seeing-eye dog leads him into traffic. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 5th, 2022 05:51 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2750th Post Big Garea Fan MR BASKETBALL Joined: Wed Mar 4th, 2009 Location: Posts: 4686 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: AEW has been sued by some blind asshole who claims their merch website doesn't abide by the Americans With Disabilities Act for the visually impaired. This is a copycat lawsuit as someone sued WWE for the same thing a few years ago, resulting in an out-of-court settlement for an undisclosed sum, so this is basically free money. I hope this guy's seeing-eye dog leads him into traffic. Stuff like this makes me wish that I would have went to law school and become a lawyer. There are so many frivolous lawsuits that companies just pay to make go away that the lawyer could make a fortune. I am sure that lawyers have a never-ending supply of potential litigation lined up due to the COVID pandemic and all of the "uncharted" areas of the law where people, government, and companies were just making things up as it went along. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 5th, 2022 05:55 pm PM Quote Reply 2751st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: AEW has been sued by some blind asshole who claims their merch website doesn't abide by the Americans With Disabilities Act for the visually impaired. This is a copycat lawsuit as someone sued WWE for the same thing a few years ago, resulting in an out-of-court settlement for an undisclosed sum, so this is basically free money. I hope this guy's seeing-eye dog leads him into traffic. I've read a couple of deep dives about this. There isn't a blind wrestling fan sitting at home crying because he can't order a Young Bucks t-shirt. The lawyer searches the Internet for online stores which don't follow the ADA rules and then lines up some patsies to build his class action suit. The rules are so strict that you aren't even supposed to put colors together that could confuse a color blind person. Most of it though is making sure that it is compatable with the reader software that the blind use. All they are looking for is a quick settlement to make fast buck. On the other side, apparently the AEW site isn't well built and they haven't made any attempt to comply with the rules, most of which are pretty simple, such as every picture should have a text description embedded. The lawyer is the asshole, but AEW should have probably hired a better web designer than Excaliber. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 5th, 2022 06:43 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2752nd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: LOL at Excalibur. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 5th, 2022 06:47 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2753rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: LOL at Excalibur. Well he's no Josh Matthews. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 5th, 2022 06:59 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2754th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: LOL at Excalibur. Well he's no Josh Matthews. Probably could have done a better job if not for that stupid ass mask. ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 5th, 2022 09:26 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2755th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Stu Grayson of the Dark Order is apparently gone. He hasn’t wrestled on Dynamite in a very long time and was last seen on Dark Elevation on April 20. Grayson and Evil Uno were an original AEW tag team and a top Canadian indy team who got lost in the shuffle as the roster expanded. Tony Khan has made it a point not to release anyone without cause, so it’s assumed his contract was quietly allowed to expire on May 1. There’s no word yet on the status of Uno. Evil Uno is still with the company as he competed with the Dark Order in an Elevation taping last night. It's a bit odd that they came in as a team but have different contract end dates, unless Uno was re-signed and Grayson wasn't for some reason. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 5th, 2022 10:09 pm PM Quote Reply 2756th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Stu Grayson of the Dark Order is apparently gone. He hasn’t wrestled on Dynamite in a very long time and was last seen on Dark Elevation on April 20. Grayson and Evil Uno were an original AEW tag team and a top Canadian indy team who got lost in the shuffle as the roster expanded. Tony Khan has made it a point not to release anyone without cause, so it’s assumed his contract was quietly allowed to expire on May 1. There’s no word yet on the status of Uno. Evil Uno is still with the company as he competed with the Dark Order in an Elevation taping last night. It's a bit odd that they came in as a team but have different contract end dates, unless Uno was re-signed and Grayson wasn't for some reason. They apparently were in talks with Grayson to re-sign, but they couldn't come to an agreement. I guess Uno agreed. Uno has a lot going on with the gaming side of AEW and has his YouTube and Twitch to bring in some extra cash. Grayson doesn't do any of that as far as I know. Might have been the difference. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 5th, 2022 11:31 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2757th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Stu Grayson of the Dark Order is apparently gone. He hasn’t wrestled on Dynamite in a very long time and was last seen on Dark Elevation on April 20. Grayson and Evil Uno were an original AEW tag team and a top Canadian indy team who got lost in the shuffle as the roster expanded. Tony Khan has made it a point not to release anyone without cause, so it’s assumed his contract was quietly allowed to expire on May 1. There’s no word yet on the status of Uno. Evil Uno is still with the company as he competed with the Dark Order in an Elevation taping last night. It's a bit odd that they came in as a team but have different contract end dates, unless Uno was re-signed and Grayson wasn't for some reason. They apparently were in talks with Grayson to re-sign, but they couldn't come to an agreement. I guess Uno agreed. Uno has a lot going on with the gaming side of AEW and has his YouTube and Twitch to bring in some extra cash. Grayson doesn't do any of that as far as I know. Might have been the difference. Grayson had a segment within the weekly Evil Uno Vlog where he would work out in hotel or city gyms and give his personal review. He had his own star system of "Angry Stu's" which were lower in general if they had too many cardio machines. He has been fairly normal in AEW interviews like "Unleashed" but when he would bark at his audience in his French-Canadian accent on the Vlog, he had a great presence, almost like a downsized Jos LeDuc. I will miss that element, and maybe Evil Uno is angling to do less ring work and more side projects anyway. He was a "middle manager" for Dark Order when Brodie Lee was around, and he's always dressed more for the office anyway. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri May 6th, 2022 05:10 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2758th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Interesting how "live" tonight's Impact commentary was, with mentions of what happened with Deonna and Morrissey on Dynamite last night and all the events this week in NJPW involving Juice Robinson joining Bullet Club etc. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri May 6th, 2022 11:40 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2759th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Rampage is starting now at a special time this week. Despite their best efforts to mention it numerous times, only seeing this thread reminded me and I'd have been irritated tonight that I can't retain basic info anymore. Starting with Ruby Soho/Toni Storm vs. Jamie Hayter/Dr. Britt Baker. Last edited on Fri May 6th, 2022 11:51 pm by One Fan Gang Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri May 6th, 2022 11:54 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2760th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Storm and Ruby get the win in a pretty well-worked opener. For the short amount of time they've been around each other, the timing and execution looked like they were all pretty comfortable together. Storm rolls up Baker for the three-count. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat May 7th, 2022 12:11 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2761st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Rampage is starting now at a special time this week. Despite their best efforts to mention it numerous times, only seeing this thread reminded me and I'd have been irritated tonight that I can't retain basic info anymore. Starting with Ruby Soho/Toni Storm vs. Jamie Hayter/Dr. Britt Baker. I’m out and completely forgot, so we’ll see how smart my DVR is. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat May 7th, 2022 05:27 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2762nd Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Scorpio Sky did a pretty good in-ring promo accepting Frankie Kazarian's challenge. Scorp is perfect in balancing his "Fighting champion" mode which could go babyface, or rallying MOTY and American Top Team as he remains heel. I wonder if the Paige Van Zant aspect of the angle has fallen apart, calling for Ethan Page to welch on the promise to have the mixed tag. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat May 7th, 2022 05:38 pm PM Quote Reply 2763rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Scorpio Sky did a pretty good in-ring promo accepting Frankie Kazarian's challenge. Scorp is perfect in balancing his "Fighting champion" mode which could go babyface, or rallying MOTY and American Top Team as he remains heel. I wonder if the Paige Van Zant aspect of the angle has fallen apart, calling for Ethan Page to welch on the promise to have the mixed tag. I think Sammy is injured. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun May 8th, 2022 01:44 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2764th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: MJF teased that he’s bringing in Impact’s W. Morrissey next week to take out Wardlow. And you can’t teach that. Is he any better than he was in wwe? He's been okay in Impact. He's good enough to be squashed by Wardlow in five minutes. It makes sense bringing him in, since he has some name value, and after beating Lance Archer, the only person on the AEW roster that could do the same job is Keith Lee, and that would be a bad booking idea. He's not going to get a push, he's probably not even going to talk. The worst part about him in Impact is his name, which is so un-monter-like that it's hard to take him seriously as a near-7-footer. I keep thinking of emo music every time I hear him. But he's not the guy AEW should be bringing in. Maybe the moment has passed, but Enzo right before he was fired was as interesting as anyone in WWE in 20 years, and I'd love to see him as a manager for 5 guys in AEW who have no direction and no personality. Him on the mic with Kingston, Jericho, MJF, and others in faction warfare would be gold. There is an obvious AEW connection that I forgot about. Lexy Nair, who has been doing YouTube work for AEW since the beginning and recently became a regular backstage interviewer on Dynamite and Rampage, has been dating W. Morrissey for the past year. Lexy Nair is DDP's (ex-)step-daughter from his second marriage. Huge dueling chants of "We Want Enzo!" "No We Don't" during the Morrissey-Wardlow match, which was quite good for a big man match. Wardlow is thick but not tall so it was a good visual to see him throw around someone so much bigger in Morrissey. The match served its purpose and I was happy for Morrissey that he got to wrestle in front of 15,000 fans again. Impact is putting out a very solid product but it often occurs in a vacuum and you wonder if anyone is watching. For Wardlow, he has gotten insanely over and the presentation with him coming out to no music and handcuffed surrounded by security has really been great. He's getting the "Goldberg" chants now, no piping in necessary. Well that served it’s purpose for Morrissey. Reports that WWE were very impressed by his look and work on Dynamite after he completely dropped off their radar in Impact. There are inquiries about his contract status and the feeling is that he looked clean and healthy and they might want him back. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun May 8th, 2022 01:46 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2765th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: MJF teased that he’s bringing in Impact’s W. Morrissey next week to take out Wardlow. And you can’t teach that. Is he any better than he was in wwe? He's been okay in Impact. He's good enough to be squashed by Wardlow in five minutes. It makes sense bringing him in, since he has some name value, and after beating Lance Archer, the only person on the AEW roster that could do the same job is Keith Lee, and that would be a bad booking idea. He's not going to get a push, he's probably not even going to talk. The worst part about him in Impact is his name, which is so un-monter-like that it's hard to take him seriously as a near-7-footer. I keep thinking of emo music every time I hear him. But he's not the guy AEW should be bringing in. Maybe the moment has passed, but Enzo right before he was fired was as interesting as anyone in WWE in 20 years, and I'd love to see him as a manager for 5 guys in AEW who have no direction and no personality. Him on the mic with Kingston, Jericho, MJF, and others in faction warfare would be gold. There is an obvious AEW connection that I forgot about. Lexy Nair, who has been doing YouTube work for AEW since the beginning and recently became a regular backstage interviewer on Dynamite and Rampage, has been dating W. Morrissey for the past year. Lexy Nair is DDP's (ex-)step-daughter from his second marriage. Huge dueling chants of "We Want Enzo!" "No We Don't" during the Morrissey-Wardlow match, which was quite good for a big man match. Wardlow is thick but not tall so it was a good visual to see him throw around someone so much bigger in Morrissey. The match served its purpose and I was happy for Morrissey that he got to wrestle in front of 15,000 fans again. Impact is putting out a very solid product but it often occurs in a vacuum and you wonder if anyone is watching. For Wardlow, he has gotten insanely over and the presentation with him coming out to no music and handcuffed surrounded by security has really been great. He's getting the "Goldberg" chants now, no piping in necessary. Well that served it’s purpose for Morrissey. Reports that WWE were very impressed by his look and work on Dynamite after he completely dropped off their radar in Impact. There are inquiries about his contract status and the feeling is that he looked clean and healthy and they might want him back. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun May 8th, 2022 01:47 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2766th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: MJF teased that he’s bringing in Impact’s W. Morrissey next week to take out Wardlow. And you can’t teach that. Is he any better than he was in wwe? He's been okay in Impact. He's good enough to be squashed by Wardlow in five minutes. It makes sense bringing him in, since he has some name value, and after beating Lance Archer, the only person on the AEW roster that could do the same job is Keith Lee, and that would be a bad booking idea. He's not going to get a push, he's probably not even going to talk. The worst part about him in Impact is his name, which is so un-monter-like that it's hard to take him seriously as a near-7-footer. I keep thinking of emo music every time I hear him. But he's not the guy AEW should be bringing in. Maybe the moment has passed, but Enzo right before he was fired was as interesting as anyone in WWE in 20 years, and I'd love to see him as a manager for 5 guys in AEW who have no direction and no personality. Him on the mic with Kingston, Jericho, MJF, and others in faction warfare would be gold. There is an obvious AEW connection that I forgot about. Lexy Nair, who has been doing YouTube work for AEW since the beginning and recently became a regular backstage interviewer on Dynamite and Rampage, has been dating W. Morrissey for the past year. Lexy Nair is DDP's (ex-)step-daughter from his second marriage. Huge dueling chants of "We Want Enzo!" "No We Don't" during the Morrissey-Wardlow match, which was quite good for a big man match. Wardlow is thick but not tall so it was a good visual to see him throw around someone so much bigger in Morrissey. The match served its purpose and I was happy for Morrissey that he got to wrestle in front of 15,000 fans again. Impact is putting out a very solid product but it often occurs in a vacuum and you wonder if anyone is watching. For Wardlow, he has gotten insanely over and the presentation with him coming out to no music and handcuffed surrounded by security has really been great. He's getting the "Goldberg" chants now, no piping in necessary. Well that served it’s purpose for Morrissey. Reports that WWE were very impressed by his look and work on Dynamite after he completely dropped off their radar in Impact. There are inquiries about his contract status and the feeling is that he looked clean and healthy and they might want him back. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun May 8th, 2022 12:18 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2767th Post beejmi THE BIG KAHUNA Joined: Sat Oct 13th, 2007 Location: Philly Posts: 52271 Status: Offline Mana: Who is Brit Bakers tourney opponent (the Joker)? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun May 8th, 2022 04:38 pm PM Quote Reply 2768th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1')">beejmia> wrote: Who is Brit Bakers tourney opponent (the Joker)? Both tournaments have a joker. Mystery opponents. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue May 10th, 2022 10:08 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2769th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: These TikTok shorts might get repetetive to some but it's nice to see this Abbadon get some pub even if it's in someone else's vehicle. <A HREF="https://twitter.com/HoganKnowsBest3/status/1523797421448335361" TARGET="_blank">A> Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed May 11th, 2022 12:01 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2770th Post krazykid18 The Prophet Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: These TikTok shorts might get repetetive to some but it's nice to see this Abbadon get some pub even if it's in someone else's vehicle. <A HREF="https://twitter.com/HoganKnowsBest3/status/1523797421448335361" TARGET="_blank">A> Is she battling Hayter and Skye Blue for the Queen AEW PAWG title? Let me edit that comment before Tony Khan sees this and he has another reason to get another belt on his program Last edited on Wed May 11th, 2022 12:02 am by krazykid18 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed May 11th, 2022 03:27 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2771st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Recently departed Impact star Jake Something will be debuting on AEW Dark tonight against Jay Lethal. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed May 11th, 2022 04:10 pm PM Quote Reply 2772nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Recently departed Impact star Jake Something will be debuting on AEW Dark tonight against Jay Lethal. Last night. It's Wednesday, and you know what that means. (Dynamite) They didn't make him out to be anything special, but they did the same with Rohit Raju. He (Rohit) was brought in like any other other enhancement talent, but over the weeks he's been getting some promo time and he won his first match last night. I don't see anything special in Jake Something that should make AEW interested in him. Last edited on Wed May 11th, 2022 04:11 pm by Kriss ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed May 11th, 2022 04:15 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2773rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Recently departed Impact star Jake Something will be debuting on AEW Dark tonight against Jay Lethal. Last night. It's Wednesday, and you know what that means. (Dynamite) They didn't make him out to be anything special, but they did the same with Rohit Raju. He (Rohit) was brought in like any other other enhancement talent, but over the weeks he's been getting some promo time and he won his first match last night. I don't see anything special in Jake Something that should make AEW interested in him. Rohit Raju really won me over during his Impact run and I think he has a lot of talent. I didn't even know he was in AEW. I haven't watched Dark in months. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed May 11th, 2022 04:27 pm PM Quote Reply 2774th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Recently departed Impact star Jake Something will be debuting on AEW Dark tonight against Jay Lethal. Last night. It's Wednesday, and you know what that means. (Dynamite) They didn't make him out to be anything special, but they did the same with Rohit Raju. He (Rohit) was brought in like any other other enhancement talent, but over the weeks he's been getting some promo time and he won his first match last night. I don't see anything special in Jake Something that should make AEW interested in him. Rohit Raju really won me over during his Impact run and I think he has a lot of talent. I didn't even know he was in AEW. I haven't watched Dark in months. He's a good promo, and if they want to do something to attract an Indian audience, he could be a good person to have, although he's much better as a chicken-shit heel than a face. Dark is worth watching just for the commentary with Taz and Excalibur. Dark Elevation has Paul Wight and Mark Henry on commentary without Tony or Excalibur now, but it's not as bad as it sounds, and Mark Henry has improved a lot very quickly. I don't see any difference between the two shows though, except that Dark Elevation has the better crowd since it's recorded before Dynamite and not at Universal Studios. 95% of matches are squashes. If a match looks good on paper, though, it almost always is. I'll always put a link to anything that's worth going out of your way to watch. There were a load of guys from New Japan Strong on last night's show (Kevin Knight & DKC wrestled) continuing the feud between QT Marshall & The Factory and the lower tier New Japan Strong guys. They taped a 10-man tag (with the New Japan team being Alex Coughlin, Clark Connors, Karl Fredericks, Kevin Knight & Yuya Uemura) which I think will be on next week's show. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 02:09 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2775th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I'm just hear to point out the fan in the front row tonight wearing the "Playboy" Gary Hart T-shirt. You'd never see that at a WWE show. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 02:42 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2776th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Heel Punk just for Long Island is awesome. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 03:09 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2777th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: I enjoyed the sendup of "Dark Side of the Ring" recapping the MJF-Punk dog collar match. A quickie callback to Jericho (who narrates the segment) and his issues wwith MJF from the past, and Chris then selling out for the money to read the MJF-slanted dialogue was good. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 03:55 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2778th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: I enjoyed the sendup of "Dark Side of the Ring" recapping the MJF-Punk dog collar match. A quickie callback to Jericho (who narrates the segment) and his issues wwith MJF from the past, and Chris then selling out for the money to read the MJF-slanted dialogue was good. That was great, and Barry Horowitz was in it! ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 04:08 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2779th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: This Hardy vs Darby match may be playing to their individual high diving playbooks but I think it's pretty tone deaf for them to put it in an Owen Hart Cup match. JR is selling this as an all-time great match. No reaction shots from Martha on this one. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 05:01 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2780th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: This Hardy vs Darby match may be playing to their individual high diving playbooks but I think it's pretty tone deaf for them to put it in an Owen Hart Cup match. JR is selling this as an all-time great match. No reaction shots from Martha on this one. Owen’s death has nothing to do with a wrestling match. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 05:30 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2781st Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: The highlight match tonight for me was Ricky Starks vs. Jungle Boy. It's being used as a pivot point for whether or not to turn Swerve and Keith Lee, or turn Christian, and maybe push Starks and Hobbs in a tag team with the titles being a goal. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 07:49 am PM Quote Reply 2782nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: This Hardy vs Darby match may be playing to their individual high diving playbooks but I think it's pretty tone deaf for them to put it in an Owen Hart Cup match. JR is selling this as an all-time great match. No reaction shots from Martha on this one. Owen’s death has nothing to do with a wrestling match. Yeah. I don't get what was "tone deaf" about it. It's not like one of them descended from the ceiling. No reaction shots from Martha because she completely no sold the first match. Waving and smiling to the camera when heel Adam Cole had won a match with her dead husband's finisher while the crowd booed. I wouldn't be surprised if she was only in her seat for the first match. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 08:33 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2783rd Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: No, they showed Martha in the Hayter-Storm match as well; she isn't a performer so I don't expect her to take direction on how to emote. I just think they could have let Darby-Hardy do their stunt show outside of the tournament and save the 2 slots for others; Fish and Swerve getting the entries would have added to the mix better than what we got. The crash through the coffin of chairs is close enough to descending from the ceiling for my taste. From a viewing standpoint, the 90-120 second breaks should have a sliding scale when they go to picture-in-picture so the ads can run while these guys lay there recovering, instead of shrinking high-action sequences. If they are booking the debilitating bumps anyway, structure the breaks to fit. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 10:29 am PM Quote Reply 2784th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: No, they showed Martha in the Hayter-Storm match as well; she isn't a performer so I don't expect her to take direction on how to emote. I just think they could have let Darby-Hardy do their stunt show outside of the tournament and save the 2 slots for others; Fish and Swerve getting the entries would have added to the mix better than what we got. The crash through the coffin of chairs is close enough to descending from the ceiling for my taste. From a viewing standpoint, the 90-120 second breaks should have a sliding scale when they go to picture-in-picture so the ads can run while these guys lay there recovering, instead of shrinking high-action sequences. If they are booking the debilitating bumps anyway, structure the breaks to fit. Yeah, I forgot to mention she was on camera during the women's match. She looked like a goof giving the peace signs to the camera as well. She should have jut been introduced to the crowd and that would have been enough Martha. I thought the shows was excellent top to bottom. One of the best Dynamites with good matches and good segments. I can't think of a single thing that didn't entertain. Each to their own, but you seem to be in a very small minority in being offended by the main event. Not sure how your fantasy booking improves the tournament. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 02:55 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2785th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Heel Punk just for Long Island is awesome. It sure is. Great stuff. Not sure why they are doing the Wardlow think in Long Island. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 02:57 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2786th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: This Hardy vs Darby match may be playing to their individual high diving playbooks but I think it's pretty tone deaf for them to put it in an Owen Hart Cup match. JR is selling this as an all-time great match. No reaction shots from Martha on this one. Seriously? What match would you prefer? I'm struggling with your logic here. Edit: Sorry, I see your next post explains. If the coffin drop through chairs is close enough to be disrespectful to a guy falling from the rafters doing a stunt with cables and harnesses, and if Martha Hart somehow equated the two, then she should have had nothing to do with it, or any other wrestling for that matter. But I'm sure she doesn't equate them in any way because they are completely different things. Last edited on Thu May 12th, 2022 03:09 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 04:45 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2787th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: No, they showed Martha in the Hayter-Storm match as well; she isn't a performer so I don't expect her to take direction on how to emote. I just think they could have let Darby-Hardy do their stunt show outside of the tournament and save the 2 slots for others; Fish and Swerve getting the entries would have added to the mix better than what we got. The crash through the coffin of chairs is close enough to descending from the ceiling for my taste. From a viewing standpoint, the 90-120 second breaks should have a sliding scale when they go to picture-in-picture so the ads can run while these guys lay there recovering, instead of shrinking high-action sequences. If they are booking the debilitating bumps anyway, structure the breaks to fit. Yeah, I forgot to mention she was on camera during the women's match. She looked like a goof giving the peace signs to the camera as well. She should have jut been introduced to the crowd and that would have been enough Martha. I thought the shows was excellent top to bottom. One of the best Dynamites with good matches and good segments. I can't think of a single thing that didn't entertain. Each to their own, but you seem to be in a very small minority in being offended by the main event. Not sure how your fantasy booking improves the tournament. Agreed, aside from the main event I liked everything else. I just hate that style of match but I know a lot of people like it. I don't generally like that MJF is a face in Long Island (and Wardlow is be default the heel) but that ended really well. the first match was great, Punk vs Silver was very good for a short match. I like Hayter and liked that women's match. I don't like the JAS but they were entertaining tonight. Starks is great and I do think Jungle Boy could be really good as a singles star too. Best Dynamite in quite a while. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 04:57 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2788th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: I just find it funny that Long Island is AEW’s Canada, minus the passive aggressive “Bizarro World” commentary that Vince would shout into his announcers’ ears. And Long Island is a traditionally dead area with the worst fans dating back decades, so it’s amazing that AEW has gotten this market so hot. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 05:12 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2789th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: I just find it funny that Long Island is AEW’s Canada, minus the passive aggressive “Bizarro World” commentary that Vince would shout into his announcers’ ears. And Long Island is a traditionally dead area with the worst fans dating back decades, so it’s amazing that AEW has gotten this market so hot. Were those miserable L.I. fans that were from the 80s required to pass that along to the next 2 generations, though? Or was it that the booking of shows in general improved, to the point that future generations of fans were more appreciative? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 05:35 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2790th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: I just find it funny that Long Island is AEW’s Canada, minus the passive aggressive “Bizarro World” commentary that Vince would shout into his announcers’ ears. And Long Island is a traditionally dead area with the worst fans dating back decades, so it’s amazing that AEW has gotten this market so hot. Were those miserable L.I. fans that were from the 80s required to pass that along to the next 2 generations, though? Or was it that the booking of shows in general improved, to the point that future generations of fans were more appreciative? The booking of every show, '80s house shows right up to both Raw and Nitro in the '90s, which was the businesses' hottest period? It had nothing to do with the product, Long Island fans were always known as the worst. I suspect the difference is that UBS Arena is barely really in Long Island. It's on the Queens border, about 5 feet into Long Island, a far cry from where Nassau Colisseum was. I think that makes a difference, but using MJF to get the place hot was pretty brilliant. All of Long Island can be the heels that we all know they are now. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 05:45 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2791st Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: I just find it funny that Long Island is AEW’s Canada, minus the passive aggressive “Bizarro World” commentary that Vince would shout into his announcers’ ears. And Long Island is a traditionally dead area with the worst fans dating back decades, so it’s amazing that AEW has gotten this market so hot. Interesting, I didn't know that. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 06:02 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2792nd Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: I just find it funny that Long Island is AEW’s Canada, minus the passive aggressive “Bizarro World” commentary that Vince would shout into his announcers’ ears. And Long Island is a traditionally dead area with the worst fans dating back decades, so it’s amazing that AEW has gotten this market so hot. Were those miserable L.I. fans that were from the 80s required to pass that along to the next 2 generations, though? Or was it that the booking of shows in general improved, to the point that future generations of fans were more appreciative? The booking of every show, '80s house shows right up to both Raw and Nitro in the '90s, which was the businesses' hottest period? It had nothing to do with the product, Long Island fans were always known as the worst. I suspect the difference is that UBS Arena is barely really in Long Island. It's on the Queens border, about 5 feet into Long Island, a far cry from where Nassau Colisseum was. I think that really makes a difference. I think most every area of the country with their respective territory had their share of miserable individuals who were also wrestling fans, and with L.I. my vision was that there were too many of them gathered in the venue that they dragged the vibe down as a whole. I've heard Nassau Colsieum may have also had bad acoustics, however if their crowds were just unappreciative vacuums of charisma, their reputations would be justified. Both MJF and Punk had Islanders sweaters on last night, with clearly opposite rections. I have a vague recollection of Adrian Adonis wearing one into the ring against Bob Backlund at MSG in 1982, which is Rangers country. (Unrelated, but the official Adonis Twitter account stated Jack Black is playing Adrian in a Netflix film about Hulk Hogan) Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri May 13th, 2022 07:13 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2793rd Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Forgot to post this yesterday. A few attendees have video of the post-show from Long Island but this captures the essence of it all. If you like the symbolism of things, Hook entered the arena from the heel tunnel and returned through the babyface side. <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNIrVM55reg" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNIrVM55regA> Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri May 13th, 2022 07:28 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2794th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: Forgot to post this yesterday. A few attendees have video of the post-show from Long Island but this captures the essence of it all. If you like the symbolism of things, Hook entered the arena from the heel tunnel and returned through the babyface side. <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNIrVM55reg" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNIrVM55regA> Thanks for posting, that was tremendous. These guys are obviously having so much fun playing reverse roles, and Punk puts over Hook like he's The Undertaker. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri May 13th, 2022 07:43 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2795th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: Gotta admit, I popped for the guy in the front row with the stupid “FRANCO HARRIS FEARS MJF” sign. 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Last edited on Thu May 19th, 2022 03:26 am by One Fan Gang Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu May 19th, 2022 03:35 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2800th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: CM Punk is wearing an “Abortion Rights Are Human Rights” shirt. Not sure how Tony Khan can approve something as divisive and political as that on a national broadcast. I don’t think WWE even lets you wear your favorite band T-shirt anymore. The most political they ever went by far was letting The New Day wear some Black Lives Matter gear, but this one is going to get heat on a different level I bet. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Johnny Elite (of course that’s his name) was the Wild Card on the men’s side of the Owen Cup, jobbing to Samoa Joe. It came across like a one-off but I could be wrong. He got a huge pop. He did. He looked rusty too, I thought.
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Great bout with Kyle O'Reilly absorbing numerous strikes and aerial assaults from Rey Fenix en route to his victory. Kyle's chest and neck look like he was victim of a stabbing. Best I've ever seen of Fenix. Really good match.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: CM Punk is wearing an “Abortion Rights Are Human Rights” shirt. Not sure how Tony Khan can approve something as divisive and political as that on a national broadcast. I don’t think WWE even lets you wear your favorite band T-shirt anymore. The most political they ever went by far was letting The New Day wear some Black Lives Matter gear, but this one is going to get heat on a different level I bet. I can't imagine Tony will say anything to Punk about that. I could be way off.
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Nothing to say. It wouldn’t have happened if Tony wasn’t okay with it. It’s not like Punk hid it under a sweatshirt all day and then sprung it on them on live TV. I could be wrong, but highly unlikely.
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Jericho referencing peeing in Regal’s tea was great, but nothing else connected like it should have considering the promo talent in that segment. Just an off night for all.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I must have missed this but why was Wheeler Yuta missing last night? And he's not involved in the PPV match either? I know he won some ROH belt a while back but it was odd to have no mention of him.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Pity, I liked him. His match on Rampage was one of the better recent matches I've seen. But they clearly had no plans for him. I've seen very little of him before so I don't know if they are missing a trick (I assume they are not, they have a pretty stacked roster of guys already) but he does look good. Last edited on Fri May 20th, 2022 10:54 am by Jim_Irish
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He's 44 and has been wrestling since 1998. A good veteran, but not someone AEW should be pushing. Was always good in the ring, but lacked the personality and promo skills to ever get out of the mid-card. He has literally wrestled everywhere. Good runs in TNA in the 2000s and ROH in the 2010s. He even had a cup of coffee in WWE in 2005, but I think he only wrestled on Velocity.
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Posted: Fri May 20th, 2022 11:14 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2816th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Yes, I'm reasonably familiar with his career timelime and I did see him long ago when I watched TNA. Before AEW I'd watched very little wrestling for probably about 15 years so I missed a lot of his career.
Not suggesting they push him but he could be a good guy to have around. But they already probably have too many people on contract so I get it. I didn't know about the promo skills but I sort of assumed if he was good on that front he would have been a bigger deal. Last edited on Fri May 20th, 2022 11:15 am by Jim_Irish
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He's 44 and has been wrestling since 1998. A good veteran, but not someone AEW should be pushing. Was always good in the ring, but lacked the personality and promo skills to ever get out of the mid-card. He has literally wrestled everywhere. Good runs in TNA in the 2000s and ROH in the 2010s. He even had a cup of coffee in WWE in 2005, but I think he only wrestled on Velocity.
I saw one of his matches at a SD taping in Baltimore when he was signed by WWE. It was a match taped for velocity and I was one of the few in my section who knew who kazarian was. I kept screaming for the future (Frankie “the future” kazarian) and I’m sure everyone around me kept thinking STFU!
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The deal was that he racked up 3 or 4 wins in a row on Velocity and looked great, and then they asked him to cut his hair. He refused and quit/was fired. Then he cut his hair on his own shortly after. In the grand scheme of things, it makes no difference at all as there's very little chance he would've done anything of note in WWE anyway, but he might have a little more money in the bank if he had stayed.
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The deal was that he racked up 3 or 4 wins in a row on Velocity and looked great, and then they asked him to cut his hair. He refused and quit/was fired. Then he cut his hair on his own shortly after. In the grand scheme of things, it makes no difference at all as there's very little chance he would've done anything of note in WWE anyway, but he might have a little more money in the bank if he had stayed. That was 100% a Stephanie decision, everybody liked Kazarian but she wanted him to cut his hair and he said no so she demanded it, still said no, and he was gone within that day. I remember this well and there's probably even a thread on this board that talks about it.
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Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: After Rampage went off the air and they continued to film the brawl between JAS and BCC/Santana/Ortiz/Kingston, somehow Bryan Danielson wedged his leg between the apron and the ramp. He called an audible thru the ref for Jake Hager to attack his leg. After 3-4 minutes of very confused reactions, the ramp was finally pulled back and Danielson limped to the back, while acknowledging the crowd.
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After Rampage went off the air and they continued to film the brawl between JAS and BCC/Santana/Ortiz/Kingston, somehow Bryan Danielson wedged his leg between the apron and the ramp. He called an audible thru the ref for Jake Hager to attack his leg. After 3-4 minutes of very confused reactions, the ramp was finally pulled back and Danielson limped to the back, while acknowledging the crowd.
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I had heard about that yesterday and assumed they went off the air before it happened intentionally. This was a great improv by Danielson to have Hager attack the leg so now they can edit it together to look like a heinous assault if they want. It was a really freak thing and Meltzer said he was shocked that he walked out under his own power because live it seemed really bad.
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Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: I didn't see the logic of people standing or sitting on the ramp with the intent of pulling it toward the locker room. Nobody was going to leg press it backward. I had flashbacks to the time Ultimate Warrior was locked in a casket and the road agents fumbled around in a futile attempt to extract him.
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Posted: Sat May 21st, 2022 06:05 am PM Quote Reply 2824th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: It already came out yesterday that the stuck leg spot was a work. Apparently Danielson saw the ring setup and had an idea that this would be an amusing spot. He's fine.
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Posted: Sat May 21st, 2022 01:55 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2825th Post kargol
Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I'm onto the Jericho - Regal confrontation. It's started well, went in too long for my liking and Regal's comeback was silly. Moxley looked drunk.
Jericho referencing peeing in Regal’s tea was great, but nothing else connected like it should have considering the promo talent in that segment. Just an off night for all. Regal's reference to "flower" was taken straight from the playbook of sixties comic Charlie Williams, one of the first black faces on British television.
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Posted: Thu May 26th, 2022 08:52 am PM Quote Reply 2827th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: NJPW’s Jeff Cobb and Great-O-Khan made a surprise appearance and laid out everyone during the ROH Tag title match between FTR and Roppongi Vice.
And managed to fit as many botches into their two minutes as they could. Great-O-Khan looks very rough around the edges.
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Posted: Thu May 26th, 2022 02:33 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2828th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: NJPW’s Jeff Cobb and Great-O-Khan made a surprise appearance and laid out everyone during the ROH Tag title match between FTR and Roppongi Vice.
And managed to fit as many botches into their two minutes as they could. Great-O-Khan looks very rough around the edges.
O-Khan is awful, the type of gaijin heel who would've been used in NJPW in the '70s, but with so many options now you wonder why he's there. I'm a big fan of Cobb's though. His work in Lucha Underground as Matanza Cueto was just fantastic. He's always been good in the ring, but his real life persona is boring without the gimmick.
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Posted: Thu May 26th, 2022 04:32 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2829th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Danhausen tweeted this, which I thought was pretty funny:
"Hello @therock ~ Danhausen here again (fellow famous Hollywood celebrity)
~ how does Danhausen become as very muscled, very evil as you in less than a week for his ppv debuthausen?"
I really hope The Rock responds.
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And managed to fit as many botches into their two minutes as they could. Great-O-Khan looks very rough around the edges.
O-Khan is awful, the type of gaijin heel who would've been used in NJPW in the '70s, but with so many options now you wonder why he's there. I'm a big fan of Cobb's though. His work in Lucha Underground as Matanza Cueto was just fantastic. He's always been good in the ring, but his real life persona is boring without the gimmick. O-khan comes off better in njpw matches, but not my cup of tea. The whole segment was pretty bad in my opinion. My wife asked if it was supposed to look like it did, and I said no, they just f’d a lot of stuff up. A roppigni/FTR rematch could work though.
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Posted: Thu May 26th, 2022 06:59 pm PM Quote Reply 2831st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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And managed to fit as many botches into their two minutes as they could. Great-O-Khan looks very rough around the edges.
O-Khan is awful, the type of gaijin heel who would've been used in NJPW in the '70s, but with so many options now you wonder why he's there. I'm a big fan of Cobb's though. His work in Lucha Underground as Matanza Cueto was just fantastic. He's always been good in the ring, but his real life persona is boring without the gimmick. O-khan comes off better in njpw matches, but not my cup of tea. The whole segment was pretty bad in my opinion. My wife asked if it was supposed to look like it did, and I said no, they just f’d a lot of stuff up. A roppigni/FTR rematch could work though.
That flub with the completely mis-timed double-team neckbreaker was awful. Completely exposing the business. Made Cobb look bad too, and it wasn't his fault at all. Given that this is the first cluster fuck no contest in AEW history, it made everyone look bad.
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Posted: Thu May 26th, 2022 07:25 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2832nd Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: NJPW’s Jeff Cobb and Great-O-Khan made a surprise appearance and laid out everyone during the ROH Tag title match between FTR and Roppongi Vice. And every spot they did was fucked up. Awful ending to a decent match. Last edited on Thu May 26th, 2022 07:26 pm by Jim_Irish
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: The main event with Joe v O'Reilly was good.
Not a great show but a few very good moments and matches.
On paper most of the PPV isn't of interest to me. Page-Punk and MJF-Wardlow are the only matches I care about. But AEW has good form on PPV's in the past so hopefully this one will follow that trend.
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Posted: Thu May 26th, 2022 08:51 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2834th Post One Fan Gang
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Posted: Thu May 26th, 2022 09:38 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2835th Post Jim_Irish
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Rampage had a Young Bucks squash where they entered to the Hardys music and dressed in their gear. They revealed Gangrel as their cornerman, and then Brandon Cut;ler came out to record the match as usual, only he dressed as Lita. Post-match the Bucks turned on Gangrel and were about to double kick him, when the Hardys came out and made the save. Gangrel recovered to give Cutler the Implant, and then celebrated with the Hardys.
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Rampage main event was the Owen semi-final women's bout between Ruby Soho and Kris Statlander. Great match with a number of false finishes, including Ruby kicking out at the very last moment of the "sure thing" move Kris uses. The crowd booed after Ruby got the win. Post-match they brought out Tony Schiavone to do an in-ring promo with Ruby but Britt Baker interrupted, carrying a mic. Baker never said anything because Soho cut her off and said she would pull out all the stops to win, noting how she had to battle her friend to get there, and acknowledged the crowd hating the result. Soho didn't seem to turn heel and Baker didn't do anything to go babyface. Sunday's match will likely answer the question of what directions each are headed. Statlander has been the one doing the more aggressive style and said pre-match with Mark Henry how her friends turned against her. That was Orange Cassidy and Best Friends, I thought...and I never saw that angle. It's a little bit confusing to me anyway.
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Posted: Sat May 28th, 2022 02:19 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2838th Post srossi
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Rampage had a Young Bucks squash where they entered to the Hardys music and dressed in their gear. They revealed Gangrel as their cornerman, and then Brandon Cut;ler came out to record the match as usual, only he dressed as Lita. Post-match the Bucks turned on Gangrel and were about to double kick him, when the Hardys came out and made the save. Gangrel recovered to give Cutler the Implant, and then celebrated with the Hardys.
The Matt Facts were a great tough too. It’s just a shame that one of the jobbers in the match was Taylor Rust, who deserves so much better after not being given a fair chance in NXT.
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Posted: Sat May 28th, 2022 10:07 am PM Quote Reply 2839th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Looks like the AEW crowd are going to instigate a feud between AEW originals and WWE rejects going on the reaction to the main event last night. If this continues, 3ven Britt Baker and MJF will struggle to stay heels. Great promo work by Ruby Soho for really leaning into those boos though.
I wonder who was supposed to appear last night that necessitated Jon Cruz to make an appearance. We haven't seen him since he was doing double duty back in the early pandemic Dark tapings.
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Posted: Sat May 28th, 2022 08:08 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2840th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: William Regal did an interview with a few interesting tidbits. He said just before NXT changed direction, he was about to sign Ricky Starks, Daniel Garcia, and Wheeler Yuta to contracts. Obviously they didn’t fit into 2.0 and he was told that was no longer an option, and then he was released.
He also mentioned that on TV days, he and Bryan Danielson travel to the building together and arrive by 11am, where they get into the ring and work with any young talent that wants it. They stay there until right before doors open and note who comes early to take advantage of the opportunity and who doesn’t. He said cell phones must be left in the locker room and aren’t allowed at ringside because they demand 100% focus.
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Posted: Sat May 28th, 2022 09:24 pm PM Quote Reply 2841st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: He also mentioned that on TV days, he and Bryan Danielson travel to the building together and arrive by 11am, where they get into the ring and work with any young talent that wants it. They stay there until right before doors open and note who comes early to take advantage of the opportunity and who doesn’t. He said cell phones must be left in the locker room and aren’t allowed at ringside because they demand 100% focus.
This was happening long before Regal ever joined AEW. There is loads of footage on Thunder Rosa's blog of her and Serena Deeb working out with the women before shows.
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Posted: Sun May 29th, 2022 05:25 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2843rd Post srossi
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Sean Ross confirmed that MJF was booked on a flight leaving Las Vegas tonight, but also warned that MJF is so good at blurring the line between work and shoot that he’s not 100% sure what’s going on.
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Posted: Sun May 29th, 2022 06:30 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2844th Post srossi
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We have heard from several readers that when he was slated to be at the AEW Fanfest this afternoon in Las Vegas, MJF was seen playing slots at Mandalay Bay instead.
For those who have asked us about reports, initiated at Fightful.com, that MJF has booked a flight out of Vegas for tonight (which would mean he wouldn't appear tomorrow), a source close to the situation confirmed to PWInsider.com that a red-eye flight to Newark, NJ has indeed been booked, but whether he gets on the flight or not remains to be seen.
Obviously, AEW and MJF have quite a bridge to cross before Double or Nothing.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Coming off of their appearance at DoN last night, Rancid is getting some press on the metal sites. Blabbermouth covered it and shared this quote about wrestling from Lars Frederickson:
Asked in a 2014 interview with Vice why he thinks so many punks are also wrestling fans, Lars said: "It's probably because it we all know who the other misfits are. I think it's the excitement. For me, I discovered it because, when I was punk and everyone was making fun of me, wrestling was where I could go to escape. I could watch nine hours of wrestling on a Saturday, you know? You could get the fucking WWF at 10 a.m., then what was next? AWA at noon, then you'd get the Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling from 1 to 3 p.m., then you'd get Georgia Championship Wrestling on TBS, and then, maybe if you're lucky, you'd get a Saturday Night's Main Event. Then, at 11 p.m., you'd get a Mid-South thing. So, I would just sit at home on a Saturday and absorb everything; that's where I saw The Freebirds and Ric Flair, and all those guys. I just loved it. I think you're absolutely right that there's strong correlation between punks and wrestling fans, but I don't know what exactly it is. Most punk rockers I know love wrestling."
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Posted: Mon May 30th, 2022 07:50 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2846th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: On Saturday night, Chuck Taylor, John Silver, and Sonny Kiss were invited on stage for the Limp Bizkit concert in Vegas. Taylor and Silver wrestled each other but Kiss stole the show by rapping with Fred Durst as they traded off lines on the song “Full Nelson”.
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The day after AEW debuts in Los Angeles, Jeff Hardy and Frankie Kazarian will take center stage at the world-famous Whisky A Go Go on Sunset Blvd in West Hollywood.
Frankie, with his band Gutter Candy, will open the evenings entertainment with a hard-hitting set of their uniquel brand of metal, followed by Jeff, as PeroxyWhy?Gen, in a special acoustic set.
With capacity of a mere 500, tickets are likely to go fast. <A HREF="http://www.whisyagogo.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.whisyagogo.comA>
Frankie and Jeff will both meet and greet fans after the show, signing autographs, memorabilia and taking photos.
This show is produced by Rick Bassman and Larger Than Life Management.
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Almost forgot about the happy couple. Attached Image (viewed 18 times):
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: CM Punk’s T-shirt choices are always interesting lately. Tonight it’s rocking The Cro-Mags for his World title celebration and that just makes me feel good to see them represented on national TV.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Anthony Bowens was acknowledged as gay on-air for the first time because it’s Pride Month, which is better than Tony Khan discussing his love of joshi for AAPI month (I think he missed the “American” in “Asian American”).
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Posted: Thu Jun 2nd, 2022 02:27 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2851st Post srossi
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Posted: Thu Jun 2nd, 2022 02:38 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2852nd Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: So they’re going with Punk vs. Tanahashi at Forbidden Door and he’s there line in L.A. A dream match for sure but more a match of two aging legends than the best in the world at the moment. So who gets Okada?
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Posted: Thu Jun 2nd, 2022 02:40 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2853rd Post krazykid18 The Prophet
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Posted: Thu Jun 2nd, 2022 02:46 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2854th Post krazykid18 The Prophet
Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: After that awful MJF promo, the best thing returns to AEW the Redeemer Miro
I swear i always will believe Miro got his gimmick from this Keele and Peele skit
<A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z-oJTZ1b5Q" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z-oJTZ1b5QA>
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: MJF: “Do you guys know who the 2nd biggest minute-for-minute draw is in this entire company? It’s me! And if you don’t believe me, ask Stat Boy Tony and see what he had to say. But whatever you do, don’t ask him to reach into his pockets and pay the man who’s been busting his ass for him since Day One. No, make sure he hoardes all that money so he can give it to all the new ex-WWE guys he keeps bringing in that can’t lace my god-damned boots!”
Yeah, he definitely already re-signed.
The promo ends with MJF begging Khan to fire him and yelling at a producer for counting him down and then repeatedly dropping f bombs to get bleeped as his mic gets cut and they abruptly cut to commercial.
Great segment, I just don’t like that they didn’t sell the Wardlow beating and went straight to shoot when the PPV was still work.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Miro is back to answer the open challenge of Johnny Elite. Strange that they brought in Johnny twice in a row just to do high-profile jobs and they don’t seem to have an interest in signing him, and there’s no point now.
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Posted: Thu Jun 2nd, 2022 03:06 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2857th Post krazykid18 The Prophet
Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: MJF: “Do you guys know who the 2nd biggest minute-for-minute draw is in this entire company? It’s me! And if you don’t believe me, ask Stat Boy Tony and see what he had to say. But whatever you do, don’t ask him to reach into his pockets and pay the man who’s been busting his ass for him since Day One. No, make sure he hoardes all that money so he can give it to all the new ex-WWE guys he keeps bringing in that can’t lace my god-damned boots!”
Yeah, he definitely already re-signed.
The promo ends with MJF begging Khan to fire him and yelling at a producer for counting him down and then repeatedly dropping f bombs to get bleeped as his mic gets cut and they abruptly cut to commercial.
Great segment, I just don’t like that they didn’t sell the Wardlow beating and went straight to shoot when the PPV was still work. How was that a great segment? it was a Russo level bullshit and then went into the Pipebomb bs mic cut nonsense after inflammatory statement is made, this would have had more substance if AEW wasn't so much on the smark and wink wink "wrestling is fake" tip that do every week whether thru promos or matches..
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Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Posts: 2619 Status: Offline Mana: AEW is like Oprah with Cars when it comes to people with belts...you get a title, you get a title, you get a title
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Yeah, he definitely already re-signed.
The promo ends with MJF begging Khan to fire him and yelling at a producer for counting him down and then repeatedly dropping f bombs to get bleeped as his mic gets cut and they abruptly cut to commercial.
Great segment, I just don’t like that they didn’t sell the Wardlow beating and went straight to shoot when the PPV was still work. How was that a great segment? it was a Russo level bullshit and then went into the Pipebomb bs mic cut nonsense after inflammatory statement is made, this would have had more substance if AEW wasn't so much on the smark and wink wink "wrestling is fake" tip that do every week whether thru promos or matches..
Maybe because it was a tremendous promo by the best promo in the business in 2022. Stop trying to be too cool for school. It was a fun segment. This coming from the guy who thinks Michael Cole almost in tears about Sasha Banks walking out is good business to promote a UK PPV with Doudrop. Lol
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Posted: Thu Jun 2nd, 2022 04:29 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2860th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Vince Vaughn, Macaulay Culkin, and Paul Walter Hauser among the celebs in attendance tonight in L.A., all of whom are regular WWE fans whenever they’re in town.
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Posted: Thu Jun 2nd, 2022 06:54 am PM Quote Reply 2861st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
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It's a bad look when your world champion is the weak link in a trios match. Vince has one thing right when he doesn't want his wrestlers to have grey hair. Punk doesn't look like a champion at the moment. He looked like shit and wrestled like shit last night. Very weak offence, although he did look like he injured his leg on that slip, so that might be it.
MJF's promo was awesome, even if he only gave lip service to selling his beating from Sunday. The promo worked so well because it came off like a shoot, but there was nothing in there that didn't break kayfabe. Tony Khan being the owner isn't a secret, and wrestlers do have contracts and get paid, even in kayfabe. I liked that the announcers didn't mention the promo after the break.
The next match proved MJF to be quite correct. Miro might be good a pre-taped promos, but he's not good at anything else. Not good enough for AEW, anyway. Such a basic wrestler, which is to be expected from a WWE PC graduate. I think he thinks he is the finished product, because I haven't seen any improvement in him (in-ring) since his peak in the tank at WM. Johnny Elite being used as a high-profile job guy is fine. I like that AEW bring in outsiders to do high profile jobs. It's better than using one of the roster, and it's nice to see a new face every now and again.
My lord, Swerve Scott is boring as hell on the mic. Sent me to sleep introducing all those nobodies backstage. Keith Lee needs to get as far away from this loser as he can, but looking at the T-shirt he was wearing, this seems to be a permanent team now. Stokely Hathaway and Keith Lee would make a great 2022 version of Bockwinkel and Heenan.
Awful WWE-style scripted promo from Athena. This is what they should be using the YouTube shows for. Make these PC graduates go out in the ring and cut a live promo with no script until they are good enough to do it live on TV. That whole segment was terrible. Looked like they all had no idea what they were doing or what they were supposed to be doing. All the referees and agents coming out looked daft because there was nothing to break up. Last edited on Thu Jun 2nd, 2022 08:49 am by Kriss
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Posted: Thu Jun 2nd, 2022 02:43 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2862nd Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Thoughts:
It's a bad look when your world champion is the weak link in a trios match. Vince has one thing right when he doesn't want his wrestlers to have grey hair. Punk doesn't look like a champion at the moment. He looked like shit and wrestled like shit last night. Very weak offence, although he did look like he injured his leg on that slip, so that might be it.
MJF's promo was awesome, even if he only gave lip service to selling his beating from Sunday. The promo worked so well because it came off like a shoot, but there was nothing in there that didn't break kayfabe. Tony Khan being the owner isn't a secret, and wrestlers do have contracts and get paid, even in kayfabe. I liked that the announcers didn't mention the promo after the break.
The next match proved MJF to be quite correct. Miro might be good a pre-taped promos, but he's not good at anything else. Not good enough for AEW, anyway. Such a basic wrestler, which is to be expected from a WWE PC graduate. I think he thinks he is the finished product, because I haven't seen any improvement in him (in-ring) since his peak in the tank at WM. Johnny Elite being used as a high-profile job guy is fine. I like that AEW bring in outsiders to do high profile jobs. It's better than using one of the roster, and it's nice to see a new face every now and again.
My lord, Swerve Scott is boring as hell on the mic. Sent me to sleep introducing all those nobodies backstage. Keith Lee needs to get as far away from this loser as he can, but looking at the T-shirt he was wearing, this seems to be a permanent team now. Stokely Hathaway and Keith Lee would make a great 2022 version of Bockwinkel and Heenan.
Awful WWE-style scripted promo from Athena. This is what they should be using the YouTube shows for. Make these PC graduates go out in the ring and cut a live promo with no script until they are good enough to do it live on TV. That whole segment was terrible. Looked like they all had no idea what they were doing or what they were supposed to be doing. All the referees and agents coming out looked daft because there was nothing to break up.
It's funny what you said about Miro shortly after commenting on Punk. The one thing no one can doubt with Punk is that he cares. He knew that match sucked (at least his part) and he was visibly furious with himself. As soon as he got the mic he basically said that he needs to keep improving, which fit the bigger picture but I think was an ad-lib based on his botches since he basically talks off the cuff. I think he's old school enough to still think along the lines of the champion carrying the company like Bruno and Hogan, and he wants to up his game from where it's been. WHether he can do it or not at his age after such a long lay-off is a different story. Whereas Miro and the PC grads think they're good and if there's a botch they just have to memorize the moves better.
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Posted: Thu Jun 2nd, 2022 02:48 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2863rd Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Live reports from last night say that after they abruptly cut to commercial during MJF's promo, CM Punk was sent to the ring to chase him away. That was a nice touch for the live crowd to have your new champion (and someone who MJF formerly feuded with) do that. In another era, they could've sent their "policeman" or shooter to the ring to do that, but I don't even know who that would be in AEW right now. The last guy used in that role was basically Ron Simmons 15 years ago, so that's a lost art.
The announcers played it like a shoot in that they simply never mentioned MJF again, like they were told by Tony Khan not to put it over. The whole thing was fantastic.
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Posted: Thu Jun 2nd, 2022 04:41 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2864th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: So they’re going with Punk vs. Tanahashi at Forbidden Door and he’s there line in L.A. A dream match for sure but more a match of two aging legends than the best in the world at the moment. So who gets Okada?
Meltzer says it’s going to be Okada vs. Adam Page, which will be set up next week.
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There is something comforting in the way it's MJF if he wears the Burberry scarf, but when he takes it off, he's Max Friedman. It's like an invisible skin, such that when he rails against management, it's the same unfiltered presentation, as if to say the "real" guy is what you get 24/7 anyway.
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Posted: Fri Jun 3rd, 2022 12:06 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2866th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: MJF: “Do you guys know who the 2nd biggest minute-for-minute draw is in this entire company? It’s me! And if you don’t believe me, ask Stat Boy Tony and see what he had to say. But whatever you do, don’t ask him to reach into his pockets and pay the man who’s been busting his ass for him since Day One. No, make sure he hoardes all that money so he can give it to all the new ex-WWE guys he keeps bringing in that can’t lace my god-damned boots!”
Yeah, he definitely already re-signed.
The promo ends with MJF begging Khan to fire him and yelling at a producer for counting him down and then repeatedly dropping f bombs to get bleeped as his mic gets cut and they abruptly cut to commercial.
Great segment, I just don’t like that they didn’t sell the Wardlow beating and went straight to shoot when the PPV was still work. Same as you but I also thought it got a bit too 'shoot' in a couple of places, like talking about not being wreckless, not dropping people on heads, etc. But he's so fuckin good it doesn't matter much, it's great stuff.
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Posted: Fri Jun 3rd, 2022 12:13 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2867th Post Jim_Irish
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I agreed with Kriss, that Swerve segment was awful. I actually like him but that was the shits.
First match was OK but a little disappointing considering who was involved. Punk did look to have maybe hurt his leg on the rope slip, as Kriss mentioned too.
I don't know Athena and I think she has some natural charisma but that bit wasn't great.
I didn't watch the ten man tag. The women's tag was good and Hayter is becoming my favourite of the women's wrestlers.
I don't know what a Blood and Guts match is,even after watching the show.
I liked the main event, and I must say I've actually liked a few Moxley matches since he came back. It's one of the first times I've paid attention to Garcia as a singles wrestler and I thought he looked GREAT.
Last thought, and it's not the first time I've said it, it won't be the last, and I don't like saying it because I used to love him: JR is awful.
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Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: William Regal debuted a podcast titled "Gentleman Villain" with Matt Koon as the moderator/facilitator.
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Aside from Regal's mic setup being in the same room with his many lizards, and their occasional hissing that might detract from a few points in time, it's a very measured forum for Regal to take his time and illustrate the points in his life and career that deserve a detailed response. Not everyone will like it stylistically. I heard about it listening to a clip of the Disco Inferno podcast where he dismissed it and Matt Koon as a host without hearing it first. Episode #1 runs close to two hours but I was along for the ride, and will be checking in regularly.
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Posted: Fri Jun 3rd, 2022 04:05 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2871st Post BitterOldMan
Joined: Thu Jun 30th, 2016 Location: Chicago, Illinois USA Posts: 1134 Status: Offline Mana: Jim Cornette should get a writing credit for Friedman's promo, he mentioned so many topics such as chasing star ratings and being properly trained to not drop guys on their head that I bet Jim got a stiffy when he listened to it.
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Posted: Fri Jun 3rd, 2022 08:12 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2872nd Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I doubt Cornette would like a promo where a wrestler breaks kayfabe like that, specifically about dropping people on their heads.
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Posted: Fri Jun 3rd, 2022 05:54 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2873rd Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I doubt Cornette would like a promo where a wrestler breaks kayfabe like that, specifically about dropping people on their heads.
99% of it could've easily been a kayfabe promo, except that part I suppose. But there was no "breaking character" with anything else he said really. If wrestling was real, that promo could've still been cut. You could even justify that in a real wrestling match you only want to win and not paralyze someone.
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Posted: Fri Jun 3rd, 2022 06:13 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2874th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: AEW has stopped following MJF on social media, which is a nice touch. They also have never uploaded the promo to any of their platforms or mentioned it in any way, selling that it was unauthorized. That’s making it more popular than ever for fans who didn’t see it live and are trying to track it down. Great way to generate buzz in this day and age is limit access when everything else is everywhere.
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Posted: Fri Jun 3rd, 2022 08:26 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2875th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: I doubt Cornette would like a promo where a wrestler breaks kayfabe like that, specifically about dropping people on their heads.
99% of it could've easily been a kayfabe promo, except that part I suppose. But there was no "breaking character" with anything else he said really. If wrestling was real, that promo could've still been cut. You could even justify that in a real wrestling match you only want to win and not paralyze someone.
You could but it's at least a little too close to the line for my liking. It's not as bad but it's sort of like nearly every other wrestler talking about wanting to put on great matches (as opposed to winning matches). And MFJ does use a piledriver doesn't he, which the kayfabe point of the move it to drop the guy on his head. Anyway, it's a small thing and it didn't really take away. He is the best young star in wrestling, he's got EVERYTHING and he's normally the highlight of the show (as he mentioned in his promo) . I watched the first aew PPV a few years ago when Bret Hart brought out the new belt and I'd never heard of MJF. He immediately impressed me hugely and continues to virtually every time I see him.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: AEW has stopped following MJF on social media, which is a nice touch. They also have never uploaded the promo to any of their platforms or mentioned it in any way, selling that it was unauthorized. That’s making it more popular than ever for fans who didn’t see it live and are trying to track it down. Great way to generate buzz in this day and age is limit access when everything else is everywhere. Pretty good stuff.
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Posted: Fri Jun 3rd, 2022 11:13 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2878th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote:
TMZ reports that Sammy Guevara has proposed to Tay Conti in front of the Eiffel Tower. No word if he spun his finger around his temple beforehand.
Guevara is an expert at proposals, not so good after that.
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Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 12:13 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2879th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Meltzer is reporting that the MJF segment went way long as the mic was supposed to be cut at around 5 minutes and wasn’t until after 9 minutes. MJF clearly didn’t miss a beat and had plenty of material to work with. Meltzer says a concern though is that he was cheered, especially when bashing the ex-WWE guys, which makes the promotion look uncool and brings back memories of AEW booking themselves as WCW and MJF as the NWO, which was not the intent. Khan was expecting more of a heel reaction for him.
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Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 01:03 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2880th Post kargol
Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: Yeah, he needs to go Rob Van Dam on AEW, demanding his release to go to Raw or whatever. AEW will cheer "our" guys over the random WWE fodder - it takes a Danielson to get above that.
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Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 06:05 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2881st Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: So Punk got injured in that 6-man tag, which might’ve been why he was so mad moreso than the botch. He cut a confusing promo tonight where it seemed like he vacated the title but he never said that. Then Jericho said on commentary that he had to relinquish the belt, which sounded like a note from Tony Khan since Punk didn’t make it clear. But Bryan Alvarez tweeted that Punk did NOT relinquish the title and wil hold it while injured. So I have no idea. This is the downside of an unscripted promo I guess.
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Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 06:17 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2882nd Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: So they’ve finally clarified and there will be an interim champion crowned. Jon Moxley as #1 contender will face the winner of a battle royal to crown a new champion.
Presumably the Forbidden Door match with Tanahashi is now off and the interim champion will take that spot too.
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Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 07:10 am PM Quote Reply 2883rd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: So they’ve finally clarified and there will be an interim champion crowned. Jon Moxley as #1 contender will face the winner of a battle royal to crown a new champion.
Presumably the Forbidden Door match with Tanahashi is now off and the interim champion will take that spot too.
The match to crown the champion is going to be n the PPV.
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Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 07:42 am PM Quote Reply 2884th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: That tag match that opened Rampage was perfection for me. That's the kind of match I like to watch, and this was the best two teams in the world doing what they do. The commentary was fantastic too. Five stars, seven stars, 10/10, whatever you want.
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Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 11:09 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2885th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: So they’ve finally clarified and there will be an interim champion crowned. Jon Moxley as #1 contender will face the winner of a battle royal to crown a new champion.
Presumably the Forbidden Door match with Tanahashi is now off and the interim champion will take that spot too.
Another thing that should be very easy to clearly explain. They can't seem to get some very simple things right, like the overly convoluted Owen Hart tournaments. They did the interim champion thing with the TNT title when the champion was going he to put for two weeks. I wonder how long Punk will be out for.
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Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 11:52 am PM Quote Reply 2886th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Seems that the title situation was very last minute and that the announce team didn't know what Punk was going to say, leading to punk not explaining it very well (although in kayfabe what he said was fine) and then the announcers mis-understanding what the deal is leading to a lot of confusion.
At the moment, Jon Moxley as the number one contender will face the winner of a battle royal (held on Dynamite) in a match for interim championship (held at Forbidden Door.) It's a weird situation, since Wardlow was the number one contender on the weekly rankings that came out on June 1. Then AEW published an extra rankings dated June 3 with Moxley moving up from number 4 to number 1, with this list clearly only uploaded to explain why Wardlow isn't the number contender. Makes zero sense in kayfabe since Moxley has only been wrestling tags recently. If Wardlow wins the battle royal, then everything is good in the world.
This always seems to happen in AEW when plans have to change quickly. Tony Khan is very good at long term booking, it's usually so tight that that when he has to plan stuff on the fly, you can see the gaps in the logic (gaps that WWE writers wouldn't think twice about.) Last edited on Sat Jun 4th, 2022 12:22 pm by Kriss
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Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 12:02 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2887th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I think you're right on all of that but the bottom line is that they have rushed something for no reason. There's no reason to decide all this at the last minute and to not have the announcers clued in.
Either way it's a pity that Punk is hurt and the momentum is gone. He'll get it back but it's still a big shame. I think we both said he looked like he hurt himself with the slip off of the rope on Dynamite. Let's hope he'll be able to make a full comeback.
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How about a mid south style angle with 3 or 4 contenders vying for a shot and somehow punk getting cracked open or something.
Like a flair dibiase murdoch reed angle with punk as champ getting hurt instead of dibiase as contender getting hurt.
The lack of ability to book anything meaningful anymore baffles me.
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Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 03:06 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2889th Post Jim_Irish
Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/11.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu11')">Quattroa> wrote: They cannot creatively book around this?
How about a mid south style angle with 3 or 4 contenders vying for a shot and somehow punk getting cracked open or something.
Like a flair dibiase murdoch reed angle with punk as champ getting hurt instead of dibiase as contender getting hurt.
The lack of ability to book anything meaningful anymore baffles me. It was rushed, it was confusing and now it's overly convoluted (again) in my opinion. As Kriss said Tony's mentality around short term planning or quick changes to plans is pretty bad. I genuinely think anyone on this board could have planned last night's announcement far better. In fact I don't think it could have been much worse.
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Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 04:49 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2890th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Honestly this could’ve all waited until after Forbidden Door. Focus on NJPW right now. Book some dream matches that are one-offs and not part of the continuity of the angles in AEW. Buy yourself some time. They even could’ve just had the battle royal to determine who would face Tanahashi instead of Punk. There’s no reason to panic and make a decision in 2 days, especially when that decision isn’t a very logical one. Take a deep breath and sell the PPV on deck.
And whoever’s fault it is, Khan needs to give the bullet point “interim champion” and Punk needs to hit it. This is like in the ‘80s if the guys all gathered to cut the market-specific promos and never mentioning the markets. Say whatever you want, but hit the one bullet point that’s the point of the promo. Stuff like this opens them up to so much criticism that seems easy to avoid to me.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Spot on. This should be easy to do. There was no need to rush it. Whenever you're going to do it ALL you need to get over first is that Punk is hurt, he's coming back but we're going to have an interim champion. They couldn't even do that. And that's all before this convuluted thing they announce during the most action packed part of a live match.
It's really hard to see how they could've done much worse than they did.
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I would be all for them not trying to clarify shit within seconds. Fans don't need any answers immediately and aren't owed any explanation. Create some buzz through non-action for a change. The media can be the voice of the interested by asking for answers, but that doesn't mean they have to be answered. Jim Crockett appeared with the vacated Mid-Atlantic belt on TBS and said "we'll announce the status of this title at some point in the future" and then buried it next to Nicky Santoro in the cornfield. Since modern fans are conditioned to want to be outraged about every decision all the time, make em wait.
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Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 09:43 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2893rd Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: AEW has complicated matters more. Now Moxley vs. the battle royal winner to take place in 2 weeks and Tanahashi vs. Goto will happen in Japan. The winners of those matches will face each other at Forbidden Door for the interim AEW championship.
This is all way too much for an interpromotional PPV that doesn’t need a title on the line. It’s WWE thinking to say that it does. I’d actually rather not have titles in the line because it makes the booking less predictable.
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Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: It's worse than WWE. I think WWE is dogshit for the most part but this thing has multiple layers of shit. Last edited on Sat Jun 4th, 2022 10:10 pm by Jim_Irish
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Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: It's worse than WWE. I think WWE is dogshit for the most part but this thing has multiple layers of shit.
Well, at least it's not a reverse battle royal.
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Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 10:33 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2896th Post Jim_Irish
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Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 10:57 pm PM Quote Reply 2897th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: True. 🤣 Did the WWE do that? Or was it TNA?
That was a TNA classic.
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Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 11:26 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2898th Post srossi
Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: True. 🤣 Did the WWE do that? Or was it TNA?
That was a TNA classic.
Now I want to see a new champion crowned in an AEW vs. NJPW King of the Mountain match. Minoru Suzuki is definitely going to the penalty box.
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Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tony Khan has attempted to explain why Moxley is #1 contender based on records. He tweeted that Moxley and Anthony Ogogo are the only 2 who have 7 or more singles matches and are undefeated in 2022, and obviously Moxley is ahead of Ogogo based on quality of opposition. I honestly had no idea Ogogo was even still around after that Cody Rhodes feud but I guess they’re feeding jobbers to him on Dark. So if you’re looking for logic there is an at attempt at some, which I appreciate, but it also shows you that records really don’t work in wrestling because any way you slice it Moxley has been a tag wrestler lately and not part of the World title scene.
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Posted: Sun Jun 5th, 2022 11:08 pm PM Quote Reply 2900th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere
Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: They even fucked this up. According to this, the winner if the match at Forbidden Door will face Punk when he is fit That just makes this a number one contender series. Surely the interim champion had to defend the title, and could lose it, before Punk returns. Attached Image (viewed 114 times):
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Posted: Mon Jun 6th, 2022 11:18 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2901st Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Tony Khan has attempted to explain why Moxley is #1 contender based on records. He tweeted that Moxley and Anthony Ogogo are the only 2 who have 7 or more singles matches and are undefeated in 2022, and obviously Moxley is ahead of Ogogo based on quality of opposition. I honestly had no idea Ogogo was even still around after that Cody Rhodes feud but I guess they’re feeding jobbers to him on Dark. So if you’re looking for logic there is an at attempt at some, which I appreciate, but it also shows you that records really don’t work in wrestling because any way you slice it Moxley has been a tag wrestler lately and not part of the World title scene. And if you use that logic and Ogogo is still in the picture why not just have Ogogo wrestle Moxley? Or don't even mention Ogogo (because he's nor really in the picture) and have Moxley wrestle Page, who was the champion for the last 8 months or so? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Jun 6th, 2022 11:21 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2902nd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: They even fucked this up. According to this, the winner if the match at Forbidden Door will face Punk when he is fit That just makes this a number one contender series. Surely the interim champion had to defend the title, and could lose it, before Punk returns. Jesus christ. I'll go back to what I said earlier. This should be easy to explain. This is nearly making me stop watching the show, it's so fucking stupid. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Jun 7th, 2022 04:42 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2903rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Hiroshi Tanahashi gave an interview to Tokyo Sports expressing his disappointment over not being able to wrestle Punk at Forbidden Door and challenged him to a match at Wrestle Kingdom to make up for it. Whether this is actually a possibility or just something Tanahashi ad-libbed remains to be seen, but that would be huge for NJPW. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Jun 8th, 2022 05:58 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2904th Post Franchise Low key big hog Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Ohio , USA Posts: 6045 Status: Offline Mana: Why is having an interim champion a thing? If he cant defend the belt strip him and have him “win” it back when he can return. ____________________ Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 9th, 2022 02:41 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2905th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: The 6/8 edition of Dynamite opens with the 21 Man Casino Royale battle royal for the chance to face Jon Moxley later tonight. Very random order of entry, including one shot clock countdown that led to zero entries at that point because there were a few eliminations that hadn't happened yet. Eddie Kingston and Daniel Garcia fought on the apron and got knocked off within a few seconds of each other but they seemed to have only gone through the ropes. They both left without incident, though. In the end Kyle O'Reilly eliminated Wheeler Yuta for the spot vs. Moxley. Last edited on Thu Jun 9th, 2022 02:48 am by One Fan Gang Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 9th, 2022 02:55 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2906th Post bpickering HALL OF FAMER Joined: Tue Nov 13th, 2007 Location: Highspire, Pennsylvania USA Posts: 20180 Status: Online Mana: #AEW proudly presents All-Atlantic Championship, a new Title that represents the AEW Fans watching around the world in over 130 countries! ____________________ "22 years of my fucking life just got fucking ruined!!!!"---Fan outside Wrestlemania XXX PRO WRESTLING HALL OF FAME: www.angelfire.com/pa5/old (updated September 2 2018) RIP UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 1776-2016 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 9th, 2022 09:59 am PM Quote Reply 2907th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Last night's show will likely be very divisive. The wrestling was absolutely top notch and the booking was fine, but probably won't please all the armchair boomers who could have done much better. If you are a champion for the mythical casual fan, then I'm sure you hated it because no one knows who Dave Finlay or Will Ospreay are unless they watch New Japn. If Jim rates this show any higher than dogshite, I'll be shocked. They do need to get more people more promo practice though. They should be doing this lot more on the YouTube shows. I think Tent might have peed himself in the ring by himself last night. The very top guys didn't become good at talking by accident, and for a lot of the AEW guys it seems like something they aren't comfortable with and don't want to do. Get some acting lessons and go to improv classes. No excuse for Marina Shafir to be so wooden when she only had three words to deliver. I really don't like over-analysing AEW. I watch every show and I enjoy them all. No era of wrestling could get universal pass marks from the current fan base. Jon Moxley needs to do the best work of his career right now, though, with Omega, Punk and Danielson all on the injured list. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 9th, 2022 03:44 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2908th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Last night's show will likely be very divisive. The wrestling was absolutely top notch and the booking was fine, but probably won't please all the armchair boomers who could have done much better. If you are a champion for the mythical casual fan, then I'm sure you hated it because no one knows who Dave Finlay or Will Ospreay are unless they watch New Japn. If Jim rates this show any higher than dogshite, I'll be shocked. No one watching that show shuld need Will Ospreay explained to them. But Aussie Open is another story. I've heard of them, but them jumping people in the ring with no explanation even made me go, "Who the fuck are these guys?" The fans always seem to pop though, even when Cornette claimed no one has any idea who Danhausen is and 15,000 people were chanting his name. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 01:08 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2909th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Last night's show will likely be very divisive. The wrestling was absolutely top notch and the booking was fine, but probably won't please all the armchair boomers who could have done much better. If you are a champion for the mythical casual fan, then I'm sure you hated it because no one knows who Dave Finlay or Will Ospreay are unless they watch New Japn. If Jim rates this show any higher than dogshite, I'll be shocked. They do need to get more people more promo practice though. They should be doing this lot more on the YouTube shows. I think Tent might have peed himself in the ring by himself last night. The very top guys didn't become good at talking by accident, and for a lot of the AEW guys it seems like something they aren't comfortable with and don't want to do. Get some acting lessons and go to improv classes. No excuse for Marina Shafir to be so wooden when she only had three words to deliver. I really don't like over-analysing AEW. I watch every show and I enjoy them all. No era of wrestling could get universal pass marks from the current fan base. Jon Moxley needs to do the best work of his career right now, though, with Omega, Punk and Danielson all on the injured list. Just watched the show (skipped the women's match). Without going into detail now I agree with you that the wrestling very good. I disagree about most of the booking, I think the booking is all over the place most of the time and the shows are often really disjointed or tonally going crazy or something. I'm not sure how to describe it now. As for the not knowing who Ospreay and so on are: I've watched every episode of Dynamite and Rampage that's aired for about a year now. So I'm an AEW fan. I have heard of Ospreay and know he's a big deal. They've established that they are working with New Japan, and have a big show coming up. They did a reasonable job with a few lines on Finlay. But they had two guys interfere in the tag match a few weeks ago (and botch the living shit out of it), they reference that tonight (that they were Ospreay's 'bitches') then Ospreay comes out and then 3 other different Ospreay guys come out and attack. I think that's too much to assume everyone knows who all these people are. I'm sure a lot (nearly all?) of those in the arena do know. But assuming the TV audience does, and trying to grow a TV audience assuming everyone knows every wrestler in the world, seems crazy to me. Agree with you on the promos, and I don't like most of these wwe style backstage skits, that's not helping promos, it's teaching people to 'act' and most of them are bad at it. Anyway, I won't say the show was dogshit, the matches were pretty much all good to very good. The booking was OK to bad, in my eyes. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 05:29 am PM Quote Reply 2910th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I think Tony Khan had pretty much said that everyone is happy with their numbers, and they will keep booking for the hardcore fans rather than going for the mythical casual fan and risk losing their core audience. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 07:15 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2911th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: OK, I didn't know that. I do think it would not take much to improve the issue I have with it. And I think you can do that without alienating hardcore fans. But if he's happy that he wants an audience of people who already know every wrestler that's fair enough. I think the 'casual fan' term is ripe for misuse. I watch almost no other wrestling aside from Dynamite and Rampage. Am I alone? Am I a casual fan? I don't know. What's the risk of a fan like me leaving the AEW audience, assuming there are other fans like me. Leaving aside my gripe with assuming the audience knows who everyone from Japan is. My bigger gripe is how bad some of the storytelling is. And I don't think is a hardcore fan thing. I think it's basic mistakes time and time again. A couple of recent examples include the convoluted Owen Hart tournaments, belts and cup, and the botched explanation of Punk's injury and the subsequent title and interim title plans. Would explaining simple things more clearly alienate hardcore fans? I don't believe so. Do all their current audience follow everything that's going on on the Internet (news sites, twitter, YouTube Dark, etc)? Even if they do, does it not make sense to make each show more coherent through basic storytelling and not leaving huge gaps? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 09:53 am PM Quote Reply 2912th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I wouldn't say you are a casual fan. You have enough investment in the product to come here and post about it. I'd say a casual fan puts no effort into their fandom. If you are actively seeking out extra information you are above that, but there's no real name for that. The hardcore fans already (think they) known everything already. Raw probably has casual fans who throw it on in the background every Monday with the sound off or use it as something to fall asleep to. The problem wrestling has is that there isn't really anywhere to get casual fans from. Casual wrestling fans watch WWE, they don't need any more. A superhero (or fantasy, sci-fi, anything "nerdy") TV show can tap into the many, many casual TV fans, but wrestling is pretty unique and you either like it or you don't. It's not similar enough to anything to be able to attract their viewers in any meaningful numbers. For what it's worth, I think AEW are going the right way about it. Give the fans a consistent story, so that there is lore for people to go back to, and setting itself within the greater world of pro wrestling. Nerdy fans, like me, love to do deep dives into characters and stories. I didn't do a Cornette rant at my TV because Aussie Open debuted without any explanation, I went to Google. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 03:30 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2913th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I think I agree with you about the casual fan now, with that explanation. I guess plenty of people like the element of googling people to find out who's who or what's going on, or what the back story is that they hardly ever explain on the show. I'm not a casual fan but I have no interest in doing that for stuff I think is basic enough and crucial to the story. But I guess it's each to their own. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 07:44 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2914th Post Infamous 必 勝 Joined: Mon Oct 25th, 2010 Location: Slums Of Shaolin Posts: 2829 Status: Offline Mana: I saw very little of Tatsumi Fujinami prior to his Super Brawl ‘91 match with Ric Flair but I knew the name. I expected WCW to at least sort of tell the story of what happened in Japan that I need to see this guy as a somebody. And they did. These are exotic shows that sort of need to be presented that way Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 07:45 pm PM Quote Reply 2915th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/323.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu323')">Infamousa> wrote: I saw very little of Tatsumi Fujinami prior to his Super Brawl ‘91 match with Ric Flair but I knew the name. I expected WCW to at least sort of tell the story of what happened in Japan that I need to see this guy as a somebody. And they did. These are exotic shows that sort of need to be presented that way We have the internet now, though. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 10:50 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2916th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/323.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu323')">Infamousa> wrote: I saw very little of Tatsumi Fujinami prior to his Super Brawl ‘91 match with Ric Flair but I knew the name. I expected WCW to at least sort of tell the story of what happened in Japan that I need to see this guy as a somebody. And they did. These are exotic shows that sort of need to be presented that way We have the internet now, though. The internet does not convey how the wrestler is perceived by his home crowd, nor does it show you the quality of match they can have. To back up Infamous on this, when Fujinami wrestled Flair in '91, my last exposure to him was as the WWF Light Heavyweight Champion, and had read about him in the Apter mags. I know the era that we live in is different now, so there should be no reason why Tony Khan cannot play some sort of video package to make it work for HIS audience. I'm sure that in this day and age, most people that watch AEW have seen the Japanese stars, because the typical AEW fan is generally more plugged in than a WWE fan is. At the same time, I would appreciate seeing some footage that makes me think that we are getting an ultra competitive match coming our way. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 11:26 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2917th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/323.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu323')">Infamousa> wrote: I saw very little of Tatsumi Fujinami prior to his Super Brawl ‘91 match with Ric Flair but I knew the name. I expected WCW to at least sort of tell the story of what happened in Japan that I need to see this guy as a somebody. And they did. These are exotic shows that sort of need to be presented that way We have the internet now, though. If you're trying to sell someone a used car, you don't just say, "Fuck off, you can Google it." They absolutely need to do a better job of explaining some stuff even to diehard fans. You don't need to spend an hour putting over Okada, but if you're going to bring in Aussie Open and Great-O-Khan then yeah, you need to do at least the bear minimum or it will absolutely turn viewers off. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jun 11th, 2022 06:46 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2918th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: After all that, they job Ospreay and Aussie Open to Trent Barretta (who I don’t think ever beats anyone) and FTR on Rampage. Makes no sense to me. You just said they were the best singles and tag team wrestlers in the world 2 days ago, and now they’re 0-1 before most of the audience figured out who they were. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jun 11th, 2022 12:52 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2919th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/323.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu323')">Infamousa> wrote: I saw very little of Tatsumi Fujinami prior to his Super Brawl ‘91 match with Ric Flair but I knew the name. I expected WCW to at least sort of tell the story of what happened in Japan that I need to see this guy as a somebody. And they did. These are exotic shows that sort of need to be presented that way We have the internet now, though. We sure do. We had books and magazines back then. Internet is certainly easier. But it's the same principle. It's about storytelling. If you actively want your audience to have to go look up stuff online to know what's going on that is fair enough. And there's a hardcore audience that likes that. I find it jarring, I find it ruins the show. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jun 11th, 2022 12:55 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2920th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: After all that, they job Ospreay and Aussie Open to Trent Barretta (who I don’t think ever beats anyone) and FTR on Rampage. Makes no sense to me. You just said they were the best singles and tag team wrestlers in the world 2 days ago, and now they’re 0-1 before most of the audience figured out who they were. Awful, AWFUL, booking. As Kriss said, the wrestling is very good. The show is genuinely etting worse. The booking is atrocious. There's too much going on and the timing and pace is off in nearly everything, as far as I'm concerned. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jun 11th, 2022 12:57 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2921st Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/323.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu323')">Infamousa> wrote: I saw very little of Tatsumi Fujinami prior to his Super Brawl ‘91 match with Ric Flair but I knew the name. I expected WCW to at least sort of tell the story of what happened in Japan that I need to see this guy as a somebody. And they did. These are exotic shows that sort of need to be presented that way We have the internet now, though. If you're trying to sell someone a used car, you don't just say, "Fuck off, you can Google it." They absolutely need to do a better job of explaining some stuff even to diehard fans. You don't need to spend an hour putting over Okada, but if you're going to bring in Aussie Open and Great-O-Khan then yeah, you need to do at least the bear minimum or it will absolutely turn viewers off. Yes! And it's not with an extra half hour of exposition. But they need a little bit. It's getting close with me, the good stuff is very good but the bad stuff is annoying me more and more. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jun 11th, 2022 03:24 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2922nd Post khawk Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 19680 Status: Offline Mana: You won’t quit watching, Jim, even though you threaten it regularly. ____________________ "It never hurts to use plain language when people are fucking stupid."--gwlee "wrestling fans need to start taking showers it makes no sense to smell the way they smell"--kk18 "Lard is a food group in Arkansas."-Raditch Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jun 11th, 2022 05:54 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2923rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: After all that, they job Ospreay and Aussie Open to Trent Barretta (who I don’t think ever beats anyone) and FTR on Rampage. Makes no sense to me. You just said they were the best singles and tag team wrestlers in the world 2 days ago, and now they’re 0-1 before most of the audience figured out who they were. Awful, AWFUL, booking. As Kriss said, the wrestling is very good. The show is genuinely etting worse. The booking is atrocious. There's too much going on and the timing and pace is off in nearly everything, as far as I'm concerned. Some of the long-term booking is exceptional for the same reasons the short-term booking isn’t. I like that Khan can do subtle stuff that pays off months later and makes you feel like you’re watching “Breaking Bad” and actually have to pay attention to story-telling. But that’s all contained in the show. Some of the short-term booking involving guys barely introduced or not introduced at all makes no sense to me. There’s some stuff that is a breath of fresh air compared to WWE’s stale booking, and then there’s some stuff that seems to be the opposite of WWE just for the sake of it. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jun 11th, 2022 06:22 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2924th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/14.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu14')">khawka> wrote: You won’t quit watching, Jim, even though you threaten it regularly. Have I threatened it regularly? I know I've mentioned it in recent days. And you might be right, by the way. I'm invested in it and I got a friend interested too and he's watching it so that's another factor to keep me watching. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jun 11th, 2022 10:50 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2925th Post khawk Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 19680 Status: Offline Mana: It’s too hard to quit without one mind blowing angle that takes your sense of why you’re watching it away. Think undertaker-papa Shan go voodoo angle. That made me turn it off for a bunch of years. If they do something not just stupid but senses-altering, maybe, but. I don’t know what would even qualify as something like that these days with all the bizarreness I read about here and other places regular things. ____________________ "It never hurts to use plain language when people are fucking stupid."--gwlee "wrestling fans need to start taking showers it makes no sense to smell the way they smell"--kk18 "Lard is a food group in Arkansas."-Raditch Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Jun 12th, 2022 06:43 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2926th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tanahashi beat Goto in Japan to officially make the match everyone knew was already going to happen. It's Moxley vs. Tanahashi at Forbidden Door for the interim AEW World title. I've never seen a more convoluted way to get to the match everyone was expecting for a title that is only kinda sorta on the line. In the meantime, Jay White beat Okada for the IWGP World title so I have no idea what these companies are doing. We may wind up with White vs. Adam Page now at Forbidden Door. 2 weeks until the PPV and it seems like a mess to me even if you're a mega-hardcore fan, so I don't see how anyone else could be interested at this point. There's basically no matches announced that haven't already changed 8 times. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Jun 13th, 2022 04:41 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2927th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Andrade has revealed that he’s forbidden from working Forbidden Door because he has a AAA contract and CMLL and NJPW have a working agreement. Konnan has blamed it on CMLL saying they don’t want him on the show and it’s not AAA’s fault. Ridiculous Lucha politics. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Tue Jun 14th, 2022 11:45 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2928th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Thunder Rosa has been complaining about her spot on the card for many weeks now, thinking that the AEW Women’s title isn’t being given the respect it deserves. Now there’s reports that her attitude is carrying over into the ring and she’s not selling and sandbagging opponents. This seemed very apparent in her match against Marina Shafir, with the match being very awkward. This was initially blamed on Shafir’s inexperience, but it does appear that Rosa sandbags her on a simple suplex attempt that Shafir eventually got on the second try. Other women in the locker room have come to Shafir’s defense and have blamed Rosa for the poor match, as well as doing this with others in recent weeks. Either way, Rosa has heat with the other AEW women. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Jun 15th, 2022 12:05 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2929th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Not saying she is right to be fucking around in the ring but she does have something of a point. Jade Cargill and the TBS title does seem to be much more prominent. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Jun 15th, 2022 02:50 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2930th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Thunder Rosa has been complaining about her spot on the card for many weeks now, thinking that the AEW Women’s title isn’t being given the respect it deserves. Now there’s reports that her attitude is carrying over into the ring and she’s not selling and sandbagging opponents. This seemed very apparent in her match against Marina Shafir, with the match being very awkward. This was initially blamed on Shafir’s inexperience, but it does appear that Rosa sandbags her on a simple suplex attempt that Shafir eventually got on the second try. Other women in the locker room have come to Shafir’s defense and have blamed Rosa for the poor match, as well as doing this with others in recent weeks. Either way, Rosa has heat with the other AEW women. I saw the supposed sandbag as a mistimed maneuver on the first attempt by Shafir, and a rushed attempt on the second. Rosa may very well have heat with others; she isn't so experienced, either... and could use a little seasoning to be the one who can call the match and slow it down. I don't know what other female stars are siding against her, but Rosa has a marketability right now that could be better capitalized on. Between Rosa and Jade's title runs, I'd like to see the contenders improve their work, because the champs don't have enough credible challengers. Britt Baker has a star quality, but could she and her crew work well with Jade and her Baddies, for example? Mercedes Martinez, Ruby Soho, Serena Deeb, Kris Statlander and apparently Toni Storm are the next echelon of contenders, in my view, to look at. I'll check in about 3 months to see if any of this pseudo-drama germinates into something. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 16th, 2022 07:45 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2931st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Matt Hughes was my favorite UFC fighter back in the day. It was shocking to see him in whatever state he’s in now on tonight’s Dynamite. I don’t know if he has Parkinson’s or what. He was shaking, could barely walk, stumbled into the ring, and I’m not convinced he knew where he was. Thank God they didn’t have him try anything physical. That was sad. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 16th, 2022 10:22 am PM Quote Reply 2932nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: An excellent episode of Dynamite last night. So good that by the end I had forgotten all about the awful Wardlow handicap match until I read a review of the show online. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 16th, 2022 01:27 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2933rd Post BitterOldMan Joined: Thu Jun 30th, 2016 Location: Chicago, Illinois USA Posts: 1134 Status: Offline Mana: Does anyone have a working link to the Thunder Rosa vs Ivelisse match from Sept. 2021? Based upon what I saw in the match with Marina Shafir, I'd say Thunder Rosa needs an old-timey in ring attitude adjustment. I wonder if locker room policemen (or policewomen) exist in this day and age? I don't mean wrestler's court I mean someone who the booker could use to strecth someone who got out of line. Maybe Dump Matsumoto could be waiting behind the forbidden door? ____________________ Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative. - John Stuart Mill Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 16th, 2022 01:50 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2934th Post BitterOldMan Joined: Thu Jun 30th, 2016 Location: Chicago, Illinois USA Posts: 1134 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: An excellent episode of Dynamite last night. So good that by the end I had forgotten all about the awful Wardlow handicap match until I read a review of the show online. Wardlow was sloppy with several of those powerbombs; someone with gravitas backstage needs to pull him aside for a talking to. I don't think it was intentional but people could have been injured. ____________________ Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative. - John Stuart Mill Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 16th, 2022 07:53 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2935th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: So although this isn't confirmed, it seems 99% certain that the original plan was for the Hardys to win the AEW Tag titles with Christian turning on Jurassic Express and helping his old foes win. With the Hardys out of the equation, the Young Bucks beat Jurassic Express for the titles and after the match Christian feigned concern for Jungle Boy before turning on him with the Killswitch Engage. It remains to be seen what they do with Christian now, but they went ahead with the heel turn. My fantasy booking idea before even watching the show was to keep t a 3-way, acknowledge Jeff's suspension (I don't think they ever mentioned him) and have Matt look for a new partner. He would shockingly ask Christian and Christian would accept under the guise of trying to challenge the Jurassic Express to step up their game and prove that they are the best best tag team in the world by beating one half of two of the best ladder match teams ever. It's hard to have a heel turn in a ladder match, but they could've set it up that after knocking out the Bucks, Christian does something dastardly at the end to take out the Express and help Matt climb the ladder and win, and if that isn't obvious enough then lay the Express out afterwards with a con-chair-to. This would've given us Matt and Christian having one last run as AEW Tag champs and Jurassic Express could've eventually beaten them to get the belts back. Obviously I don't know where they're going with this, but as of now it's unclear what Christian and Matt do without Jeff, and Matt wasn't even an afterthought last night, so I like my idea better, but we'll see what happens. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 16th, 2022 08:08 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2936th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: Post-show footage with the cameras still rolling as Christian confronts the Perry family at ringside: <A HREF="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPDBqnDZ8gg" TARGET="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPDBqnDZ8ggA> Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 16th, 2022 09:47 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2937th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/448.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu448')">BitterOldMana> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: An excellent episode of Dynamite last night. So good that by the end I had forgotten all about the awful Wardlow handicap match until I read a review of the show online. Wardlow was sloppy with several of those powerbombs; someone with gravitas backstage needs to pull him aside for a talking to. I don't think it was intentional but people could have been injured. To be fair if you have him in with 20 different people it's sort of asking for trouble as far as messing something up goes. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 16th, 2022 09:54 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2938th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Some very good matches again last night, in between plenty of the usual nonsense. That's the first time I've really watched an Ospreay match and it was great. Really liked Britt v Storm. And I liked Miro v Page too. The 20 man thing was really dumb but I doubt anyone was expecting anything any better. And, yeah, I don't dollow MMA but I know the name Matt Hughes as a former top guy. Looks brain damaged now. I'm assuming him and Woodley(?) are a big deal with this crowd so it was ok seeing them raise Wardlow's hands. But Hughes looks in awful shape. And I'm disappointed to see Sammy and Tay involved with Jericho. I don't see it helping them and they do have potential as the most hateable pair on the whole roster. The ladder match isn't my thing but it was good for what it was. Glad they did the turn and I'm really hoping this can be the thing that brings Perry up a few notches because he's sort of got it every way except talking. And now he's going to have to talk. Last edited on Thu Jun 16th, 2022 09:58 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jun 18th, 2022 05:46 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2939th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Is it just me or is Moxley exceptionally small since coming out of rehab? I can’t imagine he weighs 180 at this point. Tabahashi was twice as thick as him and somehow Dante Martin is about the same size. I don’t remember Moxley ever looking this tiny in WWE. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jun 18th, 2022 10:09 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2940th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: He lost a lot of weight since rehab. I kinda think it suits him. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2022 12:48 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2941st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: ROH star Silas Young will make his AEW debut tonight to face Adam Page. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2022 02:52 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2942nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Fordidden Door has been a cursed PPV. Now Daniel Bryan says he’s not medically cleared and he’ll name a replacement opponent for Zach Sabre, Jr. that really sucks. Dream matches are dropping like flies. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2022 04:06 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2943rd Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Fordidden Door has been a cursed PPV. Now Daniel Bryan says he’s not medically cleared and he’ll name a replacement opponent for Zach Sabre, Jr. that really sucks. Dream matches are dropping like flies. They are talking that his replacement might just be Swiss. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2022 04:09 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2944th Post cheapseats Joined: Thu Jul 8th, 2010 Location: Eastern Panhandle , West Virginia USA Posts: 1249 Status: Offline Mana: So what is the deal with Okada, White, Page, and Cole? Is this a 4 way or a tag team match? Or is anything happening at all? Just a disorganized mess. I will watch the PPV but my hopes are not exactly high at this point. ____________________ Never said that I could 100 % substantiate it. And convincing you 100 % is not a concern of mine. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2022 04:36 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2945th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/292.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu292')">cheapseatsa> wrote: So what is the deal with Okada, White, Page, and Cole? Is this a 4 way or a tag team match? Or is anything happening at all? Just a disorganized mess. I will watch the PPV but my hopes are not exactly high at this point. It’s a 4-way for the IWGP title. I assume maybe they didn’t want Page doing the job so they added more people. I agree the build to this PPV has been awful, even aside from the injuries. They can easily make up for it by just having great matches though. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2022 04:43 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2946th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/292.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu292')">cheapseatsa> wrote: So what is the deal with Okada, White, Page, and Cole? Is this a 4 way or a tag team match? Or is anything happening at all? Just a disorganized mess. I will watch the PPV but my hopes are not exactly high at this point. It’s a 4-way for the IWGP title. I assume maybe they didn’t want Page doing the job so they added more people. I agree the build to this PPV has been awful, even aside from the injuries. They can easily make up for it by just having great matches though. If Page isn't going to win the IWGP title, he almost shouldn't be wrestling for it right now. He just lost the AEW World Title to Punk, he doesn't really need another high profile loss right now. But if he comes out of the match stronger than when he went in, I get it. However I'm not convinced that Jay White can be the man to further elevate Page by beating him. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2022 06:13 pm PM Quote Reply 2947th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I think they should have kept this PPV separate from Dynamite completely. The live show sold out instantly with a $1M+ gate. Just advertise the matches and sell the PPV to the hardcore fans. At least they have a big show lined up for after the PPV, because the New Japan guys suddenly disappearing will make as little sense as them suddenly appearing. Despite all that, Dynamite is still a great wrestling show, and I think Forbidden Door will be a great wrestling show. I'm not going to cry for the mythical casual fan. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2022 06:43 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2948th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I think they should have kept this PPV separate from Dynamite completely. The live show sold out instantly with a $1M+ gate. Just advertise the matches and sell the PPV to the hardcore fans. At least they have a big show lined up for after the PPV, because the New Japan guys suddenly disappearing will make as little sense as them suddenly appearing. Despite all that, Dynamite is still a great wrestling show, and I think Forbidden Door will be a great wrestling show. I'm not going to cry for the mythical casual fan. I agree it should’ve been kept separate from Dynamite and just sold as a series of Dream matches with no build necessary. Some of the build for Moxley vs. Tanahashi was done on Strong, which was fine. Everything AEW attempted either got wrecked by injury or never made sense in the first place. Impact books integration with NJPW a million times better. In fact, they got Jay White over as a regular part of the show at the same time he’s been flailing around directionless on Dynamite. Maybe they should’ve let Impact help them promote this PPV. Bullet Club is a real part of that company and in AEW they just show up for no reason and will disappear for no reason. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2022 11:23 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2949th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Fordidden Door has been a cursed PPV. Now Daniel Bryan says he’s not medically cleared and he’ll name a replacement opponent for Zach Sabre, Jr. that really sucks. Dream matches are dropping like flies. They are talking that his replacement might just be Swiss. That's who I thought of straight away. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2022 11:28 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2950th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I think they should have kept this PPV separate from Dynamite completely. The live show sold out instantly with a $1M+ gate. Just advertise the matches and sell the PPV to the hardcore fans. At least they have a big show lined up for after the PPV, because the New Japan guys suddenly disappearing will make as little sense as them suddenly appearing. Despite all that, Dynamite is still a great wrestling show, and I think Forbidden Door will be a great wrestling show. I'm not going to cry for the mythical casual fan. I agree, if they just had the PPV for the hardcore and not have it takeover Dynamite I don't think it would make much difference to the PPV. But it might make a difference to dynamite, I saw something in twitter that thet lost a lot of viewers over the past couple of shows. Of course, there are other factors including Punk, MJF and Danielson being missing. I have hated the last couple of Dynamite shows. Not because of the matches, there's been plenty of good stuff. But I've hated nearly everything else. I don't think I'll watch the PPV even though there will likely be some great matches. But I really agree that they should have kept the PPV separate. And I think I'd be more interested in it then. Last edited on Thu Jun 23rd, 2022 11:30 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2022 11:46 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2951st Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: A few other thoughts on last night... Never saw Silas Young before and I thought he looked good. I know Okada is a huge deal (it was he and Omega who had the 15star matches or whatever rating they were). Not sure why he is mixed up in a four-way match now and only is in the mix a few days before hand. Surely a singles match with a build would have meant more. Marina Schafir is one of the most awkward looking wrestlers I've seen in a long time. And that match was better than the other two of hers that I saw. I loved Christian's promo until Luchasaur came out. Pity about Danielson. Do we know what's wrong? Is it from the time he got his leg stuck? Or was that a work? Any way it's a huge shame, he's the best wrestler in AEW in my opinion and he was the weekly highlight of the show for a long time. And last night he did a better job promoting FOrbidden Door than a few hours of TV for the last month or so. A great guy. All time great. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 24th, 2022 12:11 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2952nd Post hammettime Joined: Mon Mar 8th, 2010 Location: Posts: 568 Status: Offline Mana: Anyone else think tanahashi looked off last night? Just not nearly as crisp and good as normal. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 24th, 2022 01:09 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2953rd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Yes, he looked a bit off,i thought so too. Not that bad but a few bits where things looked slightly flubbed. I know he is a huge deal, and I can't compare him to any previous work he's done but he didn't look great in his movements. The best of the Japanese guys I think I've see has been Takeshita. He looks great all round. Last edited on Fri Jun 24th, 2022 01:26 am by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 24th, 2022 03:06 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2954th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Another injury just announced as now L.A. dojo student Clark Connors will replace Tomohiro Ishii at Forbidden Door. That’s not exactly a suitable replacement, but I guess they couldn’t fly anyone into America on 2 days notice. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 24th, 2022 05:09 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2955th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Fordidden Door has been a cursed PPV. Now Daniel Bryan says he’s not medically cleared and he’ll name a replacement opponent for Zach Sabre, Jr. that really sucks. Dream matches are dropping like flies. They are talking that his replacement might just be Swiss. I’ve heard Johnny Gargano. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 24th, 2022 05:11 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2956th Post beejmi THE BIG KAHUNA Joined: Sat Oct 13th, 2007 Location: Philly Posts: 52271 Status: Offline Mana: I thought Silas Young looked good last night also This 'Forbidden Door' show I have a feeling is going to bomb. I'm a 'new' (casual) AEW fan and I can't tell you 'what I'm looking forward to' Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 24th, 2022 06:39 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2957th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1')">beejmia> wrote: I thought Silas Young looked good last night also This 'Forbidden Door' show I have a feeling is going to bomb. I'm a 'new' (casual) AEW fan and I can't tell you 'what I'm looking forward to' Oh yeah it won’t do much of anything as far as numbers go on PPV. Most anyone in the US who is interested is already going to Chicago to see the show live. I’m sure it’ll be a great show full of great matches, but AEW has shit that bed promoting this show. ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 24th, 2022 07:53 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2958th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: And shit on their own show in the process with the most scattershot booking I think I've ever seen over the past 3-4 weeks. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 24th, 2022 07:55 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2959th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Another injury just announced as now L.A. dojo student Clark Connors will replace Tomohiro Ishii at Forbidden Door. That’s not exactly a suitable replacement, but I guess they couldn’t fly anyone into America on 2 days notice. Jesus, they are really getting bad luck with the injuries. Still I doubt it will have any effect on how many people will buy the thing. I'm sure this match is of less interest now though. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 24th, 2022 09:20 am PM Quote Reply 2960th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Another injury just announced as now L.A. dojo student Clark Connors will replace Tomohiro Ishii at Forbidden Door. That’s not exactly a suitable replacement, but I guess they couldn’t fly anyone into America on 2 days notice. Jesus, they are really getting bad luck with the injuries. Still I doubt it will have any effect on how many people will buy the thing. I'm sure this match is of less interest now though. They should move Suzuki into this match and put someone else in the trios match. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 24th, 2022 02:55 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2961st Post hammettime Joined: Mon Mar 8th, 2010 Location: Posts: 568 Status: Offline Mana: Regarding Bryan’s replacement, Cesaro or gargano would be cool, but if Yuta is not in the blood and guts match yet, I say him. He’s been HC with his moxley match, he’s the pure champ, and not being gargano or Cesaro would play into “heel entrance Bryan.” Last edited on Fri Jun 24th, 2022 02:56 pm by hammettime Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 24th, 2022 03:10 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2962nd Post beejmi THE BIG KAHUNA Joined: Sat Oct 13th, 2007 Location: Philly Posts: 52271 Status: Offline Mana: I probably missed this. I miss more than half of the shows though. Ok these guys from New Japan are here because And the day after the show this means ?? What exactly is 'on the line'? Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 24th, 2022 03:16 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2963rd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: 'Tony Khan' is the short answer to the above. There's nothing on the line. It's a supercard. If it was just booked as that I'd watch it. Instead they've spent a month coming up with contrived 'rivalries' involving dozens of Japanese wrestlers that I genuinely couldn't give a fuck about. And on top of that their own top stars are all out action for one reason or another. The show will presumably mean next to nothing the day after,though they tend to bring in Japanese guys on and off so that will probably continue and there might be one or two issues still to settle after the PPV. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jun 24th, 2022 04:02 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2964th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Last night after Impact, NJPW on AXS aired the Tanahashi vs. Goto and Okada vs. White matches from Dominion that set up Forbidden Door. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jun 25th, 2022 11:29 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2965th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: God dammit, now Hiromu Takahashi is off Forbidden Door. He hadn’t traveled yet to the States and now they won’t allow him on the plane because he has a fever (but not Covid). The 8-man match will be changed to a 6-man. And Hiromu is my favorite NJPW talent right now. Cursed show. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Jun 26th, 2022 11:08 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2966th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: He should have gotten vaccinated. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Jun 29th, 2022 10:29 am PM Quote Reply 2967th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: Alan "Five" Angels is leaving AEW, contract not being renewed. The Dark Order is running out of members. -1 needs to get to work recruiting. Interesting match on Dark last night - Ariya Daivari (music entrance) vs Caleb Konley (already in the ring). Daivari is currently on a trial with WWE as a producer, but this match was okayed with WWE. Vince would absolutely fire someone for this. Daivari was on Raw on May 30, breaking up a brawl. Kaleb with a K from Impact is back to being Caleb with a C. Both guys have had a previous appearance with AEW. The match was pretty boring and not interesting at all. This was like an NXT match where both guys look like they are playing at being wrestlers. Compare with the believability of artists like Eddie Kingston and Minoru Suzuki. Wheeler Yuta vs Tony Nese for the ROH Pure Title in the main event was a good match. I hate the pure rules, though. Fewer rules make better matches, not more rules. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Jun 29th, 2022 12:17 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2968th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Alan "Five" Angels is leaving AEW, contract not being renewed. The Dark Order is running out of members. -1 needs to get to work recruiting. Good, they are getting closer to my optimal number of Dark Order members Last edited on Wed Jun 29th, 2022 12:19 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Jun 29th, 2022 03:14 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2969th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: Alan "Five" Angels is leaving AEW, contract not being renewed. The Dark Order is running out of members. -1 needs to get to work recruiting. Interesting match on Dark last night - Ariya Daivari (music entrance) vs Caleb Konley (already in the ring). Daivari is currently on a trial with WWE as a producer, but this match was okayed with WWE. Vince would absolutely fire someone for this. Daivari was on Raw on May 30, breaking up a brawl. Kaleb with a K from Impact is back to being Caleb with a C. Both guys have had a previous appearance with AEW. The match was pretty boring and not interesting at all. This was like an NXT match where both guys look like they are playing at being wrestlers. Compare with the believability of artists like Eddie Kingston and Minoru Suzuki. Wheeler Yuta vs Tony Nese for the ROH Pure Title in the main event was a good match. I hate the pure rules, though. Fewer rules make better matches, not more rules. Considering AEW just gave them Jericho, Bryan, and Wight, I’d say AEW is still owed a lot more than Daivari. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 30th, 2022 10:04 am PM Quote Reply 2970th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: If there was any doubt over whether AEW care about the mythical casual fan, then that was put to bed last night. That was a hardcore match for hardcore fans. It was a very good match for what it was, but not my cup of tea. Very good to have one team all in red, since it made the action much easier to follow. I think the show as a whole nicely continued the current feuds and I'm stoked that Kingston is in another singles feud now so we can get some more epic promos. I don't think they did nearly enough to showcase the huge crowd, not for the first time. Hiding them all behind the huge cage made that even worse. The deep roster with a lot of main event talent is certainly paying off now with all the injuries and absences. This didn't seem like a lesser show compared to a SmackDown without Roman Reigns. There is one positive to all these injuries. Back in the day, and do this day in WWE, people would work hurt and pop pills and keep on going until they were completely broken. Worried that they would lose their spot or Vince would get angry, gods forbid someone asked for paternity leave. Vince wouldn't even let RVD go to Sheik's funeral. Say what you want about Cody's recent performance, now that the dust has settled, I think it's pretty clear that it wasn't worth it. No one on AEW has to do that one last match or big injury angle to write them off TV. So, my middle finger to anyone who complained that the AEW roster was too big. A big thumbs up to my friend, my hero, my benefactor, Tony Khan. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 30th, 2022 03:47 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2971st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: If there was any doubt over whether AEW care about the mythical casual fan, then that was put to bed last night. That was a hardcore match for hardcore fans. It was a very good match for what it was, but not my cup of tea. Very good to have one team all in red, since it made the action much easier to follow. I think the show as a whole nicely continued the current feuds and I'm stoked that Kingston is in another singles feud now so we can get some more epic promos. I don't think they did nearly enough to showcase the huge crowd, not for the first time. Hiding them all behind the huge cage made that even worse. The deep roster with a lot of main event talent is certainly paying off now with all the injuries and absences. This didn't seem like a lesser show compared to a SmackDown without Roman Reigns. There is one positive to all these injuries. Back in the day, and do this day in WWE, people would work hurt and pop pills and keep on going until they were completely broken. Worried that they would lose their spot or Vince would get angry, gods forbid someone asked for paternity leave. Vince wouldn't even let RVD go to Sheik's funeral. Say what you want about Cody's recent performance, now that the dust has settled, I think it's pretty clear that it wasn't worth it. No one on AEW has to do that one last match or big injury angle to write them off TV. So, my middle finger to anyone who complained that the AEW roster was too big. A big thumbs up to my friend, my hero, my benefactor, Tony Khan. There's a few things they need to have figured out after all this time doing live TV. First and foremost is not to waste big spots during commercial breaks. They did a piledriver on broken glass last night during picture-in-picture. Really? This is the drawback to letting the wrestlers plan their own matches without agents. You still need to make good TV and figure out when the breaks are and slow it down. In WWE, they have it timed to the second and basically go into chinlock mode during commercials. The AEW guys don't seem to know when they're on air or not and where the cameras on. That leads to boring, formulaic matches. But there's easily a happy medium here. Not everything needs to be scripted that closely with a predictable dive to the floor before every break, but the guys need to be told when they're not on air anymore and they need to be smart enough to pull it back for 2 minutes. It should not take much to straighten that out, but they aren't trying. Also, if you can't make a strike look good, stop doing it, and for the love of God stop zooming in on it with the cameras. Last night Moxley was trying hammer and anvil strikes that couldn't break an egg and the camera panned in, left, and then inexplicably came back. How does the director allow that after the first close-up revealed 8 inches of space? And why is Moxley doing this move so softly in a supposedly ultra-violent match? Bryan does it routinely and makes it look brutal without ever hurting anyone. If someone else can't do that, ask him for help and don't try it again until you know how to do it. These are the things that Cornette can't get past and it can take a fan out of the match. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 30th, 2022 04:05 pm PM Quote Reply 2972nd Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: I don't know how much this factors in, but the FITE streams of Dynamita and Rampage, which are what I almost always watch, don't go to picture in picture. The commentary continues, but you can tell they know they aren't "on air". I think the point is to make it more believable the something might happen during a break. If it's just a rest hold, what's the point? Might as well show the adverts full screen. Remember when they finished an Oramge Cassidy match during the break? It's a deliberate effort to stop people changing the channel. I get where you are coming from, srossi, but I know why they do it. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 30th, 2022 04:14 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2973rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: I don't know how much this factors in, but the FITE streams of Dynamita and Rampage, which are what I almost always watch, don't go to picture in picture. The commentary continues, but you can tell they know they aren't "on air". I think the point is to make it more believable the something might happen during a break. If it's just a rest hold, what's the point? Might as well show the adverts full screen. Remember when they finished an Oramge Cassidy match during the break? It's a deliberate effort to stop people changing the channel. I get where you are coming from, srossi, but I know why they do it. If that's really the reason, it's dumber than I thought. It's not 1998 anymore. People aren't changing the channel. Few people watch it live anyway. I watch on a delay and can catch up to real-time quickly enough, although that's less of an issue with AEW than with WWE where you can fast forward through almost the whole show. But you either want to watch or you don't, and everyone watching AEW wants to watch, as evidenced by all this talk of only catering to the hardcore fans. Worrying about people changing the channel in the middle of your main event is dumb. Good TV production is a lot more important. And slowing down and avoiding big spots doesn't detract from the viewers watching on Fite anyway, not that they should be the priority over TV, which is where AEW's bread is buttered. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jun 30th, 2022 11:13 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2974th Post kargol Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Brum, United Kingdom Posts: 5565 Status: Offline Mana: They can always "fake live" it anyway. Go back to the action post-commercial break with, say, a 5 second gap, show it "as live", have the finish, and go back to the commentators who say "well, that match finished in the break so we showed you it as live, and we can move right to the next match as the ring has been cleared" vel sim. ____________________ superfunkymean Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jul 1st, 2022 02:47 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2975th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Kenny Omega has experienced some rehab setbacks and is now teasing retirement: “If I get another major setback, that’s it. That’s it, I’m done, I can’t do this ever again. Two times, three times a day, really painful rehab, not even knowing what it’s going to be like when I get back in the ring. I have no clue. It’s scary, actually. You see people, they come back to the ring and you’re just happy to see them back. There is a different kind of expectation put on me, and I think that anything less than what they are expecting, which is already unrealistic, is going to lead to a lot of ridicule, which is what I get every day anyway.” ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jul 1st, 2022 01:26 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2976th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Pretty amazing he was able to do what he was doing while obviously in serious trouble with cumulative injuries. I'm not his biggest fans but he was a decent champion, hope he can come back. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jul 1st, 2022 01:37 pm PM Quote Reply 2977th Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Pretty amazing he was able to do what he was doing while obviously in serious trouble with cumulative injuries. I'm not his biggest fans but he was a decent champion, hope he can come back. One thing to remember is that Kenny Omega is always working. He's (trying, at least) to tell one epic story throughout his career. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jul 1st, 2022 02:45 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2978th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: That thought crossed my mind. The way it was written reads like it could be a work or part work. All the same, it's clear he was hurt and still was able to perform at his best which is incredible, even to people who may not like his style. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jul 1st, 2022 03:11 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2979th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/124.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu124')">Krissa> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/1344.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu1344')">Jim_Irisha> wrote: Pretty amazing he was able to do what he was doing while obviously in serious trouble with cumulative injuries. I'm not his biggest fans but he was a decent champion, hope he can come back. One thing to remember is that Kenny Omega is always working. He's (trying, at least) to tell one epic story throughout his career. But it seems obvious that he was supposed to come back back shortly after Don Callis’ promo, and he never did. So there was definitely a serious setback of some sort. No way AEW expected him to be gone this long. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jul 1st, 2022 04:25 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2980th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Blood and Guts drew more than 1.2 million viewers, and that’s a very good number for them. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jul 1st, 2022 05:07 pm PM Quote Reply 2981st Post Kriss Citizen of nowhere Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 11223 Status: Online Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Blood and Guts drew more than 1.2 million viewers, and that’s a very good number for them. Consistently, it's in-ring action that draws and keeps viewers in AEW. In WWE, people stick with promos and entrances, but they lose viewers during matches. This goes back the Monday Night War. Two completely different audiences. ____________________ “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain Back To Top Edit Edit Source PM Quote Reply Posted: Fri Jul 1st, 2022 05:08 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2982nd Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: Blood and Guts drew more than 1.2 million viewers, and that’s a very good number for them. That's huge for them. I guess partly because of the gimmick match and partly because people knew it wouldn't be a New Japan crossover show. I was sure Kenny would be back in some form for the Forbidden Door. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jul 2nd, 2022 12:39 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2983rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Meltzer reporting that Claudio Castagnoli was offered a pretty nice deal by WWE to extend/return in the last month, but he accepted significantly less money to move on to AEW. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jul 2nd, 2022 02:41 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2984th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: Just watching Dynamite now. Christian is the MVP of the show so far. Blood and Guts starting now. One team all in red, a stupid thing to get wrong in a match where I presume half the guys are going to bleed. The shown up till now has been decent. Last edited on Sat Jul 2nd, 2022 02:41 pm by Jim_Irish Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sat Jul 2nd, 2022 03:38 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2985th Post Jim_Irish Joined: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 Location: Posts: 2197 Status: Offline Mana: I enjoyed that more than I thought I would. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Jul 3rd, 2022 01:51 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2986th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: I think there's some potential with The Acclaimed and The Gunn Club to revisit the old Dynamic Dudes and Midnight Express angle where Jim Cornette split his loyalties for a while until the breaking point where he returned to his cash cow team. There's value in a feud down the road and there are tales of Billy teaching his kids a lesson outside the ring in a comedic way; it can be magnified for the viewing audience. Anthony Bowens just came back from injury so there's equity on both sides of the equation again, so Billy can tip the scales in either direction. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Jul 3rd, 2022 02:07 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2987th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: I think there's some potential with The Acclaimed and The Gunn Club to revisit the old Dynamic Dudes and Midnight Express angle where Jim Cornette split his loyalties for a while until the breaking point where he returned to his cash cow team. There's value in a feud down the road and there are tales of Billy teaching his kids a lesson outside the ring in a comedic way; it can be magnified for the viewing audience. Anthony Bowens just came back from injury so there's equity on both sides of the equation again, so Billy can tip the scales in either direction. Anyone who says there’s no opportunities in AEW because of all the ex-WWE guys… here’s 4 complete unknown who not only get TV time but got themselves more over as an undercard act than all but 3 or 4 of the top guys in WWE. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Jul 3rd, 2022 02:12 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2988th Post Franchise Low key big hog Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 Location: Ohio , USA Posts: 6045 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: I think there's some potential with The Acclaimed and The Gunn Club to revisit the old Dynamic Dudes and Midnight Express angle where Jim Cornette split his loyalties for a while until the breaking point where he returned to his cash cow team. There's value in a feud down the road and there are tales of Billy teaching his kids a lesson outside the ring in a comedic way; it can be magnified for the viewing audience. Anthony Bowens just came back from injury so there's equity on both sides of the equation again, so Billy can tip the scales in either direction. Anyone who says there’s no opportunities in AEW because of all the ex-WWE guys… here’s 4 complete unknown who not only get TV time but got themselves more over as an undercard act than all but 3 or 4 of the top guys in WWE. I walked in the room the other night and my son yelled “scissor me daddy!!!” I said “no” and left. ____________________ Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Sun Jul 3rd, 2022 02:17 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2989th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/22.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu22')">Franchisea> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: I think there's some potential with The Acclaimed and The Gunn Club to revisit the old Dynamic Dudes and Midnight Express angle where Jim Cornette split his loyalties for a while until the breaking point where he returned to his cash cow team. There's value in a feud down the road and there are tales of Billy teaching his kids a lesson outside the ring in a comedic way; it can be magnified for the viewing audience. Anthony Bowens just came back from injury so there's equity on both sides of the equation again, so Billy can tip the scales in either direction. Anyone who says there’s no opportunities in AEW because of all the ex-WWE guys… here’s 4 complete unknown who not only get TV time but got themselves more over as an undercard act than all but 3 or 4 of the top guys in WWE. I walked in the room the other night and my son yelled “scissor me daddy!!!” I said “no” and left. Somehow they got scissoring more over than Vivid Video. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Mon Jul 4th, 2022 04:03 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2990th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Tetauya Naito has written in Japanese that he’s “genuinely upset” that he was not invited to compete at Forbidden Door and he refuses to watch the event. I’m not sure if that’s building to something or if he’s really venting. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Wed Jul 6th, 2022 07:55 pm Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2991st Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: The first AEW video game is set to be released shortly. A couple of minor surprises is that Owen Hart will be a playable character, per their deal with Martha Hart, and Cody Rhodes is also going to remain in the game. Kenny Omega has been the point person between AEW and Yuke's (who used to do the WWE games) and that's been his prmary responsibility while he's been out injured. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jul 7th, 2022 02:44 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2992nd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: Christian Cage “shooting” hard at Jeff Hardy during this segment with Matt Hardy. This will not age well if the worst happens with Jeff within the next few weeks, which no one would be surprised by. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jul 7th, 2022 02:54 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2993rd Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: The Butcher & The Blade vs. Swerve and Keith Lee is going to provide Cornette botch material for the next 6 months. These guys look like they belong on NXT 2.0 tonight. WTF? 3 of the 4 are usually pretty damn good. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jul 7th, 2022 03:08 am Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 2994th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: I think there's some potential with The Acclaimed and The Gunn Club to revisit the old Dynamic Dudes and Midnight Express angle where Jim Cornette split his loyalties for a while until the breaking point where he returned to his cash cow team. There's value in a feud down the road and there are tales of Billy teaching his kids a lesson outside the ring in a comedic way; it can be magnified for the viewing audience. Anthony Bowens just came back from injury so there's equity on both sides of the equation again, so Billy can tip the scales in either direction. Anyone who says there’s no opportunities in AEW because of all the ex-WWE guys… here’s 4 complete unknown who not only get TV time but got themselves more over as an undercard act than all but 3 or 4 of the top guys in WWE. To be perfectly honest, I am pretty much stunned with how much the Gunn Club has improved over the past two years. If this were '80s NWA, they would be fucking shit up every week on somebody's TV show. Also - Billy Gunn can still go better than a LOT of the younger guys, which surprises me because I felt he was worse than finished a couple years ago. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017 Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jul 7th, 2022 03:55 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2995th Post One Fan Gang Joined: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 Location: Posts: 16317 Status: Offline Mana: ThunderStorm (Thunder Rosa & Toni Storm) vs. Nyla Rose & Marina Shafir was the Bill Watts philosophy of encouraging talent who has issues to duke it out. Nyla made the best of it for her team but Shafir is a liability in there. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jul 7th, 2022 04:13 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2996th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: They tried to revive the Dark Order in Brodie Lee’s hometown, but it seems dead in the water to me. Colt Cabana was not there, but reports are that after Tony Khan told Cabana he would not be renewed, many AEW stars went to bat for him and Khan changed his mind and re-signed him. However this may only be as a producer and not as a talent. It also comes at precisely the same time that CM Punk went home, and Punk and Cabana reportedly still have an ice cold relationship where they can’t run into each other backstage (I’m sure that’s entirely on Punk’s part). So it will be interesting to see how Punk reacts to this. But Khan needs to take control and be more assertive, regardless of what his decision is. He can’t be swayed by talent advocating for a popular guy backstage. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jul 7th, 2022 04:25 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2997th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: I think there's some potential with The Acclaimed and The Gunn Club to revisit the old Dynamic Dudes and Midnight Express angle where Jim Cornette split his loyalties for a while until the breaking point where he returned to his cash cow team. There's value in a feud down the road and there are tales of Billy teaching his kids a lesson outside the ring in a comedic way; it can be magnified for the viewing audience. Anthony Bowens just came back from injury so there's equity on both sides of the equation again, so Billy can tip the scales in either direction. Anyone who says there’s no opportunities in AEW because of all the ex-WWE guys… here’s 4 complete unknown who not only get TV time but got themselves more over as an undercard act than all but 3 or 4 of the top guys in WWE. To be perfectly honest, I am pretty much stunned with how much the Gunn Club has improved over the past two years. If this were '80s NWA, they would be fucking shit up every week on somebody's TV show. Also - Billy Gunn can still go better than a LOT of the younger guys, which surprises me because I felt he was worse than finished a couple years ago. They broke them up way too soon. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jul 7th, 2022 04:42 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2998th Post srossi Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007 Location: New York USA Posts: 62723 Status: Offline Mana: FTR challenged the Briscoes to a rematch for the ROH Tag titles at Death Before Dishonor. It will be interesting to see if they promote this on Impact too. Up until this challenge, DBD was looking like an episode of Rampage. I’m still unclear what the point of a TK-owned ROH is. ____________________ This thread was great before AA ruined it. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jul 7th, 2022 07:50 am Add as Friend Ignore Member PM Quote Reply 2999th Post cookie32723 Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3704 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/152.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu152')">Superstara> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/16.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu16')">srossia> wrote: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: I think there's some potential with The Acclaimed and The Gunn Club to revisit the old Dynamic Dudes and Midnight Express angle where Jim Cornette split his loyalties for a while until the breaking point where he returned to his cash cow team. There's value in a feud down the road and there are tales of Billy teaching his kids a lesson outside the ring in a comedic way; it can be magnified for the viewing audience. Anthony Bowens just came back from injury so there's equity on both sides of the equation again, so Billy can tip the scales in either direction. Anyone who says there’s no opportunities in AEW because of all the ex-WWE guys… here’s 4 complete unknown who not only get TV time but got themselves more over as an undercard act than all but 3 or 4 of the top guys in WWE. To be perfectly honest, I am pretty much stunned with how much the Gunn Club has improved over the past two years. If this were '80s NWA, they would be fucking shit up every week on somebody's TV show. Also - Billy Gunn can still go better than a LOT of the younger guys, which surprises me because I felt he was worse than finished a couple years ago. They broke them up way too soon. WAY too soon indeed. All five were great together and the crowds were real hot for them every week. I can’t believe we’ll never get to hear scissor me Daddy Ass again… ____________________ If data, science, and logic offends someone, then they probably need to be offended. Back To Top PM Quote Reply Posted: Thu Jul 7th, 2022 05:36 pm Already A Friend PM Quote Reply 3000th Post Superstar '18-'19 POTY, 1st Ballot HOFer Joined: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 Location: Dickshooter, Idaho USA Posts: 8893 Status: Offline Mana: <a style="color:#0000FF" href="/users/237.html" onclick="show_menu(event, this, 'menu237')">One Fan Ganga> wrote: ThunderStorm (Thunder Rosa & Toni Storm) vs. Nyla Rose & Marina Shafir was the Bill Watts philosophy of encouraging talent who has issues to duke it out. Nyla made the best of it for her team but Shafir is a liability in there. Shafir is not a good wrestler, unfortunately, and she was part of the PC when they were actually trying to train the women properly. It just didn't work well with her. So, this is where Khan screwed up...she can't chain wrestle at all, and she wasn't an extremely successful MMA fighter the way Rousey was, but if you can teach the girl to throw a worked punch and make her holds look deadly without actually hurting her opponent, just give her the Judo gimmick that she was actually successful doing in real life. You can not ever take a talent and force them into a box just because you like how the box looks. If Shafir is given a gimmick that she should be able to run with but can't, just let her go. But at least accentuate her positives. Literally the only thing Vince Russo booked correctly was trying to find a person's strength and then overplaying it to the point where nobody saw the weaknesses on TV. ____________________ "Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"." -WongLee 7/22/2017
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